• MSNBC Legal Analyst Says First Amendment Makes America Vulnerable, Call

    From Here is the News@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 23:01:53 2024
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    https://dailystormer.in/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-america-vulnerable-calls-for-censorship/

    MSNBC Legal Analyst Says First Amendment Makes America Vulnerable, Calls for Censorship

    Andrew Anglin
    March 1, 2024

    There are all of these different explanations for censorship.

    When this first started, with me, in 2017, they said that saying mean things
    on the internet would cause people to kill themselves. Seriously, that was
    the argument. You can look it up.

    Then you got the "election meddling" and "Covid disinformation." We always
    hear about "hate speech," but frankly, that hasn't ever really been the main driver of censorship. It is all of these other weird things, which are much more vague and confusing. This is partially because if the rules were "just don't say nigger," you wouldn't really be able to censor all that much.

    The current explanations for censorship allow wide swaths of speech to be censored without specific explanation.

    New York Post: https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/

    MSNBC legal analyst Barbara McQuade argued Monday that the United States' "deep commitment to free speech" makes Americans uniquely susceptible to disinformation campaigns.

    McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor, went on "The Rachel
    Maddow Show" to promote her new book, "Attack from Within: How Disinformation is Sabotaging America." She said her "goal" with the book
    was to spark a "national conversation about truth and our commitment to
    it."

    "Actually, Rachel, I think we're more susceptible to it than other countries, and that's because some of our greatest strengths can also be
    our Achilles Heel," McQuade said. "So, for example, our deep commitment to free speech in our First Amendment. It is a cherished right. It's an important right in democracy, and nobody wants to get rid of it, but it makes us vulnerable to claims [that] anything we want to do related to speech is censorship."

    She argued, "Of course, the Supreme Court has held that all fundamental rights, even the right to free speech, can be limited as long as there is
    a compelling governmental interest and the restriction is narrowly
    tailored to achieve that interest. But I think any time someone tries to
    do anything that might limit free speech, people claim censorship."

    Haha.

    "I think any time someone slits someone's throat, people claim murder."

    All limits on speech are censorship. The only forms of speech that are
    legally banned are actionable and imminent threats, libel, and (apparently) "harassment." There are no limits on political speech, and there can't be without repealing the First Amendment.

    Of course, it doesn't matter, because the government can force internet companies to censor. Then, if people try to organize publicly, the
    government can send Antifa to attack you and then arrest you for having the shit beaten out of you by hired government thugs.

    No one cares about freedom of speech or thinks it's a "cherished right."
    That is just a lie. The Republicans, including the homosexual sadist Josh Hawley, have been calling for mass censorship to protect the interests of
    the Jews. There is bipartisan support for total information control, there
    is just some disagreement about which information to control.

    The United States has less freedom of speech than China or Russia. I can go
    on Weibo right now and say "the kikes are using niggers as a battering ram against the Aryan race," and it will never be deleted or hidden. Please
    note: China does not have a First Amendment, and does not claim that free speech is a fundamental Chinese value.

    If I went on Weibo and criticized the Chinese government, it might be
    deleted (if enough people saw it and someone complained about it). But
    that's all. I can talk about Jews, gays, women, Israel, the Ukraine,
    vaccines, election fraud, Hunter Biden - whatever.

    The United States is the most censorious country in the world, save their subsidiaries in Europe, and possibly North Korea.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Here is the News on Sat Mar 2 10:38:49 2024
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    Interesting. I think this is a testament to free speech in the US that
    this is actually being discussed.

    I think a thought experiment is to flip the question around. Let's say we
    (well "you" since I am not american) ban all free speech.

    Would society be better off or less vulnerable?

    All it would take would be 1 political victory for the opposition and
    dialogue and speech would only be allowed that supported that party.

    Well, I think it's nonsense, but I'm sure that many immature people who
    cannot stand hearing an opinion contrary to their own will agree in the
    hope that they would be on the "winning" side.



    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Here is the News wrote:

    https://dailystormer.in/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-america-vulnerable-calls-for-censorship/

    MSNBC Legal Analyst Says First Amendment Makes America Vulnerable, Calls for Censorship

    Andrew Anglin
    March 1, 2024

    There are all of these different explanations for censorship.

    When this first started, with me, in 2017, they said that saying mean things on the internet would cause people to kill themselves. Seriously, that was the argument. You can look it up.

    Then you got the "election meddling" and "Covid disinformation." We always hear about "hate speech," but frankly, that hasn't ever really been the main driver of censorship. It is all of these other weird things, which are much more vague and confusing. This is partially because if the rules were "just don't say nigger," you wouldn't really be able to censor all that much.

    The current explanations for censorship allow wide swaths of speech to be censored without specific explanation.

    New York Post: https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/

    MSNBC legal analyst Barbara McQuade argued Monday that the United States'
    "deep commitment to free speech" makes Americans uniquely susceptible to
    disinformation campaigns.

    McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor, went on "The Rachel
    Maddow Show" to promote her new book, "Attack from Within: How
    Disinformation is Sabotaging America." She said her "goal" with the book
    was to spark a "national conversation about truth and our commitment to
    it."

    "Actually, Rachel, I think we're more susceptible to it than other
    countries, and that's because some of our greatest strengths can also be
    our Achilles Heel," McQuade said. "So, for example, our deep commitment to >> free speech in our First Amendment. It is a cherished right. It's an
    important right in democracy, and nobody wants to get rid of it, but it
    makes us vulnerable to claims [that] anything we want to do related to
    speech is censorship."

    She argued, "Of course, the Supreme Court has held that all fundamental
    rights, even the right to free speech, can be limited as long as there is
    a compelling governmental interest and the restriction is narrowly
    tailored to achieve that interest. But I think any time someone tries to
    do anything that might limit free speech, people claim censorship."

    Haha.

    "I think any time someone slits someone's throat, people claim murder."

    All limits on speech are censorship. The only forms of speech that are legally banned are actionable and imminent threats, libel, and (apparently) "harassment." There are no limits on political speech, and there can't be without repealing the First Amendment.

    Of course, it doesn't matter, because the government can force internet companies to censor. Then, if people try to organize publicly, the
    government can send Antifa to attack you and then arrest you for having the shit beaten out of you by hired government thugs.

    No one cares about freedom of speech or thinks it's a "cherished right."
    That is just a lie. The Republicans, including the homosexual sadist Josh Hawley, have been calling for mass censorship to protect the interests of
    the Jews. There is bipartisan support for total information control, there
    is just some disagreement about which information to control.

    The United States has less freedom of speech than China or Russia. I can go on Weibo right now and say "the kikes are using niggers as a battering ram against the Aryan race," and it will never be deleted or hidden. Please
    note: China does not have a First Amendment, and does not claim that free speech is a fundamental Chinese value.

    If I went on Weibo and criticized the Chinese government, it might be
    deleted (if enough people saw it and someone complained about it). But
    that's all. I can talk about Jews, gays, women, Israel, the Ukraine, vaccines, election fraud, Hunter Biden - whatever.

    The United States is the most censorious country in the world, save their subsidiaries in Europe, and possibly North Korea.


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 2 05:23:26 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 10:38:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    "MSNBC legal analyst Barbara McQuade argued Monday that the United
    States' "deep commitment to free speech" makes Americans uniquely
    susceptible to disinformation campaigns."

    Let's say we ... ban all free speech.
    Would society be better off or less vulnerable?

    Barbara is selling her book: Attack from Within: How Disinformation is Sabotaging America.

    Political disinformation has been afoot for a very longtime in US.

    Disinformation - is false information deliberately spread to deceive
    people.

    Suckers and losers have been sucking up the Orange Clown's
    disinformation for years, for instance.

    Last updated: Jun 2, 2019 The first 5,276 false things Donald Trump
    said as U.S. president
    https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

    False or misleading statements by Donald Trump
    During and after his term as President of the United States, Donald
    Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

    To eradicate/reduce disinformation requires educating students, as
    done in Finland.

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