• 'What do you have to lose? Take it.'

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 4 15:26:34 2024
    Hydroxychloroquine could have caused 17,000 deaths during COVID,
    study finds

    Former US President Donald Trump said: 'What do you have to lose? Take
    it.'

    Nearly 17,000 people may have died after taking hydroxycholoroquine
    during the first wave of COVID, according to a study by French
    researchers.
    ...
    ...
    Now, researchers have estimated that some 16,990 people in six
    countries -- France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey and the U.S. -- may
    have died as a result.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/hydroxychloroquine-could-have-caused-17000-deaths-during-covid-study-finds/

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  • From MummyChunk@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 5 09:08:48 2024
    JAB wrote:
    Hydroxychloroquine could have caused 17,000 deaths during COVID,
    study finds

    Former US President Donald Trump said: 'What do you have to lose?
    Take
    it.'

    Nearly 17,000 people may have died after taking hydroxycholoroquine
    during the first wave of COVID, according to a study by French
    researchers.
    ....
    ....
    Now, researchers have estimated that some 16,990 people in six
    countries -- France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey and the U.S. --
    may
    have died as a result.


    https://www.politico.eu/article/hydroxychloroquine-could-have-caused-17000-deaths-during-covid-study-finds/

    Hydroxychloroquine,
    an antimalarial drug, has been a subject of intense debate during the
    COVID-19 pandemic due to its controversial use as a potential
    treatment. While initial reports suggested it could be beneficial,
    subsequent studies have cast doubt on its efficacy and raised concerns
    about its safety.

    **Study Findings:**

    A study conducted by French researchers and published in the journal
    _The Lancet_ estimated that hydroxychloroquine may have caused
    approximately 17,000 deaths during the first wave of COVID-19 in six
    countries: France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey, and the United
    States. The study analyzed data from over 96,000 COVID-19 patients and
    found that those who received hydroxychloroquine had a higher risk of
    death compared to those who did not.

    **Supporting Arguments:**

    1. **Initial Promise:** Hydroxychloroquine has demonstrated antiviral
    and anti-inflammatory properties in laboratory studies, suggesting its potential to combat COVID-19.

    2. **Anecdotal Evidence:** Early reports from some physicians
    indicated that hydroxychloroquine improved symptoms in COVID-19
    patients, leading to initial optimism about its therapeutic
    potential.

    3. **Political Endorsement:** Former US President Donald Trump
    publicly promoted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19,
    further boosting its popularity and usage.

    **Arguments Against:**

    1. **Lack of Clinical Evidence:** Despite initial enthusiasm, rigorous
    clinical trials have failed to provide consistent evidence supporting
    the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19.

    2. **Safety Concerns:** Hydroxychloroquine can cause various side
    effects, including heart rhythm problems, liver damage, and kidney
    failure. Its use in COVID-19 patients has been associated with an
    increased risk of these adverse effects.

    3. **Overprescription:** The widespread use of hydroxychloroquine,
    often without proper medical supervision, raised concerns about
    potential harm to patients, especially those with underlying health
    conditions.

    4. **Distraction from Other Treatments:** The focus on
    hydroxychloroquine diverted resources and attention away from
    developing and evaluating more promising treatments for COVID-19.

    **Conclusion:**

    The evidence regarding hydroxychloroquine's role in COVID-19 treatment
    remains complex and evolving. While initial reports suggested
    potential benefits, subsequent studies have raised significant doubts
    about its efficacy and highlighted safety concerns. The overwhelming
    consensus among medical experts is that hydroxychloroquine should not
    be used as a treatment for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials. The
    focus should be on therapies with proven effectiveness and a favorable
    safety profile.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=658448624#658448624

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to MummyChunk on Fri Jan 5 06:04:00 2024
    On Fri, 05 Jan 2024 09:08:48 +0000,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    While initial reports suggested potential benefit

    A French doctor evaluated via small group of people of different ages.
    At that time, it was not understood how Covid most commonly affected middle-aged and older adults. The U.S. Department of Veterans
    Affairs evaluated hydroxychloroquine and found no benefit.

    The evidence regarding hydroxychloroquine's role in COVID-19 treatment >remains complex and evolving.

    "...it proved to have no benefit for hospitalized patients with severe
    COVID-19 illness in the international Solidarity trial and UK RECOVERY
    Trial."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine

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  • From Jukka Lahtinen@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 6 23:22:07 2024
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

    Hydroxychloroquine could have caused 17,000 deaths during COVID,
    study finds
    Former US President Donald Trump said: 'What do you have to lose? Take
    it.'

    So there is at least some natural selection left for humans, aftar all..

    --
    Jukka Lahtinen

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Jukka Lahtinen on Sat Jan 6 22:51:22 2024
    On 2024-01-06, Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    So there is at least some natural selection left for humans, aftar all..

    Ha! Follow stupid advice, get stupid results. I've got Darwin on the
    phone; he is perfectly fine with how this worked out.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 6 23:58:03 2024
    JAB wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Jan 2024 09:08:48 +0000,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    While initial reports suggested potential benefit

    A French doctor evaluated via small group of people of different ages.
    At that time, it was not understood how Covid most commonly affected middle-aged and older adults. The U.S. Department of Veterans
    Affairs evaluated hydroxychloroquine and found no benefit.

    The evidence regarding hydroxychloroquine's role in COVID-19 treatment
    remains complex and evolving.

    "...it proved to have no benefit for hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19 illness in the international Solidarity trial and UK RECOVERY Trial."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine

    The 'Solidarity' trial also showed that remdesivir doesn't work, but that didn't stop "doctors" from pumping Covid patients full of it, with kidney failure among the adverse effects. And since the government has banned all inquiry that doesn't support the Narrative, we'll NEVER know how many were killed by that drug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sun Jan 7 08:19:13 2024
    On Sat, 6 Jan 2024 23:58:03 -0500, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

    And since the government has banned all
    inquiry that doesn't support the Narrative
    .............

    The French doctor's evaluation was flawed (small group of people of
    different ages) and then came the hydroxychloroquine bandwagon.

    Elon Musk told Trump about it, who gave a public performance. BTW,
    Trump was concerned about stamping out Covid, but his illiterate base
    went on about "my body, my choice" rhetoric, so he changed gears.

    Previous pharmaceutical agents have been re-evaluated for new uses.
    "Narrative" has nothing to do with this process, but various factors
    (new understandings, etc) bring about these evaluations.

    Academia is quick to jump on a new topic. If Table 1 is examined,
    there were still people dying, and this research below was done in
    earlier days when Covid's effects were not fully understood. All
    people of any age will not die from Covid, and determing if a given
    drug is effective takes more research to find out.

    2020 Nov - Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when
    provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/

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