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  • McCarthy Ousted as House Speaker

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 18:39:06 2023
    McCarthy Ousted as House Speaker and Says He Won't Run Again:
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    Opinion | Newt Gingrich: Matt Gaetz should be expelled from the House
    GOP - The Washington Post

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 3 21:14:56 2023
    On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 18:39:06 -0500
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    McCarthy Ousted as House Speaker and Says He Won't Run Again:

    Gingrich just doesn't like Repub-on-Repub infighting; prefers the clan
    stay loyal to itself.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Tue Oct 3 20:28:55 2023
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:14:56 -0400, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Gingrich just doesn't like Repub-on-Repub infighting; prefers the clan
    stay loyal to itself.

    I'm sure any speaker would like to have it their way, but he does make
    a valid point about Matt

    "Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), a liberal Democrat with
    whom I disagree on almost everything, perfectly captured Gaetz's
    childish behavior in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday.
    Gaetz "has no sway" or influence in Congress, Pelosi said, "except to
    get on TV and to raise money on the internet." Pelosi told Tapper he
    was "wasting [his] time on that guy."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/03/newt-gingrich-matt-gaetz-remove/

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 22:29:11 2023
    I'm sure any speaker would like to have it their way, but he does make
    a valid point about Matt

    Yeah, Gaetz is a FloridaMan douchenozzle for sure. His hatred for
    McCarthy seemed to be personal and total, he'd vote against oxygen if
    McCarthy put it up to vote, just for spite.

    Will be interesting to see what happens next. They've got 45 days to
    sort it out before this government lurches on over to its next shutdown,
    and Gaetz was a leading voice behind the shutdown so I expect next time
    he won't budge until his every last demand is met. That being
    impossible, I'm anticipating a shutdown, and possibly a long one.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Wed Oct 4 02:45:56 2023
    On 2023-10-04, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    I'm sure any speaker would like to have it their way, but he does make
    a valid point about Matt

    By the way, this seems to have some background on the two men's feud.
    Might come down to self-interest.

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/03/why-matt-gaetz-led-charge-to-remove-kevin-mccarthy-as-speaker/

    McCarthy has repeatedly claimed Gaetz has borne him a grudge for
    refusing his demand that McCarthy intervene in an ongoing House Ethics Committee investigation.

    “He’s blaming me for an ethics complaint against him that happened in
    the last Congress. I have nothing to do with it,” McCarthy told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” just hours before he was voted out.

    Gaetz, who is rumored to be eyeing a run for Florida governor in 2026,
    is being eyed by the ethics panel over allegations of sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and campaign finance violations as well as taking
    bribes.

    Many Congress members — including fellow Republicans — reportedly are
    eager to expel the Sunshine State politician if he is found guilty of wrongdoing.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Oct 4 05:08:35 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Gaetz, who is rumored to be eyeing
    a run for Florida governor in 2026,


    Not uncommon when a jerk (person) is pruning for a different office to step-on/crush others on their attempt to be elected.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Oct 4 05:30:24 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    By the way, this seems to have some background on the two men's feud.
    Might come down to self-interest.

    Do consider,

    Donald Trump is the Mob Boss in Mar-a-Lago, directing his dutiful
    soldiers to shut down the government and launch a sham "impeachment"
    inquiry into his political opponent.

    House Republicans are not working for the American people - they're
    working for Donald Trump.

    Vid: 1:05
    https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/status/1709335655937904650

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Wed Oct 4 09:27:21 2023
    On 10/3/23 21:29, Retrograde wrote:
    I'm sure any speaker would like to have it their way, but he does make
    a valid point about Matt

    Yeah, Gaetz is a FloridaMan douchenozzle for sure. His hatred for
    McCarthy seemed to be personal and total, he'd vote against oxygen if McCarthy put it up to vote, just for spite.

    Will be interesting to see what happens next. They've got 45 days to
    sort it out before this government lurches on over to its next shutdown,
    and Gaetz was a leading voice behind the shutdown so I expect next time
    he won't budge until his every last demand is met. That being
    impossible, I'm anticipating a shutdown, and possibly a long one.

    It's far past time to completely abolish the Congress, both houses. It's
    been disfunctional for decades. What do we replace it with? I don't
    know, maybe a parliament, maybe something else. Regardless of what the
    new thing is, what we have no does not and can not work.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Wed Oct 4 11:10:05 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:27:21 -0500, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

    It's been disfunctional for decades.

    Some have suggested since Bob Dole era, Rs have been more
    "aggressive."

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Oct 4 12:17:18 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    McCarthy


    AOC explains just how badly Kevin McCarthy screwed himself

    1: Congress was supposed to be on recess this week. He called them
    back for unclear reasons.

    2: If a motion to vacate the chair is launched, the Speaker has 48
    hours to shore up his support before the vote. He waived it!

    3: McCarthy recently got a clean CR through with more Democratic votes
    than GOP votes but then immediately went on TV to bash Democrats for
    "trying to shut down the government." He then seemed to expect
    Democrats to bail him out.

    4: McCarthy also did not offer anything for Democrats to bail him
    out.

    A guy who has stabbed everybody in the DC in the back multiple times
    somehow expected people to have his back in exchange for...nothing

    https://twitter.com/ArmandDoma/status/1709395004450599109

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Oct 4 23:46:42 2023
    On 2023-10-04, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    AOC explains just how badly Kevin McCarthy screwed himself
    ...
    A guy who has stabbed everybody in the DC in the back multiple times
    somehow expected people to have his back in exchange for...nothing


    Her stupid party surely won't let her say the words, but the fact that
    he allowed the Biden impeachment process to go forward pretty much
    guaranteed they wouldn't save him.

    Hard to survive when you're neck deep in a pit of vipers. I'd be
    surprised if a single person in Congress is focused on the well being of
    the American people anymore, and it's probably been a long time since
    anyone was.

    "My party" is the only consideration.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Oct 4 19:05:33 2023
    On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 22:29:11 -0400, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Yeah, Gaetz is a FloridaMan douchenozzle for sure.

    Florida's congressional Republicans are done with Matt Gaetz.
    ..
    ..
    They called Gaetz divisive. Disrespectful. Selfish. No other Florida
    Republican voted to oust McCarthy.
    ..
    ..
    As a sign of how unpopular Gaetz' move to unseat McCarthy was, hours
    before yesterday's vote, the GOP conference blocked microphones on the Republican side of the chamber, forcing Gaetz to debate from the
    Democratic side. But Gaetz was never known as a people-pleaser. The
    son of a prominent and wealthy former Florida Senate leader, Gaetz
    made headlines as a young Florida House member when he defended the
    state's "stand your ground" law in 2013. He was first elected to the
    U.S. House in 2016 and, among other things, survived a federal sex
    trafficking probe.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/04/florida-republicans-matt-gaetz-furious-00119865

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Oct 4 19:50:27 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 23:46:42 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Hard to survive when you're neck deep in a pit of vipers.

    And some with childish behavior...

    McCarthy behind move to kick Pelosi out of her office, sources say -
    so he can move into it
    CNN

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Oct 5 00:01:41 2023
    On 10/4/23 18:46, Retrograde wrote:
    "My party" is the only consideration.

    Not even, the only consideration these days is ``my re-election''.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to rdh on Thu Oct 5 11:59:43 2023
    On 2023-10-05, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    On 10/4/23 18:46, Retrograde wrote:
    "My party" is the only consideration.

    Not even, the only consideration these days is ``my re-election''.

    You are probably right. Thank you, SCOTUS "Let's get more dark money
    into politics via Citizens' United" ballsacks.

    Now that we're getting into the deep ethical morass of Clarence Thomas,
    Samuel Alito, and the modern "we can be bought" SCOTUS, I fully expect
    we'll eventually discover Citizens' United was funded by dark corporate
    money.

    Meanwhile, being a douchebag politician is a great way to get rich.
    Marjorie Taylor Green, George Santos, Lauren Boebert, the rest of the
    clown class: there ya go, it's explained.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Thu Oct 5 06:22:52 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:01:41 -0500, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

    On 10/4/23 18:46, Retrograde wrote:
    "My party" is the only consideration.

    Not even, the only consideration these days is ``my re-election''.

    Somewhat close, but follow the money trail...money talks, and BS
    walks.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Oct 6 17:51:04 2023
    On 2023-10-04, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    Donald Trump is the Mob Boss in Mar-a-Lago, directing his dutiful
    soldiers to shut down the government and launch a sham "impeachment"
    inquiry into his political opponent.

    House Republicans are not working for the American people - they're
    working for Donald Trump.

    You may be onto something.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/us/politics/matt-gaetz-mccarthy-florida.html

    For Gaetz, Washington Drama Could Fuel Florida Ambitions
    As rumors swirl about a 2026 bid for governor of Florida, Representative
    Matt Gaetz said his only political goal was “electing President Trump again.”

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Fri Oct 6 20:23:43 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:51:04 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    House Republicans are not working for the American people - they're
    working for Donald Trump.

    You may be onto something.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/us/politics/matt-gaetz-mccarthy-florida.html

    For Gaetz,

    Big Picture - A lawyer whose father was a politician....with Trump
    funding some monies to those in their re-election if they support him

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Oct 12 11:42:42 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:59:43 -0000 (UTC)
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-05, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    On 10/4/23 18:46, Retrograde wrote:
    "My party" is the only consideration.

    Not even, the only consideration these days is ``my re-election''.

    You are probably right. Thank you, SCOTUS "Let's get more dark money
    into politics via Citizens' United" ballsacks.

    Now that we're getting into the deep ethical morass of Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and the modern "we can be bought" SCOTUS, I fully expect
    we'll eventually discover Citizens' United was funded by dark corporate money.

    Meanwhile, being a douchebag politician is a great way to get rich.
    Marjorie Taylor Green, George Santos, Lauren Boebert, the rest of the
    clown class: there ya go, it's explained.

    It's behind a paywall, so I can't read it, but WSJ seems to share this
    view. From today's headlines, the below. Also if you search this NG
    on subject line Gaetz there's an article posted in January 2023 about
    Gaetz using douchebaggery as a fundraising mechanism.

    Feed: WSJ Opinion
    Title: McCarthy's Fall Is a Comedy Without Laughs
    Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 18:41:00 -0400
    Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/mccarthys-fall-is-a-comedy-without-laughs-house-speaker-gaetz-gop-election-ec169034

    His chief antagonist, Matt Gaetz, is a cartoon villain, a man so small
    he makes decadence look banal.



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