• Does the Supreme Court's ability to decide which cases it would take gi

    From S K@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 07:10:28 2022
    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 08:35:33 2022
    "S K" wrote in message news:33a68f76-3b5f-4ab7-b103-0a51980b91c3n@googlegroups.com...

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate it by >refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the Constitution.

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Jun 29 08:42:56 2022
    On 6/29/2022 8:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    "S K"  wrote in message news:33a68f76-3b5f-4ab7-b103-0a51980b91c3n@googlegroups.com...

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate
    it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power.  That's well known and built into the Constitution.

    --

    Of course, the justices can be removed by Congress. It is part of the
    checks and balances.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Jun 29 21:55:27 2022
    "Rick" <rick@nospam.com> wrote:
    "S K" wrote

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can
    perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the
    Constitution.

    It wasn't that long ago that there were certain cases the Supreme Court
    was required to take. They asked Congress to change that, and it was
    done. It can be undone too.


    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From S K@21:1/5 to Roy on Wed Jun 29 21:50:34 2022
    On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 11:42:59 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 8:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    "S K" wrote in message
    news:33a68f76-3b5f-4ab7...@googlegroups.com...

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate
    it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the Constitution.

    --
    Of course, the justices can be removed by Congress. It is part of the
    checks and balances.

    only for acts of commission. I can't imagine how there can be impeachment for NOT acting - stare decisis.

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  • From Barry Gold@21:1/5 to S K on Wed Jun 29 21:58:31 2022
    On 6/29/2022 7:10 AM, S K wrote:
    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    If the Supreme Court simply refuses to hear cases, then the decisions of
    the 13 US Courts of Appeal will be authoritative within their "circuit"
    (the states/territories where they have jurisdiction).

    That probably means that the injustice will stand in some circuits and
    be struck down in other circuits.

    I should note that having a "circuit split" like that is generally a
    strong inducement for SCOTUS to take a case and clarify the Constitution
    and/or law in question. But the circuit split will last until some case
    gets four votes to "grant cert" and hear the case.



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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to S K on Thu Jun 30 07:49:51 2022
    On 6/29/2022 9:50 PM, S K wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 11:42:59 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 8:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    "S K" wrote in message
    news:33a68f76-3b5f-4ab7...@googlegroups.com...

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can perpetuate
    it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the Constitution.

    --
    Of course, the justices can be removed by Congress. It is part of the
    checks and balances.

    only for acts of commission. I can't imagine how there can be impeachment for NOT acting - stare decisis.


    As can be seen in recent years, Congress gets to decide on the grounds
    for an impeachment.

    Read the impeachment of Justice Samuel Chase here

    https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-chase.htm

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to It appears that Stuart O. Bronstein on Thu Jun 30 15:46:06 2022
    It appears that Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> said:
    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can
    perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the
    Constitution.

    It wasn't that long ago that there were certain cases the Supreme Court
    was required to take. They asked Congress to change that, and it was
    done. It can be undone too.

    I don't think that would make any practical difference. If the law
    changed to reinstate writs of error, so the court was required to take
    any appeal, the court could just blow off the ones they don't want to
    take with a one sentence per curiam opinion saying the decision of the
    lower court is affirmed.

    The US supreme court is tiny compared to most other countries. When
    the court size was set at 9 in 1869, the population of the US was
    about 38 million. If the court had grown with the US population, we
    would now have 80 justices. Imagine if our court was like European
    ones, with large numbers of justices sitting in panels. That makes
    judges a lot less aggressive since if one panel does something wacky,
    the next panel can undo it.

    The Congress could absolutely do that. There is nothing in the
    Constitution about how big the court is or what its procedures are,
    only that it exists and that judges serve "during good behavior" which
    means until they die or retire. You can make a good case that the
    Congress could rotate judges, e.g., you're appointed to the supreme
    court for a decade, then you rotate off to one of the circuits.
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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to John Levine on Fri Jul 1 08:24:45 2022
    "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> said:

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can
    perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the
    Constitution.

    It wasn't that long ago that there were certain cases the Supreme
    Court was required to take. They asked Congress to change that,
    and it was done. It can be undone too.

    I don't think that would make any practical difference. If the law
    changed to reinstate writs of error, so the court was required to
    take any appeal, the court could just blow off the ones they don't
    want to take with a one sentence per curiam opinion saying the
    decision of the lower court is affirmed.

    Which is exactly what they did. They would typically get 5-6,000
    cases each year, which they would decide summarily (similar to what
    they call the shadow docket).

    The US supreme court is tiny compared to most other countries.
    When the court size was set at 9 in 1869, the population of the US
    was about 38 million. If the court had grown with the US
    population, we would now have 80 justices. Imagine if our court
    was like European ones, with large numbers of justices sitting in
    panels. That makes judges a lot less aggressive since if one panel
    does something wacky, the next panel can undo it.

    The Congress could absolutely do that. There is nothing in the
    Constitution about how big the court is or what its procedures
    are, only that it exists and that judges serve "during good
    behavior" which means until they die or retire. You can make a
    good case that the Congress could rotate judges, e.g., you're
    appointed to the supreme court for a decade, then you rotate off
    to one of the circuits.

    The Court used to take about 100 cases per year. That has declied to
    about 50 per year. So the Courts of Appeal, which have grown over
    time, and state Supreme Courts, have become more important and more influential.

    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 1 15:17:58 2022
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" wrote in message news:XnsAEC7E38116B3spamtraplexregiacom@130.133.4.11...

    "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> said:

    If an injustice is the status quo - the Supreme Court can
    perpetuate it by refusing to consider it indefinitely.

    By definition, the Supreme Court DOES have what could be called
    dictatorial power. That's well known and built into the
    Constitution.

    It wasn't that long ago that there were certain cases the Supreme
    Court was required to take. They asked Congress to change that,
    and it was done. It can be undone too.

    I don't think that would make any practical difference. If the law
    changed to reinstate writs of error, so the court was required to
    take any appeal, the court could just blow off the ones they don't
    want to take with a one sentence per curiam opinion saying the
    decision of the lower court is affirmed.

    Which is exactly what they did. They would typically get 5-6,000
    cases each year, which they would decide summarily (similar to what
    they call the shadow docket).

    The US supreme court is tiny compared to most other countries.
    When the court size was set at 9 in 1869, the population of the US
    was about 38 million. If the court had grown with the US
    population, we would now have 80 justices. Imagine if our court
    was like European ones, with large numbers of justices sitting in
    panels. That makes judges a lot less aggressive since if one panel
    does something wacky, the next panel can undo it.

    The Congress could absolutely do that. There is nothing in the
    Constitution about how big the court is or what its procedures
    are, only that it exists and that judges serve "during good
    behavior" which means until they die or retire. You can make a
    good case that the Congress could rotate judges, e.g., you're
    appointed to the supreme court for a decade, then you rotate off
    to one of the circuits.

    The Court used to take about 100 cases per year. That has declied to
    about 50 per year. So the Courts of Appeal, which have grown over
    time, and state Supreme Courts, have become more important and more >influential.


    Why do you suppose the number of cases the Court hears has dropped so much? Have they deliberately tried to reduce their workload or to perhaps spend
    more time on each case? Or do they actually believe the number of cases
    that merit their attention has gone down?

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Aug 30 06:26:28 2022
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Fri, 1 Jul 2022 08:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:


    The Court used to take about 100 cases per year. That has declied to
    about 50 per year.

    That's because each case takes so much more time, because of computers.

    (Not serious, but a year has passed and I want to see if I can post to
    as well as read this ng.)

    So the Courts of Appeal, which have grown over
    time, and state Supreme Courts, have become more important and more >influential.

    Good to know.

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    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Aug 30 08:38:37 2022
    micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    (Not serious, but a year has passed and I want to see if I can
    post to as well as read this ng.)

    Nah, never saw your message. :-)

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    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Aug 30 21:33:20 2022
    On 8/30/2022 8:38 AM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    (Not serious, but a year has passed and I want to see if I can
    post to as well as read this ng.)

    Nah, never saw your message. :-)


    Thanks to both of you for posting. I worry a bit when there is nothing
    posted for a while. The moderation process has a bunch of parts and any
    one of them can break. When you see the "Charter" messages from me, it
    is usually to verify everything is still working.

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