• Green card abuse

    From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 14:19:51 2022
    It appears the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer held a green card up until
    2021.

    If we take it that res ispsos loquitor, what action if any could the US
    pursue against him ?

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  • From Nobody Special@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 17:09:43 2022
    On 08/04/2022 22:19, Jethro_uk wrote:
    It appears the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer held a green card up until 2021.

    If we take it that res ispsos loquitor, what action if any could the US pursue against him ?

    None as far as I know because Green Card Holders are required to pay
    taxes on their world wide income so it benefits them if UK Chancellor
    has Green Card. It is costly for the guy so USA won't complain. There is no abuse here!

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Nobody Special on Sat Apr 9 06:58:18 2022
    Nobody Special <Nobody.Special@example.onion> wrote:
    Jethro_uk wrote:

    It appears the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer held a green card
    up until 2021.

    If we take it that res ispsos loquitor, what action if any could
    the US pursue against him ?

    None as far as I know because Green Card Holders are required to
    pay taxes on their world wide income so it benefits them if UK
    Chancellor has Green Card. It is costly for the guy so USA won't
    complain. There is no abuse here!

    While that is strictly true, there is also a tax treaty between the
    US that, among other things, essentially guarantees that a person
    won't be taxed on the same income in both countries.

    And why would the US care if he had a green card? I can't think of a
    single reason. If anyone would have a problem with that, it seems to
    me, it would be the UK.


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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 06:57:43 2022
    According to Nobody Special <Nobody.Special@example.onion>:
    On 08/04/2022 22:19, Jethro_uk wrote:
    It appears the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer held a green card up until 2021.

    If we take it that res ispsos loquitor, what action if any could the US
    pursue against him ?

    None as far as I know because Green Card Holders are required to pay
    taxes on their world wide income so it benefits them if UK Chancellor
    has Green Card. It is costly for the guy so USA won't complain. There is no abuse here!

    Seems to be a trend. UK prime minister Boris Johnson was born in New
    York and was still a US citizen when he sold an expensive house in
    2015 in London and got a US tax bill.

    He could easily have avoided the tax by transferring his interest to his
    wife before selling it, but planning ahead was never his strong point.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30932891

    He finally renounced his US citizenship in 2016.

    https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/boris-johnson-us-citizenship/index.html

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Sat Apr 9 14:52:23 2022
    On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 06:58:18 -0700, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    And why would the US care if he had a green card? I can't think of a
    single reason. If anyone would have a problem with that, it seems to
    me,
    it would be the UK.

    Isn't a green card issued under the explicit presumption of permanent
    residence ?

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Sat Apr 9 15:12:51 2022
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    And why would the US care if he had a green card? I can't think
    of a single reason. If anyone would have a problem with that, it
    seems to me,
    it would be the UK.

    Isn't a green card issued under the explicit presumption of
    permanent residence ?

    A green card represents permanent residence. That doesn't mean the
    person has to be in the US for 365 days a year. I'm not an expert on immigration law, but my recollection is that a green card allows the
    person to do whatever they want in terms of travel. Before the green
    card arrives travel is restricted, but I don't think it is afterwards.


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  • From Nobody Special@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Sat Apr 9 14:56:38 2022
    On 09/04/2022 14:58, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    While that is strictly true, there is also a tax treaty between the
    US that, among other things, essentially guarantees that a person
    won't be taxed on the same income in both countries.

    The tax treaties will give credits for foreign taxes paid but they are nevertheless taxed in both countries. For example, if a UK resident pays
    tax in the UK on his primary income derived in the UK then UK has first priority to tax him but US might also be interested in his income and
    tax him accordingly at the rate applicable in the US. BUT and big BUT
    that a credit is given for any taxes already paid in the UK. That is
    what we do in the UK on foreign income and I guess this is all governed
    by OECD model <https://www.oecd.org/tax/treaties/> for tax treaties applicable world wide. If the tax rate in
    the US is higher than UK then the difference is payable in the US
    otherwise no tax is payable in the US.

    Rishi Sunak, British Finance Minister, has a property in the US where he
    visits twice a year with his family. His wife also has a Green Card but
    is Indian Citizen because India doesn't allow its citizens to have dual nationality. Both Husband and Wife are US graduates from Stanford
    University (MBA) and both have worked in the US before they came to the
    UK to settle down. Both are millionaires in their own right and nobody
    is claiming that their wealth is from illegal activities. Wife is the
    daughter of InfoSys founder based in India and Rishi Sunak also comes
    from a very wealthy family but we know very little about his parents.
    Indians are generally very private people.



    And why would the US care if he had a green card? I can't think of a
    single reason. If anyone would have a problem with that, it seems to
    me, it would be the UK.


    I agree this and the reason this story is in the public domain recently
    because Boris Johnson is in real trouble because of PartyGate scandal
    and he could be replaced and the likely candidate to replace him his
    Rishi Sunak. the story is licked by Downing street insiders, so it claimed in the papers.

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Sat Apr 9 15:24:03 2022
    On 4/9/2022 3:12 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    And why would the US care if he had a green card? I can't think
    of a single reason. If anyone would have a problem with that, it
    seems to me,
    it would be the UK.

    Isn't a green card issued under the explicit presumption of
    permanent residence ?

    A green card represents permanent residence. That doesn't mean the
    person has to be in the US for 365 days a year. I'm not an expert on immigration law, but my recollection is that a green card allows the
    person to do whatever they want in terms of travel. Before the green
    card arrives travel is restricted, but I don't think it is afterwards.



    The green card is also a permanent visa. It allows a person to travel
    to and from the US without the restrictions of a non-immigrant visa.

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