In SC, there are some intersections with a traffic light, etc where the
right turn lane has a "yield" sign. Usually, these either have a barrier
of some sorts (basically a concrete pad right there at the corner where
the right-turn traffic is separated some from the straight through
traffic. See https://goo.gl/maps/rv52WugQdBMxZvjk9 for an example aerial
view where traffic from the left or right has to yield to traffic from
the top or bottom no matter what lights are green) or the curb/road edge
is cut off wide (see the aerial view at
https://goo.gl/maps/BU3nskZCuPkS1zmZ8 where the white vehicle in the
center has to yield to traffic from the right no matter what the lights
are) and both have yield signs. Also most places like off-ramps from the interstate have yield signs as well.

In SC, the law says that if there is no yield sign and no barrier
(basically where you wind up with a distinct lane that is merging into
another such as it had in the first map), then traffic making a left
must yield to traffic from the other direction that's making a right or
going straight through when both have solid green lights (see
intersection at https://goo.gl/maps/ADP2WtUzyHcvucGH6 as an example.
Traffic on Dave Lyle has two lanes in each direction as well as left
turn lanes and traffic on Main has one lane in each direction as well as
the left turn lanes. No corner has a yield sign and no direction has a
green arrow indicating turns only.)

My question isn't about the law in SC but simply "is anyone aware of any
state at all that has a law that says 'even absent any yield signs or
traffic light indicators requiring such, traffic turning right must
yield to oncoming traffic turning left.'?" My guess is probably not
since it's call the "UNIFORM Act..." and thus probably the same in all
states. The specific law says:

"The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an
intersection or into an alley, private road or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction
which is within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard."

A lot of people around here seem to think that the left-turning traffic
has the right of way over the right-turning traffic sans any traffic
light or sign that tells the right-turning traffic to yield/stop and I
was just trying to figure out why they may have gotten that idea.

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Right turn on red (RTOR) seems to be very dependent on the state.

When I was learning to drive years ago NY did not permit RTOR in NYC
without a sign. It still does AFAIK

From what I can tell, most states require a full stop and then it
becomes a yield.

One difference is the person that has the green light and turning into a multilane highway. Some states require the turn into the far left lane
while others permit a turn into any lane. That would affect the RTOR
driver.

Another difference is RTOR without a stop. In California, you can do
this if the signal light is to the left of the vehicle. I only saw this
where there was a dedicated right run lane at the light and the
destination lane was also dedicated to people turning.

One more interesting difference is left turn on red (LTOR)

In the U.S., 38 states allow LTOR only if both the origin and
destination streets are one way. LTOR from a two-way to a one-way are
the same "difficulty" as a right turn on red. However Alaska, Idaho,
Michigan, Oregon, and Washington allow this type of turn by default.



On 3/2/2022 10:45 AM, Mike Anderson wrote:

In SC, there are some intersections with a traffic light, etc where the
right turn lane has a "yield" sign. Usually, these either have a barrier
of some sorts (basically a concrete pad right there at the corner where
the right-turn traffic is separated some from the straight through
traffic. See https://goo.gl/maps/rv52WugQdBMxZvjk9 for an example aerial
view where traffic from the left or right has to yield to traffic from
the top or bottom no matter what lights are green) or the curb/road edge
is cut off wide (see the aerial view at
https://goo.gl/maps/BU3nskZCuPkS1zmZ8 where the white vehicle in the
center has to yield to traffic from the right no matter what the lights
are) and both have yield signs. Also most places like off-ramps from the interstate have yield signs as well.

In SC, the law says that if there is no yield sign and no barrier
(basically where you wind up with a distinct lane that is merging into another such as it had in the first map), then traffic making a left
must yield to traffic from the other direction that's making a right or
going straight through when both have solid green lights (see
intersection at https://goo.gl/maps/ADP2WtUzyHcvucGH6 as an example.
Traffic on Dave Lyle has two lanes in each direction as well as left
turn lanes and traffic on Main has one lane in each direction as well as
the left turn lanes. No corner has a yield sign and no direction has a
green arrow indicating turns only.)

My question isn't about the law in SC but simply "is anyone aware of any state at all that has a law that says 'even absent any yield signs or
traffic light indicators requiring such, traffic turning right must
yield to oncoming traffic turning left.'?" My guess is probably not
since it's call the "UNIFORM Act..." and thus probably the same in all states. The specific law says:

"The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an
intersection or into an alley, private road or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction
which is within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard."

A lot of people around here seem to think that the left-turning traffic
has the right of way over the right-turning traffic sans any traffic
light or sign that tells the right-turning traffic to yield/stop and I
was just trying to figure out why they may have gotten that idea.

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On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 11:04:15 AM UTC-5, Roy wrote:

Right turn on red (RTOR) seems to be very dependent on the state.

When I was learning to drive years ago NY did not permit RTOR in NYC
without a sign. It still does AFAIK

From what I can tell, most states require a full stop and then it
becomes a yield.

What does that mean to you??? A Yield sign does not require a stop, but it does not grant right of way to other traffic. A Stop sign requires a stop, but otherwise is the same. So for right turns on red, it is just like a stop sign, a full stop. I
have no idea what you are trying to say.

One difference is the person that has the green light and turning into a multilane highway. Some states require the turn into the far left lane
while others permit a turn into any lane. That would affect the RTOR
driver.

Another difference is RTOR without a stop. In California, you can do
this if the signal light is to the left of the vehicle. I only saw this
where there was a dedicated right run lane at the light and the
destination lane was also dedicated to people turning.

One more interesting difference is left turn on red (LTOR)

In the U.S., 38 states allow LTOR only if both the origin and
destination streets are one way. LTOR from a two-way to a one-way are
the same "difficulty" as a right turn on red. However Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon, and Washington allow this type of turn by default.

It would be nice if you didn't top post.

RTOR is a federally... "encouraged" traffic rule. I think Washington, DC was the last holdout because they would have needed to put up more signs saying, "NO turn on red" than the signs they had saying, "Turn on Red ALLOWED". They finally gave in some
20 years ago or more.

So now every state in the Union, and likely the territories as well, all have RTOR unless a sign is posted indicating otherwise.

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:45:53 -0800 (PST), Mike
Anderson <prabbit237@gmail.com.com> wrote:

My question isn't about the law in SC but simply "is anyone aware of any >state at all that has a law that says 'even absent any yield signs or
traffic light indicators requiring such, traffic turning right must
yield to oncoming traffic turning left.'?" My guess is probably not
since it's call the "UNIFORM Act..." and thus probably the same in all >states.

My best info is from 1973 (What's 50 years among friends?) but as I
recall, some states adopt Uniform Acts and later may make small changes
to them so they're close but not 100% uniform. I had the impression,
maybe incorrectly, that locally they still called them Uniform Acts.

In this case I have no idea.



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