• does the second amendment cover non-citizens?

    From S K@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 11 08:15:27 2021
    permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to S K on Thu Mar 11 09:42:57 2021
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:15:27 -0800, S K wrote:

    permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?

    https://uclawreview.org/2016/10/17/noncitizens-and-the-second-amendment

    Of much more interest (to a Brit) is the fact that since you can't own a
    weapon that fires incendiary rounds in California, there clearly are
    *some* limits on keeping and bearing arms possible ...

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Thu Mar 11 10:36:06 2021
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    S K wrote:

    permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?

    https://uclawreview.org/2016/10/17/noncitizens-and-the-second-amend
    ment

    Of much more interest (to a Brit) is the fact that since you can't
    own a weapon that fires incendiary rounds in California, there
    clearly are *some* limits on keeping and bearing arms possible ...

    There are reasonable limits on all Constitutional rights, mostly those
    that deal with health and safety.

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    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Thu Mar 11 12:20:21 2021
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:36:06 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    S K wrote:

    permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?

    https://uclawreview.org/2016/10/17/noncitizens-and-the-second-amend
    ment

    Of much more interest (to a Brit) is the fact that since you can't own
    a weapon that fires incendiary rounds in California, there clearly are
    *some* limits on keeping and bearing arms possible ...

    There are reasonable limits on all Constitutional rights, mostly those
    that deal with health and safety.

    It may be true what they say about the US grasp of irony :)

    OK, I'll bite. Why is banning anything bigger than a .22 not considered a "reasonable limit" for health and safetys sake ? Or at the very least a registration scheme for bigger bangs ? (That is assuming that there is a
    common agreement that high school shootings are contrary to the interests
    of health and safety - it may be they are considered an extreme practical
    in some quarters ?????)

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Thu Mar 11 14:13:32 2021
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

    There are reasonable limits on all Constitutional rights, mostly
    those that deal with health and safety.

    It may be true what they say about the US grasp of irony :)

    OK, I'll bite. Why is banning anything bigger than a .22 not
    considered a "reasonable limit" for health and safetys sake ? Or
    at the very least a registration scheme for bigger bangs ? (That
    is assuming that there is a common agreement that high school
    shootings are contrary to the interests of health and safety - it
    may be they are considered an extreme practical in some quarters
    ?????)

    That has nothing to do with the Constitution. That's just pure
    politics. The Constitution limits what government can do. It doesn't
    require the government to do much if anything.

    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Bernie Cosell@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 11 21:05:20 2021
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

    } On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:15:27 -0800, S K wrote:
    }
    } > permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?
    }
    } https://uclawreview.org/2016/10/17/noncitizens-and-the-second-amendment
    }
    } Of much more interest (to a Brit) is the fact that since you can't own a
    } weapon that fires incendiary rounds in California, there clearly are
    } *some* limits on keeping and bearing arms possible ...

    And machine guns have been outlawed since the 30s. /b\
    --
    Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
    bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
    --> Too many people, too few sheep <--

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  • From Barry Gold@21:1/5 to S K on Fri Mar 12 05:12:11 2021
    On 3/11/2021 8:15 AM, S K wrote:
    permanent residents,people on temporary visas,illegal immigrants?


    I would say yes to the first two and maybe to the last.

    --
    I do so have a memory. It's backed up on DVD... somewhere...

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Fri Mar 12 05:15:00 2021
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:13:32 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

    There are reasonable limits on all Constitutional rights, mostly those
    that deal with health and safety.

    It may be true what they say about the US grasp of irony :)

    OK, I'll bite. Why is banning anything bigger than a .22 not considered
    a "reasonable limit" for health and safetys sake ? Or at the very least
    a registration scheme for bigger bangs ? (That is assuming that there
    is a common agreement that high school shootings are contrary to the
    interests of health and safety - it may be they are considered an
    extreme practical in some quarters ?????)

    That has nothing to do with the Constitution. That's just pure
    politics.

    I think I'd worked that out :)

    But it can cause quite a flap to actually state it.

    The Constitution limits what government can do. It doesn't
    require the government to do much if anything.

    That strays into a much wider debate (quite succinctly framed by P.J. O
    Rourke) about what is the purpose of government to begin with ????

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Bernie Cosell on Fri Mar 12 05:15:22 2021
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:05:20 -0800, Bernie Cosell wrote:

    And machine guns have been outlawed since the 30s. /b\

    My grasp of firearm terminology is not great but I've seen shows with
    people toting Uzis in California.

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