Kyle Rittenhouse is charged with illegally possessing a firearm while under age 18.under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult."[8] Wisconsin statute 948.60(3)(c) states: "This section applies only to a person under 18 years
Wisconsin state law 948.60(2)(a) states: "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor." However, the exception is: "when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice
Rittenhouses's attorneys say that the "exceptions' allow a 17 year old to open carry an AR15 in an urban setting without having to claim he/she was hunting.
The judge saw the absurdity of this badly written set of laws (he said the "exceptions destroy the baseline law") but has not been able to strike the defense claim down for now.
Are judges bound by the strict wording the law that allows absurd ambiguity or can they simply declare that the legislature could not have intended such an absurd interpretation and throw it out?
On 10/7/2021 4:13 PM, S K wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is charged with illegally possessing a firearm while
under age 18.
Wisconsin state law 948.60(2)(a) states: "Any person under 18 years of
age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a
Class A misdemeanor." However, the exception is: "when the dangerous
weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an
adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use
of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult."[8]
Wisconsin statute 948.60(3)(c) states: "This section applies only to a
person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or
a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in
compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593."[9]
Rittenhouses's attorneys say that the "exceptions' allow a 17 year old
to open carry an AR15 in an urban setting without having to claim
he/she was hunting.
The judge saw the absurdity of this badly written set of laws (he said
the "exceptions destroy the baseline law") but has not been able to
strike the defense claim down for now.
Are judges bound by the strict wording the law that allows absurd
ambiguity or can they simply declare that the legislature could not
have intended such an absurd interpretation and throw it out?
Most of the time, a court will try to preserve a bill as written. The assumption is that the legislature knows what it is doing, and if it
doesn't like the results it can amend the legislation.
The only exception is if the legislation violates the US or state Constitution. Then the court will either strike it down in its entirety,
or -- if the bill is "severable" -- strike out the unconstitutional
parts and leave the rest intact.
[COngress or a legislature will often explicitly state that a law is severable if some part of it seems "iffy"]
A good example of that is the Texas abortion law (but if ya ask me,
including a severability clause is just an open admission that you
*already KNOW* that the law, in some parts at least, is very likely to
be found unconstitutional/void.)
On 10/8/2021 6:16 AM, Mike Anderson wrote:
A good example of that is the Texas abortion law (but if ya ask me,
including a severability clause is just an open admission that you
*already KNOW* that the law, in some parts at least, is very likely to
be found unconstitutional/void.)
I think severability clauses are fairly common in legislation. But I
have to admit that I have never seen one quite as... expansive... as the
one in the Texas abortion law.
It reads like, "We know the court is going to find this facially unconstitutional, so we want to save whatever part that might still be
valid, however small that might be. I can see it now:
Section 171:
the... and... or... any... some...
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