• Bat choice of words whitewashes bad behavour

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 23:58:12 2024
    I knew it's been bothering me for quite a while: Peacful transfer of
    power. I finally figured it out. Wrong phrase. A lot of ways to steal
    the election would have been peaceful. There was a 5-stage plan, and
    any of the first 4 stages could have been sucessful and they were all
    peaceful. Only stage 5 was not. By talking about peacefulness instead
    of legality, they minimize and even tend to obliterate the problems of
    the first 4 stages, and of the plans, in progress and yet to come, to
    steal future elections with different plans.

    Should say legal transfer of power. or peaceful, legal transfer of
    power.


    Another phrase that bothers me is "free and fair elections". Like the
    phrase above, there is something wrong with this phrase. But I haven't
    figured it out yet. It's seems okay, but my gut tells me it's either
    missing something, adding something, or for completeness, possibly
    distorting something. And my gut is rarely wrong.

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Aug 31 20:55:54 2024
    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 23:58:12 -0700 (PDT), micky wrote:

    I knew it's been bothering me for quite a while: Peacful transfer of
    power. I finally figured it out. Wrong phrase.

    Have you heard the phrase "term of art"? Lawyers call a word or
    phrase a "term of art" if it means something specialized to lawyers,
    and different from how laymen use the same word or phrase.

    A classic example is "actual malice" -- not just "malice" but
    "_actual_ malice". The Supreme Court of the US invented that phrase
    in Sullivan v. New York Times. They handed down a decision that a
    public figure could not prevail in a libel action merely because the
    statements in question were false and damaging. The defendant had to
    have acted with "actual malice", by which the Justices meant that
    defendant either knew the statements in question were false or
    published them in reckless disregard of whether they were true or
    false. A defendant can have no ill feelings -- "malice" in its
    ordinary sense -- toward the plaintiff, but still have been so
    severely negligent in checking the facts before publishing that a
    court would find they acted with "actual malice" by the Supreme
    Court's definition.

    "Peaceful transfer of power" is maybe not quite a term of art, but
    it's close. It means not only refraining from setting the Reichstag,
    or the Capitol, on fire, but also not doing violence to the law by
    interfering in a material way with the process of counting the votes
    and establishing a winner as the law directs.

    A lot of ways to steal
    the election would have been peaceful. There was a 5-stage plan, and
    any of the first 4 stages could have been sucessful and they were all peaceful. Only stage 5 was not. By talking about peacefulness instead
    of legality, they minimize and even tend to obliterate the problems of
    the first 4 stages, and of the plans, in progress and yet to come, to
    steal future elections with different plans.

    All of these would do violence to the law. In English common law an
    action for trespass routinely claimed that the defendant had entered plaintiff's land "with force of arms" (vi et armis), even if it was
    as simple as opening an unlocked gate. Like the Church, the Law has
    its own terms, which grew out of history, and they do not change
    quickly.

    Another phrase that bothers me is "free and fair elections". Like the phrase above, there is something wrong with this phrase. But I haven't figured it out yet. It's seems okay, but my gut tells me it's either
    missing something, adding something, or for completeness, possibly
    distorting something. And my gut is rarely wrong.

    I don't have the insight of your intestinal flora, but this phrase
    doesn't seem problematic to me. I'll leave it to others to weigh in.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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