• False (celebrity) endorsements - defamation ?

    From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 20 08:31:42 2024
    If a politician in active campaigning mode, by some means whether
    intentionally dishonest or a genuine misunderstanding suggests in a "publication" (covering TV, internet etc) that a specifically named
    individual who has celebrity in their own right has somehow "endorsed"
    their campaign in any degree, could an offense have been committed ?

    Being a non lawyer (with a lifestyle to match) I can only think that the independent celebrity could argue that the claimed association is in some
    way defamatory ? With all that entails. (Cease and desist and all that).
    Would they be able to use the legal system to cause the offending
    campaigner to withdraw their remarks and make restitution ?

    If we remove the celebrity element, could an ordinary citizen also pursue remedy ? Say their image was used without their permission to suggest
    they endorse a particular candidate.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 20 12:26:05 2024
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Jethro_uk wrote:
    If a politician in active campaigning mode, by some means whether intentionally dishonest or a genuine misunderstanding suggests in a "publication" (covering TV, internet etc) that a specifically named individual who has celebrity in their own right has somehow "endorsed"
    their campaign in any degree, could an offense have been committed ?

    Being a non lawyer (with a lifestyle to match) I can only think that the independent celebrity could argue that the claimed association is in some
    way defamatory ? With all that entails.

    It would depend on the facts of the case, including the type of
    celebrity, and whether an ordinary person could reasonably believe
    that the candidate was being endorsed.

    The bar for an action in libel or slander is pretty high when the
    plaintiff is a public figure. The plaintiff must show "actual
    malice", a term of art that means the defendant either knew that the
    statements in question were false or acted in reckless disregard of
    whether they were true or false. (New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376
    U.S. 254 (1964))

    If we remove the celebrity element, could an ordinary citizen also pursue remedy ? Say their image was used without their permission to suggest
    they endorse a particular candidate.

    "Actual malice" is a requirement only when the libelee is a public
    figure. While it would turn on the facts either way, a plaintiff who
    is not a public figure will find it easier to make a case.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Tue Aug 20 18:08:03 2024
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

    If a politician in active campaigning mode, by some means whether intentionally dishonest or a genuine misunderstanding suggests in a "publication" (covering TV, internet etc) that a specifically named individual who has celebrity in their own right has somehow "endorsed"
    their campaign in any degree, could an offense have been committed ?

    I'm not aware of any criminal statute prohibiting that, but it is
    certainly a civil violation.

    Being a non lawyer (with a lifestyle to match) I can only think that
    the independent celebrity could argue that the claimed association is
    in some way defamatory ? With all that entails. (Cease and desist and
    all that). Would they be able to use the legal system to cause the
    offending campaigner to withdraw their remarks and make restitution ?

    Very likely, yes.

    If we remove the celebrity element, could an ordinary citizen also
    pursue remedy ? Say their image was used without their permission to
    suggest they endorse a particular candidate.

    The case is even stronger for someone who is not a "public figure"
    because the First Amendment protection is less. I remember a case some
    years ago where a tabloid put a photo of an 80 year old woman on its
    cover with the caption, "106 Year Old Gives Birth." The woman sued
    because ir was false, of course. At trial the tabloid defended by saying
    that everybody knows everything they print is a lie, so there was no
    damage. The jury didn't agree with the defendant.


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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Tue Aug 20 17:58:35 2024
    On 8/20/2024 3:26 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Jethro_uk wrote:
    If a politician in active campaigning mode, by some means whether
    intentionally dishonest or a genuine misunderstanding suggests in a
    "publication" (covering TV, internet etc) that a specifically named
    individual who has celebrity in their own right has somehow "endorsed"
    their campaign in any degree, could an offense have been committed ?

    Being a non lawyer (with a lifestyle to match) I can only think that the
    independent celebrity could argue that the claimed association is in some
    way defamatory ? With all that entails.

    It would depend on the facts of the case, including the type of
    celebrity, and whether an ordinary person could reasonably believe
    that the candidate was being endorsed.

    The bar for an action in libel or slander is pretty high when the
    plaintiff is a public figure. The plaintiff must show "actual
    malice", a term of art that means the defendant either knew that the statements in question were false or acted in reckless disregard of
    whether they were true or false. (New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376
    U.S. 254 (1964))

    If we remove the celebrity element, could an ordinary citizen also pursue
    remedy ? Say their image was used without their permission to suggest
    they endorse a particular candidate.

    "Actual malice" is a requirement only when the libelee is a public
    figure. While it would turn on the facts either way, a plaintiff who
    is not a public figure will find it easier to make a case.


    It can also be pretty hard to show damages in a case like this since the celebrity in question can simply make a public statement disavowing the
    implied or explicit endorsement. In point of fact, some celebrities may actually see their careers helped by a false endorsement since it gains
    more publicity for them and/or could makes them seem like victims.

    Another problem here is that politicians (at least in the US) are known
    to exaggerate, stretch the facts, and, yes, even outright lie sometimes (often). So what's the bigger sin - politician A falsely claiming that celebrity X supports them, or politician B making a false claim about
    something they say they accomplished in the past which they didn't? Or
    what about politician C who claims they will do such and such when
    elected (reduce taxes, let's say, or pass some legislation) even though
    they have no intention of actually doing that. Indeed, one can argue
    that claiming you have a celebrity endorsement when you don't is
    probably a much less impactful statement than promising to take some
    kind of executive action you have no intention of doing.

    Politicians nowadays are essentially performers reading lines. My two
    cents is you can't really vote for someone based merely on the words
    they say because the words they say, in most cases, are carefully
    scripted and designed to paint themselves in the best possible light.
    You really have to vote for someone based on what you think they will do
    when in office, and you do that based on the person's past actions.

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