1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED

  • A dropdown mneu

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 09:52:05 2024
    During closing arguments, and though I didn't hear about it, maybe
    during testimony, Todd Blanche said that trump's company basically had
    no choice and had to call the expense "legal expenses" because they were limited by the choices in the drop-down menu for the field which said
    the purpose of an expense. This is very hard for me to believe, that
    if there were a menu of choices, one of them was not more appropriate,
    like "other". Even if they were using free software, something one
    might believe of the cheapskates at trump company, I would expect that
    there is "other" or ability to change even the computer ledger by hand

    But for you guys, there seems to be a legal question here.

    If the first time the defense brought this up was during closing
    arguments, it seems like they were introducing evidence (about the
    software) and I thought that was not permitted, except through a sworn
    witness during the testimony part. ????

    And even if they brought this up during the testimony, it seems to me
    they would have been obliged, at least if there were an objection by the prosecution which there should have been, to bring in the computer and
    show the jury the software in action. Both because this whole thing is
    hard to believe and because as a juror, I'd want to see exactly what all
    the choices are.

    I don't think I'd settle for the user manual, and for free software,
    thos manuals aren't that good anyhow.

    I thought this requirement is part of the "best evidence" rule, if
    nothing else.

    Otherwise it seems like they are introducing unsworn "evidence" during
    closing arguments.

    (Not sure but there may be other similar things in the closing argument,
    but it's 3 hours long and I'm not going to read it.)

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rick@21:1/5 to micky on Wed May 29 12:28:39 2024
    "micky" wrote in message news:kfle5jlb3ksa71bh2qqa3bmv9pue9csdhc@4ax.com...


    During closing arguments, and though I didn't hear about it, maybe
    during testimony, Todd Blanche said that trump's company basically had
    no choice and had to call the expense "legal expenses" because they were >limited by the choices in the drop-down menu for the field which said
    the purpose of an expense. This is very hard for me to believe, that
    if there were a menu of choices, one of them was not more appropriate,
    like "other". Even if they were using free software, something one
    might believe of the cheapskates at trump company, I would expect that
    there is "other" or ability to change even the computer ledger by hand

    But for you guys, there seems to be a legal question here.

    If the first time the defense brought this up was during closing
    arguments, it seems like they were introducing evidence (about the
    software) and I thought that was not permitted, except through a sworn >witness during the testimony part. ????

    And even if they brought this up during the testimony, it seems to me
    they would have been obliged, at least if there were an objection by the >prosecution which there should have been, to bring in the computer and
    show the jury the software in action. Both because this whole thing is
    hard to believe and because as a juror, I'd want to see exactly what all
    the choices are.

    I don't think I'd settle for the user manual, and for free software,
    thos manuals aren't that good anyhow.

    I thought this requirement is part of the "best evidence" rule, if
    nothing else.

    Otherwise it seems like they are introducing unsworn "evidence" during >closing arguments.

    (Not sure but there may be other similar things in the closing argument,
    but it's 3 hours long and I'm not going to read it.)


    I didn't watch the earlier testimony, but I agree with you that if they mentioned the limited dropdown choices in the closing, that fact should have been introduced during the trial, probably in the testimony of the AP clerk
    who entered that data into the system. My guess is that this was mentioned
    and you may have just missed it.

    --

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)