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  • Dot-Com Websites at War

    From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 12:11:16 2023
    It would be amusing if it were not so pathetic...

    A long-standing web-based advice forum had an argument with one of its subscribers who, after being booted off, promptly started up their own web-based forum with a very similar name and with much of the content
    scraped in whole or in part from the first. With me so far?

    Each web site is a dot com issued by a well-known US purveyor of
    websites. Each owner is, I believe an American citizen but their
    target audiences are people who live outside the USA.

    The owner of the first site is encouraging their own subscribers who
    have been "scraped" to make DMCA takedown declarations against the
    second site. Those subscribers may or may not be US citizens but
    almost certainly live outside the USA. If they do file DMCAs, are
    these actions going to go anywhere? Does anybody care? Would it just
    be better to buy popcorn and watch the spat unfold?

    Nick

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 17:40:21 2023
    According to Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>:
    The owner of the first site is encouraging their own subscribers who
    have been "scraped" to make DMCA takedown declarations against the
    second site. Those subscribers may or may not be US citizens but
    almost certainly live outside the USA. If they do file DMCAs, are
    these actions going to go anywhere? Does anybody care? Would it just
    be better to buy popcorn and watch the spat unfold?

    In practice most hosting providers take stuff down when they get a
    DMCA notice without making any effort to see if it's valid. The DMCA
    says the person who put the content up can counterclaim and say to
    leave it up, but most hosting providers never got around to handling counterclaims, because there are very few compared to the number of
    DMCA notices.

    Any hosting provider of any size gets a flood of DMCA notices, mostly robogenerated by companies looking for music and video clips.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to John Levine on Mon Dec 25 20:03:49 2023
    "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote in news:um7kcu$30ng$3@gal.iecc.com:

    According to Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>:
    The owner of the first site is encouraging their own subscribers who
    have been "scraped" to make DMCA takedown declarations against the
    second site. Those subscribers may or may not be US citizens but
    almost certainly live outside the USA. If they do file DMCAs, are
    these actions going to go anywhere? Does anybody care? Would it just
    be better to buy popcorn and watch the spat unfold?

    In practice most hosting providers take stuff down when they get a
    DMCA notice without making any effort to see if it's valid. The DMCA
    says the person who put the content up can counterclaim and say to
    leave it up, but most hosting providers never got around to handling counterclaims, because there are very few compared to the number of
    DMCA notices.

    Any hosting provider of any size gets a flood of DMCA notices, mostly robogenerated by companies looking for music and video clips.

    In terms of who the DMCA covers, it applies to all websites that are
    hosted on servers in the US. It doesn't matter what country anyone is
    in. What matters is the location of the isp server where the website is hosted.


    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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