• Court ordered malpractice

    From Roy@21:1/5 to Bernie Cosell on Tue Aug 31 17:03:00 2021
    On 8/31/2021 4:46 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
    I've been pondering this decision [this from the guardian, but it's been reported elsewhere]:

    People are not just flocking to agricultural outlets to buy the drugs –
    they’re waging legal battles in order to have the privilege of
    ingesting ivermectin. A judge in Ohio recently overruled hospital
    officials’ advice and ordered that a desperately ill Covid patient be
    treated with the drug after his wife brought a case arguing that he
    should have the right to give it a go.

    Now, I'm not arguing the patient's wish to use it. What I'm wondering is
    how this kind of court order aligns with malpractice. If they guy gets
    very very sick [perhaps dies] by screwing around with Ivermectic that the hospital tried to dissuade him from taking that, does he [or his heirs]
    have any recourse? I'm hoping the answer is "no" - that the "right to give it a go" means that *he* is now responsible for it.

    /Bernie\


    I am not sure then news got it all straight. As I understand it,
    another doctor ordered the drug but the hospital refused to administer it.

    The doctor is Dr. Fred Wagshul, an Ohio physician who the lawsuit
    identifies as “one of the foremost experts on using Ivermectin in
    treating COVID-19.”

    So any malpractice goes to Wagshul.

    The problem really unapproved usage. Unapproved use of an approved drug
    is often called “off-label” use. This term can mean that the drug is:
    Used for a disease or medical condition that it is not approved to
    treat, such as when a chemotherapy is approved to treat one type of
    cancer, but healthcare providers use it to treat a different type of cancer.

    Hydroxychloroquine for COVID falls into the same boat. The media was
    telling everyone it a dangerous drug. My wife has been on it for six
    years for rheumatoid arthritis. It has been prescribed for RA for year
    and years.

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  • From Bernie Cosell@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 31 16:46:20 2021
    I've been pondering this decision [this from the guardian, but it's been reported elsewhere]:

    People are not just flocking to agricultural outlets to buy the drugs
    theyre waging legal battles in order to have the privilege of
    ingesting ivermectin. A judge in Ohio recently overruled hospital
    officials advice and ordered that a desperately ill Covid patient be
    treated with the drug after his wife brought a case arguing that he
    should have the right to give it a go.

    Now, I'm not arguing the patient's wish to use it. What I'm wondering is
    how this kind of court order aligns with malpractice. If they guy gets
    very very sick [perhaps dies] by screwing around with Ivermectic that the hospital tried to dissuade him from taking that, does he [or his heirs]
    have any recourse? I'm hoping the answer is "no" - that the "right to give
    it a go" means that *he* is now responsible for it.

    /Bernie\
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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Roy on Tue Aug 31 19:33:55 2021
    "Roy" wrote in message news:sgmfr6$p28$1@dont-email.me...

    On 8/31/2021 4:46 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
    I've been pondering this decision [this from the guardian, but it's been
    reported elsewhere]:

    People are not just flocking to agricultural outlets to buy the
    drugs –
    they’re waging legal battles in order to have the privilege of
    ingesting ivermectin. A judge in Ohio recently overruled hospital
    officials’ advice and ordered that a desperately ill Covid patient
    be
    treated with the drug after his wife brought a case arguing that he
    should have the right to give it a go.

    Now, I'm not arguing the patient's wish to use it. What I'm wondering is
    how this kind of court order aligns with malpractice. If they guy gets
    very very sick [perhaps dies] by screwing around with Ivermectic that the
    hospital tried to dissuade him from taking that, does he [or his heirs]
    have any recourse? I'm hoping the answer is "no" - that the "right to
    give
    it a go" means that *he* is now responsible for it.

    /Bernie\


    I am not sure then news got it all straight. As I understand it, another >doctor ordered the drug but the hospital refused to administer it.

    The doctor is Dr. Fred Wagshul, an Ohio physician who the lawsuit
    identifies as “one of the foremost experts on using Ivermectin in treating >COVID-19.”

    So any malpractice goes to Wagshul.

    The problem really unapproved usage. Unapproved use of an approved drug is >often called “off-label” use. This term can mean that the drug is: Used for
    a disease or medical condition that it is not approved to treat, such as
    when a chemotherapy is approved to treat one type of cancer, but healthcare >providers use it to treat a different type of cancer.

    Hydroxychloroquine for COVID falls into the same boat. The media was
    telling everyone it a dangerous drug. My wife has been on it for six years >for rheumatoid arthritis. It has been prescribed for RA for year and
    years.

    Reminds me a little bit of the controversy years ago over the use of DMSO (which is normally an industrial solvent) as off-brand treatment for
    arthritis. 60 Minutes had a major story about that way back when.

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