If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply that
they can carry them into restaurants? Are there states where
restaurants are excluded? (I ask because some pro-gun website listed specifically that carrying in restaurants was allowed.)

If the law allows bringing one's gun into a restaurant or any other
business, can the business owner post a No Guns sign that says that
"Anyone bringing a gun in will be charged with trespassing". Can that
be enforced?

It's impractical to require each gun carrier to be identified, told to
leave, and then charged when he doesn't leave. They will leave. The
problem is that they would be there with guns and not identified until something bad or about-to-be bad happens, and the owner wants them not
to even enter.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT), micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply that
they can carry them into restaurants?

No. If it is private property then they can set the rules for entry. The
only way it would be illegal is if they said White people can carry a gun
and black people can't.

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On October 4, Sam wrote:

If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply that
they can carry them into restaurants?

No. If it is private property then they can set the rules for entry. The
only way it would be illegal is if they said White people can carry a gun
and black people can't.

What if they said right handers can carry weapons, but not lefties?

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On 10/14/2023 1:39 AM, RichD wrote:

On October 4, Sam wrote:

If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply that
they can carry them into restaurants?

No. If it is private property then they can set the rules for entry. The
only way it would be illegal is if they said White people can carry a gun
and black people can't.

What if they said right handers can carry weapons, but not lefties?

That's not a "protected class", so it would probably be okay. But it's
quite possible that a law protecting lefties would be enacted within a
year or two if any significant number of places did it.

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On 10/14/2023 12:00 PM, Barry Gold wrote:

On 10/14/2023 1:39 AM, RichD wrote:

On October 4, Sam wrote:

If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply that >>>> they can carry them into restaurants?

No. If it is private property then they can set the rules for entry. The >>> only way it would be illegal is if they said White people can carry a
gun
and black people can't.

What if they said right handers can carry weapons, but not lefties?

That's not a "protected class", so it would probably be okay. But it's
quite possible that a law protecting lefties would be enacted within a
year or two if any significant number of places did it.

It might be a violation of the ADA. Being left handed could be
considered a disability. It could probably be done by rule change or
executive order.

"Anyone who is regarded as having a disability even if their life
activities are not substantially limited, such as a person with
adequately controlled diabetes or a facial disfigurement."

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On 10/14/2023 12:00 PM, Barry Gold wrote:

On 10/14/2023 1:39 AM, RichD wrote:

On October 4, Sam wrote:

If the law allows people to carry guns, doesnt' that already imply
that
they can carry them into restaurants?

No. If it is private property then they can set the rules for entry.
The
only way it would be illegal is if they said White people can carry a
gun
and black people can't.

What if they said right handers can carry weapons, but not lefties?

That's not a "protected class", so it would probably be okay. But it's
quite possible that a law protecting lefties would be enacted within a
year or two if any significant number of places did it.

It might be a violation of the ADA. Being left handed could be considered
a disability. It could probably be done by rule change or executive order.

"Anyone who is regarded as having a disability even if their life
activities are not substantially limited, such as a person with adequately >controlled diabetes or a facial disfigurement."

Just to be clear - the original question wasn't whether left-handers could
be excluded from the restaurant but whether left-handers could be excluded
from carrying a gun into the restaurant. Most guns are designed for right-handers, so I wonder if the restaurant could make a claim that a left-hander carrying what is probably a right-handed gun was somehow more of
a safety hazard than a rightie carrying a gun.

I also started thinking that maybe a rule against lefties carrying guns was some kind of metaphorical political statement - like, it's okay for right-handers, i.e., republicans, to carry guns, but not for lefties, i.e., democrats, to do so.

BTW, an ancillary problem here is how do you determine a person's
handedness, other than just asking them? Do you make them sign their name? Some people can sign their name with either hand. Some people - like me -
were born left-handed but forced to learn to write with the right-hand
because that's what schools did back in the early 50s.

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On 10/15/2023 2:29 PM, Rick wrote:

"...

Just to be clear - the original question wasn't whether left-handers
could be excluded from the restaurant but whether left-handers could be excluded from carrying a gun into the restaurant.  Most guns are
designed for right-handers, so I wonder if the restaurant could make a
claim that a left-hander carrying what is probably a right-handed gun
was somehow more of a safety hazard than a rightie carrying a gun.

I also started thinking that maybe a rule against lefties carrying guns
was some kind of metaphorical political statement - like, it's okay for right-handers, i.e., republicans, to carry guns, but not for lefties,
i.e., democrats, to do so.

BTW, an ancillary problem here is how do you determine a person's
handedness, other than just asking them?  Do you make them sign their
name? Some people can sign their name with either hand.  Some people -
like me - were born left-handed but forced to learn to write with the right-hand because that's what schools did back in the early 50s.

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Firearms are available in right, left, convertible, and ambidextrous
models. Convertible firearms have the ability to move some controls and
other features to either side.

As an example you can move the magazine ejection button on most Glocks
to either side.

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"Rick" <rick@nospam.com> wrote:

BTW, an ancillary problem here is how do you determine a person's
handedness, other than just asking them? Do you make them sign
their name? Some people can sign their name with either hand.
Some people - like me - were born left-handed but forced to learn
to write with the right-hand because that's what schools did back
in the early 50s.

Ask him to point his gun.

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http://DownToEarthLawyer.com


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