You've heard about the so-called reparations payments
to black folks. If it's all talk, no action, OK, let them foam.
But let's say it progresses (in Sacramento, anyway). What
that amounts to, is a tax on the whites, yellows, and
browns, handed over to blacks. Do they have recourse,
through the courts, if the legislature acts?
First, handing out gold on basis of race immediately
violates the 14th amendment. The looters can't lean
on that. But they justify via the 5th, arguing that it's
compensation for past harm. Is it so simple?
Any plaintiff who makes such a claim has to show harm,
and prove liability of a perpetrator, THROUGH THE TORTS
COURTS. The legislature cannot award such damages
and/or penalties.
Hence, the Assembly is constitutionally prohibited from
such action. If black folks believe they deserve something,
they have to follow due process, and name specific, provably
accountable defendants.
Can we count on legal challenges like this, if the politicos
carry out this threat?
--
Rich
But let's say it progresses (in Sacramento, anyway). What
that amounts to, is a tax on the whites, yellows, and
browns, handed over to blacks. Do they have recourse,
through the courts, if the legislature acts?
If the concept is to reward descendants of slavery in the US for
crimes committed by white people, how do we possibly determine
that? Many blacks came from other countries where they were not
subject to slavery. And many whites in this country are not
descendants of the whites who practiced slavery. A large
percentage of whites in this country, maybe a majority, have
ancestors who came from other countries where they themselves may
have been victims of oppression. If I am a white person who
escaped from a Communist dictatorship where I was oppressed and I
come to this country to get my freedom, how does it make any sense
that I should be punished because of crimes committed by white
people with whom I have no connection? More to the point, many
people have no idea of who their ancestors were or where they were
living in the 1860s. Even people who self-identify as blacks may
have limited knowledge about who their ancestors were or whether
they were acrtually US slaves.
The bottom line is that if even if reparations are viewed as
valuable and a good idea (and clearly many people do not view them
this way), the definitional problems alone are going to be
daunting. And I definitely don't think they will survive
constitutional challenges in the courts.
"Rick" <rick@nospam.com> wrote:
If the concept is to reward descendants of slavery in the US for
crimes committed by white people, how do we possibly determine
that? Many blacks came from other countries where they were not
subject to slavery. And many whites in this country are not
descendants of the whites who practiced slavery. A large
percentage of whites in this country, maybe a majority, have
ancestors who came from other countries where they themselves may
have been victims of oppression. If I am a white person who
escaped from a Communist dictatorship where I was oppressed and I
come to this country to get my freedom, how does it make any sense
that I should be punished because of crimes committed by white
people with whom I have no connection? More to the point, many
people have no idea of who their ancestors were or where they were
living in the 1860s. Even people who self-identify as blacks may
have limited knowledge about who their ancestors were or whether
they were acrtually US slaves.
It has been shown statistically that black people in the US,
particularly those descended from slaves, earn less money and have
been able to accumulate substantially less savings than others.
These are ongoing effects of both slavery and racism. While white
people don't have perfect lives, the lives of black people and other >minorities are significantly less perfect.
The bottom line is that if even if reparations are viewed as
valuable and a good idea (and clearly many people do not view them
this way), the definitional problems alone are going to be
daunting. And I definitely don't think they will survive
constitutional challenges in the courts.
Yes, not all black people suffer from the effects of slavery and
racism. Those who do may be identified in various ways.
Statisticians can figure that out - they do that kind of thing on a
daily basis.
To put it another way, if I am black, why should I receive a benefit
just because other people who are also black were victims of
discrimination? And if I am white, why should I pay for the sins of
other people who happened to also be white? To me, this is a clear
violation of equal protection.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 15:59:08 -0700, Rick wrote:
To put it another way, if I am black, why should I receive a benefit
just because other people who are also black were victims of
discrimination? And if I am white, why should I pay for the sins of
other people who happened to also be white? To me, this is a clear
violation of equal protection.
Why ?
Because without these rather arbitrary ways of dividing people, how on
earth is a decent fascist ever going to get elected ?
A large percentage of whites in this country, maybe a majority,
have ancestors who came from other countries where they themselves may have been victims of oppression. If I am a white person who escaped from a Communist dictatorship where I was oppressed and I come to this country to get my freedom, how does it make any sense that I should be punished because of crimes committed by white people with whom I have no connection?
A large percentage of whites in this country, maybe a majority,
have ancestors who came from other countries where they themselves may have been victims of oppression. If I am a white person who escaped from a Communist dictatorship where I was oppressed and I come to this country to get my freedom, how does it make any sense that I should be punished because of crimes committed by white people with whom I have no connection?
Let's call a spade a spade - this is black supremacism and hate.
This is a law forum, so let's check a recent case:
The culture of the reparations mob, in naked form.
I suggest a stiff shot of Johnny Walker black to brace yourself -
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=gJKhN2zgJoJVQi1ni3dxcg==
Use the Find function in your word processor, search for "white"
Let's call a spade a spade - this is black supremacism and hate.
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> said:
This is a law forum, so let's check a recent case:
The culture of the reparations mob, in naked form.
I suggest a stiff shot of Johnny Walker black to brace yourself -
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=gJKhN >>2zgJoJVQi1ni3dxcg==
Use the Find function in your word processor, search for "white"
Let's call a spade a spade - this is black supremacism and hate.
You sent a reference to the initial complaint in a case filed
three years ago, in which a woman in NYC asserted that she was
fired from a school job because she was white. Since then the case
has been moved from state to federal court, and the two sides have
been screwing around with discovery motions and time extensions,
and a request for summary judgement filed in June with paperwork
last filed in September and no substantive rulings.
The plaintiff's claims are just that, claims. None have been
evaluated by a court and if the record of this case so far is any
indication, none will be any time soon.
Got anything else?
But minorities are not fairly represented. So steps are sometimes
taken to level the playing field.
Might you be denied something seemingly because you are white?
Perhaps. But the chances are that you already have more
opportunites, more assets, more support, than the minority who got
the opportunity instead of you.
This is a law forum, so let's check a recent case:
The culture of the reparations mob, in naked form.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=gJKhN2zgJoJVQi1ni3dxcg==
Use the Find function in your word processor, search for "white"
You sent a reference to the initial complaint in a case filed three
years ago, in which a woman in NYC asserted that she was fired from a
school job because she was white. Since then the case has been moved
from state to federal court, and the two sides have been screwing
around with discovery motions and time extensions, and a request for
summary judgement filed in June with paperwork last filed in September
and no substantive rulings.
The plaintiff's claims are just that, claims. None have been evaluated
by a court and if the record of this case so far is any indication,
none will be any time soon.
Got anything else?
Got anything else?
https://ospi.k12.wa.us/sites/default/files/public/socialstudies/pubdocs/Math%20SDS%20ES%20Framework.pdf
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> said:
This is a law forum, so let's check a recent case:
The culture of the reparations mob, in naked form.
I suggest a stiff shot of Johnny Walker black to brace yourself -
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=gJKhN >>>2zgJoJVQi1ni3dxcg==
Use the Find function in your word processor, search for "white"
Let's call a spade a spade - this is black supremacism and hate.
You sent a reference to the initial complaint in a case filed
three years ago, in which a woman in NYC asserted that she was
fired from a school job because she was white. Since then the case
has been moved from state to federal court, and the two sides have
been screwing around with discovery motions and time extensions,
and a request for summary judgement filed in June with paperwork
last filed in September and no substantive rulings.
The plaintiff's claims are just that, claims. None have been
evaluated by a court and if the record of this case so far is any
indication, none will be any time soon.
Got anything else?
There have certainly been times when a white person has been denied
something that he would have gotten if there were no minority
candidates. But that's not the point.
The point is that, if there had been no discrimination against
minorities, and they were fairly represented already, that white
person likely would not have gotten that appointment anyway.
But minorities are not fairly represented. So steps are sometimes
taken to level the playing field.
Might you be denied something seemingly because you are white?
Perhaps. But the chances are that you already have more
opportunites, more assets, more support, than the minority who got
the opportunity instead of you. Allowing perpetuating racism by
saying that remedying racism is discrimination against white people
is simply racism covered by a misleading mask of anti-racism.
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