It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for and
being elected president.

How is the rest of the world to react to the prospect of dealing with a president who is serving a jail sentence ?

Seems the founding fathers missed a trick by requiring that anyone
standing for election also be eligible to vote in said election. Which
keeps our prisoners from becoming MPs.

I wonder why the oversight ? Slavery ?

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Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running
for and being elected president.

How is the rest of the world to react to the prospect of dealing
with a president who is serving a jail sentence ?

Seems the founding fathers missed a trick by requiring that anyone
standing for election also be eligible to vote in said election.
Which keeps our prisoners from becoming MPs.

I wonder why the oversight ? Slavery ?

There have been leaders of other countries who have served jail
terms. I think there are more but the two that spring to mind are
Germany and South Africa.

I guess the founding fathers had more faith in the electorate than
was apparently justified.


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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news:u6477k$1j81q$31@dont-email.me...

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for and >being elected president.

How is the rest of the world to react to the prospect of dealing with a >president who is serving a jail sentence ?

Seems the founding fathers missed a trick by requiring that anyone
standing for election also be eligible to vote in said election. Which
keeps our prisoners from becoming MPs.

I wonder why the oversight ? Slavery ?

Well there is a school of thought that says that if the electorate
collectively decide to elect someone who is a prisoner, the electorate kind
of gets what they deserve. I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same. I am also in the minority in thinking the likelihood he will even be nominated is much less
than people think. But in the unlikely event he somehow pulls it off while sitting in a jail cell, and if he somehow avoids being impeached or 25th Amendment-ed, then frankly I would agree the nation will get what it
deserves.

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Sun, 11 Jun 2023 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT),
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for and >being elected president.

How is the rest of the world to react to the prospect of dealing with a >president who is serving a jail sentence ?

Seems the founding fathers missed a trick by requiring that anyone
standing for election also be eligible to vote in said election. Which

Well, I think that is too strict a standard. At the start of the US
that would have prevented non-property-owners, women, and slaves from
being elected, and even people in jail for refusing to pay a fine "50
dollars or 30 days in jail."

Did you knwo that the Speaker of the House of Representatives doesn't
even have to be a member of the House of Reps?

keeps our prisoners from becoming MPs.

When was this rule created? The US Constitution was written 236 years
ago by Joe Biden's friend Jimmy Madison.

I wonder why the oversight ? Slavery ?

I guess if I would finally read the Federalist Papers I might be able to
answer this. Oversight? Over-optimisim?

I personally believe Nixon knew in advance about the plan to burglarize
the Watergate and Dr. Fielding's office (the psychiatrist of the leaker
of iirc the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, hoping I guesss to find
stuff that made him look crazy and somehow that would weaken the meaning
or importance of the Pentagon Papers, even though it wouldn't.) As bad
as these are, they don't involve national defense or allowing spies to
see our secrets. (there have been at least one apparent spy at Mar a
Lago although iirc they couldn't prove it and they let her go (while he
was president) A young Chinese woman carrying two cell phones and a
bunch of flash drives, who had some flimsy story why she was there. I
guess she hadn't found anything to photograph or copy or they woudl have
found it on her devices. )

Nixon had iirc 2 opponents for Senator, Helen Gahagan Douglas and one
other. He called one of them a communist. Someone later pointed out
that she wasn't one, and he said, roughly, Of course not, but that's
the way the game is played.

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I am not a lawyer.

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On 11/06/2023 17:35, Jethro_uk wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for and being elected president.

How is the rest of the world to react to the prospect of dealing with a president who is serving a jail sentence ?

There is nothing unusual in leaders being investigated, and sometimes
charged and convicted for nefarious activity. And it's not just the USA
I'm referring to. We have Boris over here, and now Nicola Sturgeon in
Scotland. Let's not forget Nicolas Sarkozy in France, and Silvio
Berlusconi in Italy (whose death has just been announced).

As Friedrich Hayek might have said (<https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Friedrich_Hayek#Unsourced>):
"In government, the scum rises to the top."

Seems the founding fathers missed a trick by requiring that anyone
standing for election also be eligible to vote in said election. Which
keeps our prisoners from becoming MPs.

I wonder why the oversight ? Slavery ?

Perhaps they were looking into their futures. Or is that too cynical a view?

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:19:09 -0700, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 11/06/2023 17:35, Jethro_uk wrote:

[quoted text muted]

There is nothing unusual in leaders being investigated, and sometimes
charged and convicted for nefarious activity.

I'm not talking about after (or before) "the event". I am talking
specifically about a situation where a convicted criminal can act as Head
of State whilst serving their time.

As a historical hypothetical, what would have been the situation had
Richard Nixon not resigned and been charged and convicted instead ?

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news:u67pct$1j81q$35@dont-email.me...

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:19:09 -0700, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 11/06/2023 17:35, Jethro_uk wrote:

[quoted text muted]

There is nothing unusual in leaders being investigated, and sometimes
charged and convicted for nefarious activity.

I'm not talking about after (or before) "the event". I am talking >specifically about a situation where a convicted criminal can act as Head
of State whilst serving their time.

As a historical hypothetical, what would have been the situation had
Richard Nixon not resigned and been charged and convicted instead ?

Even without being formally charged (he was the infamous unindicted co-conspirator), Nixon was already on his way to being removed from office. Once the so-called smoking gun tape was revealed to the public, he no longer had the votes to beat impeachment. That was the reason he resigned.

In Trump's case, it is not yet clear whether he would continue to have
enough support in the Senate to beat impeachment. He was able to beat impeachment twice in cases where he hadn't been charged with anything. Once the criminal cases start piling up against him, I think he will have a hard time being nominated, much less elected, so I think it will be a moot point.

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On 6/12/2023 12:32 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:19:09 -0700, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 11/06/2023 17:35, Jethro_uk wrote:

[quoted text muted]

There is nothing unusual in leaders being investigated, and sometimes
charged and convicted for nefarious activity.

I'm not talking about after (or before) "the event". I am talking specifically about a situation where a convicted criminal can act as Head
of State whilst serving their time.

As a historical hypothetical, what would have been the situation had
Richard Nixon not resigned and been charged and convicted instead ?

Congress was set to impeach him and probably convict him. If he'd tried
in a federal District Court, he probably would have been fined and put
on probation. If the judge imposed a prison term, his secret service
detail would probably go into prison with him.


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On 12/06/2023 20:32, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:19:09 -0700, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 11/06/2023 17:35, Jethro_uk wrote:

[quoted text muted]

There is nothing unusual in leaders being investigated, and sometimes
charged and convicted for nefarious activity.

I'm not talking about after (or before) "the event". I am talking specifically about a situation where a convicted criminal can act as Head
of State whilst serving their time.

As a historical hypothetical, what would have been the situation had
Richard Nixon not resigned and been charged and convicted instead ?

From <https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931>

"A Trump electoral victory from behind bars would open a constitutional
can of worms, but the general view among legal scholars is that the need
for a duly elected president to fulfill the duties of office would
override a criminal conviction and require the sentence to at least be
put on hold."

If that is the case, it looks like Nixon would have been allowed to
continue as president until his term of office ended.

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On June 11, Rick wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for and
being elected president.

I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same.

What if the judge declares him a flight risk, and denies bail?
Would he have trouble finding asylum? China has no
extradition treaty with USA -

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RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

Rick wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from
running for and being elected president.

I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same.

What if the judge declares him a flight risk, and denies bail?
Would he have trouble finding asylum? China has no
extradition treaty with USA -

My guess is that Russia doesn't either.

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http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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"RichD" wrote in message news:ff76b2e5-2b3f-45c9-8834-a6cce6f60a3en@googlegroups.com...

On June 11, Rick wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for
and
being elected president.

I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same.

What if the judge declares him a flight risk, and denies bail?
Would he have trouble finding asylum? China has no
extradition treaty with USA -

He'd probably prefer Russia, but they don't have a treaty either. With no previous criminal record, it's hard to imagine Trump being labeled a flight risk.

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 21 Jun 2023 20:32:18 -0700 (PDT),
"Rick" <rick@nospam.com> wrote:

"RichD" wrote in message >news:ff76b2e5-2b3f-45c9-8834-a6cce6f60a3en@googlegroups.com...

On June 11, Rick wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for
and
being elected president.

I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same.

What if the judge declares him a flight risk, and denies bail?
Would he have trouble finding asylum? China has no
extradition treaty with USA -

***

He'd probably prefer Russia, but they don't have a treaty either. With no >previous criminal record, it's hard to imagine Trump being labeled a flight >risk.

With all the advances in communication of the last 140 years, if he can
be president while in jail, surely he can be president while in China or Russia. It would be a public relations coup for either of them, and for
him it would again prove that he can make a deal. They might even build
him a little white house.

***But aiui, to keep him from fleeing, an unnamed party has been
assigned to remove the spark plug wires from his plane.

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I am not a lawyer.

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"micky" wrote in message news:s8h79ilvd1gssr29n4rpuiduvmf9ba7tp6@4ax.com...

In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 21 Jun 2023 20:32:18 -0700 (PDT),
"Rick" <rick@nospam.com> wrote:

"RichD" wrote in message >>news:ff76b2e5-2b3f-45c9-8834-a6cce6f60a3en@googlegroups.com...

On June 11, Rick wrote:

It seems there is nothing stopping a convicted felon from running for >>>>> and
being elected president.

I personally think it is highly unlikely Trump
can be elected if he is sitting in jail or close to same.

What if the judge declares him a flight risk, and denies bail?
Would he have trouble finding asylum? China has no
extradition treaty with USA -

***

He'd probably prefer Russia, but they don't have a treaty either. With no >>previous criminal record, it's hard to imagine Trump being labeled a
flight
risk.

With all the advances in communication of the last 140 years, if he can
be president while in jail, surely he can be president while in China or >Russia. It would be a public relations coup for either of them, and for
him it would again prove that he can make a deal. They might even build
him a little white house.

***But aiui, to keep him from fleeing, an unnamed party has been
assigned to remove the spark plug wires from his plane.

If he did somehow manage to flee the country as president, he would almost certainly be removed from office. Even his die-hard supporters in the
Senate would likely abandon him at that point, as Nixon's did back in 1974.

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micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

With all the advances in communication of the last 140 years, if
he can be president while in jail, surely he can be president
while in China or Russia. It would be a public relations coup for
either of them, and for him it would again prove that he can make
a deal. They might even build him a little white house.

I just read that some Secret Service agents may soon be charged with
crimes involving January 6. So there will be SS agents already in
prison, who can protect Trump.

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http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 22 Jun 2023 11:21:58 -0700 (PDT),
"Stuart O. Bronstein" <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

With all the advances in communication of the last 140 years, if
he can be president while in jail, surely he can be president
while in China or Russia. It would be a public relations coup for
either of them, and for him it would again prove that he can make
a deal. They might even build him a little white house.

I just read that some Secret Service agents may soon be charged with
crimes involving January 6.

For deleting their texts from that day. And they should be. So-called
law enforcement agents violating the law and even if it weren't against
the law, which it is, hiding the truth.

Anything in addition to deleting the texts?

So there will be SS agents already in
prison, who can protect Trump.

LOL They are probably his supporters and if anything, would try harder
than someone who is neutral or anti-.

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I am not a lawyer.

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