• Responsibility on the all parts of the exectuve

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 08:53:53 2023
    Gov. DeSantis has said he would not cooperate in sending trump to NY,
    despite his obligation to do so under Article IV, Section 2 of the constitution.

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and
    Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who
    shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand
    of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered
    up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime."

    But as written, once a demand has been received, isn't this an
    obligation of the entire executive authority of the state, so if
    Cesantis won't act, could any lt. governor, AG, mayor, assistent mayor, sheriff, police chief, sheriff or police deputy, traffic engineer,
    sanitation worker, lifeguard, etc. take it upon himself to find trump,
    take him to the airport, and put him on a plane bound for NYC?

    Perhaps doing this just before the plane leaves so DeSantis won't
    interfere. He could pay the fare himself and then seek reimbursement
    from NY County, which I'm sure would reimburse him since it would cost
    so much less than sending 2 policemen to Florida.

    In some cases, his supervisor might try to punish him for this, though
    I'm not sure on what basis. Plus some supervisors would be proud of him
    and if not, perhaps he's ready to retire or look for another job anyhow,
    or go on the lecture circuit. ("75 minutes to midnight. Taking trump to
    Ft. Lauderdale Airport")


    It's amazing to me that DeSantis tells us in advance that he will ignore
    the US Constitution when he feels like it, especially when he wouldn't
    have had to extradite him in the first place. Since trump has said he's
    going voluntarily (though 4 days later than they wanted him to. The
    trump side concocted a story that the Secret Service couldn't get ready
    by Friday morning.)

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Apr 3 09:13:16 2023
    On 4/3/2023 8:53 AM, micky wrote:
    Gov. DeSantis has said he would not cooperate in sending trump to NY,
    despite his obligation to do so under Article IV, Section 2 of the constitution.

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who
    shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand
    of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered
    up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime."

    But as written, once a demand has been received, isn't this an
    obligation of the entire executive authority of the state, so if
    Cesantis won't act, could any lt. governor, AG, mayor, assistent mayor, sheriff, police chief, sheriff or police deputy, traffic engineer,
    sanitation worker, lifeguard, etc. take it upon himself to find trump,
    take him to the airport, and put him on a plane bound for NYC?

    Perhaps doing this just before the plane leaves so DeSantis won't
    interfere. He could pay the fare himself and then seek reimbursement
    from NY County, which I'm sure would reimburse him since it would cost
    so much less than sending 2 policemen to Florida.

    In some cases, his supervisor might try to punish him for this, though
    I'm not sure on what basis. Plus some supervisors would be proud of him
    and if not, perhaps he's ready to retire or look for another job anyhow,
    or go on the lecture circuit. ("75 minutes to midnight. Taking trump to
    Ft. Lauderdale Airport")


    It's amazing to me that DeSantis tells us in advance that he will ignore
    the US Constitution when he feels like it, especially when he wouldn't
    have had to extradite him in the first place. Since trump has said he's going voluntarily (though 4 days later than they wanted him to. The
    trump side concocted a story that the Secret Service couldn't get ready
    by Friday morning.)



    Law and Order had an episode where the judge in California voided the extradition order from NY as being insufficient so it isn't guaranteed 100%

    I would prefer we minimize the politics of the group

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Apr 4 15:50:55 2023
    "micky" wrote in message news:aqpk2i5cgmn9tn3r4fg2lol9bkdt7f1jn1@4ax.com...

    Gov. DeSantis has said he would not cooperate in sending trump to NY,
    despite his obligation to do so under Article IV, Section 2 of the >constitution.

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and >Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who
    shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand
    of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered
    up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime."

    But as written, once a demand has been received, isn't this an
    obligation of the entire executive authority of the state, so if
    Cesantis won't act, could any lt. governor, AG, mayor, assistent mayor, >sheriff, police chief, sheriff or police deputy, traffic engineer,
    sanitation worker, lifeguard, etc. take it upon himself to find trump,
    take him to the airport, and put him on a plane bound for NYC?

    Perhaps doing this just before the plane leaves so DeSantis won't
    interfere. He could pay the fare himself and then seek reimbursement
    from NY County, which I'm sure would reimburse him since it would cost
    so much less than sending 2 policemen to Florida.

    In some cases, his supervisor might try to punish him for this, though
    I'm not sure on what basis. Plus some supervisors would be proud of him
    and if not, perhaps he's ready to retire or look for another job anyhow,
    or go on the lecture circuit. ("75 minutes to midnight. Taking trump to
    Ft. Lauderdale Airport")


    It's amazing to me that DeSantis tells us in advance that he will ignore
    the US Constitution when he feels like it, especially when he wouldn't
    have had to extradite him in the first place. Since trump has said he's >going voluntarily (though 4 days later than they wanted him to. The
    trump side concocted a story that the Secret Service couldn't get ready
    by Friday morning.)


    I'm pretty sure DeSantis knew Trump was turning himself in voluntarily, so I think his comment that he would refuse an extradition request was just political talk.

    Had Trump actually refused to turn himself and NY actually made an
    extradition request, it's hard for me to believe DeSantis would just
    outright refuse it. At that point, Trump would technically be considered a fugitive, and according to Wikipedia:

    "There are only four grounds upon which the governor of the asylum state may deny another state's request for extradition:

    1. the extradition documents facially are not in order;
    2. the person has not been charged with a crime in the demanding state;
    3. the person is not the person named in the extradition documents; or
    4. the person is not a fugitive.

    There appears to be at least one additional exception: if the fugitive is
    under sentence in the asylum state, he need not be extradited until his punishment in the asylum state is completed."

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/2p99ntcp



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