Does the law requiring the Secret Service to provide round the clock
protection for an ex-president have any provision for the ex-president being sent to prison? Even if Trump is convicted and sent to some minimum
security or "country club" type prison, it's hard to envision the infrastructure changes required to accommodate a Secret Service detail.
Under these circumstances, is it possible he could be convicted and
sentenced to some kind of home confinement complete with ankle monitor?

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On 3/22/2023 8:39 AM, Rick wrote:

Does the law requiring the Secret Service to provide round the clock protection for an ex-president have any provision for the ex-president
being
sent to prison?  Even if Trump is convicted and sent to some minimum security or "country club" type prison, it's hard to envision the infrastructure changes required to accommodate a Secret Service detail.
Under these circumstances, is it possible he could be convicted and
sentenced to some kind of home confinement complete with ankle monitor?

His residences are more secure than a minimum security facility

Last year's upgrade

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-club-in-palm-beach-gets-a-dollar600000-security-upgrade-at-taxpayer-expense

The BOP says:

"Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps
(FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio,
and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented."

I realize most of the security upgrades are for keeping people out of
his residence. It is somewhat hard to think of him "escaping". If he
is in his residence, I wonder if he could still golf :-)

As a comparison, Martha Stewart was convicted of several felonies and
went to a minimum security facility for five months. Wikipedia says

"After a highly publicized six-week jury trial, Stewart was found guilty
in March 2004 of felony charges of conspiracy to obstruct, of
obstruction of an agency proceeding, and of making false statements to
federal investigators and was sentenced in July 2004 to serve a
five-month term in a federal correctional facility and a two-year period
of supervised release (including five months of electronic monitoring)."

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being
banned on running for federal office.

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According to Roy <montanawolf@outlook.com>:

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being
banned on running for federal office.

Sure, but the only way to do that is through impeachment.

The people who wrote the Constitution clearly did not anticipate that
a sitting or former President would be convicted of crimes.

R's,
John
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"Roy" wrote in message news:tvfcf2$n59t$1@dont-email.me...

On 3/22/2023 8:39 AM, Rick wrote:

Does the law requiring the Secret Service to provide round the clock
protection for an ex-president have any provision for the ex-president
being
sent to prison? Even if Trump is convicted and sent to some minimum
security or "country club" type prison, it's hard to envision the
infrastructure changes required to accommodate a Secret Service detail.
Under these circumstances, is it possible he could be convicted and
sentenced to some kind of home confinement complete with ankle monitor?

His residences are more secure than a minimum security facility

Last year's upgrade

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-club-in-palm-beach-gets-a-dollar600000-security-upgrade-at-taxpayer-expense

The BOP says:

"Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), >have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited >or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and
program-oriented."

I realize most of the security upgrades are for keeping people out of his >residence. It is somewhat hard to think of him "escaping". If he is in
his residence, I wonder if he could still golf :-)

As a comparison, Martha Stewart was convicted of several felonies and went
to a minimum security facility for five months. Wikipedia says

"After a highly publicized six-week jury trial, Stewart was found guilty in >March 2004 of felony charges of conspiracy to obstruct, of obstruction of
an agency proceeding, and of making false statements to federal
investigators and was sentenced in July 2004 to serve a five-month term in
a federal correctional facility and a two-year period of supervised release >(including five months of electronic monitoring)."

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being banned
on running for federal office.

The last part still surprises me. I would think the last thing Dems should want is for Trump to be banned from holding office again. Trump got lucky
in 2016 because he was perceived as a political outsider and he was running against Hillary Clinton, who was wildly unpopular among moderates. Many
voters just didn't like Clinton and gave Trump the benefit of the doubt.
Trump is now highly tainted by all the charges, as well as by the way he
came across as president, and it's hard to see him ever getting the moderate vote again. He has a small, very vocal group of supporters, but I think
many republicans and especially moderates consider him an embarrassment who
can never be elected again. Sure, he gets public support from many
high-level republican leaders, but privately I think most senior people in
the GOP would actually love to see his banned for life. And their public posture notwithstanding, I think many democrats privately want to see him
run again.

Getting back to the original question, I can see how the kind of charges
being considered against Trump could legitimately result in home confinement (even confinement at one of his golf courses) -- but I still wonder what
would happen if an ex-president or, indeed, anyone with secret service protection, is convicted of a major capital offense like murder. If
someone with SS protection is convicted of murder (perhaps for a crime committed before the SS protection began), what do we thing would happen?

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On 3/22/2023 12:03 PM, John Levine wrote:

According to Roy <montanawolf@outlook.com>:

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being
banned on running for federal office.

Sure, but the only way to do that is through impeachment.

The people who wrote the Constitution clearly did not anticipate that
a sitting or former President would be convicted of crimes.

R's,
John

One other thing we seem to be forgetting is that this is a Manhattan DA
and not a federal prosecutor.

If there was an indictment there would would be a NY state trial and not federal. Any incarceration would be in New York so discussions about
federal prison, etc is not applicable. The rules on which prison system
(NYC or State) would be used aren't that clear Somehow I don't see him
at Riker's island.

For house arrest, Mr Trump does have several residences in NY state.
Residences below. Trump Tower was an official presidential residence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residences_of_Donald_Trump

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 22 Mar 2023 10:05:23 -0700 (PDT), Roy <montanawolf@outlook.com> wrote:

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being
banned on running for federal office.

Hardly. This Democrat wants him to serve time in prison. For all the
charges, at least 3 years IN prison.

And absolutely not one of current homes. That's out of the question.
If he's still entitled to SS protection and it's too hard to do it at
SingSing, he can have a one-room cottage, with a bed, a toilet, a
shower, a sink, a lamp, and a microwave. If other prisoners get a
fridge he can have a little fridge.

Cottages like this already exist on the grounds of some prisons and if
none does, one can be built in 2 weeks.

I also don't want him running for federal office and I thibnk Rick is
totally wrong whehn he thinks Dems should want not want him to be
banned. . “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of
the American people.” H.L. Mencken, and he's probably right. If he has
4 other Reps running against him in the primaries, they will split the anti-trump vote and he'll, G-d forbid, be nominated. Then he'll come
with 100 lies about the Democrats, the country and the world and might
win again. Then he will pardon all the convicted 1/6 rioters and he'll
pardon himself.


As dictatorial as DeSantis is, he's still better than trump.

And John is wrong about impeachment being the only way to ban him. All
the southern soldiers who wouldn't re-swear allegiance were banned based
on the 14?th Amendment by their acts. A conviction for seditious
rebellion on jan 6 is equivalent.

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 22 Mar 2023 12:56:30 -0700 (PDT), Roy <montanawolf@outlook.com> wrote:

If there was an indictment there would would be a NY state trial and not >federal. Any incarceration would be in New York so discussions about
federal prison, etc is not applicable. The rules on which prison system
(NYC or State) would be used aren't that clear Somehow I don't see him
at Riker's island.

Rikers Island is only for sentences under 1 year.

Since Michael Cohen got 3 years, trump should get as much, except for
the fact that Cohen pled or was convicted of some things that don't
apply to trump. I don't know the details. But trump will get
substantially more than a year.

I llved in Brooklyn for 12 years and there is no way any NY prosecutor
or judge will let him serve his time in his own home. Not unless he
can come up with a new contagious disease.

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Roy <montanawolf@outlook.com> writes:

One other thing we seem to be forgetting is that this is a Manhattan DA
and not a federal prosecutor.

The federal Bureau of Prisons houses various state-convicted
inmates; usually ones that are at risk/highly nortorious. They
have limited single-person cells, with one exception:
ADX Florence, CO. where BOP holds:

Terry Nichols
Eric Rudolph
Robert Hanssen
Harold Nicholson
Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán

It's considered the safest facility for inmates potentially
at risk by other inmates.
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In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 22 Mar 2023 22:15:39 -0700 (PDT), micky <misc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I think the only thing that Democrats really want is Mr Trump being
banned on running for federal office.

Hardly. This Democrat wants him to serve time in prison. For all the >charges, at least 3 years IN prison.

One year I could do standing on my head.
A second year, I'd just be catching up on my important reading.
So 3 years is the minimum in order for there to be some punishment.

But for the seven step plan to steal the election, culminating** in the
Jan 6 riot, he should serve 20 years. In other countries, he'd be
hanged, and I wouldn't ojbect to that.

**Not quite culminating. Even after the riot, 2/3rd of Republicans
voted not to certify the electoral count, the direct result of his lies.
(He said 6 months before the election that if he lost, it would be
because the election was stolen. How did he know in advance? When he
didn't win an Emmy, he said that election was rigged.

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