• Design Patent Question -- Well Known Puzzle Concept, Different Design E

    From =?UTF-8?B?6ZW355S6?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 08:01:42 2017
    I have a general question about design patents, which I suppose will basically apply to any country or jurisdiction.

    Suppose there is a ubiquitously well known puzzle, something like the Rubix Cube or Instant Insanity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_Insanity), and someone applies for a design patent on the same puzzle, the same concept, but modifies the colors
    or the designs applied to the specific facets of the puzzle.

    So, for example, suppose somebody took the Rubix Cube, and decided that different colors, or different textures or shapes, or different images (e.g., one face with rock stars, one face with dogs, one face with cats, etc.), and suppose there were no
    novelty objections against it, would that be patentable as a design patent? Or would the original Rubix cube be defeating prior art?

    It seems to me it should not be patentable, even as a design.

    What would be the arguments on both sides? Are there any presidential decisions on this topic?

    Just on a moral level, it seems wrong that a design patent should be granted in such a case, even if there were individual design features that might seem novel and non-obvious in isolation, the background on which all of this is painted is a well known
    age-old concept, which subsumes the majority of what the idea is.

    Some help, some ideas and direction, would be greatly appreciated.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 2 13:11:09 2017
    On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:01:42 -0700 (PDT), ?? wrote...

    I have a general question about design patents, which I suppose will basically apply to any country or jurisdiction.

    Outside the USA, most countries don't call them "design patents". A
    more usual name is "registered design". The reason I mention that is
    because it can lead to misunderstandings if you think of them in the
    same way as patents for inventions ("utility patents" as they are called
    in the USA).

    Registered designs / design patents only protect the novel *ornamental*
    aspects of a product; its appearance, not its function or construction.
    So they are quite distinct from patents for inventions or utility
    patents. If you keep that distinction in mind, it should answer your
    questions below.


    Suppose there is a ubiquitously well known puzzle, something like the Rubix Cube or Instant Insanity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_Insanity), and someone applies for a design patent on the same puzzle, the same concept, but modifies the colors
    or the designs applied to the specific facets of the puzzle.

    So, for example, suppose somebody took the Rubix Cube, and decided that different colors, or different textures or shapes, or different images (e.g., one face with rock stars, one face with dogs, one face with cats, etc.), and suppose there were no
    novelty objections against it, would that be patentable as a design patent? Or would the original Rubix cube be defeating prior art?

    It seems to me it should not be patentable, even as a design.

    What would be the arguments on both sides? Are there any presidential decisions on this topic?

    Since a registered design / design patent is only concerned with the
    appearance of the product, not the functional aspects, then what counts
    is just the novelty of its appearance. It's irrelevant whether the
    function and construction are novel, since it's not going to give any protection for those aspects.


    Just on a moral level, it seems wrong that a design patent should be granted in such a case, even if there were individual design features that might seem novel and non-obvious in isolation, the background on which all of this is painted is a well
    known age-old concept, which subsumes the majority of what the idea is.

    It doesn't subsume the idea behind the age-old concept, since it's
    giving no protection for that. So there's nothing immoral about it. It doesn't stop anybody from making the same puzzle with completely
    different ornamentation, or with no ornamentation.

    --
    Tim Jackson
    news@timjackson.invalid
    (Change '.invalid' to '.plus.com' to reply direct)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)