• Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?

    From Hactar@21:1/5 to Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net on Thu Mar 17 17:56:20 2016
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    In article <O4CdnbpwhIuglHbLnZ2dnUU7-dfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Jeff Wisnia <Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    superdanfriend@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 9:00:00 PM UTC-10, Carl Fink wrote:
    Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
    controls: "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
    minutes."

    Why not? What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
    later?
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    1999?

    I'm pretty sure that's because the compressor is looking out into a line which still has high pressure in it and is likely to "stall" when turned
    on because it doesn't have the "running inertia" to pump past that pressure.

    Waiting a couple of minutes lets the trapped high pressure bleed off
    into the evaporator coil through the capillary tube or orifice so the compressor can start spinning again without stalling.

    Same as starting a hot finicky car with a weak battery. Heat makes the
    piston rings expand, which makes a better seal in the cylinders, so the cylinder pressure is higher, which makes the engine harder to crank.

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  • From Jeff Wisnia@21:1/5 to Hactar on Thu Mar 17 19:31:43 2016
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    Hactar wrote:
    In article <O4CdnbpwhIuglHbLnZ2dnUU7-dfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Jeff Wisnia <Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    superdanfriend@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 9:00:00 PM UTC-10, Carl Fink wrote:
    Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
    controls: "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
    minutes."

    Why not? What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
    later?
    --
    Carl Fink carlf@dm.net
    Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
    <http://dm.net>

    1999?

    I'm pretty sure that's because the compressor is looking out into a line
    which still has high pressure in it and is likely to "stall" when turned
    on because it doesn't have the "running inertia" to pump past that pressure. >>
    Waiting a couple of minutes lets the trapped high pressure bleed off
    into the evaporator coil through the capillary tube or orifice so the
    compressor can start spinning again without stalling.

    Same as starting a hot finicky car with a weak battery. Heat makes the piston rings expand, which makes a better seal in the cylinders, so the cylinder pressure is higher, which makes the engine harder to crank.

    Agreed. And one thing I miss from my teen aged years when almost
    everybody had a manual transmission car was the ability to "push start"
    a car with an almost fully dead battery.

    I also miss the days when car bumpers were just that and you could push
    start a car using a running car. Or if there was something really wrong
    with your car beyond a weak battery your buddy could push your dead car
    with his live one and get you home.

    Try that nowadays and you're looking at a BIG repair bill for the crappy plastic bumpers on both cars.

    Jeff
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  • From Hactar@21:1/5 to Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net on Thu Mar 17 22:01:55 2016
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    In article <TYKdnbTGtsj_o3bLnZ2dnUU7-a3NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Jeff Wisnia <Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    Hactar wrote:
    In article <O4CdnbpwhIuglHbLnZ2dnUU7-dfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Jeff Wisnia <Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    superdanfriend@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 9:00:00 PM UTC-10, Carl Fink wrote:
    Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
    controls: "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
    minutes."

    Why not? What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
    later?

    1999?

    I'm pretty sure that's because the compressor is looking out into a line >> which still has high pressure in it and is likely to "stall" when turned >> on because it doesn't have the "running inertia" to pump past that pressure.

    Waiting a couple of minutes lets the trapped high pressure bleed off
    into the evaporator coil through the capillary tube or orifice so the
    compressor can start spinning again without stalling.

    Same as starting a hot finicky car with a weak battery. Heat makes the piston rings expand, which makes a better seal in the cylinders, so the cylinder pressure is higher, which makes the engine harder to crank.

    Agreed. And one thing I miss from my teen aged years when almost
    everybody had a manual transmission car was the ability to "push start"
    a car with an almost fully dead battery.

    I once pushstarted a car by myself. To be fair, it was a two-door
    Corolla. I had left the dome light on for a day or so and the battery
    didn't take kindly to that.

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  • From Greg Goss@21:1/5 to Hactar on Thu Mar 17 22:07:05 2016
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    ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:
    Jeff Wisnia <Jwisnia18@DUMPTHIScomcast.net> wrote:

    Agreed. And one thing I miss from my teen aged years when almost
    everybody had a manual transmission car was the ability to "push start"
    a car with an almost fully dead battery.

    I once pushstarted a car by myself. To be fair, it was a two-door
    Corolla. I had left the dome light on for a day or so and the battery
    didn't take kindly to that.

    My first car had a starter problem. For the last few months I owned
    it, I would have to push start it every time. I lived near a hill,
    and parked well up the hill.

    The car was very lightweight, especially for 1970. One time I got to
    the bottom of the hill unstarted and had to push the car back up the
    hill.

    The car was also very free-rolling. At supermarkets etc, I would push
    it up to speed pushing on the driver's doorframe while holding the
    steering wheel. Then I would jump in, clutch and shove it into
    second, then drive away.

    So I solo-started the car probably a few hundred times before giving
    up on that car.
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  • From Hactar@21:1/5 to snidely.too@gmail.com on Sat Mar 19 12:51:15 2016
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    In article <mn.95627e0320cee8e2.127094@snitoo>,
    Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, Jeff Wisnia exclaimed wildly:

    snidely.too@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 4:31:47 PM UTC-7, Jeff Wisnia wrote:


    I also miss the days when car bumpers were just that and you could push >>> start a car using a running car. Or if there was something really wrong >>> with your car beyond a weak battery your buddy could push your dead car >>> with his live one and get you home.

    Try that nowadays and you're looking at a BIG repair bill for the crappy >>> plastic bumpers on both cars.

    Cars these days don't have plastic bumpers, they have metal bumpers with >> plastic shrouds. And you can push as long as the right parts of
    the shroud
    line up.

    Old style bumpers probably only worked once for anything more than a kiss, >> judging by the behaviour of my 1963 Bug (comparing front and back).

    1963 is prolly too late. I was referring to "pre war cars". WWII that is. Many had vertically flat bumpers which could push similar bumpers on
    another
    car without significant damage.

    It was the lining up, not the bumper design itself, I'd wager.

    I've seen pictures of people using spare tires to solve a mismatch.

    Make sure neither car has a highly curved bumper (e.g. VW Beetle) or you
    may end up pushing on the wheel not the tire.

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