Not so the reverse though. My friend's ignition key wouldn't turn the
lock in the other fellow's car at the hotel and as it was a Sunday the
hotel had a heck of a time finding a locksmith who would come over and fashion a key to permit that car to start and be taken home. They
finally did hours later, and the hotel had one of their employees drive
to New Jersey to return my friend's keys and pick up and then return the other fellow's keys to his home.
Jeff Wisnia <jwisnia18DUMPTHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
ANMCCAFF@alum.wpi.edu wrote:"key" as opposed to "valet key." A lot of cars come with two keys,
Nahh, they're actually dirt common, although generally just called
one that will open the drivers side door, and work the igition, but
nothing else, and another tha'll open everything. I've also seen keys
that will open the car, but won't start it.
Vehicle Special Order program will (or would, dunno if it's still
True masters for multiple cars aren't unheard of, either. Ford's
around) master key a whole fleet, sometimes with different
sub-masters. So, for instance, a dock worker could open the box of a delivery truck, but not start it, and a contact truck could have a
limited number of keys that would let it work with disabled vehicles
even if the driver wasn't present with his key.
Yes, silly of me not to consider those valet keys, since SWMBO and I
have them for our cars and do use them when we leave the cars at hotels
or restaurants with valet parking.
My 93 Metro had a valet key, which I thought was pointless on a
hatchback. I think I've had previous cars (80 Colt?) where the valet
key could open the door, then the cable release would open the trunk.
I don't think that valet keys are fully thought out sometimes.
I never understood the US cars of my youth where there was a different
key for the ignition than for the doors and trunk. The Japanese by
then were on a universal key plus a valet key, but it took Detroit
another DECADE to master the idea of one key for the door and the
ignition.
On Sun, 8 May 2016 19:44:11 -0400, ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar)
wrote:
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
My 93 Metro had a valet key, which I thought was pointless on a
hatchback. I think I've had previous cars (80 Colt?) where the valet
key could open the door, then the cable release would open the trunk.
I don't think that valet keys are fully thought out sometimes.
I never understood the US cars of my youth where there was a different
key for the ignition than for the doors and trunk. The Japanese by
then were on a universal key plus a valet key, but it took Detroit
another DECADE to master the idea of one key for the door and the
ignition.
The story I've heard is that the early American cars sucked so much that >once you got them started you didn't want to turn them off to use the
same key to open the trunk, ...
What you heard was nonsense.
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o70khhj.pminews@192.168.0.6>,
"Lesmond" <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
My current car makes it impossible to lock your keys inside, but you reminded me of my last car. It came with a plastic key that would unlock your door if you left your keys inside. It had a a little magnetic holder. The day I bought the car, I stuck that behind my rear license plate.
I will bet you that it's not impossible. If it's like mine. For mine, if
you leave the keys in the ignition, and push the door lock on the door,
the door won't lock. However, I think that
1. If you leave your keys on the seat, then exit the door, pushing the
door lock and close the door, your keys will be locked in your car.
2. If you leave your keys in the ignition, with the car running, and
out of gear, then exit the car, push the door lock and close the door,
your keys WBLIYC.
On Sun, 15 May 2016 20:40:01 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o70khhj.pminews@192.168.0.6>,
"Lesmond" <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
My current car makes it impossible to lock your keys inside, but you
reminded me of my last car. It came with a plastic key that would unlock >> your door if you left your keys inside. It had a a little magnetic holder.
The day I bought the car, I stuck that behind my rear license plate.
I will bet you that it's not impossible. If it's like mine. For mine, if >you leave the keys in the ignition, and push the door lock on the door,
the door won't lock. However, I think that
1. If you leave your keys on the seat, then exit the door, pushing the >door lock and close the door, your keys will be locked in your car.
2. If you leave your keys in the ignition, with the car running, and
out of gear, then exit the car, push the door lock and close the door,
your keys WBLIYC.
I am willing to experiment with this.
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o796dgn.pminews@192.168.0.6>,
Lesmond <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 20:40:01 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o70khhj.pminews@192.168.0.6>,holder.
"Lesmond" <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
My current car makes it impossible to lock your keys inside, but you
reminded me of my last car. It came with a plastic key that would unlock >>>> your door if you left your keys inside. It had a a little magnetic
The day I bought the car, I stuck that behind my rear license plate.
I will bet you that it's not impossible. If it's like mine. For mine, if >>> you leave the keys in the ignition, and push the door lock on the door,
the door won't lock. However, I think that
1. If you leave your keys on the seat, then exit the door, pushing the
door lock and close the door, your keys will be locked in your car.
2. If you leave your keys in the ignition, with the car running, and
out of gear, then exit the car, push the door lock and close the door,
your keys WBLIYC.
I am willing to experiment with this.
Have a spare key, or leave your window down, or have AAA on speed dial.
I like my Ford with the keypad on the door. If I lock the key in it's
no problem.
In article <v62dneGd0rM0VaTKnZ2dnUU7-fOdnZ2d@supernews.com>,
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote:
I like my Ford with the keypad on the door. If I lock the key in it's
no problem.
Is it the kind with 1&2 on one pad, 3&4 on one pad, etc? Are they
actually separate buttons or are there 5 of them?
On 5/16/2016 12:38 AM, Hactar wrote:
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o796dgn.pminews@192.168.0.6>,I like my Ford with the keypad on the door. If I lock the key in it's
Lesmond <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 20:40:01 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o70khhj.pminews@192.168.0.6>,holder.
"Lesmond" <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
My current car makes it impossible to lock your keys inside, but you >>>>> reminded me of my last car. It came with a plastic key that would
unlock
your door if you left your keys inside. It had a a little magnetic
The day I bought the car, I stuck that behind my rear license plate.
I will bet you that it's not impossible. If it's like mine. For
mine, if
you leave the keys in the ignition, and push the door lock on the door, >>>> the door won't lock. However, I think that
1. If you leave your keys on the seat, then exit the door, pushing the >>>> door lock and close the door, your keys will be locked in your car.
2. If you leave your keys in the ignition, with the car running, and
out of gear, then exit the car, push the door lock and close the door, >>>> your keys WBLIYC.
I am willing to experiment with this.
Have a spare key, or leave your window down, or have AAA on speed dial.
no problem.
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o796dgn.pminews@192.168.0.6>,
Lesmond <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 20:40:01 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaarg.o70khhj.pminews@192.168.0.6>,holder.
"Lesmond" <lesmond@verizon.net> wrote:
My current car makes it impossible to lock your keys inside, but you
reminded me of my last car. It came with a plastic key that would unlock >> >> your door if you left your keys inside. It had a a little magnetic
The day I bought the car, I stuck that behind my rear license plate.
I will bet you that it's not impossible. If it's like mine. For mine, if
you leave the keys in the ignition, and push the door lock on the door,
the door won't lock. However, I think that
1. If you leave your keys on the seat, then exit the door, pushing the
door lock and close the door, your keys will be locked in your car.
2. If you leave your keys in the ignition, with the car running, and
out of gear, then exit the car, push the door lock and close the door,
your keys WBLIYC.
I am willing to experiment with this.
Have a spare key, or leave your window down, or have AAA on speed dial.
On 5/16/2016 10:57 AM, Hactar wrote:
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote:It's kind of one silicone strip with 5 distinct buttons. Very handy. I
I like my Ford with the keypad on the door. If I lock the key in it's
no problem.
Is it the kind with 1&2 on one pad, 3&4 on one pad, etc? Are they
actually separate buttons or are there 5 of them?
have never understood why other auto companies haven't followed.
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/16/2016 10:57 AM, Hactar wrote:
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote:It's kind of one silicone strip with 5 distinct buttons. Very handy. I
I like my Ford with the keypad on the door. If I lock the key in it's >>>> no problem.
Is it the kind with 1&2 on one pad, 3&4 on one pad, etc? Are they
actually separate buttons or are there 5 of them?
have never understood why other auto companies haven't followed.
This piece is loaded with comments from people who also love the keypad:
http://jalopnik.com/1720567933
There were a couple of people who brought up that Ford had a patent on
their system, but others mentioned that various other companies have or had keypads too. Maybe Ford now refuses to license it? Probably more likely other companies had patented their own systems but found that it wasn't enough of a selling point, while Ford has enough residual good will that
it's worth it to them to continue it for brand loyalty purposes.
Only one comment I saw referred to an old keypad that was faulty, and this
is a site where people are happy to argue about faults in cars. Remote
locks are known to fail too, so it's not like there is such a thing as a foolproof system. There was one argumentative coot who refused to accept that people might find it useful. As far as he was concerned, fobs are
just as useful even when people pointed out various times when they aren't.
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a four digit code so that could be opened without too many guesses, but current ones have
five digits which gets into the thousands of possibilities.
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a fourAFAIK, our '80 T-bird was the first generation of the keypad, and it
digit code so that could be opened without too many guesses, but
current ones have five digits which gets into the thousands of
possibilities.
had 5 digits. Key in the five digits, driver door opens. Key in a 3
and the passenger door/s unlock. Key in a 5 and the trunk/hatch
unlocks. Still works the same way
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a fourAFAIK, our '80 T-bird was the first generation of the keypad, and it
digit code so that could be opened without too many guesses, but
current ones have five digits which gets into the thousands of
possibilities.
had 5 digits. Key in the five digits, driver door opens. Key in a 3
and the passenger door/s unlock. Key in a 5 and the trunk/hatch
unlocks. Still works the same way
It didn't sound like they had a lockout feature that stopped new entries
for a couple of minutes if five or ten bad entries were tried, which ought
to stop most crude hacking efforts, but maybe I missed something.
At any rate, it sounds like a great feature for some people. I could see
how families who did a lot of camping would love it. The only other thing
I can see being a problem would be if a couple had an ugly breakup it might be an opportunity for some trouble since it didn't sound like it was easy
to change the combination.
I can see being a problem would be if a couple had an ugly breakup it might be an opportunity for some trouble since it didn't sound like it was easy to change the combination.
If I remember the owner's manual correctly, you can't change the factory code, but you can add a code you like better.
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a four digit code so that could be opened without too many guesses, but current ones have
five digits which gets into the thousands of possibilities.
In article <5rOdnQkXu8xqiqbKnZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@supernews.com>,
Tim Wright <tlwright6x@gmail.com> wrote:
If I remember the owner's manual correctly, you can't change the factory
I can see being a problem would be if a couple had an ugly breakup it might >>> be an opportunity for some trouble since it didn't sound like it was easy >>> to change the combination.
code, but you can add a code you like better.
So if you have a nasty divorce / breakup / stalker, the only solution is to pull the fuse? Charming. If the attacker only knows your "alternate" code you could change it, I suppose. But I wouldn't want to rely on an
attacker's knowledge being limited in a way that's convenient for me.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xhoster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/16/16 18:02, Howard wrote:
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a four digit code >>> so that could be opened without too many guesses, but current ones have
five digits which gets into the thousands of possibilities.
Once you notice which 5 of the 10 buttons have finger smudges on them,
that considerably reduces the number of combinations. You got to hope
that by having 2 numbers per button and using rocking instead of
pressing, you can get around that problem.
My ex's Ford Escape doesn't seem to rock. I think it's just a base
five code expressed as base ten.
On 05/16/16 18:02, Howard wrote:
Some people were concerned about security -- old ones had a four digit code >> so that could be opened without too many guesses, but current ones have
five digits which gets into the thousands of possibilities.
Once you notice which 5 of the 10 buttons have finger smudges on them,
that considerably reduces the number of combinations. You got to hope
that by having 2 numbers per button and using rocking instead of
pressing, you can get around that problem.
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