• Health Minister in Critical Condition just one day after receiving Covi

    From Andrew W@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 10 23:32:21 2021
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    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condition-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being administered antibiotics and fluid.
    The Minister is expected to make a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the vaccine”.

    Hunt revealed via a post on a social media made the same day as he was
    admitted to hospital that himself and former Prime Minister Gillard had “the privilege of being vaccinated against Covid-19 with the AstraZeneca vaccine” on the 8th March along with a number of doctors, professors and nurses.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Wed Mar 10 07:42:41 2021
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    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital
    and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving
    a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is
    being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine”.


    That last sentence says it all.

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  • From Malte Runz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 10 19:29:45 2021
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    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:42:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net>
    wrote:

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit
    ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital
    and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving
    a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is
    being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Andrew never made it that far down. He's a 'if the headline fits it's
    good enough for me' kinda guy.

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    Malte Runz

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  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu Mar 11 12:49:28 2021
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    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit
    ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital >> and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving
    a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is
    being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine”.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? Of course they will put their own interpretation on it. Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? There are scores of such cases happening that have no logical explanation.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Wed Mar 10 20:45:57 2021
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    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2bsvr$rrb$1@dont-email.me:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-cond
    it ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to
    hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after
    receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister
    Hunt had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected
    infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being
    administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make
    a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to
    the vaccine”.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? Of
    course they will put their own interpretation on it. Can you not see
    what's happening around the world and think for yourself? There are
    scores of such cases happening that have no logical explanation.


    Show us these "scores" of cases".

    With 2 million vaccinations per day
    now that shouldn't be hard..........

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Wed Mar 10 19:53:32 2021
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    On 3/10/21 6:45 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2bsvr$rrb$1@dont-email.me:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
    news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
    news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-cond
    it ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to
    hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after
    receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister
    Hunt had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected
    infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being
    administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make
    a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to
    the vaccine”.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? Of
    course they will put their own interpretation on it. Can you not see
    what's happening around the world and think for yourself? There are
    scores of such cases happening that have no logical explanation.


    Show us these "scores" of cases".

    With 2 million vaccinations per day
    now that shouldn't be hard..........
    My name better not be on that list as this 83.5 year old had
    a shot on Monday and barely a sore arm from the Pfizer vaccine.

    Some people have pre-existing conditions and chose the day after
    a vaccination to get sick. I have a Chronic Illness and it got no worse
    or better after the shot.

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.
    It is a Darwin moment, so be smart and survive.

    bliss the former nurse in San Francisco

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  • From Malte Runz@21:1/5 to spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au on Thu Mar 11 11:07:26 2021
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    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit
    ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital
    and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving
    a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is
    being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is
    accepting, this or that.


    ... Of course
    they will put their own interpretation on it. ...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the
    Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are
    making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the
    Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very
    interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know
    you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?

    https://tinyurl.com/b44nys9w
    "Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus"

    Oh my god! You were right all along!!!



    ... Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? ...

    Tell us what you think is /really/ happening, when a person is taken
    to the hospital, supposedly for unrelated reasons, after having been vaccinated.


    ... There are scores of such
    cases happening that have no logical explanation.

    And here I thought the logical explanation was that the vaccines are
    killing people according to Bill Gates' plan to rule the world by
    depopulating it. But I guess it is even more sinister than that.
    Spooky....


    --
    Malte Runz

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  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to Malte Runz on Thu Mar 11 21:42:45 2021
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    "Malte Runz" wrote in message news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" ><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit >>>> ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital >>>> and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving
    a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt >>>> had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is >>>> being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine�.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased narratives (except a few dopes here).


    ... Of course
    they will put their own interpretation on it. ...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the
    Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are
    making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the
    Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very
    interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know
    you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?


    I see these kinds of reports virtually every day from different countries so I'd say it's most likely the vaccine.
    I've heard of several nurses who can't work any more due to sickness after getting the vaccine. A doctor and several others died just recently.


    https://tinyurl.com/b44nys9w
    "Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus"

    Oh my god! You were right all along!!!



    ... Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? ...

    Tell us what you think is /really/ happening, when a person is taken
    to the hospital, supposedly for unrelated reasons, after having been >vaccinated.


    ... There are scores of such
    cases happening that have no logical explanation.

    And here I thought the logical explanation was that the vaccines are
    killing people according to Bill Gates' plan to rule the world by >depopulating it. But I guess it is even more sinister than that.
    Spooky....



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  • From Don Kresch@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 11 07:03:48 2021
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    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Thu Mar 11 07:57:13 2021
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    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2cs77$7rr$1@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: Health Minister in Critical Condition just one day after receiving Covid Vaccine From: "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa.misc,misc.education.medical,talk.politics. drugs,talk.politics.medicine

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-co
    ndit ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australiaǽ'"s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to
    hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day
    after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister
    Hunt had ǽ'"been admitted to hospital with a suspected
    infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being
    administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to
    make a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be
    related to the vaccineǽ'?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >>accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased narratives (except a few dopes here).


    And your source of non-"mainstream media" is......?

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Don Kresch on Thu Mar 11 08:04:28 2021
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    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and initial conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people, their dependents
    and employers and surviving friends might have something to say about
    that survival rate. But that is in the USA.

    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting vaccinations against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    bliss

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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  • From Malte Runz@21:1/5 to spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au on Thu Mar 11 22:58:41 2021
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    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:42:45 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit >>>>> ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital >>>>> and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving >>>>> a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt >>>>> had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is
    being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.

    Why do you think I don't know how mainstream media works?


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >>accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased >narratives (except a few dopes here).

    Again, why did you post it? Did you want to inform us about a man
    falling ill after being vaccinated, or did you want to show us how the mainstream media lies about the story, because you know the real truth
    (namely that the vaccine is dangerous)?



    ... Of course
    they will put their own interpretation on it. ...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the >>Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are
    making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the
    Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very >>interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know
    you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?


    I see these kinds of reports virtually every day from different countries so >I'd say it's most likely the vaccine. ...

    You know more than the doctors treating the guy?



    I've heard of several nurses who can't work any more due to sickness after >getting the vaccine. ...

    I've had a handful vaccinations in my life, against hepatitis, yellow
    fever and other things. In most cases I was sore as hell, felt sick,
    stayed home from work for a couple of days. Nothing new, but you so
    desperately want there to be a big conspiracy behind every normal and
    expected reaction.


    ... A doctor and several others died just recently.

    And you just know that the vaccine was the direct cause. Just like the
    case of Aussie Health Minister, right?



    https://tinyurl.com/b44nys9w
    "Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus"

    Oh my god! You were right all along!!!



    ... Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? ...

    Tell us what you think is /really/ happening, when a person is taken
    to the hospital, supposedly for unrelated reasons, after having been >>vaccinated.

    Of course you have no response.



    ... There are scores of such
    cases happening that have no logical explanation.

    And here I thought the logical explanation was that the vaccines are >>killing people according to Bill Gates' plan to rule the world by >>depopulating it. But I guess it is even more sinister than that.
    Spooky....



    --
    Malte Runz

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  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Fri Mar 12 08:39:11 2021
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    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsACEA50230D4ECnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >news:s2cs77$7rr$1@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: Health Minister in Critical Condition just one day after
    receiving Covid Vaccine From: "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> Newsgroups:
    alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa.misc,misc.education.medical,talk.politics.
    drugs,talk.politics.medicine

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message
    news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >>><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-co >>>>>> ndit ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australiaǽƒ'ªƒ"½s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to >>>>>> hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day
    after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister
    Hunt had ǽƒ'ª"been admitted to hospital with a suspected
    infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being >>>>>> administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to
    make a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be
    related to the vaccineǽƒ'ª?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >>>accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased
    narratives (except a few dopes here).


    And your source of non-"mainstream media" is......?


    I have hundreds of sources. If you think I'm going to waste my time spoon feeding you and other trolls with thousands of articles and interviews of insiders, most of which I no longer have, you are dreaming.
    Educate yourself about what goes on in the world like most other intelligent people do.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Don Kresch@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 11 17:40:17 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had an average
    of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting vaccinations
    against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to Malte Runz on Fri Mar 12 12:18:47 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message news:1q3l4gdmtsv4oqsug90d0ilmikib76e7i7@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:42:45 +1100, "Andrew W" ><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >>><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit >>>>>> ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital
    and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving >>>>>> a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister
    Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is >>>>>> being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine�.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.

    Why do you think I don't know how mainstream media works?


    Because most things you say are the same that the MSM says, which means you believe they are mostly truthful, unbiased, non-slanted, uncontrolled etc.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content
    is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox
    News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >>>accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased >>narratives (except a few dopes here).

    Again, why did you post it? Did you want to inform us about a man
    falling ill after being vaccinated, or did you want to show us how the >mainstream media lies about the story, because you know the real truth >(namely that the vaccine is dangerous)?


    I post to give people a heads up and get them to think, question and
    research to find out the truth since we are not being told. I would post alternative news articles but many here don't like them. And as for me injecting my comments, I don't feel that would be taken much notice of, but
    I will consider, even though I'm short of time usually.



    ... Of course
    they will put their own interpretation on it. ...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the >>>Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are
    making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the >>>Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very >>>interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know >>>you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?


    I see these kinds of reports virtually every day from different countries >>so
    I'd say it's most likely the vaccine. ...

    You know more than the doctors treating the guy?


    That depends on whether the doctor went beyond his university training or
    not, since universities are controlled by the deep state/drug
    companies/medical establishments.



    I've heard of several nurses who can't work any more due to sickness after >>getting the vaccine. ...

    I've had a handful vaccinations in my life, against hepatitis, yellow
    fever and other things. In most cases I was sore as hell, felt sick,
    stayed home from work for a couple of days. Nothing new, but you so >desperately want there to be a big conspiracy behind every normal and >expected reaction.


    You were lucky. I've had several of my relatives die prematurely after
    getting various shots in the past, especially the experimental ones which
    the C19 vaccine is.
    My grand niece became autistic straight after one. I heard about many other parents who had the same happen. Keep in mind that vaccines don't do bad
    things straight away in many cases. It can take years in some cases.


    ... A doctor and several others died just recently.

    And you just know that the vaccine was the direct cause. Just like the
    case of Aussie Health Minister, right?


    I wouldn't if it was just 10 or so cases. Can there be 100's of such coincidences around the world?



    https://tinyurl.com/b44nys9w
    "Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus"

    Oh my god! You were right all along!!!



    ... Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? ...

    Tell us what you think is /really/ happening, when a person is taken
    to the hospital, supposedly for unrelated reasons, after having been >>>vaccinated.

    Of course you have no response.


    Different things happen in every case. I can't answer such a question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Thu Mar 11 21:01:30 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2efhq$e0b$1@dont-email.me:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message news:1q3l4gdmtsv4oqsug90d0ilmikib76e7i7@4ax.com...


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical- >>>>>>> condit ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted
    to hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one
    day after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid
    vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that
    Minister Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, >>>>>>> he is being kept overnight for observation and is being
    administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to
    make a full recovery. His condition is not considered to be
    related to the vaccine�.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.

    Why do you think I don't know how mainstream media works?


    Because most things you say are the same that the MSM says, which
    means you believe they are mostly truthful, unbiased, non-slanted, uncontrolled etc.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the
    content is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I
    quote Fox News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has
    realized, or is accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and
    biased narratives (except a few dopes here).

    Again, why did you post it? Did you want to inform us about a man
    falling ill after being vaccinated, or did you want to show us how the >>mainstream media lies about the story, because you know the real truth >>(namely that the vaccine is dangerous)?


    I post to give people a heads up and get them to think, question and
    research to find out the truth since we are not being told.


    You want us to research this "truth" but
    won't tell us where.

    How productive to you expect that to be?


    I would
    post alternative news articles but many here don't like them.


    That never stopped you before.......

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Thu Mar 11 20:58:55 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2e2m2$705$1@dont-email.me:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsACEA50230D4ECnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>news:s2cs77$7rr$1@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: Health Minister in Critical Condition just one day
    after receiving Covid Vaccine From: "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> Newsgroups:
    alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa.misc,misc.education.medical,talk.politic
    s. drugs,talk.politics.medicine

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message
    news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >>>><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical- >>>>>>> co ndit ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australiaǽƒ'ªƒ"½s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been
    admitted to hospital and is said to be in a serious condition
    just one day after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca
    Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that
    Minister Hunt had ǽƒ'ª"been admitted to hospital with a
    suspected infection, he is being kept overnight for observation
    and is being administered antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is >>>>>>> expected to make a full recovery. His condition is not
    considered to be related to the vaccineǽƒ'ª?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the
    content is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I
    quote Fox News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has
    realized, or is accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and
    biased narratives (except a few dopes here).


    And your source of non-"mainstream media" is......?


    I have hundreds of sources. If you think I'm going to waste my time
    spoon feeding you and other trolls with thousands of articles and
    interviews of insiders, most of which I no longer have, you are
    dreaming. Educate yourself about what goes on in the world like most
    other intelligent people do.


    Sorry, the "I know the truth, look it
    up yourself" missive doesn't work here.

    If you have access to all this "truth"
    why aren't sharing it with us?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Thu Mar 11 21:04:06 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:s2efhq$e0b$1@dont-email.me:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message news:1q3l4gdmtsv4oqsug90d0ilmikib76e7i7@4ax.com...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the >>>>Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are >>>>making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the >>>>Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very >>>>interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know >>>>you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?


    I see these kinds of reports virtually every day from different
    countries so
    I'd say it's most likely the vaccine. ...

    You know more than the doctors treating the guy?


    That depends on whether the doctor went beyond his university training
    or not, since universities are controlled by the deep state/drug companies/medical establishments.


    All doctors go "beyond their university
    training", that is what internships and
    residencies are all about. Don't you know
    anything about this?




    I've heard of several nurses who can't work any more due to sickness >>>after getting the vaccine. ...

    I've had a handful vaccinations in my life, against hepatitis, yellow
    fever and other things. In most cases I was sore as hell, felt sick,
    stayed home from work for a couple of days. Nothing new, but you so >>desperately want there to be a big conspiracy behind every normal and >>expected reaction.


    You were lucky. I've had several of my relatives die prematurely after getting various shots in the past, especially the experimental ones
    which the C19 vaccine is.
    My grand niece became autistic straight after one. I heard about many
    other parents who had the same happen. Keep in mind that vaccines
    don't do bad things straight away in many cases. It can take years in
    some cases.


    Anecdotal evidence is not proof,
    we put that issue to be with Arty/Joe
    and all his claims.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Don Kresch on Thu Mar 11 20:26:31 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On 3/11/21 3:40 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try >>>> to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had an average
    of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting vaccinations >> against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    My ancestors survived the black death in Europe.
    I may have inherited some immunity but I do not play with ground squirrels in California. You are free to move into the distant
    countryside and try to develop herd immunity to all sorts of illnesses.
    But it will be hard on the children. Some number of my mother's sisters
    and brothers died of the Influenza around 1916.

    She survived fortunately for me. Otherwise 1937 would contain one
    less birthday. So did her older sister. I was sheltered in my youth and
    sick a lot of the time. That was the time of the Polio epidemic before
    the polio vaccine. It might not kill you but some of my HS friends had survived to be lame the rest of their lives.

    In the 1950s I was lucky enough to get the Hong Kong Flu as
    it was named by the newspapers. Later on we would have more varieties
    of influenza with a fresh version due every year thanks to the sloppy
    duck tending of Asian livestock tenders.

    Then we had the HIV-AIDs which decimated my list of friends and
    wiped out the survivors' lists of friends. People who ignored medical precautions and played like it was 20 years earlier young and old died.

    So now we have Covid-19 and a large percentage of the population refuses to follow medically advised precautions and further refuses to
    take the vaccines. Big bunch of sissies afraid of needles. If they
    hold tight to these attitudes pretty soon their will be no Republican
    voters.


    bliss

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Don Kresch@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 12 07:02:18 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:26:31 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 3:40 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives will try >>>>> to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had an average
    of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting vaccinations >>> against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    My ancestors survived the black death in Europe.
    I may have inherited some immunity but I do not play with ground
    squirrels in California. You are free to move into the distant
    countryside and try to develop herd immunity to all sorts of illnesses.
    But it will be hard on the children. Some number of my mother's sisters
    and brothers died of the Influenza around 1916.

    Are you looking for pity?


    She survived fortunately for me. Otherwise 1937 would contain one
    less birthday. So did her older sister. I was sheltered in my youth and
    sick a lot of the time. That was the time of the Polio epidemic before
    the polio vaccine. It might not kill you but some of my HS friends had >survived to be lame the rest of their lives.

    Shame.


    In the 1950s I was lucky enough to get the Hong Kong Flu as
    it was named by the newspapers. Later on we would have more varieties
    of influenza with a fresh version due every year thanks to the sloppy
    duck tending of Asian livestock tenders.

    Amazing how there was no lockdown, and people survived.


    Then we had the HIV-AIDs which decimated my list of friends and
    wiped out the survivors' lists of friends. People who ignored medical >precautions and played like it was 20 years earlier young and old died.

    And there was still no lockdown.


    So now we have Covid-19 and a large percentage of the population
    refuses to follow medically advised precautions and further refuses to
    take the vaccines. Big bunch of sissies afraid of needles. If they
    hold tight to these attitudes pretty soon their will be no Republican
    voters.

    And there we have it: partisan bullshit.

    You're part of the problem.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Don Kresch on Fri Mar 12 08:51:44 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On 3/12/21 5:02 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:26:31 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 3:40 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives
    will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases.

    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly
    not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and
    initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Now at 530,000 and climbing.


    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had an average
    of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Well you can mess with the figures but plenty of those
    with contributing conditions might Not have died if they had no
    gotten sick with Covid-19.


    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting
    vaccinations
    against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    My ancestors survived the black death in Europe.
    I may have inherited some immunity but I do not play with ground
    squirrels in California. You are free to move into the distant
    countryside and try to develop herd immunity to all sorts of illnesses.
    But it will be hard on the children. Some number of my mother's sisters
    and brothers died of the Influenza around 1916.

    Are you looking for pity?

    Not at all. These things did not happen to me.
    I never knew those aunts and uncles at all and my mom was
    still quite young, an infant so she never knew them.


    She survived fortunately for me. Otherwise 1937 would
    contain one
    less birthday. So did her older sister. I was sheltered in my youth and
    sick a lot of the time. That was the time of the Polio epidemic before
    the polio vaccine. It might not kill you but some of my HS friends had
    survived to be lame the rest of their lives.

    Shame.

    For them it is or was.


    In the 1950s I was lucky enough to get the Hong Kong Flu as
    it was named by the newspapers. Later on we would have more varieties
    of influenza with a fresh version due every year thanks to the sloppy
    duck tending of Asian livestock tenders.

    Amazing how there was no lockdown, and people survived.

    Yes because they had no idea what they were dealing with to start with.
    Hong Kong was not so bad and I was young then and
    had incredible recuperative powers.


    Then we had the HIV-AIDs which decimated my list of friends and
    wiped out the survivors' lists of friends. People who ignored medical
    precautions and played like it was 20 years earlier, young and old died.

    And there was still no lockdown.

    Sure there was but unless you were paying close attention
    you missed it. It closed gay bath houses and other places for
    assignations and anonymous sex. Bars on the other hand developed
    bowls of condoms for the clientele.



    So now we have Covid-19 and a large percentage of the population
    refuses to follow medically advised precautions and further refuses to
    take the vaccines. Big bunch of sissies afraid of needles. If they
    hold tight to these attitudes pretty soon their will be no Republican
    voters.

    And there we have it: partisan bullshit.

    You're part of the problem.

    Which problem is that? Something like 45% of Republican men are fearful of the Covid-19 vaccination. I don't know if they asked the
    Democratic party members/supporters.

    The real problem is that a large percentage of survivors
    exhibit classic symptoms of Post Virtual Fatigue Syndrome. They
    will have a terrible time as I well know having survived with it
    the last 38 years.

    If I didn't have this problem I would not be bothering with
    computers and Usenet but riding my motorcycles all over the place and
    with a pocket full of cash from my retirement savings.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    bliss - If it impacts their wallet it is obviously Communist Evil. If it fills their wallets it is support for American Business.
    Not my pov but the newspapers are full of statements.

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  • From Libtard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 12 12:28:39 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    --

    THE OFFICIAL FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD VOTE WRANGLER

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Libtard on Fri Mar 12 11:49:58 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Malte Runz@21:1/5 to spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au on Fri Mar 12 20:23:54 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 12:18:47 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:1q3l4gdmtsv4oqsug90d0ilmikib76e7i7@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:42:45 +1100, "Andrew W" >><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:96pj4gl6e80dkhet8rb1s66akks1ccptkb@4ax.com...

    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:49:28 +1100, "Andrew W" >>>><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message >>>>>news:XnsACE94DD7AE2DCnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>news:s2ae9i$unt$1@dont-email.me:


    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/09/health-minister-in-critical-condit >>>>>>> ion-just-one-day-after-receiving-covid-vaccine/


    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital >>>>>>> and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving >>>>>>> a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister >>>>>>> Hunt
    had “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is >>>>>>> being kept overnight for observation and is being administered
    antibiotics and fluid. The Minister is expected to make a full
    recovery. His condition is not considered to be related to the
    vaccine?.


    That last sentence says it all.


    Yes I know. ...

    You know now, but I'm sure you didn't know when you posted it.


    Yes I did. Unlike you I know how the mainstream media works.

    Why do you think I don't know how mainstream media works?


    Because most things you say are the same that the MSM says, which means you >believe they are mostly truthful, unbiased, non-slanted, uncontrolled etc.

    You believe it's all lies. How is that less biased?


    ... It's a mainstream media article so what do you expect? ...

    Why did you post it, without any comments, if you believe the content >>>>is manipulative and doesn't support your beliefs? When I quote Fox >>>>News, I do it to show that even 'The Dark Side' has realized, or is >>>>accepting, this or that.


    Most people already know about the mainstream media slanted and biased >>>narratives (except a few dopes here).

    Again, why did you post it? Did you want to inform us about a man
    falling ill after being vaccinated, or did you want to show us how the >>mainstream media lies about the story, because you know the real truth >>(namely that the vaccine is dangerous)?


    I post to give people a heads up and get them to think, question and
    research to find out the truth since we are not being told. I would post >alternative news articles but many here don't like them. ...

    Oh, but I love your 'alternative news'. Tank top clad dudes reporting
    from their kitchen table, and crazy haired remote viewers telling the
    truth. Give it to me!

    ... And as for me
    injecting my comments, I don't feel that would be taken much notice of, but
    I will consider, even though I'm short of time usually.

    Come on, man. I have to press and provoke you to give us your personal comments. I want to hear you trying to make a coherent argument. Your
    links are in and of themselves uninteresting.




    ... Of course
    they will put their own interpretation on it. ...

    Of course. What did you expect? Your side does the same thing, and
    it's fine as long as one is objective about the facts of the matter.

    So, what is your interpretation? Is the vaccination the cause of the >>>>Minister falling ill? Is it proof that George Soros' nanobots are >>>>making people sick? Is the Minister's reaction a result of the >>>>Rockefellers activating the microchips in the 'vaccine'? I'm very >>>>interested in hearing your explanation, but at the same time I know >>>>you'll have none. You never have. 'Do your own research!!!', right?


    I see these kinds of reports virtually every day from different countries >>>so
    I'd say it's most likely the vaccine. ...

    You know more than the doctors treating the guy?


    That depends on whether the doctor went beyond his university training or >not, since universities are controlled by the deep state/drug >companies/medical establishments.

    "Beyond" you say. Like studying ancient healing rituals? Aura
    cleansing, mantras and woo-woo dances under the full Moon?




    I've heard of several nurses who can't work any more due to sickness after >>>getting the vaccine. ...

    I've had a handful vaccinations in my life, against hepatitis, yellow
    fever and other things. In most cases I was sore as hell, felt sick,
    stayed home from work for a couple of days. Nothing new, but you so >>desperately want there to be a big conspiracy behind every normal and >>expected reaction.


    You were lucky. I've had several of my relatives die prematurely after >getting various shots in the past, especially the experimental ones which
    the C19 vaccine is.
    My grand niece became autistic straight after one. ...

    BULLSHIT! Utter, fucking bullshit. You guys always have these
    anecdotes that I have no way of disproving and you can't substantiate
    them either. 'Are you saying I'm lying???' Hell yes, you full of shit.

    There have been several large studies on the subject and it has been
    shown again and again that there is no link between vaccinations and
    autism. And the reason those studies were performed wasn't that there
    was any doubt about the result. It's an attempt to counter the
    dangerous lies spewed by uneducated, scared people... people like you,
    Andrew W.

    If your grand niece really has autism she was born with it. It's not
    something you can 'get'. If she was diagnosed right after having had a vaccination it is merely coincidental. And don't bother linking to
    other stories about people making up shit like you do. If you want to
    weigh in on the topic present a peer reviewed study that shows the
    causality. Otherwise, be ashamed of yourself for using a plight of a
    family member to score a cheap point.


    ... I heard about many other
    parents who had the same happen. ...

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    ... Keep in mind that vaccines don't do bad
    things straight away in many cases. It can take years in some cases.

    Straight from your arse. No study will ever confirm any of that.
    'Yeah, it proves that Big Pharma is hiding the truth, but tank top
    dude has exposed all their lies and I'm repeating what he says!'



    ... A doctor and several others died just recently.

    And you just know that the vaccine was the direct cause. Just like the
    case of Aussie Health Minister, right?


    I wouldn't if it was just 10 or so cases. Can there be 100's of such >coincidences around the world?

    Yes. Do the math.

    Right, as if that is going to happen.

    How many vaccines doses have been administered worldwide?

    [google, google, google]

    As of March 11: 202,508,023. If there have been 1000 deaths as a
    direct cause of the vaccination were talking about 0.0005%. I'll take
    those odds any day.





    https://tinyurl.com/b44nys9w
    "Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus"

    Oh my god! You were right all along!!!



    ... Can you not see what's
    happening around the world and think for yourself? ...

    Tell us what you think is /really/ happening, when a person is taken
    to the hospital, supposedly for unrelated reasons, after having been >>>>vaccinated.

    Of course you have no response.


    Different things happen in every case. I can't answer such a question.

    That's my point. I know you can't, but it doesn't prevent you from
    making up your mind about it. It's the vaccination. And Bill Gates,
    the Deep State and Big They controlling every aspect of our liv...
    [fade to silence]

    --
    Malte Runz

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  • From Libtard@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Fri Mar 12 13:38:56 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:49:58 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.


    Biden is a loon and is going to destroy this country.


    --

    THE OFFICIAL FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD VOTE WRANGLER

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From %@21:1/5 to Libtard on Fri Mar 12 13:44:46 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On 2021-03-12 1:38 p.m., Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:49:58 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.


    Biden is a loon and is going to destroy this country.


    and he doesn't even have a quid pro quo

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Libtard@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Fri Mar 12 16:49:34 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:43:27 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 12:38 PM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:49:58 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.


    Biden is a loon and is going to destroy this country.

    Well Trump was a criminal, a failed businessman propped up with shady
    loans and he did his best but failed to destroy the nation.

    Explain how.

    Just how is Biden going to destroy the Country?

    Start with the border.

    Is the solid South going to try again to secede?

    What does that have to do with anything?

    Because they value the repression of their darker-skinned
    cousins?

    Race card already?

    Inquiring minds will want to know just how this, according to you,
    "insane" villain of a President" going to destroy the nation because if
    we get together and act like citizens we might stop him
    from that drastic action.

    They are surrounded by troops and razor wire...LOL

    Biden is anything but a loon of course in my opinion and it may
    turn into the best Republican Presidency since Eisenhower. That is my >personal sentiments are to the left of Mr.Biden. However I will stop
    his mad scheme to destroy the nation if it is within my limited powers.
    So tell me all about and i will figure out if and how i can resist
    the desolation of this great Nation.

    Toss out all libtards.


    --

    THE OFFICIAL FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD VOTE WRANGLER

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Libtard on Fri Mar 12 15:43:27 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On 3/12/21 12:38 PM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:49:58 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.


    Biden is a loon and is going to destroy this country.

    Well Trump was a criminal, a failed businessman propped up with shady
    loans and he did his best but failed to destroy the nation.

    Just how is Biden going to destroy the Country?
    Is the solid South going to try again to secede?
    Because they value the repression of their darker-skinned
    cousins?

    Inquiring minds will want to know just how this, according to you, "insane" villain of a President" going to destroy the nation because if
    we get together and act like citizens we might stop him
    from that drastic action.

    Biden is anything but a loon of course in my opinion and it may
    turn into the best Republican Presidency since Eisenhower. That is my
    personal sentiments are to the left of Mr.Biden. However I will stop
    his mad scheme to destroy the nation if it is within my limited powers.
    So tell me all about and i will figure out if and how i can resist
    the desolation of this great Nation.

    bliss -“Nearly any fool can use a computer. Many do.” After all here I
    am...

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Libtard on Fri Mar 12 20:35:40 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    Libtard <libtard@sandennistas.orq> wrote in news:b9kn4gdvdu4p4evg40vnkeffu8vb9oncla@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:49:58 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/21 11:28 AM, Libtard wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:23:54 +0100, Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss>
    wrote:

    Of course you have. The world is full of bullshitters begging for
    attention.

    Are we talking about libtards again?


    Maybe Q and his evangelists?

    Trump and his conviction that he knows what he is doing?

    Maybe McConnell and his out-right lies?

    The Anti-Vaccination crew and the BS?

    Maybe the RWGN and their confusion?

    Perhaps the Oath(breakers) Keepers?

    Rudy Giuliani, Bill Barr and their failed Fascist
    trump regime?

    Faux News and their inherent confusion and bias?

    How about New York State's governor Cumuo?

    bliss? ah no, not me Just the straight truth.


    Biden is a loon and is going to destroy this country.



    Didn't you say that about Obama?

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  • From Don Kresch@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 12 21:16:25 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 08:51:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/12/21 5:02 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:26:31 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 3:40 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will cry >>>>>> mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male relatives
    will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if you are a >>>>>> hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases. >>>>>
    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly >>>>> not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age and
    initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and access to >>>> truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Now at 530,000 and climbing.

    31,800.



    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had an average >>> of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Well you can mess with the figures

    I'm not; math is a priori.

    but plenty of those
    with contributing conditions might Not have died if they had no
    gotten sick with Covid-19.

    Most of them were dying anyway.



    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting
    vaccinations
    against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity that they >>>> develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    My ancestors survived the black death in Europe.
    I may have inherited some immunity but I do not play with ground
    squirrels in California. You are free to move into the distant
    countryside and try to develop herd immunity to all sorts of illnesses.
    But it will be hard on the children. Some number of my mother's sisters
    and brothers died of the Influenza around 1916.

    Are you looking for pity?

    Not at all. These things did not happen to me.
    I never knew those aunts and uncles at all and my mom was
    still quite young, an infant so she never knew them.

    Then what's your point?



    She survived fortunately for me. Otherwise 1937 would
    contain one
    less birthday. So did her older sister. I was sheltered in my youth and >> sick a lot of the time. That was the time of the Polio epidemic before
    the polio vaccine. It might not kill you but some of my HS friends had
    survived to be lame the rest of their lives.

    Shame.

    For them it is or was.


    In the 1950s I was lucky enough to get the Hong Kong Flu as
    it was named by the newspapers. Later on we would have more varieties
    of influenza with a fresh version due every year thanks to the sloppy
    duck tending of Asian livestock tenders.

    Amazing how there was no lockdown, and people survived.

    Yes because they had no idea what they were dealing with to start with.

    And yet my point stands.

    Hong Kong was not so bad and I was young then and
    had incredible recuperative powers.

    As do most people.



    Then we had the HIV-AIDs which decimated my list of friends and
    wiped out the survivors' lists of friends. People who ignored medical
    precautions and played like it was 20 years earlier, young and old died.

    And there was still no lockdown.

    Sure there was but unless you were paying close attention

    No, there wasn't; I was alive then. There wasn't.


    you missed it. It closed gay bath houses and other places for
    assignations and anonymous sex.

    Yeah, that's not a lockdown.



    So now we have Covid-19 and a large percentage of the population
    refuses to follow medically advised precautions and further refuses to
    take the vaccines. Big bunch of sissies afraid of needles. If they
    hold tight to these attitudes pretty soon their will be no Republican
    voters.

    And there we have it: partisan bullshit.

    You're part of the problem.

    Which problem is that?

    Partisan hackery. You fucking statists are so stupid as to
    think the problem is with "the other party".

    The problem is partisan bullshit.


    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 13 10:04:48 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.misc, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.medicine

    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 21:16:25 -0600, Don Kresch <noway@nospam.com>
    wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 08:51:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:


    On 3/12/21 5:02 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:26:31 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 3:40 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:04:28 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    On 3/11/21 5:03 AM, Don Kresch wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:53:32 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> scrawled in blood:

    If anti-vaxxers die it may not be sad but families will
    cry
    mothers,sisters, wives and daughters weep while male
    relatives
    will try
    to keep a stiff uppper lip and avoid the tears. Even if
    you are a
    hopeless person someone will be affected by your death.

    Choose life and get vaccinated against the killer dieases. >>>>>
    You mean a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

    Doesn't sound like a very "killer" disease to me. Certainly >>>>> not on the level of ebola.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster

    Well survival numbers vary widely depending on age
    and
    initial
    conditions of the Individual. It also depends on wealth and
    access to
    truly modern medical treatment. 523,000 dead people,

    Now at 530,000 and climbing.


    31,800.




    Of which, ACCORDING TO THE CDC SO THERE'S NO WHINING ABOUT
    FAKE NEWS, only 6% actually died from it. The other 94% had
    an average
    of 2.7 other contributing factors. Which means: about 31k
    actually
    from the virus. Which, IIRC, is slightly less than what the
    flu kills
    every year. So: yeah. Just not impressed.

    Well you can mess with the figures


    I'm not; math is a priori.


    but plenty of those
    with contributing conditions might Not have died if they had no
    gotten sick with Covid-19.


    Most of them were dying anyway.




    Also consider that there would be fewer deaths had places
    like
    New York not *mandated* that old folks homes take covid
    patients.



    Also anti-vaxxers tend to keep their children from getting
    vaccinations
    against things like Diptheria, which used to kill lots of
    children, They depend on Pro-vaxxers and the herd immunity
    that they
    develop to keep their children well.

    Herd immunity can happen in other ways.

    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    My ancestors survived the black death in Europe.
    I may have inherited some immunity but I do not play with
    ground
    squirrels in California. You are free to move into the distant
    countryside and try to develop herd immunity to all sorts of
    illnesses.
    But it will be hard on the children. Some number of my
    mother's sisters
    and brothers died of the Influenza around 1916.

    Are you looking for pity?

    Not at all. These things did not happen to me.
    I never knew those aunts and uncles at all and my mom was
    still quite young, an infant so she never knew them.


    Then what's your point?




    She survived fortunately for me. Otherwise 1937 would
    contain one
    less birthday. So did her older sister. I was sheltered in my
    youth and
    sick a lot of the time. That was the time of the Polio
    epidemic before
    the polio vaccine. It might not kill you but some of my HS
    friends had
    survived to be lame the rest of their lives.

    Shame.

    For them it is or was.


    In the 1950s I was lucky enough to get the Hong Kong Flu as
    it was named by the newspapers. Later on we would have more
    varieties
    of influenza with a fresh version due every year thanks to the
    sloppy
    duck tending of Asian livestock tenders.

    Amazing how there was no lockdown, and people survived.

    Yes because they had no idea what they were dealing with to start
    with.


    And yet my point stands.


    Hong Kong was not so bad and I was young then and
    had incredible recuperative powers.


    As do most people.




    Then we had the HIV-AIDs which decimated my list of friends
    and
    wiped out the survivors' lists of friends. People who ignored
    medical
    precautions and played like it was 20 years earlier, young and
    old died.

    And there was still no lockdown.

    Sure there was but unless you were paying close attention


    No, there wasn't; I was alive then. There wasn't.




    you missed it. It closed gay bath houses and other places for
    assignations and anonymous sex.


    Yeah, that's not a lockdown.






    So now we have Covid-19 and a large percentage of the
    population
    refuses to follow medically advised precautions and further
    refuses to
    take the vaccines. Big bunch of sissies afraid of needles.
    If they
    hold tight to these attitudes pretty soon their will be no
    Republican
    voters.

    And there we have it: partisan bullshit.

    You're part of the problem.

    Which problem is that?


    Partisan hackery. You fucking statists are so stupid as to
    think the problem is with "the other party".


    The problem is partisan bullshit.


    Don
    aa#51
    o- DNRC
    Jedi Slackmaster



    Well said.

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