• 55 People Died in US After Receiving COVID-19 Vaccines: Reporting S

    From Tom Futerra@21:1/5 to M I Wakefield on Mon Jan 18 16:35:04 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics, talk.politics.drugs

    "M I Wakefield" wrote in message news:7hm80gd0f5ekn10881nu5q9l7s9633q0mn@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:33:18 +1100, "Andrew W" ><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/55-people-died-in-us-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-reporting-system_3659152.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-3

    Epoch Times is not a credible source; you should stop paying attention
    to them.


    Why not? Is it because it doesn't say what you want to hear?


    Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a
    COVID-19
    vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

    Yes, people die all the time.


    Dumb rationalization.


    Get Ready for False Side Effects

    Bob Wachter of UCSF had a very good thread on Twitter about vaccine
    rollouts the other day, and one of the good points he made was this
    one. We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which
    means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and
    morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take
    10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their
    upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000
    heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of
    cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual >all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die
    and get sick anyway.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/get-ready-for-false-side-effects


    A very good thread? Why? That's one person's very negative opinion. Or it's
    a drug company shill. Why are you so into this death stuff? You must be
    really scared, or you are with them.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Tom Futerra on Mon Jan 18 08:13:55 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    On 1/17/21 9:35 PM, Tom Futerra wrote:
    "M I Wakefield"  wrote in message news:7hm80gd0f5ekn10881nu5q9l7s9633q0mn@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:33:18 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


    https://www.theepochtimes.com/55-people-died-in-us-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-reporting-system_3659152.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-3


    Epoch Times is not a credible source; you should stop paying attention
    to them.


    Why not? Is it because it doesn't say what you want to hear?

    It has a bias against China's government which is about
    as bright as DJT's government. The publishers are members of
    a new religion or cult rejected as subversive of Chinese Morality.
    Maybe it is but it also publishes anything that can hurt the
    Chinese Government.



    Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a
    COVID-19
    vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

    Yes, people die all the time.


    Dumb rationalization.

    Not really, i am 83 yoa age and expect that sooner or later
    I will be dead because of some silly little thing. Death has been
    with humanity since we got past grunting and invented language.
    And it was there a lot earlier otherwise we would live in a world
    full of ancestral forms and we do not see those except in archeology
    and paleontology. At some point we may no longer die but it will
    likely be because the species homo sapiens sapiens is extinct.



    Get Ready for False Side Effects

    Bob Wachter of UCSF had a very good thread on Twitter about vaccine
    rollouts the other day, and one of the good points he made was this
    one. We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which
    means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and
    morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take
    10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their
    upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000
    heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of
    cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual
    all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die
    and get sick anyway.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/get-ready-for-false-side-effects

    Right now I have three friends struggling with cancer. We had no idea about 2 of them until recently and the 3rd was already sick when i met him.

    A very good thread? Why? That's one person's very negative opinion. Or it's
    a drug company shill. Why are you so into this death stuff? You must be really scared, or you are with them.

    And you are an anti-vaxxer promulgating useless data points

    That is Ok with me if you are willing to live in isolation. If
    you want to run around spreading your various diseases to the General Population look up Typhoid Mary. She refused to believe she was a
    disease carrier and killed lots of folks.

    That will be the eventual fate of anti-vaxxers. Like her
    you are the carrier of a deadly meme and sooner of later will be
    kept out of the way of the GP.

    bliss - "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "Uh, I think so, Brain, but balancing a family and a career ... ooh,
    it's all too much for me."

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  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Tue Jan 19 10:13:39 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:ru4c45$44i$1@dont-email.me...

    On 1/17/21 9:35 PM, Tom Futerra wrote:
    "M I Wakefield" wrote in message
    news:7hm80gd0f5ekn10881nu5q9l7s9633q0mn@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:33:18 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


    https://www.theepochtimes.com/55-people-died-in-us-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-reporting-system_3659152.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-3

    Epoch Times is not a credible source; you should stop paying attention
    to them.


    Why not? Is it because it doesn't say what you want to hear?

    It has a bias against China's government which is about
    as bright as DJT's government. The publishers are members of
    a new religion or cult rejected as subversive of Chinese Morality.
    Maybe it is but it also publishes anything that can hurt the
    Chinese Government.


    I'm questioning where you and others get this info from.



    Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a
    COVID-19
    vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

    Yes, people die all the time.


    Dumb rationalization.

    Not really, i am 83 yoa age and expect that sooner or later
    I will be dead because of some silly little thing. Death has been
    with humanity since we got past grunting and invented language.
    And it was there a lot earlier otherwise we would live in a world
    full of ancestral forms and we do not see those except in archeology
    and paleontology. At some point we may no longer die but it will
    likely be because the species homo sapiens sapiens is extinct.


    Yeah ok but you're just talking about normal deaths. That's not what's being discussed.
    Bill Gates and others connected to the government (Rothschilds etc) have
    said for many years they want to reduce the population. Look up Agenda 2030. Covid has been in the planning for ten years or more according to insiders.



    Get Ready for False Side Effects

    Bob Wachter of UCSF had a very good thread on Twitter about vaccine
    rollouts the other day, and one of the good points he made was this
    one. We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which
    means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and
    morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take
    10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their
    upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000
    heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of
    cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual
    all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die
    and get sick anyway.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/get-ready-for-false-side-effects

    Right now I have three friends struggling with cancer. We had no idea
    about 2 of them until recently and the 3rd was already sick when i met him.


    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda, not to
    mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.


    A very good thread? Why? That's one person's very negative opinion. Or
    it's
    a drug company shill. Why are you so into this death stuff? You must be
    really scared, or you are with them.

    And you are an anti-vaxxer promulgating useless data points


    No, I have nothing against good medicine/vaccines. What I am is
    anti-corruption and anti-fascism and you should be too.
    The anti-vaxxer label is another tool used by the corrupt media to divide
    the people and cause more problems in society to keep us busy.


    That is Ok with me if you are willing to live in isolation.

    Isolation is yet another tactic by our governments.


    If you want to run around spreading your various diseases to the General >Population look up Typhoid Mary. She refused to believe she was a
    disease carrier and killed lots of folks. That will be the eventual fate of >anti-vaxxers. Like her
    you are the carrier of a deadly meme and sooner of later will be
    kept out of the way of the GP.


    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the media. Question
    things.



    bliss - "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "Uh, I think so, Brain, but balancing a family and a career ... ooh,
    it's all too much for me."

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  • From John Baker@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 19 16:27:42 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics, talk.politics.drugs

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:35:04 +1100, "Tom Futerra" <dtel4@gtech.com>
    wrote:

    "M I Wakefield" wrote in message >news:7hm80gd0f5ekn10881nu5q9l7s9633q0mn@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:33:18 +1100, "Andrew W" >><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/55-people-died-in-us-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-reporting-system_3659152.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-3

    Epoch Times is not a credible source; you should stop paying attention
    to them.


    Why not? Is it because it doesn't say what you want to hear?

    No, because it's a bullshit right-wing propaganda rag.



    Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a >>>COVID-19
    vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

    Yes, people die all the time.


    Dumb rationalization.

    So people *don't* die all the time, then?



    Get Ready for False Side Effects

    Bob Wachter of UCSF had a very good thread on Twitter about vaccine >>rollouts the other day, and one of the good points he made was this
    one. Were talking about treating very, very large populations, which
    means that youre going to see the usual run of mortality and
    morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take
    10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their
    upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 >>heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of
    cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual >>all-causes mortality. No one would notice. Thats how many people die
    and get sick anyway.
    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/get-ready-for-false-side-effects


    A very good thread? Why? That's one person's very negative opinion. Or it's
    a drug company shill. Why are you so into this death stuff? You must be >really scared, or you are with them.

    Does it hurt to be that stupid, Skippy?






    AA #1898
    Giver of No Fucks
    Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 19 16:17:03 2021
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.politics, talk.politics.drugs
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    "John Baker" wrote in message news:njje0gl4ic2srej96klq555af73vg5v13m@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:35:04 +1100, "Tom Futerra" <dtel4@gtech.com>
    wrote:

    "M I Wakefield" wrote in message >>news:7hm80gd0f5ekn10881nu5q9l7s9633q0mn@4ax.com...

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:33:18 +1100, "Andrew W" >>><spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


    https://www.theepochtimes.com/55-people-died-in-us-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-reporting-system_3659152.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-3

    Epoch Times is not a credible source; you should stop paying attention
    to them.


    Why not? Is it because it doesn't say what you want to hear?

    No, because it's a bullshit right-wing propaganda rag.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-gives-farewell-speech-the-movement-we-started-is-only-just-beginning_3663134.html

    HOW RIGHT HE IS!

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  • From El Kabong@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Wed Jan 20 12:34:01 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda, not to mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.

    If THEY were trying to kill people, why would THEY even
    treat cancer?

    No, I have nothing against good medicine/vaccines. What I am is anti-corruption and anti-fascism and you should be too.

    What you are is anti-science and anti-humanity.

    The anti-vaxxer label is another tool used by the corrupt media to divide
    the people and cause more problems in society to keep us busy.

    The corrupt-media label is another tool used by the
    corrupt anti-humanity kooks to explain their mismatch
    with reality.


    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the media. Question things.

    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the
    lunatic fringe. Question things. They can't back up
    anything they claim, the way science can.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Andrew W@21:1/5 to El Kabong on Thu Jan 21 13:08:43 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    "El Kabong" wrote in message news:k8cf0gd8p317q7ruvtribuu9uu2haqkftf@4ax.com...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda, not to
    mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.

    If THEY were trying to kill people, why would THEY even
    treat cancer?


    There are cancer cures now and have been for years. They 'treat' cancer
    because the drug companies and oncologists and even many regular doctors
    (who are just highly paid drug pushers) make lots of money from it.


    No, I have nothing against good medicine/vaccines. What I am is
    anti-corruption and anti-fascism and you should be too.

    What you are is anti-science and anti-humanity.


    No I'm a science and technology person.
    Anti-humanity?? That's the shadow governments. You are confused.


    The anti-vaxxer label is another tool used by the corrupt media to divide
    the people and cause more problems in society to keep us busy.

    The corrupt-media label is another tool used by the
    corrupt anti-humanity kooks to explain their mismatch
    with reality.


    That's your blind opinion.


    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the media. Question
    things.

    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the
    lunatic fringe. Question things. They can't back up
    anything they claim, the way science can.


    Seems you're a good parrot as well.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Wed Jan 20 20:51:42 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:ruannf$gqh$1@dont-email.me:

    "El Kabong" wrote in message news:k8cf0gd8p317q7ruvtribuu9uu2haqkftf@4ax.com...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda, not
    to mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.

    If THEY were trying to kill people, why would THEY even
    treat cancer?


    There are cancer cures now and have been for years. They 'treat'
    cancer because the drug companies and oncologists and even many
    regular doctors (who are just highly paid drug pushers) make lots of
    money from it.


    Huh?

    You think doctors die of cancer just to
    protect "the money they make from it"?

    Or do you think doctors and their families
    don't actually get cancer?

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  • From El Kabong@21:1/5 to Andrew W on Thu Jan 21 10:44:07 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    "El Kabong" wrote in message news:k8cf0gd8p317q7ruvtribuu9uu2haqkftf@4ax.com...

    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda, not to
    mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.

    If THEY were trying to kill people, why would THEY even
    treat cancer?


    There are cancer cures now and have been for years. They 'treat' cancer because the drug companies and oncologists and even many regular doctors
    (who are just highly paid drug pushers) make lots of money from it.

    So when the oncologist's family members get cancer, he
    give them apricot pits and keeps them away from
    hospitals. Everyone knows that!


    No, I have nothing against good medicine/vaccines. What I am is
    anti-corruption and anti-fascism and you should be too.

    What you are is anti-science and anti-humanity.


    No I'm a science and technology person.
    Anti-humanity?? That's the shadow governments. You are confused.

    You don't have a scientific bone in your body.

    Oh well. Philosophy is greater than science, eh.


    The anti-vaxxer label is another tool used by the corrupt media to divide >> the people and cause more problems in society to keep us busy.

    The corrupt-media label is another tool used by the
    corrupt anti-humanity kooks to explain their mismatch
    with reality.


    That's your blind opinion.

    One blind opinion can just as well refute another one.

    My blind opinion came from decades of research. Where's
    yours from?

    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the media. Question
    things.

    Don't just believe every kind of scare mongering in the
    lunatic fringe. Question things. They can't back up
    anything they claim, the way science can.


    Seems you're a good parrot as well.

    That's exactly what THEY told you to say!

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au on Wed Jan 20 23:22:09 2021
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, alt.atheism

    On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:08:43 +1100, "Andrew W"
    <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
    "El Kabong" wrote in message news:k8cf0gd8p317q7ruvtribuu9uu2haqkftf@4ax.com...


    "Andrew W" <spam_ajwerner@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    Cancer and chemotherapy are another population reduction agenda,
    not to
    mention a profit racket for and by the drug companies.

    If THEY were trying to kill people, why would THEY even
    treat cancer?



    There are cancer cures now and have been for years. They 'treat'
    cancer
    because the drug companies and oncologists and even many regular
    doctors
    (who are just highly paid drug pushers) make lots of money from it.


    That's a particularly vicious lie, Andrew. You're being manipulated.
    They want you to come across as a kook so that nobody will believe
    you when you do tell the truth.

    There are much better alternative info sources than the ones you've
    been reading. If you want to be credible, dump the garbage.

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