• diabetes FAQ: general (part 1 of 5) (2/2)

    From Edward Reid@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 26 00:02:40 2015
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    doctor. This will give the doctor more information than any examination
    or lab test can give. Furthermore, if you are waiting for an
    appointment, this record will put you ahead of the game when you
    actually see the doctor. (If during this monitoring you see a dramatic
    rise in blood glucose, to preprandial levels of 250 mg/dl [15 mmol/L]
    and above, call the doctors and say you need an appointment *now*, not
    in a month, not next week, and quote your bg levels.)

    As an additional advantage, doing this monitoring on your own will
    demonstrate to the doctor that you are willing to put in this kind of
    effort. Often doctors are reluctant to ask patients to put in serious
    time to monitor their health because so many patients don't follow up.

    Blood glucose meters and all the supplies are OTC items. (True in the
    USA, and I haven't heard of any country with a different policy.)
    However, depending on where you live and what type of insurance or
    national medical coverage you have, you may have to pay from your own
    pocket if you do not have a prescription or proper pre-authorization.
    For a month or so of monitoring, this is probably worth the cost.

    2) Increase your exercise level, within levels that are safe in light
    of any other medical conditions. In other words, if you are not already
    in an exercise program, consult your doctor. Exercise will also help
    with other stresses you are under. This is primarily applicable if you
    suspect type 2 diabetes, but may help with hypoglycemia also.

    3) Improve your diet if you are not already watching it carefully. A
    standard diet with moderate calories and fat is good at this stage,
    until you see the specialist. If you suspect hypoglycemia, you may want
    to be especially careful of eating large amounts at one time, and avoid concentrated sugars.

    ------------------------------

    Subject: Exercise and insulin

    Charles Coughran <ccoughran(AT)ucsd.edu> contributed this section.

    The best way to deal with problems associated with diabetes and exercise
    begins with understanding of what goes on in the metabolic system of
    normal people and what the differences are for diabetics. Only with
    such understanding can you make intelligent choices about
    pharmacological tactics. Relying on rules of thumb can cause more
    problems it solves because of the wide variability of individual
    responses and the wide variety of diseases that fall under the rubric
    of diabetes. Not to mention, I have seen postings where the rules of
    thumb were clearly misunderstood.

    While the following is intended for those who take insulin, it may
    assist those on oral medications as well. Exercise in this context
    means extended aerobic activity, say a minimum of 20 minutes of
    jogging. This is a somewhat simplified account but I think it captures
    the most important aspects for exercise related bg control. Comments encouraged.

    When a normal person starts to exercise, the insulin output of his
    pancreas goes down. At first blush, this seems backward since the
    muscles are working hard and therefore require more glucose to be
    transported from the blood into the cells. There are two reasons more
    glucose can be transported with less available insulin. The first is
    that during exercise insulin becomes much more efficient. The mechanism
    of this effect is not fully understood, but it helps overcomes the
    reduction in circulating insulin.

    Second, exercise activates non-insulin mediated glucose transport
    pathways. These pathways are not sufficient to handle the load in the
    absence of insulin, but do increase the effective insulin efficiency.

    When insulin levels decline relative to the counterregulatory hormones
    -- glucagon, epinephrine, norepinephrine, growth hormone, and cortisol
    -- the liver is stimulated to release stored glucose. The blood glucose
    that is being transported into the cells is replaced by that from
    hepatic stores. It is this hormonal balance system that keeps the
    levels of blood glucose in the normal narrow range during exercise.

    For those of us who inject insulin, the first problem is obvious. Our circulating levels of insulin do not react to exercise. Absent any
    correction, when the muscles demand glucose and insulin becomes more
    efficient our blood glucose plummets and we become hypoglycemic. This
    is the reason for a commonly encountered prohibition to not schedule
    exercise when your insulin is peaking. The higher the level of
    circulating insulin, the more pronounced the effect.

    One solution is to reduce our circulating insulin levels by reducing
    insulin intake. Here specific advice starts to be difficult due to the
    wide variety of insulins, regimens, and individual variability. The
    spectrum spans from a Type II who takes a little NPH to help his beta
    cells out to a c-peptide free pumper. I have spoken to diabetic runners
    whose tactics would put me in an ambulance, even though our situations
    seem to be very similar. You see a lot of advice of the form, "reduce
    your insulin 2 units for every hour of strenuous exercise". This kind
    of advice ignores real world variability and is sometimes much worse
    than useless.

    Clearly, someone who takes one shot/day has a much more limited ability
    to adjust circulating insulin levels than someone using multiple
    injections or a pump.

    The other approach is to increase blood glucose levels by eating
    carbohydrates timed to arrive at the blood stream in the form of
    glucose when it is needed. The easiest way to do that is usually to eat
    fast acting carbohydrates during or immediately preceding exercise.
    Again, there are rules of thumb around about so many grams of
    carbohydrates for a particular length of exercise at some defined
    level. Again, they seem to be swamped by individual and circumstantial variability.

    Some of us do a combination of both and pump up our bg levels somewhat
    before exercise and reduce insulin levels to keep things on an even
    keel.

    The bottom line is to make careful adjustments and test, and test, and
    test, to find out how things work for your particular body.

    So much for too much insulin. What happens when the circulating insulin
    level is too low? When levels are so low that even the increase in
    insulin efficiency doesn't overcome the defect, glucose isn't
    transported into the cells. Worse, since insulin levels are low the
    liver continues to pump glucose into the blood. The result is bg levels
    rise with exercise. The muscles get stressed due to lack of fuel and
    the metabolism of fats kicks in, ketones start being produced and the
    danger of ketosis or ketoacidosis looms. This is the basis for another
    rule of thumb which is often misunderstood. The rule is usually stated
    "don't exercise when your bg is above 240 mg/dl (13.3 mmol/l) and
    ketones are present in the urine". This makes sense because those are
    signs that you have inadequate insulin supplies -- that's how many of
    us got diagnosed. Exercise in those circumstances will make things
    worse, not better. On the other hand, if you are 300 mg/dl (16.7
    mmol/l) because you just drank a large regular cola by mistake with
    lunch, exercise is a great way to bring that bg down in a hurry. Why
    your bg is elevated is just as important as the fact of the elevated
    level when deciding whether or not exercise is contraindicated. The 240
    is also a somewhat arbitrary number. Some people start throwing ketones
    at significantly lower levels.

    In short: avoid exercise if your insulin level is too low. Do exercise
    if you are sure your insulin level is adequate but your blood glucose
    is too high.

    Exercise also produces effects at longer time scales. Sometime after
    exercise, there is often a take up of blood glucose by the muscles to
    replenish depleted stores. This most often occurs an hour or two after exercise, but has been reported in the range of 1/2 hour to 48 hours.
    Again, as is the case during exercise, artificially high insulin levels
    will lead to hypoglycemia. The last rule of thumb is to watch for
    hypoglycemia after exercise.

    *SPECULATION BEGINS HERE* A problem some of us encounter from time to
    time is a post exercise bg spike. Blood glucose readings will be
    reasonable after exercise but sharply elevated a few hours later. It is
    my speculation that this represents circulating insulin levels that
    were adequate to deal with exercise induced blood glucose demand with
    its attendant insulin efficiency increase, but too low to deal with the
    post exercise demand when insulin efficiency has lowered somewhat. It
    has been my experience that post exercise elevated bg levels respond to
    much less insulin than would be required in a more normal situation. It
    appears that insulin efficiency falls off after exercise at some rate
    and you can be on the correct side of the curve during exercise and the
    wrong side after. This hypothesis is the best of a couple I have come
    up with. *SPECULATION ENDS HERE*

    Regular exercise over time scales of weeks or months can reduce overall
    insulin requirements. In addition, as muscles become trained and
    improve their internal storage, it feeds back into the amount of
    glucose demand present during exercise, and thus into the entire
    control cycle.

    Diabetes makes exercise, and almost everything else, harder. But, hey,
    if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun :-)

    There are two very good, readable books from which you can get more information. The better is Campaigne and Lampman, _Exercise in the
    Clinical Management of Diabetes_. Almost as good is _The Health
    Professional's Guide to Diabetes and Exercise_ edited by Ruderman and
    Devlin and published by the American Diabetes Association.

    ------------------------------

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    Tallahassee FL

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  • From Edward Reid@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 26 00:02:40 2015
    [continued from previous message]

    doctor. This will give the doctor more information than any examination
    or lab test can give. Furthermore, if you are waiting for an
    appointment, this record will put you ahead of the game when you
    actually see the doctor. (If during this monitoring you see a dramatic
    rise in blood glucose, to preprandial levels of 250 mg/dl [15 mmol/L]
    and above, call the doctors and say you need an appointment *now*, not
    in a month, not next week, and quote your bg levels.)

    As an additional advantage, doing this monitoring on your own will
    demonstrate to the doctor that you are willing to put in this kind of
    effort. Often doctors are reluctant to ask patients to put in serious
    time to monitor their health because so many patients don't follow up.

    Blood glucose meters and all the supplies are OTC items. (True in the
    USA, and I haven't heard of any country with a different policy.)
    However, depending on where you live and what type of insurance or
    national medical coverage you have, you may have to pay from your own
    pocket if you do not have a prescription or proper pre-authorization.
    For a month or so of monitoring, this is probably worth the cost.

    2) Increase your exercise level, within levels that are safe in light
    of any other medical conditions. In other words, if you are not already
    in an exercise program, consult your doctor. Exercise will also help
    with other stresses you are under. This is primarily applicable if you
    suspect type 2 diabetes, but may help with hypoglycemia also.

    3) Improve your diet if you are not already watching it carefully. A
    standard diet with moderate calories and fat is good at this stage,
    until you see the specialist. If you suspect hypoglycemia, you may want
    to be especially careful of eating large amounts at one time, and avoid concentrated sugars.

    ------------------------------

    Subject: Exercise and insulin

    Charles Coughran <ccoughran(AT)ucsd.edu> contributed this section.

    The best way to deal with problems associated with diabetes and exercise
    begins with understanding of what goes on in the metabolic system of
    normal people and what the differences are for diabetics. Only with
    such understanding can you make intelligent choices about
    pharmacological tactics. Relying on rules of thumb can cause more
    problems it solves because of the wide variability of individual
    responses and the wide variety of diseases that fall under the rubric
    of diabetes. Not to mention, I have seen postings where the rules of
    thumb were clearly misunderstood.

    While the following is intended for those who take insulin, it may
    assist those on oral medications as well. Exercise in this context
    means extended aerobic activity, say a minimum of 20 minutes of
    jogging. This is a somewhat simplified account but I think it captures
    the most important aspects for exercise related bg control. Comments encouraged.

    When a normal person starts to exercise, the insulin output of his
    pancreas goes down. At first blush, this seems backward since the
    muscles are working hard and therefore require more glucose to be
    transported from the blood into the cells. There are two reasons more
    glucose can be transported with less available insulin. The first is
    that during exercise insulin becomes much more efficient. The mechanism
    of this effect is not fully understood, but it helps overcomes the
    reduction in circulating insulin.

    Second, exercise activates non-insulin mediated glucose transport
    pathways. These pathways are not sufficient to handle the load in the
    absence of insulin, but do increase the effective insulin efficiency.

    When insulin levels decline relative to the counterregulatory hormones
    -- glucagon, epinephrine, norepinephrine, growth hormone, and cortisol
    -- the liver is stimulated to release stored glucose. The blood glucose
    that is being transported into the cells is replaced by that from
    hepatic stores. It is this hormonal balance system that keeps the
    levels of blood glucose in the normal narrow range during exercise.

    For those of us who inject insulin, the first problem is obvious. Our circulating levels of insulin do not react to exercise. Absent any
    correction, when the muscles demand glucose and insulin becomes more
    efficient our blood glucose plummets and we become hypoglycemic. This
    is the reason for a commonly encountered prohibition to not schedule
    exercise when your insulin is peaking. The higher the level of
    circulating insulin, the more pronounced the effect.

    One solution is to reduce our circulating insulin levels by reducing
    insulin intake. Here specific advice starts to be difficult due to the
    wide variety of insulins, regimens, and individual variability. The
    spectrum spans from a Type II who takes a little NPH to help his beta
    cells out to a c-peptide free pumper. I have spoken to diabetic runners
    whose tactics would put me in an ambulance, even though our situations
    seem to be very similar. You see a lot of advice of the form, "reduce
    your insulin 2 units for every hour of strenuous exercise". This kind
    of advice ignores real world variability and is sometimes much worse
    than useless.

    Clearly, someone who takes one shot/day has a much more limited ability
    to adjust circulating insulin levels than someone using multiple
    injections or a pump.

    The other approach is to increase blood glucose levels by eating
    carbohydrates timed to arrive at the blood stream in the form of
    glucose when it is needed. The easiest way to do that is usually to eat
    fast acting carbohydrates during or immediately preceding exercise.
    Again, there are rules of thumb around about so many grams of
    carbohydrates for a particular length of exercise at some defined
    level. Again, they seem to be swamped by individual and circumstantial variability.

    Some of us do a combination of both and pump up our bg levels somewhat
    before exercise and reduce insulin levels to keep things on an even
    keel.

    The bottom line is to make careful adjustments and test, and test, and
    test, to find out how things work for your particular body.

    So much for too much insulin. What happens when the circulating insulin
    level is too low? When levels are so low that even the increase in
    insulin efficiency doesn't overcome the defect, glucose isn't
    transported into the cells. Worse, since insulin levels are low the
    liver continues to pump glucose into the blood. The result is bg levels
    rise with exercise. The muscles get stressed due to lack of fuel and
    the metabolism of fats kicks in, ketones start being produced and the
    danger of ketosis or ketoacidosis looms. This is the basis for another
    rule of thumb which is often misunderstood. The rule is usually stated
    "don't exercise when your bg is above 240 mg/dl (13.3 mmol/l) and
    ketones are present in the urine". This makes sense because those are
    signs that you have inadequate insulin supplies -- that's how many of
    us got diagnosed. Exercise in those circumstances will make things
    worse, not better. On the other hand, if you are 300 mg/dl (16.7
    mmol/l) because you just drank a large regular cola by mistake with
    lunch, exercise is a great way to bring that bg down in a hurry. Why
    your bg is elevated is just as important as the fact of the elevated
    level when deciding whether or not exercise is contraindicated. The 240
    is also a somewhat arbitrary number. Some people start throwing ketones
    at significantly lower levels.

    In short: avoid exercise if your insulin level is too low. Do exercise
    if you are sure your insulin level is adequate but your blood glucose
    is too high.

    Exercise also produces effects at longer time scales. Sometime after
    exercise, there is often a take up of blood glucose by the muscles to
    replenish depleted stores. This most often occurs an hour or two after exercise, but has been reported in the range of 1/2 hour to 48 hours.
    Again, as is the case during exercise, artificially high insulin levels
    will lead to hypoglycemia. The last rule of thumb is to watch for
    hypoglycemia after exercise.

    *SPECULATION BEGINS HERE* A problem some of us encounter from time to
    time is a post exercise bg spike. Blood glucose readings will be
    reasonable after exercise but sharply elevated a few hours later. It is
    my speculation that this represents circulating insulin levels that
    were adequate to deal with exercise induced blood glucose demand with
    its attendant insulin efficiency increase, but too low to deal with the
    post exercise demand when insulin efficiency has lowered somewhat. It
    has been my experience that post exercise elevated bg levels respond to
    much less insulin than would be required in a more normal situation. It
    appears that insulin efficiency falls off after exercise at some rate
    and you can be on the correct side of the curve during exercise and the
    wrong side after. This hypothesis is the best of a couple I have come
    up with. *SPECULATION ENDS HERE*

    Regular exercise over time scales of weeks or months can reduce overall
    insulin requirements. In addition, as muscles become trained and
    improve their internal storage, it feeds back into the amount of
    glucose demand present during exercise, and thus into the entire
    control cycle.

    Diabetes makes exercise, and almost everything else, harder. But, hey,
    if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun :-)

    There are two very good, readable books from which you can get more information. The better is Campaigne and Lampman, _Exercise in the
    Clinical Management of Diabetes_. Almost as good is _The Health
    Professional's Guide to Diabetes and Exercise_ edited by Ruderman and
    Devlin and published by the American Diabetes Association.

    ------------------------------

    Subject: Who did this?

    --
    Edward Reid <edward@paleo.org.SPAMNOT>
    Tallahassee FL

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