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On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:

Hello Michael,

Thank you for responding. Your comments were rather supportive of my theory.

I haven't (or so I thought!) intimated that *.bat files are spreading 'in
the wild', rather that I feel that they may be being utilised by (probably)
a small number of 'bad guys' who are hiding within a specific newsgroup, the purpose of which is supposed to help others with their PC problems (*still* no concrete proof, which is highly frustrating!). There are, though,
hundreds of users of the 'host' server, so many users may be compromised.

When I discussed the threat I received with our Police (once I had recovered funds fraudulently taken from my bank account by PayPal last year) I discovered just how massive Cybercrime has become. Discussion with their Hi-Tech crime unit then led me to investigate further, and I discovered findings by Sunbelt Software which, in turn, made me realise that no-one really knows just *how* such crime is growing. So, perhaps in memory of my son, I've done my best to identify how it *may* be being done (at least in part).

I feel that I can take the matter little further on my own.

Thanks again.

David

PS You will find many posts I've made before if you 'Google' for BoaterDave, but find out just who *I* am if you 'Google' for BoaterDaveTJ :) ____________________________________________________

"Michael D. Alligood" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:uvPeWwFJHHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

I guess I will join this thread and post my 2 cents in as well. Let us
start with the basics: What is a virus? According to Microsoft, a viruses
are, "(Computer viruses are) software programs that are deliberately
designed to interfere with computer operation, record, corrupt, or delete
data, or spread themselves to other computers and throughout the Internet." >> This includes *.bat files. So can *.bat files be viruses? Of course. It is >> a possibility. However, *.bat files are old technology (but that is still
in use today). The probability of a *.bat virus spreading on the internet
is slim; at least one that is spreading quickly in the wild. A batch file
is a collection of commands; although not as sophisticated as today's
scripts.

I remember old batch files that would reboot your computer and format your >> c:\ drive or worse fdisk the whole drive. To knock on wood, I have not run >> across many viruses nowadays that do this. IMHO, I worry about spyware 10x >> more than viruses.

I feel as if I have digressed, so I will stop now. :-) I hope that helps


--
Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCDST, MCP, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
CIW Certified Instructor



"BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:OPX5MnFJHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

Ooops! Sorry about that - I was deep in thought and sent the blank
response
in error. :(

Perhaps it was Divine intervention - I then saw the post from Kerry
Brown.
Or, as he's known elsewhere, TechB.

What you couldn't know, gls858, is that my younger son, Nick, who would
have
been 36 tomorrow, tragically collapsed and died almost 8 years ago. No
cause
for his death was found. He was a computer guru, with a first class
degree
in Physics, and worked for ICL. He could *always* answer my queries
........
and I miss him.

I appreciate *your* help. Thank you.

My basic understanding now is that, as a 'bat' file is not a 'virus' per >>> se,
it would (probably) not be picked up by an anti-virus programme. However, >>> I
suspect that if such a file was surepticiously placed on one's PC, it
could
issue commands to make one's PC do just about anything, including being
able
to make adjustments to, in my case, NIS 2006.

If I'm right about this (and I recognise that I may have got it wrong yet >>> again!) unless one specifically seeks out a suspicious 'bat' file, one's >>> PC
could apparently be working normally whilst, at the same time, be acting >>> as
a 'zombie' for unscrupulous persons unknown. (Perhaps that is what my
'script kiddie' meant - he's no academic, that's for sure!)

Referring to the post from KB, I'd just mention that he 'advises' on the >>> N/g
to which I was lured (by email) following posts I made here with MS back >>> in
February. I was highly suspicious then, and still feel that there may be >>> those with malicious intent residing there (perhaps using the PC's of
other
newsgroup members as zombies too - just my theory!). I'm aware that some >>> 'members' there scan these MS newsgroups - perhaps looking for other
vulnerable 'clients' - I could determine no other reason.

I didn't know what a 'Troll' was this time last year. All I've been
trying
to do is identify just how the 'bad guys' wreak havoc on the 'Net, not
simply 'clean' my own machine.

FWIW (and I didn't know what that meant either, then! <g>)

David
______________________________________________________


"gls858" <gls858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23I3gzxEJHHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

It's not the fact that's it's a .bat file that makes it good or bad
it's the commands that it contains. A .bat is simply a series of
commands.
If you want to see the contents of a .bat file simply right click and
select edit. If you or your so called "script kiddie" don't understand >>>> the
commands contained in the batch file I would suggest you find a real
computer programmer to explain to you what the file is intended to do. >>>> Batch files are commonly used to perform redundant tasks on a schedule. >>>>
gls858

There's a post from Kerry Brown there too!

<#K3I#IFJHHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

He lied!

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On 11 Apr 2020, David wrote
(in article <KdgkG.300961$kO2.131389@fx20.iad>):

On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:
[nonsense, deleted]
There's a post from Kerry Brown there too!

<#K3I#IFJHHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

He lied!

You have, again, dug up a necrothread, this time from 2006, and are, again, replying to yourself, as ‘BoterDave is one of your several dozen nyms. Once again you have provided evidence to support the position that you are a
lying, brain-damaged, alcohol-soaked, troll, as you are quoting _yourself_ as if it were evidence to support yourself. It could be that you merely forgot
who ‘BoaterDave’ was/is, but that in itself would be evidence supporting the contention that you’re a brain-damaged alcoholic. The fact that you
are, again, compelled to quote yourself in support of your inane, insane, idiocy should have told you that you are in a distinct minority on the
subject. As you’re a brain-damaged fool, you failed to notice. As you’re
a brain-damaged fool you thought, erroneously, that no-one would check. Assuming that what happens using the single surviving neuron in your alcohol-soaked brain can be classified as ‘thought’, that is.

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On 11/04/2020 13:02, Wolffan wrote:

On 11 Apr 2020, David wrote
(in article <KdgkG.300961$kO2.131389@fx20.iad>):

On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:
[nonsense, deleted]
There's a post from Kerry Brown there too!

<#K3I#IFJHHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

He lied!

You have, again, dug up a necrothread, this time from 2006, and are, again, replying to yourself, as ‘BoterDave is one of your several dozen nyms. Once again you have provided evidence to support the position that you are a lying, brain-damaged, alcohol-soaked, troll, as you are quoting _yourself_ as if it were evidence to support yourself. It could be that you merely forgot who ‘BoaterDave’ was/is, but that in itself would be evidence supporting the contention that you’re a brain-damaged alcoholic. The fact that you are, again, compelled to quote yourself in support of your inane, insane, idiocy should have told you that you are in a distinct minority on the subject. As you’re a brain-damaged fool, you failed to notice. As you’re a brain-damaged fool you thought, erroneously, that no-one would check. Assuming that what happens using the single surviving neuron in your alcohol-soaked brain can be classified as ‘thought’, that is.

You appear to have snipped some detail, Woolfie!

Here it is again.


On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:

Hello Michael,

Thank you for responding. Your comments were rather supportive of my

theory.

I haven't (or so I thought!) intimated that *.bat files are spreading 'in the wild', rather that I feel that they may be being utilised by

(probably)

a small number of 'bad guys' who are hiding within a specific

newsgroup, the

purpose of which is supposed to help others with their PC problems

(*still*

no concrete proof, which is highly frustrating!). There are, though, hundreds of users of the 'host' server, so many users may be compromised.

When I discussed the threat I received with our Police (once I had

recovered

funds fraudulently taken from my bank account by PayPal last year) I discovered just how massive Cybercrime has become. Discussion with their Hi-Tech crime unit then led me to investigate further, and I discovered findings by Sunbelt Software which, in turn, made me realise that no-one really knows just *how* such crime is growing. So, perhaps in memory

of my

son, I've done my best to identify how it *may* be being done (at

least in

part).

I feel that I can take the matter little further on my own.

Thanks again.

David

PS You will find many posts I've made before if you 'Google' for

BoaterDave,

but find out just who *I* am if you 'Google' for BoaterDaveTJ ____________________________________________________

"Michael D. Alligood" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:uvPeWwFJHHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

I guess I will join this thread and post my 2 cents in as well. Let us
start with the basics: What is a virus? According to Microsoft, a

viruses

are, "(Computer viruses are) software programs that are deliberately
designed to interfere with computer operation, record, corrupt, or

delete

data, or spread themselves to other computers and throughout the

Internet."

This includes *.bat files. So can *.bat files be viruses? Of course.

It is

a possibility. However, *.bat files are old technology (but that is

still

in use today). The probability of a *.bat virus spreading on the

internet

is slim; at least one that is spreading quickly in the wild. A batch

file

is a collection of commands; although not as sophisticated as today's
scripts.

I remember old batch files that would reboot your computer and

format your

c:\ drive or worse fdisk the whole drive. To knock on wood, I have

not run

across many viruses nowadays that do this. IMHO, I worry about

spyware 10x

more than viruses.

I feel as if I have digressed, so I will stop now. I hope that helps


--
Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCDST, MCP, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
CIW Certified Instructor



"BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:OPX5MnFJHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

Ooops! Sorry about that - I was deep in thought and sent the blank
response
in error.

Perhaps it was Divine intervention - I then saw the post from Kerry
Brown.
Or, as he's known elsewhere, TechB.

What you couldn't know, gls858, is that my younger son, Nick, who would
have
been 36 tomorrow, tragically collapsed and died almost 8 years ago. No
cause
for his death was found. He was a computer guru, with a first class
degree
in Physics, and worked for ICL. He could *always* answer my queries
........
and I miss him.

I appreciate *your* help. Thank you.

My basic understanding now is that, as a 'bat' file is not a

'virus' per

se,
it would (probably) not be picked up by an anti-virus programme.

However,

I
suspect that if such a file was surepticiously placed on one's PC, it
could
issue commands to make one's PC do just about anything, including being
able
to make adjustments to, in my case, NIS 2006.

If I'm right about this (and I recognise that I may have got it

wrong yet

again!) unless one specifically seeks out a suspicious 'bat' file,

one's

PC
could apparently be working normally whilst, at the same time, be

acting

as
a 'zombie' for unscrupulous persons unknown. (Perhaps that is what my
'script kiddie' meant - he's no academic, that's for sure!)

Referring to the post from KB, I'd just mention that he 'advises'

on the

N/g
to which I was lured (by email) following posts I made here with MS

back

in
February. I was highly suspicious then, and still feel that there

may be

those with malicious intent residing there (perhaps using the PC's of
other
newsgroup members as zombies too - just my theory!). I'm aware that

some

'members' there scan these MS newsgroups - perhaps looking for other
vulnerable 'clients' - I could determine no other reason.

I didn't know what a 'Troll' was this time last year. All I've been
trying
to do is identify just how the 'bad guys' wreak havoc on the 'Net, not
simply 'clean' my own machine.

FWIW (and I didn't know what that meant either, then! <g>)

David
______________________________________________________


"gls858" <gls858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23I3gzxEJHHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

It's not the fact that's it's a .bat file that makes it good or bad
it's the commands that it contains. A .bat is simply a series of
commands.
If you want to see the contents of a .bat file simply right click and
select edit. If you or your so called "script kiddie" don't understand
the
commands contained in the batch file I would suggest you find a real
computer programmer to explain to you what the file is intended to do.
Batch files are commonly used to perform redundant tasks on a

schedule.

gls858

There's a post from Kerry Brown there too!

<#K3I#IFJHHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

He lied!

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On 11 Apr 2020, David wrote
(in article <z3skG.210290$8h.108483@fx26.iad>):

On 11/04/2020 13:02, Wolffan wrote:

On 11 Apr 2020, David wrote
(in article <KdgkG.300961$kO2.131389@fx20.iad>):

On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:
[nonsense, deleted]
There's a post from Kerry Brown there too!

<#K3I#IFJHHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

He lied!

You have, again, dug up a necrothread, this time from 2006, and are, again, replying to yourself, as ‘BoterDave is one of your several dozen nyms. Once
again you have provided evidence to support the position that you are a lying, brain-damaged, alcohol-soaked, troll, as you are quoting _yourself_ as
if it were evidence to support yourself. It could be that you merely forgot who ‘BoaterDave’ was/is, but that in itself would be evidence supporting
the contention that you’re a brain-damaged alcoholic. The fact that you are, again, compelled to quote yourself in support of your inane, insane, idiocy should have told you that you are in a distinct minority on the subject. As you’re a brain-damaged fool, you failed to notice. As you’re
a brain-damaged fool you thought, erroneously, that no-one would check. Assuming that what happens using the single surviving neuron in your alcohol-soaked brain can be classified as ‘thought’, that is.

You appear to have snipped some detail, Woolfie!

you’re an idiot.

you, quoting yourself, deleted again. It’s still you replying to your own post from 2006 because you simply lack the ability to support your position.

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:06:06 +0100, David <David@address.invalid>
wrote:

On 11/04/2020 13:02, Wolffan wrote:

On 11 Apr 2020, David wrote
(in article <KdgkG.300961$kO2.131389@fx20.iad>):

On 20/12/2006 23:00, BoaterDave wrote:
[nonsense, deleted]

You have, again, dug up a necrothread, this time from 2006, and are, again, >> replying to yourself, as ‘BoterDave is one of your several dozen nyms. Once >> again you have provided evidence to support the position that you are a
lying, brain-damaged, alcohol-soaked, troll, as you are quoting _yourself_ as
if it were evidence to support yourself. It could be that you merely forgot >> who ‘BoaterDave’ was/is, but that in itself would be evidence supporting
the contention that you’re a brain-damaged alcoholic. The fact that you
are, again, compelled to quote yourself in support of your inane, insane,
idiocy should have told you that you are in a distinct minority on the
subject. As you’re a brain-damaged fool, you failed to notice. As you’re
a brain-damaged fool you thought, erroneously, that no-one would check.
Assuming that what happens using the single surviving neuron in your
alcohol-soaked brain can be classified as ‘thought’, that is.

You appear to have snipped some detail,

Only the unimportant and STALKING text.
The rest he left intact.
Try to keep acf a family safe group.
How's you fath, I mean mother?
Adhering to social distancing? Great!!!
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

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