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  • OT. Win ME DOS driver for modern DVD drive

    From bilsch@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 23:15:49 2019
    XPost: alt.comp.windows-10

    I only want to read files with the drive. This is on a newer Dell
    laptop. I am booting up a FAT12 image of a Win ME DOS system. It is
    IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM with various DOS commands on it. I have MSCDEX.EXE from Win ME.

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    I need a driver for use with MSCDEX.EXE. Does any body know what might
    work? TIA. Bill S.
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  • From JJ@21:1/5 to bilsch on Fri Apr 26 20:55:04 2019
    On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:15:49 -0700, bilsch wrote:
    I only want to read files with the drive. This is on a newer Dell
    laptop. I am booting up a FAT12 image of a Win ME DOS system. It is
    IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM with various DOS commands on it. I have MSCDEX.EXE from Win ME.

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    I need a driver for use with MSCDEX.EXE. Does any body know what might
    work? TIA. Bill S.

    For DOS, you'll have to enable legacy drive mode in the system
    BIOS/firmware. Then use OAKCDROM.SYS which comes from WinME. The file can be copied from below path if the FAT12 image doesn't have it yet.

    C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bilsch on Tue Apr 30 01:10:28 2019
    bilsch wrote:
    On 4/26/2019 6:55 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:15:49 -0700, bilsch wrote:
    I only want to read files with the drive. This is on a newer Dell
    laptop. I am booting up a FAT12 image of a Win ME DOS system. It is
    IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM with various DOS commands on it. I have
    MSCDEX.EXE from Win ME.

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    I need a driver for use with MSCDEX.EXE. Does any body know what might
    work? TIA. Bill S.

    For DOS, you'll have to enable legacy drive mode in the system
    BIOS/firmware. Then use OAKCDROM.SYS which comes from WinME. The file
    can be
    copied from below path if the FAT12 image doesn't have it yet.

    C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    My files look like this. No CDROM driver works.

    Config.sys

    DeviceHigh=oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=d011v200.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=aspicd.sys /D:mscd001

    dos=high,umb
    files=10
    buffers=10
    stacks=9,256
    lastdrive=z


    autoexec.bat

    @ECHO ON
    path=a:\
    LoadHigh DOSKEY.COM
    LoadHigh MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /S /K /L:X /M:12
    mouse.com

    A modern laptop probably defaults to AHCI
    on the SATA ports.

    Older OSes need "Compatible IDE" emulation mode,
    to fool the OS into thinking the older ports are
    present and that the optical drive is a ribbon cable
    IDE drive.

    How this works, is the registers for the ports, "appear"
    in "I/O space", rather than at a PCI bar (base address register).
    The Compatible mode uses INT14 and INT15. The older OSes
    know exactly where to look for things like that.

    It's up to the hardware (Southbridge or PCH) to have
    those modes, if there is an intention to run older OSes.

    I've done what you're trying to do, but on older equipment.
    The ICH5R on my P4C800-E Deluxe had both SATA and IDE cabling,
    and it did have the necessary option for Compatible IDE,
    where the control and data register were in the I/O space,
    and accessible by I/O instructions.

    This is an example in a Virtual Machine, showing
    the mode an older OS might use.

    https://i.postimg.cc/RC1mzYKj/compatible-ide.gif

    It's not a trivial matter to get all these details right,
    and the more modern the equipment, the harder it is to do.

    Paul
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  • From bilsch@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 29 21:22:00 2019
    On 4/26/2019 6:55 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:15:49 -0700, bilsch wrote:
    I only want to read files with the drive. This is on a newer Dell
    laptop. I am booting up a FAT12 image of a Win ME DOS system. It is
    IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM with various DOS commands on it. I have
    MSCDEX.EXE from Win ME.

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    I need a driver for use with MSCDEX.EXE. Does any body know what might
    work? TIA. Bill S.

    For DOS, you'll have to enable legacy drive mode in the system
    BIOS/firmware. Then use OAKCDROM.SYS which comes from WinME. The file can be copied from below path if the FAT12 image doesn't have it yet.

    C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    My files look like this. No CDROM driver works.

    Config.sys

    DeviceHigh=oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=d011v200.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=aspicd.sys /D:mscd001

    dos=high,umb
    files=10
    buffers=10
    stacks=9,256
    lastdrive=z


    autoexec.bat

    @ECHO ON
    path=a:\
    LoadHigh DOSKEY.COM
    LoadHigh MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /S /K /L:X /M:12
    mouse.com
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  • From bilsch@21:1/5 to Paul on Tue Apr 30 00:27:52 2019
    On 4/29/2019 10:10 PM, Paul wrote:
    bilsch wrote:
    On 4/26/2019 6:55 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:15:49 -0700, bilsch wrote:
    I only want to read files with the drive.  This is on a newer Dell
    laptop. I am booting up a FAT12 image of a Win ME DOS system.  It is
    IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM with various DOS commands on it.  I have >>>> MSCDEX.EXE from Win ME.

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    I need a driver for use with MSCDEX.EXE.  Does any body know what might >>>> work?   TIA.   Bill S.

    For DOS, you'll have to enable legacy drive mode in the system
    BIOS/firmware. Then use OAKCDROM.SYS which comes from WinME. The file
    can be
    copied from below path if the FAT12 image doesn't have it yet.

       C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    My files look like this.  No CDROM driver works.

    Config.sys

    DeviceHigh=oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=d011v200.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
    rem device=aspicd.sys /D:mscd001

    dos=high,umb
    files=10
    buffers=10
    stacks=9,256
    lastdrive=z


    autoexec.bat

    @ECHO ON
    path=a:\
    LoadHigh DOSKEY.COM
    LoadHigh MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001  /S /K /L:X /M:12
    mouse.com

    A modern laptop probably defaults to AHCI
    on the SATA ports.

    Older OSes need "Compatible IDE" emulation mode,
    to fool the OS into thinking the older ports are
    present and that the optical drive is a ribbon cable
    IDE drive.

    How this works, is the registers for the ports, "appear"
    in "I/O space", rather than at a PCI bar (base address register).
    The Compatible mode uses INT14 and INT15. The older OSes
    know exactly where to look for things like that.

    It's up to the hardware (Southbridge or PCH) to have
    those modes, if there is an intention to run older OSes.

    I've done what you're trying to do, but on older equipment.
    The ICH5R on my P4C800-E Deluxe had both SATA and IDE cabling,
    and it did have the necessary option for Compatible IDE,
    where the control and data register were in the I/O space,
    and accessible by I/O instructions.

    This is an example in a Virtual Machine, showing
    the mode an older OS might use.

    https://i.postimg.cc/RC1mzYKj/compatible-ide.gif

    It's not a trivial matter to get all these details right,
    and the more modern the equipment, the harder it is to do.

       Paul

    Thanks for the info Paul. I think it probably cant be done. You saved
    me from wasting (more) time.
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  • From JJ@21:1/5 to bilsch on Tue Apr 30 17:51:04 2019
    On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:22:00 -0700, bilsch wrote:

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    I haven't seen any, but there a possibility that the legacy/compatibility
    drive mode is not supported by some computers (for the sake of reducing cost
    to make them).

    What's the model number and/or name of you Dell laptop?
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  • From bilsch@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 1 20:52:46 2019
    On 4/30/2019 3:51 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:22:00 -0700, bilsch wrote:

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    I haven't seen any, but there a possibility that the legacy/compatibility drive mode is not supported by some computers (for the sake of reducing cost to make them).

    What's the model number and/or name of you Dell laptop?

    Dell Inspiron 15 3565

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bilsch on Thu May 2 03:44:00 2019
    bilsch wrote:
    On 4/30/2019 3:51 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:22:00 -0700, bilsch wrote:

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    I haven't seen any, but there a possibility that the legacy/compatibility
    drive mode is not supported by some computers (for the sake of
    reducing cost
    to make them).

    What's the model number and/or name of you Dell laptop?

    Dell Inspiron 15 3565

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-General-Read-Only/Dell-Inspiron-15-3565-Wireless-Adaptor-Missing/td-p/5149207

    https://vjauj58549.i.lithium.com/community/s/legacyfs/online/en/communityserver.discussions.components.files/3518/4403.1ed9fe27-a5b6-4f99-b842-330416e162ec.jpeg

    Press F2 early after startup, as it may allow entry into
    the BIOS screen.

    The BIOS type is "APTIO" brand.

    There is an entry there "SATA Operation" in the picture.
    It is shown in the picture as AHCI. Check there to see
    what other options are available.

    RAID (not likely, module code removed)
    AHCI
    Compatible IDE ?

    My experience with DVD drives, is that older OSes (and their
    drivers) may not know what a DVD drive is. And this can account
    for booting problems, or problems accessing the device.

    To get Linux on my 440BX chipset machine, I had to load it
    on a hard drive first, then connect the hard drive to the
    computer. Using this method, I was able to bypass the
    inability to read/boot from DVD drive. A CD drive works fine,
    but not a lot of medias now come on CD sized discs.

    Make note of what you change in the BIOS, because you're
    going to need to fix that, before booting your
    other OSes.

    Based on that picture, your BIOS appears to be "full featured",
    as the BIOS screen has a total of five tabs.

    Paul
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  • From bilsch@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri May 3 20:15:27 2019
    On 5/2/2019 12:44 AM, Paul wrote:
    bilsch wrote:
    On 4/30/2019 3:51 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:22:00 -0700, bilsch wrote:

    I don't seem to have such a setting in BIOS.

    I haven't seen any, but there a possibility that the
    legacy/compatibility
    drive mode is not supported by some computers (for the sake of
    reducing cost
    to make them).

    What's the model number and/or name of you Dell laptop?

    Dell Inspiron 15 3565

    The DVD drive is:
    HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N.

    https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-General-Read-Only/Dell-Inspiron-15-3565-Wireless-Adaptor-Missing/td-p/5149207



    https://vjauj58549.i.lithium.com/community/s/legacyfs/online/en/communityserver.discussions.components.files/3518/4403.1ed9fe27-a5b6-4f99-b842-330416e162ec.jpeg


    Press F2 early after startup, as it may allow entry into
    the BIOS screen.

    The BIOS type is "APTIO" brand.

    There is an entry there "SATA Operation" in the picture.
    It is shown in the picture as AHCI. Check there to see
    what other options are available.

       RAID (not likely, module code removed)
       AHCI
       Compatible IDE ?

    My experience with DVD drives, is that older OSes (and their
    drivers) may not know what a DVD drive is. And this can account
    for booting problems, or problems accessing the device.

    To get Linux on my 440BX chipset machine, I had to load it
    on a hard drive first, then connect the hard drive to the
    computer. Using this method, I was able to bypass the
    inability to read/boot from DVD drive. A CD drive works fine,
    but not a lot of medias now come on CD sized discs.

    Make note of what you change in the BIOS, because you're
    going to need to fix that, before booting your
    other OSes.

    Based on that picture, your BIOS appears to be "full featured",
    as the BIOS screen has a total of five tabs.

       Paul

    My BIOS has category 'SATA Operation'.
    In that category there is only one choice - AHCI. That's what is.
    Nothing else. So I can try it on a different computer and see what is
    there. Thanks. Bill S.
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