Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted.
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work.
Jerome Tews wrote:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted.
What a bunch of bone-headed responses to this question. I'm surprised
this group has dumbed down so much.
KernelEx has always been a special project centered in the win-98
section of msfn.org.
https://msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-9xme/
I see that as of right now (9 pm EST) that MSFN is down. But when it's
up, have a look in the "member projects" sub-forum in the above forum.
As for win-98 not being a usable OS on the web today, I continue to use
it with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as my primary browser (with scripting turned
off and with considerable use of select blocking add-ons as well as
hosts file entries).
When I have to, I will use Opera 12.02 (usable on win-98 with KernelEx).
The KernelEx version I'm using dates to 2/24/2017 (4.05.2016.17) but I
think newer versions are available. Also many kstubs options too.
My primary win-98 pc is based on Pentium 4, 2.8 ghz, with several SATA
hard drives (500 gb, 750 gb and 1.5 tb). Win-98 has no problems using
such large SATA hard drives by the way. My system also has 2 gb of ram,
and win-98 can see and use all of it (because of a certain well-known
hack).
I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating systems.
As for win-98 not being a usable OS on the web today, I continue to use
it with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as my primary browser (with scripting turned
off and with considerable use of select blocking add-ons as well as
hosts file entries).
Jerome,
I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating systems.
Have you ever thought of using XP(sp3) ?
And for that matter, what about W7 ? As long as you disable its update >mechanism (used to poisson it with telemetry and forced updates to W10) I've >been told it is quite nice OS to work with.
And pardon me, but the way you are putting it ("the *latest* crap operating >systems") makes me wonder if you are maybe considering Win98 to be crap too >... <whistle> :-)
In that case, why don't you, for being able to browse the web, take a look
at the different flavo(u)rs of Linux ?. Most of them run browsers pretty >well. Ubuntu for one is rather easy to install. Even has a "live cd" >option (no installing needed), which wil also run off of an USB stick (with >an option to remember settings and stuff).
And by the way: I've been using 98se until late last year, when the >motherboard died. If it would not have I would most likely still be using
it today*. With possibly a Raspberry Pi next to it to be able to keep >browsing the web (cat pictures needing SSL encryption ? You *got* to be >joking me ... - Nope, they're not. :-( ).
*currently using XPsp3. Lets see if it will service me for the next 20 >years. :-)
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
(I know I'm not the person you were addressing but) I'm too old to learn
yet another way of doing things.
although I don't do a _lot_ of things where that actually matters _much_ -
it _is_ nicer not to have to wait quite so much.
I suspect it's not the (original - they've signed away their rights, in
all probability) owners of the cat pictures that are imposing the SSL encryption, but the sites they're using to share them,
I hate such sites - not so much for the data mining (they've got to cover their costs somehow),
Jerome Tews <jertews7@nomail.com> wrote:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.
I've never run Kernel-Ex, but I think it's no surprise that it
would have been abandoned by now.
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.
It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable scripts or use
a light weight browser and just put up with some websites not working >properly, it may still be usable most of the time.
"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with win98
support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm
I run Dillo in Linux, which is a similar thing but Windows
versions won't work with native win98 (might be worth trying it
with KernelEx). Generally the only time I need to switch to a
mainstream browser is when a website requires a log-in (and
various scripts running in the background to handle it), but
even then a few well designed websites still work.
And pardon me, but the way you are putting it ("the *latest* crap operating >systems") makes me wonder if you are maybe considering Win98 to be crap too >... <whistle> :-)
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Jerome Tews <jertews7@nomail.com> wrote:Have you actually tried to use Offbyone lately?
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.
It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable scripts or use
a light weight browser and just put up with some websites not working >>properly, it may still be usable most of the time.
"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with win98
support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm
I used to use that quite a lot. It does NOT load any httpS sites. At
least 90% of all sites are now httpS. And every day more sittes are
going with httpS.
I run Dillo in Linux, which is a similar thing but Windows
versions won't work with native win98 (might be worth trying it
with KernelEx). Generally the only time I need to switch to a
mainstream browser is when a website requires a log-in (and
various scripts running in the background to handle it), but
even then a few well designed websites still work.
I use Firefox 3.x under Kernel-EX. Anything above that causes too many problems. Using Firefox 2.x or similar (K-meleon or Seamonkey) produce
script errors every few seconds, repeatedly. In fact I have a weight
that I sit on the enter key because I get tired of hitting that key 20,
50 or 100 times for every webpage. Or there are security errors. Trying
to load a webpage these days is like going to war. I am no longer
willing to cope with it.
None of this security crap was ever needed with the old (simple)
websites. Now they add so much crap to sites that they apparently need
all of that. I am no longer willing to deal with it.
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:30:16 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
wrote:
And pardon me, but the way you are putting it ("the *latest* crap operating >> systems") makes me wonder if you are maybe considering Win98 to be crap too >> ... <whistle> :-)
Wrong. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have ever loved. XP is ok, but I still
prefer Win98. Anything prior to Win98 was lacking, but it was all new,
so that can be expected. After XP came that miserable Vista. I have
heard Win7 is good, I'd like to try it, but I am not gonna spend $100 or
more for an obsolete OS. The real crap bagan with Win8.x and on to 10. I would not recommend that garbage to my worst enemy.
And no, I do not do Linux. I have had my months of frustration with that lousy excuse for an OS. I am not willing to spend (waste) hundreds of
hours trying to configure it, only to find out its still not gonna run properly and still lacks any decent software. I already did all of that,
and I was glad to finally remove any and all traces of Linux from my
home. Only once did I get a successful working install, which I sort of liked, despite the fact it still lacked compatible software with
Windows. That was around 2010. A year later that flavor of linux was abandoned.
I just want something that works and I dont have to piss with once it's installed. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have had that luck with. XP I have
found needs to be reinstalled every 2 or 3 years or it gets real slow.
That sucks!
I have never had to reinstall 98. I have moved it several times to
bigger hard drives and even to a different motherboard. Just add a few drivers and carry on. And I do still use some DOS too. I always liked
DOS.
Win98 is the ONLY OS I have ever loved. XP is ok, but I still
prefer Win98.
And no, I do not do Linux.
I just want something that works and I dont have to piss with
once it's installed.
XP I have found needs to be reinstalled every 2 or 3 years
or it gets real slow. That sucks!
I have never had to reinstall 98. I have moved it several times
to bigger hard drives and even to a different motherboard.
And I do still use some DOS too. I always liked DOS.
Jerome Tews wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:30:16 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
wrote:
And pardon me, but the way you are putting it ("the *latest* crap operating >>> systems") makes me wonder if you are maybe considering Win98 to be crap too >>> ... <whistle> :-)
Wrong. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have ever loved. XP is ok, but I still
prefer Win98. Anything prior to Win98 was lacking, but it was all new,
so that can be expected. After XP came that miserable Vista. I have
heard Win7 is good, I'd like to try it, but I am not gonna spend $100 or
more for an obsolete OS. The real crap bagan with Win8.x and on to 10. I
would not recommend that garbage to my worst enemy.
And no, I do not do Linux. I have had my months of frustration with that
lousy excuse for an OS. I am not willing to spend (waste) hundreds of
hours trying to configure it, only to find out its still not gonna run
properly and still lacks any decent software. I already did all of that,
and I was glad to finally remove any and all traces of Linux from my
home. Only once did I get a successful working install, which I sort of
liked, despite the fact it still lacked compatible software with
Windows. That was around 2010. A year later that flavor of linux was
abandoned.
I just want something that works and I dont have to piss with once it's
installed. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have had that luck with. XP I have
found needs to be reinstalled every 2 or 3 years or it gets real slow.
That sucks!
I have never had to reinstall 98. I have moved it several times to
bigger hard drives and even to a different motherboard. Just add a few
drivers and carry on. And I do still use some DOS too. I always liked
DOS.
You need to work on getting Wifi at your place,
so you can use that smartphone browser in comfort.
Paul
Jerome,
Win98 is the ONLY OS I have ever loved. XP is ok, but I still
prefer Win98.
Oh. ok.
So, you are considering using XP instead of throwing the baby away with the >bathwater (disconnecting from the web altogether - even if it is usefull to >you) ?
And no, I do not do Linux.
I did not try to suggest that. I suggested you could be running a >"stand-alone" webbrowser which, instead of being installed ontop of Windows, >would be installed ontop of Linux.
You know, like running a backup program from a dedicated, bootable CD. You >could/would not care less what it uses as its OS (Linux most likely :-) ),
as long as it does its job. Consider my suggestion to be of the same
level.
I mentioned a Raspberry Pi for a reason: With its "noobs" install (copy the >install file onto a microSD, plug it in a Pi, power it up, wait 15 minutes >(only the first time mind you) and you're good to go) it allows you to get
on the web with a minimum ammount of fuss. And its cheap enough to keep >*next* to your Win98 machine (a KVM switch would come in handy though).
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 03:55:41 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Jerome Tews wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:30:16 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>You need to work on getting Wifi at your place,
wrote:
And pardon me, but the way you are putting it ("the *latest* crap operatingWrong. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have ever loved. XP is ok, but I still
systems") makes me wonder if you are maybe considering Win98 to be crap too
... <whistle> :-)
prefer Win98. Anything prior to Win98 was lacking, but it was all new,
so that can be expected. After XP came that miserable Vista. I have
heard Win7 is good, I'd like to try it, but I am not gonna spend $100 or >>> more for an obsolete OS. The real crap bagan with Win8.x and on to 10. I >>> would not recommend that garbage to my worst enemy.
And no, I do not do Linux. I have had my months of frustration with that >>> lousy excuse for an OS. I am not willing to spend (waste) hundreds of
hours trying to configure it, only to find out its still not gonna run
properly and still lacks any decent software. I already did all of that, >>> and I was glad to finally remove any and all traces of Linux from my
home. Only once did I get a successful working install, which I sort of
liked, despite the fact it still lacked compatible software with
Windows. That was around 2010. A year later that flavor of linux was
abandoned.
I just want something that works and I dont have to piss with once it's
installed. Win98 is the ONLY OS I have had that luck with. XP I have
found needs to be reinstalled every 2 or 3 years or it gets real slow.
That sucks!
I have never had to reinstall 98. I have moved it several times to
bigger hard drives and even to a different motherboard. Just add a few
drivers and carry on. And I do still use some DOS too. I always liked
DOS.
so you can use that smartphone browser in comfort.
Paul
I would if I could, but living in a rural area has no means to get WIFI.
At least not affordably. I have two options. My dialup modem, which just
dont cut it anymore with the bloated websites these days. -OR- Pay
around $130 per month for satellite, which includes the TV and the
Internet. First off, I dont want the TV. I watch the daily news to get
the weather reports. I can do that on my antenna. I dont watch any other
tv. Second, I am retired and on a small fixed income. $130 per month is
NOT doable. I recall the government speaking of getting the internet to
rural people. Apparently that was just the usual govt. promises that
never happen.
Having poor or no internet is the price we pay to live in the country,
but I would not live in a city for any reason.The farmers around here
dont even know what the internet is, for the most part. I just talked to
my neighbor yesterday about this. He was having problems with some sort
of seed distribution valve on his tractor, and told me he would have to contact the manufacturer to find out how to fix it. I told him to go on
the internet and google the make and model of his tractor. He looked at
me like I was an alien from another planet and said "I dont know how to
do any of the stuff". I think that explains why we dont have and will
never get high speed internet around here. There are probably 5 people
who want it, and I am one of them five. I'll take a wild guess that 4
more exist within a 20 mile radius.
The price comes down when there is competition.
We even have that problem in this country, where some
areas of the country have real competition, and people
get offers of "double their monthly cap at no extra cost"
on cellphone data. In other areas, there are no deals
like that.
Keep your eyes open for alternative sources of Internet.
WISP is one way to do it. Even if over-subscribed,
WISP will deliver more tha dialup rates. And can probably
manage to be a few bucks less than your $130 deal, if
there are enough users.
It needs spectrum though, and with the buying up of all
the 900MHz, there might not be any good frequencies for WISP.
When Musk gets his satellites up there, your price will
drop. But that'll get done, roughly around the same point
in time they perfect self-driving cars. It'll take a long
time to launch 5000 satellites, even if they're small ones.
One reason those satellites are going to be a good deal,
is they aren't geosynchronous, and the latency is closer
to terrestrial values, than to geosynchronous values.
Paul
What's 5 miles of wire..... Then again, I can get dialup.
Why cant they at least have DSL. But I can answer that myself.
It's because they are only interested in profit, not in services.
A dialup modem does not work on XP
Please explain this in more detail. I know a Raspberry Pi is
some sort of smartphone
but you lost me after that. I'd still need a WIFI signal, which
I dont have
Please explain this in more detail. I know a Raspberry Pi is some sort
of smartphone. (I think), but you lost me after that. I'd still need a
WIFI signal, which I dont have.
Jerome Tews wrote:
Please explain this in more detail. I know a Raspberry Pi is some sort
of smartphone. (I think), but you lost me after that. I'd still need a
WIFI signal, which I dont have.
I would solve the networking project first, and
then there will be plenty of time to entertain
new computers.
In Google, try
<name_of_your_town> WISP
and see if there are any WISP providers near you.
Paul
Jerome,
A dialup modem does not work on XP
It doesn't ? Strange, as googeling for "XP dial-up modem" shows quite a >number of websites explaining how to do it ... I would suggest you take >another look at it.
Please explain this in more detail. I know a Raspberry Pi is
some sort of smartphone
:-) Not quite. Its actually a single-board computer, more-or-less aimed
at electroncs hobbyists (amazon price: $35):
https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/
At the far right there you can see the ethernet socket, with just above it 4 >USB2 sockets. The pins at the top are ment to connect ... whatever >electronics experiments you want to it (the individual pins are programmable >to be in or outputs). The connector top-ish-left is the microSD card
holder. The connector bottom-center is the HDMI video output, and the >black-and-white round connector right of it an extra audio output. The >connector at the bottom-left is the micro-usb power connector.
It also has wifi and bluetooth on board. The two black-and-white
vertically placed (on the image at the left left and between the HDMI and >audio connector) connectors allow you connect a touchscreen to it (to make
it a stand-alone computer), and a camera. Both supported by the OS!
Yep, quite the powerhouse for such a small board. :-)
but you lost me after that. I'd still need a WIFI signal, which
I dont have
Nope, you don't. You can directly plug an ethernet cable into it.
And before you think "but I only have a dial-up modem!", AFAIK you can get >W98 to be used as an internet gateway for another computer. In other
words, you could be dialing-up with W98se, and by connecting the Raspberry
Pi to it (using ethernet) it could go online too.
But to be honest, if you are in any way considering to use XP that would, I >think, be a far better (easier?) solution ...
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
P.s.
KVM = Keyboard, Video & Mouse switch. Handy if you have multiple
computers, but only place for a single monitor, mouse and keyboard on your >table. And currently KVMs all seem to be able to switch by pressing a few >keys on the keyboard itself (no need to touch the KVMs buttons)..
It gets complicated. I tried hundreds of fixes over many years.
It's out of my hands, or out of my house. Its a bad ISP. XP
does connect, but I get 5 min of use before it quits. Called
"spiral of death".
It's just not usable anymore, and thus beginning July 1, I am
disconnecting.
Thanks for the explanation of the Raspberry. Sounds like a decent setup,
but still dont solve my lack of USABLE home internet.
Jerome Tews wrote:
It claims I can get internet from a cell provider. WRONG. I cant even
get a cellphone signal here. I have to drive (or walk) one half mile, to
the top of the hill to make a call.
Jerome,
What's 5 miles of wire..... Then again, I can get dialup.
Why cant they at least have DSL. But I can answer that myself.
It's because they are only interested in profit, not in services.
Not quite. Any length of cable will function as both a coil as well as a capacitor, an effect which gets more pronounced the higher the frequency is (in audio terms, a low-pass filter). As DSL uses higher frequencies (to be able to deliver speed, but also to stay out of the audio spectrum - so that DSL and your phone could be used at the same time) there would be no usable signal left after those five miles.
(compare it with trying to pull a too much juice (amperes) over small wires. The voltage would drop considerably, upto a point you could not even get a lighbulb to glow ...)
Yep, even in my country our phone companies cannot (could not?) deliver DSL to some houses in our *cities*, simply because they where to far away from the DSL node points.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Jerome Tews <jertews7@nomail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC),
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Jerome Tews <jertews7@nomail.com> wrote:Have you actually tried to use Offbyone lately?
From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become
completely unusable for the internet. There are no
longer any browsers that work. Because of this, I plan
to cancel my internet service at the end of this month.
I will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI
spots from now on, because I refuse to use any of
Microsoft's latest crap operating systems.
It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable
scripts or use a light weight browser and just put up with
some websites not working properly, it may still be usable
most of the time.
"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with
win98 support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm
I used to use that quite a lot. It does NOT load any httpS
sites. At least 90% of all sites are now httpS. And every
day more sittes are going with httpS.
Ah sorry, no I don't use it much.
It does say on the Overview page:
"Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) support provided by optional
OpenSSL
libraries for secure navigation to https:// addresses."
Thanks for the explanation of the Raspberry. Sounds like a decent setup,
but still dont solve my lack of USABLE home internet.
It's just not usable anymore, and thus beginning July 1, I am[]
disconnecting. In all honesty, I can drive to town and use WIFI at the
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