• Where are the desktop icon settings stored in 98se?

    From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 9 14:17:41 2018
    Re: Windows 98se

    I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
    jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
    a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
    figured how they get messed up and probably never will....

    What file and where is the setting for the icons? What I want to do is
    just backup that file so I can replace it when the desktop gets messed
    up. There is supposedly some setting to lock the desktop, but I have
    never found it, and if it does exist, I'd still like to backup whatever
    file has the icon settings, just in case!
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  • From Lee@21:1/5 to anon...@internet.none on Tue Apr 10 04:42:25 2018
    On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6, anon...@internet.none wrote:
    Re: Windows 98se

    I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
    a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
    figured how they get messed up and probably never will....

    What file and where is the setting for the icons? What I want to do is
    just backup that file so I can replace it when the desktop gets messed
    up. There is supposedly some setting to lock the desktop, but I have
    never found it, and if it does exist, I'd still like to backup whatever
    file has the icon settings, just in case!

    That data is stored in the registry as encoded information, you can try to save System.dat and user.dat which are the registry files and attempt to reapply them in DOS mode, but changes done since the last save for the rest of the machine means you might
    have some programs installed anymore.

    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too.
    http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 10 14:48:27 2018
    Hello <anonymous>,

    What file and where is the setting for the icons?

    Although its not directly talking about Win98, I don't think it could hurt
    to take a peek here:

    https://superuser.com/questions/625854/where-does-windows-store-icon-positions#630734

    , in particular the registry path:

    They are located in the registry under HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\1\Desktop.

    The key that should interest you is the ItemPosXXXxXXX
    (where XXX is your resolution).

    (HKCU = HKEY_CURRENT_USER)

    If its there you could save the whole "desktop" subtree, but also just one-or-more of those "ItemPosXXXxXXX" keys.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to melee5@my-deja.com on Tue Apr 10 18:50:48 2018
    In message <701d70f8-5085-431a-80ef-419be0ef4039@googlegroups.com>, Lee <melee5@my-deja.com> writes:
    On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6, anon...@internet.none wrote:
    Re: Windows 98se

    I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
    jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
    a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
    figured how they get messed up and probably never will....

    I don't think any of us have, definitively.
    []
    That data is stored in the registry as encoded information, you can try
    to save System.dat and user.dat which are the registry files and
    attempt to reapply them in DOS mode, but changes done since the last
    save for the rest of the machine means you might have some programs
    installed anymore.

    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you
    can't see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but
    works well for 98 too.
    http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162

    The utility I used - I think all the way back to '9x - was EZDesk, by
    Melissa Nguyen - abandonware (so you can't pay for it), but still works,
    and still downloadable from various places (watch you don't get PUPs
    with it: the /zip should be about 84KB) - certainly in XP, and I think
    in '98 (it's certainly old enough).

    More recent ones include iconoid and DesktopOK, but I'm not sure those
    work in '9x.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 10 20:50:42 2018
    On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Lee <melee5@my-deja.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6, anon...@internet.none wrote:
    Re: Windows 98se

    I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
    jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
    a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
    figured how they get messed up and probably never will....

    What file and where is the setting for the icons? What I want to do is
    just backup that file so I can replace it when the desktop gets messed
    up. There is supposedly some setting to lock the desktop, but I have
    never found it, and if it does exist, I'd still like to backup whatever
    file has the icon settings, just in case!

    That data is stored in the registry as encoded information, you can try to save
    System.dat and user.dat which are the registry files and attempt to reapply them
    in DOS mode, but changes done since the last save for the rest of the machine means you might have some programs installed anymore.

    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't see it
    here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too. >http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162

    Ok, if it's in the registry, I can use reg - restore. Since this icon
    messup just happens instanntly, I can restore the reg. a lot faster than
    I can rearrange all the icons. That way there is little chance of
    anything getting messed up unless I just installed some program that
    day. I turn the computer off every night, so any changes would just be a
    one day event.

    Yes, i have copied the reg files too, and restored them from DOS. That
    also works.

    I am reading that weblink right now (above). It looks like that is more
    for XP and Win7, but I have not yet read all of it..

    Thanks
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 10 22:24:14 2018
    On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Lee <melee5@my-deja.com>
    wrote:


    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't
    see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too.
    http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162

    This link is poor. Using my Win98 with firefox 3.x on dialup, It took a
    half hour to load, gave me a security error and when I finally got to
    the page, there was no download link to click on. (It's a cnet page).

    http://www.midiox.com/

    But they did list the above webpage, which is the author's site. I
    clicked on it, it loaded in seconds and clicking on "Desktop Restore"
    took me right to the downloads. There are 6 versions of it. The bottom
    one is for Win98. The others are for XP up to Win10. Some are 64 bit.
    Dont waste your time with cnet, and the extreme amount of ads they bloat
    you with. Go directly to the site I posted.

    --
    Now that I got the file, I'll try it. But have not done so yet.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to anonymous@internet.none on Wed Apr 11 05:37:13 2018
    In message <6gvqcd1s76ickhbpeh95mpqld2phnplaoj@4ax.com>, anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Lee <melee5@my-deja.com>
    wrote:


    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't >> see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works
    well for 98 too.
    http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162

    This link is poor. Using my Win98 with firefox 3.x on dialup, It took a
    half hour to load, gave me a security error and when I finally got to
    the page, there was no download link to click on. (It's a cnet page).

    http://www.midiox.com/

    But they did list the above webpage, which is the author's site. I
    clicked on it, it loaded in seconds and clicking on "Desktop Restore"
    took me right to the downloads. There are 6 versions of it. The bottom
    one is for Win98. The others are for XP up to Win10. Some are 64 bit.
    Dont waste your time with cnet, and the extreme amount of ads they bloat
    you with. Go directly to the site I posted.

    --
    Now that I got the file, I'll try it. But have not done so yet.

    The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk
    called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezdesk.html (don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I
    actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
    far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
    does work on 98 - even 95.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one.
    (George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".)
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to G6JPG-255@255soft.uk on Wed Apr 11 05:05:31 2018
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 05:37:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    In message <6gvqcd1s76ickhbpeh95mpqld2phnplaoj@4ax.com>, >anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Lee <melee5@my-deja.com>
    wrote:


    A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't >>> see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works >>>well for 98 too.
    http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162

    This link is poor. Using my Win98 with firefox 3.x on dialup, It took a >>half hour to load, gave me a security error and when I finally got to
    the page, there was no download link to click on. (It's a cnet page).

    http://www.midiox.com/

    But they did list the above webpage, which is the author's site. I
    clicked on it, it loaded in seconds and clicking on "Desktop Restore"
    took me right to the downloads. There are 6 versions of it. The bottom
    one is for Win98. The others are for XP up to Win10. Some are 64 bit.
    Dont waste your time with cnet, and the extreme amount of ads they bloat >>you with. Go directly to the site I posted.

    --
    Now that I got the file, I'll try it. But have not done so yet.

    The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk >called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at >http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezdesk.html
    (don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I >actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
    far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
    does work on 98 - even 95.

    Unfortunately the download is gone too. The page is there at the link
    you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page,
    then there is an error saying the download is not there.

    Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on
    the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or
    something. It's a very small file. 83kb.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to anonymous@internet.none on Wed Apr 11 13:41:59 2018
    [icon position saving/restoring]

    In message <q4nrcdhsfe2rhb68dr1ob1oea17o74klej@4ax.com>, anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 05:37:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk >>called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at >>http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezd >>esk.html
    (don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I >>actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
    far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it >>does work on 98 - even 95.

    Unfortunately the download is gone too. The page is there at the link
    you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page,
    then there is an error saying the download is not there.

    Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on
    the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or >something. It's a very small file. 83kb.


    http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
    has version 1.7 (78.5 KB) http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
    has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
    now)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to G6JPG-255@255soft.uk on Thu Apr 12 02:59:00 2018
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    [icon position saving/restoring]

    In message <q4nrcdhsfe2rhb68dr1ob1oea17o74klej@4ax.com>, >anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 05:37:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk >>>called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at >>>http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezd >>>esk.html
    (don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I >>>actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it >>>far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it >>>does work on 98 - even 95.

    Unfortunately the download is gone too. The page is there at the link
    you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page, >>then there is an error saying the download is not there.

    Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on >>the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or >>something. It's a very small file. 83kb.


    http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS %2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
    has version 1.7 (78.5 KB) >http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
    has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so >obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
    now)

    Thanks

    The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
    said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
    the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
    HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
    their useless site to load).

    Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
    I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
    clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
    have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
    Win98se with Kernel-EX..
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to anonymous@internet.none on Thu Apr 12 10:43:46 2018
    In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvbrqg5p3eqq5dais6rf@4ax.com>, anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS >%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
    has version 1.7 (78.5 KB) >>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
    has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so >>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just >>now)

    Thanks

    The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
    said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
    the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
    HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
    their useless site to load).

    I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are
    generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
    the first one I found that actually had the file.

    Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
    I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
    clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
    have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
    Win98se with Kernel-EX..


    It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
    the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
    for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
    either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_ disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
    still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
    actually stores the settings in a file is https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
    that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
    But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
    actually cause a problem.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    ...Every morning is the dawn of a new error...
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to G6JPG-255@255soft.uk on Fri Apr 13 06:13:04 2018
    On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:43:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvbrqg5p3eqq5dais6rf@4ax.com>, >anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS >>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
    has version 1.7 (78.5 KB) >>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
    has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so >>>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just >>>now)

    Thanks

    The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
    said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
    the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my >>HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for >>their useless site to load).

    I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are >generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
    the first one I found that actually had the file.

    I agree about the sutes with the word "driver" being useless. I've run
    across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
    captcha is needed to download a file.


    Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
    I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
    clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should >>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
    Win98se with Kernel-EX..


    It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
    the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
    for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
    either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_ >disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
    still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
    actually stores the settings in a file is >https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
    that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
    But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
    actually cause a problem.

    I didnt thing Kernel-Ex was needed.
    So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
    Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
    in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
    original download). So where did it go?

    I should mention that this file should be required before installing
    Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
    of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
    even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
    anyhow.

    I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
    buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
    even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
    computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
    a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
    machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.

    I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
    in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
    that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....
    And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to anonymous@internet.none on Fri Apr 13 13:40:36 2018
    In message <6n21dd9s2gdbm2d7g0a83s9nm5crsvm46d@4ax.com>, anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:43:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvbrqg5p3eqq5dais6rf@4ax.com>, >>anonymous@internet.none writes:
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >>><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS >>>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
    has version 1.7 (78.5 KB) >>>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
    has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
    []
    []
    I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are >>generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
    the first one I found that actually had the file.

    I agree about the sutes with the word "driver" being useless. I've run
    across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
    captcha is needed to download a file.

    It's not their uselessness as a site, it's that - if you _are_ looking
    for a driver - they come up a lot in the search results, but hardly ever
    have the driver you're looking for - but pretend they do, and instead
    what you download is some sort of universal driver searcher/maintainer
    utility, usually badly written, that will at best fail to find the
    driver for the hardware you want, but is more likely to actually break
    your computer - I think mainly just through being sloppily coded, though
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if some are actually malware.

    Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
    I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I >>>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
    Yes!
    have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on >>>Win98se with Kernel-EX..


    It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
    []
    https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
    that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
    But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
    actually cause a problem.

    I didnt thing Kernel-Ex was needed.
    So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
    Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
    in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
    original download). So where did it go?

    Now you mention it, I vaguely remember it using an odd place. If
    "Everything" doesn't work under '98 (I think it doesn't), then I guess
    "dir /s EZ*.*" (from C:\) is your friend!

    I should mention that this file should be required before installing
    Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
    of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
    even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
    anyhow.

    Last time I looked at Opera it wasn't free, so I think that makes is a
    _very_ long time ago; from what I could tell it was also quirky, but
    that's not necessarily bad, just different. Different _can_ be good,
    though has to justify itself (I am getting increasingly dissatisfied
    with the way Brother's Keeper - the genealogy software I use - doesn't
    do things the way most other software does; those "norms" hadn't been established when BK started, so it wasn't wrong then, but continuing to
    plough its own furrow increasingly needs to be justified: having to
    constantly remind yourself "no, to do that in _this_ prog., you have to
    do it like this rather than how everything else these days does it" gets tedious, _unless_ there's actually an _advantage_ to doing things their
    way [which for most of the anomalies in BK, there isn't]).

    I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
    buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
    even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
    computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
    a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
    machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.

    Yes, my 98SElite/XP (boot choice) machine still has one (both sizes!),
    but I haven't powered it for months. Actually, I do have a USB floppy
    drive, but haven't used it since I acquired it.

    I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
    in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
    that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....

    At least you _could_ just back it all up by copying, unlike XP and
    beyond which really need imaging.

    And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.

    And the rest! I have some videos that are in the high hundreds, and HD
    movie enthusiasts must go into the tens of gigs most of the time (even
    an SD one is a few gigs). Yes, my first actual PC had either a 40 or 80M
    (can't remember - think 80). But if we're getting into Yorkshiremen
    Sketch territory, the first computer I actually learnt on had a memory
    of 16. (No, not 16K.) That taught you _really_ compact programming (-:

    [Weird machine: 7 bit, ones (rather than twos) complement arithmetic,
    serial processing (max. ~ 100 kHz, IIRR) ...]

    3
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Radio 4 is one of the reasons being British is good. It's not a subset of Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003.
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  • From anonymous@internet.none@21:1/5 to G6JPG-255@255soft.uk on Sat Apr 14 21:59:53 2018
    On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:40:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

    And the rest! I have some videos that are in the high hundreds, and HD
    movie enthusiasts must go into the tens of gigs most of the time (even
    an SD one is a few gigs). Yes, my first actual PC had either a 40 or 80M >(can't remember - think 80). But if we're getting into Yorkshiremen
    Sketch territory, the first computer I actually learnt on had a memory
    of 16. (No, not 16K.) That taught you _really_ compact programming (-:

    [Weird machine: 7 bit, ones (rather than twos) complement arithmetic,
    serial processing (max. ~ 100 kHz, IIRR) ...]

    3

    My first computer had no hard drive at all. I added a 10 meg drive,
    which cost me around $150 for a USED drive. It did not fit in the case,
    so I had it attached to the outside with some hardware brackets.
    It was pretty amazing being able to boot up to Dos without inserting a
    floppy. The built in monitor was black on amber only. Eventually I
    bought a 3 color monitor, and I had to pay some computer shop to make it
    work. I later learned they installed a video card. Then 3 color monitors
    had a horrid picture, but it was a step above black& while (Amber and
    black in my case).

    Eventually I got a 286, with VGA color and a lot more speed. Then came
    Windows 3.....

    I can and do still back up my Win98 machine by simply copying the files.

    I have found a way to backup XP by copying everything except the Windows
    folder and the Documents & Settings folders. I make a point of NOT
    keeping personal data in the D&S folder. Once and awhile I do back up
    the D&S folder and Windows folder by booting from a flash drive with
    Puppy Linux. Thats the only thing I use Linux for, but it works for
    copying those two folders which you cant copy any other way.

    I have never used any OS newer than XP, and really dont want to.
    Although I'd probably give Win7 a whirl if it was free. But I have no
    intent of ever using Win 8 or 10. (or Vista).
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