• Android version problem

    From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 12:01:19 2019
    With one of my accounts: if I try to access subfolders I get the message "Messages haven't been downloaded yet" i.e. I an see the folder, but not
    its contents.
    Any ideas?
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    Jim S

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Oct 30 14:57:11 2019
    Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    With one of my accounts: if I try to access subfolders I get the message "Messages haven't been downloaded yet" i.e. I an see the folder, but not
    its contents.
    Any ideas?

    Outlook (Android app): Settings -> Pick account -> Reset it. That
    sometimes works. If not, delete and re-add the account.

    Some IMAP providers give you just a mailbox. It has no hierarchal
    folder structure. Instead, like Gmail, they use labels for
    organization. With Gmail, you have to go into your Gmail account to
    decide which labels will be presented to IMAP clients as folders; i.e.,
    you have to configure your Gmail account as to which "folders" an IMAP
    client can see and to which the client can subscribe. Could be similar
    with your IMAP service: go into your account on their server to see if
    it lets you choose which labels it will expose to an IMAP client.

    Some IMAP providers actually do organize the hierarchy of their system
    folders as subfolders of the Inbox folder. To the client, those are subfolders, not system (main level) folders. With desktop e-mail
    clients, like MS Outlook, you can define what is the IMAP root level
    folder which might fix that crappy subfoldering scheme on the server for
    the IMAP system folders. Android e-mail apps don't let you specify the
    IMAP root folder, so you're stuck with system folders presented as
    subfolders under the Inbox. Also, Android e-mail apps don't let you
    specify to which folders they will subscribe, so you can't get the app
    to query the server for a list of folders and choose to which the client
    will subscribe. The Android e-mail apps assume the Inbox, Sent, Trash,
    Spam system folders are all at the same level, not subfolders. Since
    you cannot subscribe to specific folders in the app, you can't get to
    the subfolders.

    E-mail apps are crippled wee programs that don't have the necessary
    settings to compensate for subfoldering (labelling) of system folders
    and don't let you specify an IMAP root folder. They expect standard or
    default behavior from IMAP servers.

    https://www.msoutlook.info/question/619

    In the Outlook app, you might try to add a new folder to see if the app
    will then subscribe to the subfolder. You still cannot define the IMAP
    root folder, but maybe you could get the app to subscribe to a subfolder
    by giving its path. Go to Settings -> pick the IMAP account -> Advanced settings. Are all the system folders listed there (Inbox is assumed,
    but look for Sent, Trask, Drafts, Sent). Tap on any folder listed
    there. In the Choose Folder dialog, click the + icon to add a folder.
    Then specify the full IMAP path to the folder, like Inbox/Sent. With
    Gmail, its IMAP root folder is [Gmail], so you'd use [Gmail]/Sent. The
    syntax is: rootfoldername/foldername. While the app, like others,
    offers no means to specify the IMAP root folder, maybe specifying the
    path to a folder will let the client subscribe to it.

    I don't know what is the IMAP root folder name use by your IMAP
    provider. Some just use a single slash to designate the root folder.
    Some use a name, like their domain or service. Some use INBOX. So, you
    might end up naming a folder as /Sent, rootname/Sent, INBOX/Sent, or
    something else. Call them, say you're IMAP client is subfoldering the
    system folders in your account, and ask what is the name for their IMAP
    root folder. You'll have to get past the 1st-level tech boobs that can
    only search on keywords to give a response, and get to a higher up who
    knows how their IMAP server is configured.

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Oct 30 22:26:25 2019
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:14fhf6uts6lu1.dlg@v.nguard.lh:

    Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    With one of my accounts: if I try to access subfolders I get the
    message
    "Messages haven't been downloaded yet" i.e. I an see the folder, but
    not
    its contents.
    Any ideas?

    Outlook (Android app): Settings -> Pick account -> Reset it. That
    sometimes works. If not, delete and re-add the account.

    Some IMAP providers give you just a mailbox. It has no hierarchal
    folder structure. Instead, like Gmail, they use labels for
    organization. With Gmail, you have to go into your Gmail account to
    decide which labels will be presented to IMAP clients as folders; i.e.,
    you have to configure your Gmail account as to which "folders" an IMAP
    client can see and to which the client can subscribe. Could be similar
    with your IMAP service: go into your account on their server to see if
    it lets you choose which labels it will expose to an IMAP client.

    Some IMAP providers actually do organize the hierarchy of their system folders as subfolders of the Inbox folder. To the client, those are subfolders, not system (main level) folders. With desktop e-mail
    clients, like MS Outlook, you can define what is the IMAP root level
    folder which might fix that crappy subfoldering scheme on the server
    for
    the IMAP system folders. Android e-mail apps don't let you specify the
    IMAP root folder, so you're stuck with system folders presented as
    subfolders under the Inbox. Also, Android e-mail apps don't let you
    specify to which folders they will subscribe, so you can't get the app
    to query the server for a list of folders and choose to which the
    client
    will subscribe. The Android e-mail apps assume the Inbox, Sent, Trash,
    Spam system folders are all at the same level, not subfolders. Since
    you cannot subscribe to specific folders in the app, you can't get to
    the subfolders.

    E-mail apps are crippled wee programs that don't have the necessary
    settings to compensate for subfoldering (labelling) of system folders
    and don't let you specify an IMAP root folder. They expect standard or default behavior from IMAP servers.

    https://www.msoutlook.info/question/619

    In the Outlook app, you might try to add a new folder to see if the app
    will then subscribe to the subfolder. You still cannot define the IMAP
    root folder, but maybe you could get the app to subscribe to a
    subfolder
    by giving its path. Go to Settings -> pick the IMAP account ->
    Advanced
    settings. Are all the system folders listed there (Inbox is assumed,
    but look for Sent, Trask, Drafts, Sent). Tap on any folder listed
    there. In the Choose Folder dialog, click the + icon to add a folder.
    Then specify the full IMAP path to the folder, like Inbox/Sent. With
    Gmail, its IMAP root folder is [Gmail], so you'd use [Gmail]/Sent. The syntax is: rootfoldername/foldername. While the app, like others,
    offers no means to specify the IMAP root folder, maybe specifying the
    path to a folder will let the client subscribe to it.

    I don't know what is the IMAP root folder name use by your IMAP
    provider. Some just use a single slash to designate the root folder.
    Some use a name, like their domain or service. Some use INBOX. So,
    you
    might end up naming a folder as /Sent, rootname/Sent, INBOX/Sent, or something else. Call them, say you're IMAP client is subfoldering the
    system folders in your account, and ask what is the name for their IMAP
    root folder. You'll have to get past the 1st-level tech boobs that can
    only search on keywords to give a response, and get to a higher up who
    knows how their IMAP server is configured.


    Problem solved as explained in alt.comp.freeware.

    --
    Jim S

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