• Creating a custom shell folder visible under 'my computer' just as 'con

    From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 19:49:00 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Hello all,

    I'm in the habit of using the %TEMP% folder for - you guessed it - temporary files. As such I would like to have quick-and-easy access to the folder.

    I've got a simple shortcut to the folder in the root of my drive, but was wondering if I could place it on a bit more central place - but not on the desktop.

    So, I got the idea of using the "system folder" method for it :

    https://techforms.blogspot.com/2009/08/create-special-folder-in-windows.html

    It works alright, but with one drawback : it only shows in the right pane as the contents of the "My Computer" folder, not directly below it (as the "Control panel" entry does).

    So, my question is : does someone here have any idea how I could get the
    added "Special folder" visible in the left pane (by changing tHe
    "Attributes" data perhaps) ? Either as a child of "My Computer", or from "Desktop" (but without it being present on the actual desktop!)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Tue Dec 14 15:02:31 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/14/2021 1:49 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Hello all,

    I'm in the habit of using the %TEMP% folder for - you guessed it - temporary files. As such I would like to have quick-and-easy access to the folder.

    I've got a simple shortcut to the folder in the root of my drive, but was wondering if I could place it on a bit more central place - but not on the desktop.

    So, I got the idea of using the "system folder" method for it :

    https://techforms.blogspot.com/2009/08/create-special-folder-in-windows.html

    It works alright, but with one drawback : it only shows in the right pane as the contents of the "My Computer" folder, not directly below it (as the "Control panel" entry does).

    So, my question is : does someone here have any idea how I could get the added "Special folder" visible in the left pane (by changing tHe
    "Attributes" data perhaps) ? Either as a child of "My Computer", or from "Desktop" (but without it being present on the actual desktop!)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    The only thing that comes to mind, as a Lego piece, is "subst".
    I don't know if File Explorer will accept a subst letter as a left
    pane item or not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUBST

    Paul

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Tue Dec 14 15:58:21 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/14/2021 1:49 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Hello all,

    I'm in the habit of using the %TEMP% folder for - you guessed it - temporary files. As such I would like to have quick-and-easy access to the folder.

    I've got a simple shortcut to the folder in the root of my drive, but was wondering if I could place it on a bit more central place - but not on the desktop.

    So, I got the idea of using the "system folder" method for it :

    https://techforms.blogspot.com/2009/08/create-special-folder-in-windows.html

    It works alright, but with one drawback : it only shows in the right pane as the contents of the "My Computer" folder, not directly below it (as the "Control panel" entry does).

    So, my question is : does someone here have any idea how I could get the added "Special folder" visible in the left pane (by changing tHe
    "Attributes" data perhaps) ? Either as a child of "My Computer", or from "Desktop" (but without it being present on the actual desktop!)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




    Maybe like in Win 10 add it to Quick Access and then when right Click on
    File Explorer in tool bar and it will be a choice

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 08:52:24 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Zaidy036,

    Maybe like in Win 10 add it to Quick Access and then when right Click on
    File Explorer in tool bar and it will be a choice

    Thats what I have now, which has a shortcut to the temp folder in the root
    of the drive I display by default.

    But I would like to give the shortcut (or something similar) a bit more prominent place, like how "Control panel" or "My Nework Places" are shown in the left pane.

    Yeah, one of those "is it possible" ideas I'm afraid. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 08:40:03 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Paul,

    The only thing that comes to mind, as a Lego piece, is "subst".

    :-) You're bringing back memories there ...

    But indeed, "subst Z: %TEMP%" does make a Z drive appear under the "My computer" entry in the left pane. Thanks.

    Now lets see if I can change that drives name to something like "Temp
    folder", and perhaps change its icon too ...

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From JJ@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Wed Dec 15 21:57:10 2021
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 19:49:00 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:

    Hello all,

    I'm in the habit of using the %TEMP% folder for - you guessed it - temporary files. As such I would like to have quick-and-easy access to the folder.

    I've got a simple shortcut to the folder in the root of my drive, but was wondering if I could place it on a bit more central place - but not on the desktop.

    So, I got the idea of using the "system folder" method for it :

    https://techforms.blogspot.com/2009/08/create-special-folder-in-windows.html

    It works alright, but with one drawback : it only shows in the right pane as the contents of the "My Computer" folder, not directly below it (as the "Control panel" entry does).

    So, my question is : does someone here have any idea how I could get the added "Special folder" visible in the left pane (by changing tHe
    "Attributes" data perhaps) ? Either as a child of "My Computer", or from "Desktop" (but without it being present on the actual desktop!)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Just like how new items can be added into "My Computer" shell folder under
    its "Namespace" registry subkey, new items can be added into some other
    (built in) shell folders. Just search for a subkey named "Namespace" under:

    HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

    Some of the shell folders are "Control Panel", "Network Neighborhood", "Printers and Faxes", "Remote Computer", "User Libraries", etc. Some are available in newer/older Windows versions only.

    Of course, this is only possible because the shell folder handlers
    customizable enough and provide a way to add new items. Third party shell folders are likely not provide any way to add new item at all.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 17:34:23 2021
    JJ,

    Just search for a subkey named "Namespace" under:

    HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

    Thats actually the last, step #5 in the link I provided. Although I've did
    a quick look for other namespaces, for my purpose being a child of either
    "My computer" or "Desktop" will do.

    The only problem is that the new link I've been able to create is only
    visible in the right, "details" pane, not the left, "tree" one. I've currently got no idea how either "Control Panel" or "My Network Places" are visible there.

    IOW, I've got the basics down, but am stuck on finishing it off. :-|

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Wed Dec 15 13:27:45 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    |
    | So, I got the idea of using the "system folder" method for it :
    |

    You might want a Namespace Extension. I'm not certain, but
    I have the book VB Shell Programming and that seems to be
    what it does. Frankly I'm not curious enough to explore it, but
    you can. I have a shortcut to TEMP on my desktop, and I have
    a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders on my system.
    That's adequate for me.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 20:44:26 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    You might want a Namespace Extension. I'm not certain, but
    I have the book VB Shell Programming and that seems to be
    what it does.

    Can you tell me te name of the book and possibly its ISBN number too ? It could not hurt to take a look at it.

    I have a shortcut to TEMP on my desktop

    :-) Putting one /there/ isn't hard to do. Though the standard
    drag-and-drop method creates a shortcut which opens the targetted folder
    with just the right pane open. I had to do some googeling to find out how
    to fix that.

    and I have a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders
    on my system.

    Although I've got just the standard Windows and DOS "temp" folders, I do
    have a number of vbscripts for various tasks.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Wed Dec 15 16:56:01 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | Can you tell me te name of the book and possibly its ISBN number too ?
    It
    | could not hurt to take a look at it.
    |

    https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/vb-shell-programming/1565926706/

    It's pretty good. I've used it to write property sheets,
    browser extensins, BHOs and Explorer Bars. It's one of
    those cases where the code isn't so hard but thjere are
    very funky details you need to know and interfaces you
    need to use.

    Unfortunately, a shell extension runs in the Explorer
    process, so a 32-bit SE only works on 32-bit Windows.

    It looks like you might be able to set up a namespace
    extension with just Registry and arcane folder fiddling,
    but I'm not sure.

    | Although I've got just the standard Windows and DOS "temp" folders, I do
    | have a number of vbscripts for various tasks.
    |

    Microsoft have made an increasing mess of things. Originally
    there was one TEMP folder. But just on XP there can be C:\TEMP, C:\Windows\TEMP, and several [useraname]\LocalSettings\TEMP.
    (my username, default, admin, all users, etc) And of course you
    can't clean them in Windows if anything is being used. So I wrote
    a script to check them all and keep going, ignoring errors, if something
    can't be deleted.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 09:35:17 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/vb-shell-programming/1565926706/

    Thanks. Will take a peek at it soon.

    It's one of those cases where the code isn't so hard but thjere are
    very funky details you need to know and interfaces you need to use.

    Yup, encountered a few of those. Takes quite a bit of time (and luck) to google the specifics.

    It looks like you might be able to set up a namespace extension with
    just Registry and arcane folder fiddling, but I'm not sure.

    It would not be the first time I did that. :-)

    So I wrote a script to check them all and keep going, ignoring errors,
    if something can't be deleted.

    One of my scripts checks, at shutdown, the "Recent Documents" folder and
    clears everything outof it which is either a folder or on removable storage. Causes that folder to become (a bit more) usable again.

    I often use it where what needs to be done becomes too complex and a batch
    file just doesn't cut it anymore. I've gone as far as to give those scripts
    a ".vbc" extension to get them to automatically run in a console.

    Funny that although you can read/write full lines from/to the console there
    is nothing like a "get single keypress" method available. So, no easy Yes/No questions or menu selections.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Thu Dec 16 08:15:08 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | I often use it where what needs to be done becomes too complex and a batch
    | file just doesn't cut it anymore. I've gone as far as to give those
    scripts
    | a ".vbc" extension to get them to automatically run in a console.
    |
    | Funny that although you can read/write full lines from/to the console
    there
    | is nothing like a "get single keypress" method available. So, no easy
    Yes/No
    | questions or menu selections.
    |

    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :)

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 14:23:47 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 13:27:45, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders on my system.
    []
    Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"!
    Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Imagine a world with no hypothetical situations...

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 14:27:45 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 08:15:08, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :)


    You can go too far. Feeling you have to use the mouse for _everything_
    is as bad as trying to avoid using it altogether. (When I'm doing
    something keyboard-intensive in particular, I don't want to move my hand
    away to find the mouse [or touchpad].)

    Of course, the development of a third hand would solve the problem (-:
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Imagine a world with no hypothetical situations...

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Thu Dec 16 16:38:21 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:
    [...]

    Funny that although you can read/write full lines from/to the console there is nothing like a "get single keypress" method available. So, no easy Yes/No questions or menu selections.

    Doesn't 'choice' offer what you want/need?

    FWIW, I use .bat (and shell) scripts and 'console' (Command Prompt)
    windows, but only when Mayayana isn't watching. His misplaced/uninformed superiority complex is already bad enough as it is.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 10:04:59 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/16/2021 7:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 13:27:45, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders on my system.
    []
    Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"! Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)



    I think you're the first person I've ever known who doesn't say or
    write "...the xxx is comprised of... where he should say of write "the
    xxx comprises..."

    I remember once sending a draft to my boss (at his request) of a memo I
    wrote for him to approve it before I sent it out. The memo included "comprises." The only change he made was changing "comprises" to
    "comprised of." I changed it back.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 17:33:08 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.

    Have you ever tried to have a vbscript generate some output and run it in a
    GUI ? The result is not something which makes you happy. :-\

    And I do like to see how a program, script or not, progresses.

    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining \
    that their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Lol. Even fricking DOS had a command (KeySel?) which you could use to wait for one or more selectable keys (and have its index returned as the
    exitcode). With a timeout no less.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback.

    Is it ? using a mouse means you have to keep your eyes on the screen. By using the keyboard you could do it blindfolded.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Thu Dec 16 16:38:21 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 08:15:08, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :)

    You can go too far. Feeling you have to use the mouse for _everything_
    is as bad as trying to avoid using it altogether. (When I'm doing
    something keyboard-intensive in particular, I don't want to move my hand
    away to find the mouse [or touchpad].)

    +<very_large_number>

    For example when using this medium, I do not use the mouse at all and
    can leave my hands on the keyboard the whole time, during 'browsing',
    during reading and during composing/posting and all commands are simple
    single or double keypresses. OTOH, when using e-mail, there's more
    'mousing' and less 'typing'.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Dec 16 10:06:41 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/16/2021 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 08:15:08, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :)

    You can go too far. Feeling you have to use the mouse for _everything_
    is as bad as trying to avoid using it altogether. (When I'm doing
    something keyboard-intensive in particular, I don't want to move my hand
    away to find the mouse [or touchpad].)

    +<very_large_number>

    For example when using this medium, I do not use the mouse at all and
    can leave my hands on the keyboard the whole time, during 'browsing',
    during reading and during composing/posting and all commands are simple single or double keypresses. OTOH, when using e-mail, there's more
    'mousing' and less 'typing'.


    Exactly the other way around for me.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 19:03:38 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 10:04:59, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    On 12/16/2021 7:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 13:27:45, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders on my system.
    []
    Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"!
    Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)



    I think you're the first person I've ever known who doesn't say or
    write "...the xxx is comprised of... where he should say of write "the
    xxx comprises..."

    HOORAY! Yes, I don't know why they feel naked without an "of" there. All
    I can think of is that they are thinking of "consists". I think
    "compris*" have only become common in the last few years. Similarly for "myriad", or at least its resurgence: I can only think they're thinking
    of "multitude". (Come to think of it, myriad doesn't need "a" _before_
    it either, though I wouldn't consider it _wrong_.)

    I remember once sending a draft to my boss (at his request) of a memo I
    wrote for him to approve it before I sent it out. The memo included >"comprises." The only change he made was changing "comprises" to
    "comprised of." I changed it back.

    I hope you didn't suffer career-wise. I did have a boss who more or less ordered me to use top-posting, so I did - but only in emails to him (-:.

    (You could have given him his "of" by using "consisting of" if he'd
    insisted.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Her [Valerie Singleton's] main job on /Blue Peter/ was to stop unpredictable creatres running amok. And that was just John Noakes.
    - Alison Pearson, RT 2014/9/6-12

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Thu Dec 16 18:51:49 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com> wrote:
    On 12/16/2021 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 08:15:08, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :) >> >
    You can go too far. Feeling you have to use the mouse for _everything_
    is as bad as trying to avoid using it altogether. (When I'm doing
    something keyboard-intensive in particular, I don't want to move my hand >> away to find the mouse [or touchpad].)

    +<very_large_number>

    For example when using this medium, I do not use the mouse at all and can leave my hands on the keyboard the whole time, during 'browsing', during reading and during composing/posting and all commands are simple single or double keypresses. OTOH, when using e-mail, there's more 'mousing' and less 'typing'.


    Exactly the other way around for me.

    That's probably because you use Thunderbird [1] for this medium (Usenet/NetNews) and I don't. Do you use Thunderbird for e-mail as well?
    If so, why do you use keyboard shortcuts for e-mail, but not for Usenet/ NetNews?

    [1] Is - as your headers imply - 'Betterbird' some new name for
    Thunderbird?

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 12:23:31 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/16/2021 12:03 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 10:04:59, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    On 12/16/2021 7:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 13:27:45, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    a VBScript for cleaning up the myriad TEMP folders on my system.
    []
    Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"!
    Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)



    I think you're the first person I've ever known who doesn't say or
    write "...the xxx is comprised of... where he should say of write "the
    xxx comprises..."

    HOORAY! Yes, I don't know why they feel naked without an "of" there. All
    I can think of is that they are thinking of "consists". I think
    "compris*" have only become common in the last few years. Similarly for "myriad", or at least its resurgence: I can only think they're thinking
    of "multitude". (Come to think of it, myriad doesn't need "a" _before_
    it either, though I wouldn't consider it _wrong_.)

    I remember once sending a draft to my boss (at his request) of a memo I >>wrote for him to approve it before I sent it out. The memo included >>"comprises." The only change he made was changing "comprises" to
    "comprised of." I changed it back.

    I hope you didn't suffer career-wise.


    No. I hated him, and I hated the company, I soon found another, much
    better, job, and resigned a short time later. I didn't work there long.


    I did have a boss who more or less
    ordered me to use top-posting, so I did - but only in emails to him (-:.

    (You could have given him his "of" by using "consisting of" if he'd insisted.)


    Yes, I could have, but I didn't.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Dec 16 12:26:49 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/16/2021 11:51 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com> wrote:
    On 12/16/2021 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 08:15:08, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    It's like avoiding modern clotheswashers and then complaining that
    their washboard doesn't have a spin cycle.

    Even more strange is that avoiding the mouse seems to be making
    a comeback. I expect to see millennials down at the local river,
    scrubbing on their washboards, in an attempt to "wash authentically". :) >> >> >
    You can go too far. Feeling you have to use the mouse for _everything_
    is as bad as trying to avoid using it altogether. (When I'm doing
    something keyboard-intensive in particular, I don't want to move my hand >> >> away to find the mouse [or touchpad].)

    +<very_large_number>

    For example when using this medium, I do not use the mouse at all and >> > can leave my hands on the keyboard the whole time, during 'browsing',
    during reading and during composing/posting and all commands are simple
    single or double keypresses. OTOH, when using e-mail, there's more
    'mousing' and less 'typing'.


    Exactly the other way around for me.

    That's probably because you use Thunderbird [1] for this medium (Usenet/NetNews) and I don't. Do you use Thunderbird for e-mail as well?


    Yes, for the last six months or so.


    If so, why do you use keyboard shortcuts for e-mail, but not for Usenet/ NetNews?



    ??? I use Autohotkey and use shortcuts for everything.


    [1] Is - as your headers imply - 'Betterbird' some new name for
    Thunderbird?



    No. Betterbird is a Thunderbird variant, with a few minor improvements.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 21:08:00 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Frank,

    Doesn't 'choice' offer what you want/need?

    Yup, that was the DOS program I was thinking of. Thanks.

    Though I was lamenting that VBScript (or rather : cscript) does not have anything comparable. Or anything beyond a basic console write and read function. Not even a "cls".

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 17:27:28 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>

    | > It's a mystery to me that people keep using console windows.
    |
    | Have you ever tried to have a vbscript generate some output and run it in
    a
    | GUI ? The result is not something which makes you happy. :-\
    |
    Of course. I can show a msgbox. I can write the result to a file.
    Or if I want it interactive, I use an HTA. I have about a dozen
    of those sitting on my desktop. I figure that if I have to type
    something like a path more than once then it's worth automating it.

    | Is it ? using a mouse means you have to keep your eyes on the screen.
    By
    | using the keyboard you could do it blindfolded.
    |

    Ah. So you worked as a secretary before computers?
    Personally I don't know the keyboard that well. And I
    don't have trouble looking at the screen. It's right in front
    of me, after all. In fact, it seems that whenever I look
    away something goes wrong. For instance, I thought I
    was typing in search terms but when I finally look up I
    see that the search box doesn't have the focus.

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Thu Dec 16 17:29:10 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

    | Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"!
    | Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)

    It's always a special thrill to be complimented on
    my use of English by a Brit. :)

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 17 13:09:11 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    I want it interactive, I use an HTA

    :-) I wasn't even /hinting/ at an interactive GUI, but just being able to
    do simple stuff like a Yes/No (or alike) question (MsgBox in VBS).

    As for an HTA ? If I want to spend time at create an actual GUI I can as
    well write a program. Way more flexible and not an god-awfull mess of GUI elements mixed with code.

    Personally I don't know the keyboard that well. And I
    don't have trouble looking at the screen.

    Not everyone is the same as you are I'm afraid ...

    For instance, I thought I was typing in search terms but when
    I finally look up I see that the search box doesn't have the focus.

    And what happens when you keep your eyes on the screen and not the keyboard
    ? What is your actual-character-to backspace ratio than ? :-p

    In my case I've got enough muscle-memory to guide my two index fingers to
    the vincinity of the intended key, but must use eyeballing to hit it right
    (and not some neighbouring keys too). And that also answers your
    "secretary" remark.

    But yes, that happens to me too. *Even though* I hit the hotkey-combo for
    the searchbox it for some reason sometimes refuses to come up (often because
    it gobbles up the hotkey keystroke because of being in a "press any key to continue" state), or when its already up refuses to give focus to the input field.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Fri Dec 17 08:26:22 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | :-) I wasn't even /hinting/ at an interactive GUI, but just being able to
    | do simple stuff like a Yes/No (or alike) question (MsgBox in VBS).
    |
    And that's why they invented the WSH. It's understandable
    that you're used to DOS and like to stick with what's familiar,
    but WSH, now more than 20 years old, was basically updating DOS
    for the graphical OS.

    But then they started going backward again with PowerShell.
    Why? Because they're trying to make Windows servers attractive
    to Linux console window fanatics, so they invented a clunky,
    command-line system of applets, like the Linux shells use. It's
    not because PS was the most sensible design.

    | As for an HTA ? If I want to spend time at create an actual GUI I can as
    | well write a program. Way more flexible and not an god-awfull mess of GUI
    | elements mixed with code.
    |
    An HTA is a GUI program. It's just simpler than compiled code,
    and powered by script, for those situations where you need to keep
    the script alive and/or need interaction. It's not for everyone,
    especially if you don't do web design, but I use them because
    they're fun and simple to write. For example, on my desktop I have
    an email database, a youtube-dl frontend, a javascript de-obfuscator,
    an HTML reader that allows me to make edits to the webpage
    as I read, an image viewer for folders, and even a Win7 SDK
    help viewer. All HTAs. Plus several others. I've written more complicated
    HTAs. A COM object viewer. An image editor using WIA. An
    MSI file unpacker. Writing those as software is far more complicated
    and often unnecessary.

    So HTAs fill a niche. And the ability to use COM objects makes
    them almost as flexible as compiled software, except where speed is
    needed. To my mind, IE and COM were both brilliant inventions.
    I would never let IE online, but for HTAs it's a lot of fun and
    extremely adaptable.

    But I think a lot of people agree with you. Many programmers are
    math people and not very visual/design oriented. They don't like
    GUIs. Many don't even feel much affinity with language. Thus,
    Linux: Lots of console windows and no docs.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Mayayana on Fri Dec 17 07:24:57 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/16/2021 3:29 PM, Mayayana wrote:
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

    | Wow, someone who knows that "myriad" shouldn't be followed by "of"!
    | Excellent. (Like "comprises"/"comprised".)

    It's always a special thrill to be complimented on
    my use of English by a Brit. :)


    I see your smiley, but perhaps you really feel that way.

    I don't feel that way. British English is somewhat different from
    American English, but as far as I'm concerned, neither is better than
    the other.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 17 19:16:20 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    And that's why they invented the WSH.

    I'm afraid you're fully missing the point there. CSH /could/ rather easily have had something similar, but it hasn't.

    It's understandable that you're used to DOS and like to stick with
    what's familiar,

    You should know better than that. I remember you responding to a number of
    my Win32 related questions (in comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32). And
    yes, most of those related to GUI programs.

    An HTA is a GUI program. It's just simpler than compiled code,
    and powered by script, for those situations where you need to keep
    the script alive and/or need interaction.

    Pardon my crudeness, but why are you explaining (mansplaining?) that to me ?
    I thought I'd already indicated that I know what it is - and why I do not really like it.

    But I think a lot of people agree with you. Many programmers are
    math people and not very visual/design oriented.

    I'm afraid I've said nothing in that regard to agree with, and its just how
    you look at me. And as indicated in the above, I don't think you've done me right.

    Also, as I think you have still a lot to offer me in regard to programming advice (we might not always agree with each other, but even that has its
    worth) I'm not willing to continue this line of conversation.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Fri Dec 17 13:28:14 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | Also, as I think you have still a lot to offer me in regard to programming
    | advice (we might not always agree with each other, but even that has its
    | worth) I'm not willing to continue this line of conversation.
    |

    Not to worry. If I argue with you too much, Carlos
    and Frank might get jealous. :)

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Mayayana on Fri Dec 17 18:59:01 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | Also, as I think you have still a lot to offer me in regard to programming | advice (we might not always agree with each other, but even that has its
    | worth) I'm not willing to continue this line of conversation.

    Not to worry. If I argue with you too much, Carlos
    and Frank might get jealous. :)

    Nah, we're just enjoying the show and passing the popcorn.

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Fri Dec 17 13:25:54 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalidinvalid.com> wrote

    | > It's always a special thrill to be complimented on
    | > my use of English by a Brit. :)
    |
    |
    | I see your smiley, but perhaps you really feel that way.
    |
    | I don't feel that way. British English is somewhat different from
    | American English, but as far as I'm concerned, neither is better than
    | the other.
    |

    It was meant as a joke of sorts. I wasn't thinking of
    differences. I was thinking of the way that Brits take
    pride in their language and often treat it as an art form.
    For us it's the language we speak. For them it's their
    heritage.

    Interestingly, last week I watched "Venus", with Peter
    O'Toole, Vanessa Redgrave, and a young actress with a
    working class accent. It was an interesting juxtaposition.
    Peter O'Toole spoke so articulately that it was a pleasure
    to listen to anything he said. Inflection, timing.... his was
    a perfect presentation. The young woman was portrayed
    with one of the worst British accents. Cockney, maybe?
    Sloppy, blurting, and full of mistakes. We have similar
    accents in the US, but truly artful speech in the US
    is rare. Maybe Gore Vidal? I can't think of anyone else
    offhand who I just look forward to them opening their
    mouth. It requires emotional sensitivity as well as intellect.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 09:47:20 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Mayayana,

    Not to worry. If I argue with you too much, Carlos
    and Frank might get jealous. :)

    Carlos E.R. ? I recently had a few "conversations" with him myself.

    Not really a likable fellow. Has no problem with making up stuff and from
    it claiming "you're doing it wrong" as well as rejecting anything that
    doesn't fit his narrative.

    Ofcourse, once you see thru his trick of agreeing with other peoples
    solutions as if he already knew them it becomes kind of funny.

    Now I think of it, he reminds me a bit of Dilberts pointy-haired boss :

    https://dilbert.com/

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 22:08:35 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 18:59:01, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

    | Also, as I think you have still a lot to offer me in regard to programming >> | advice (we might not always agree with each other, but even that has its >> | worth) I'm not willing to continue this line of conversation.

    Not to worry. If I argue with you too much, Carlos
    and Frank might get jealous. :)

    Nah, we're just enjoying the show and passing the popcorn.

    LOL for over a minute, and still chuckling ... thanks!
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Correct me if I'm wrong ... everybody else does.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 22:47:10 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 13:25:54, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalidinvalid.com> wrote

    | > It's always a special thrill to be complimented on
    | > my use of English by a Brit. :)
    |
    |
    | I see your smiley, but perhaps you really feel that way.
    |
    | I don't feel that way. British English is somewhat different from
    | American English, but as far as I'm concerned, neither is better than
    | the other.
    |

    They both have their irritating aspects! In this case (that "myriad"
    shouldn't take "of" [any more than "comprises"/"comprised" do]), I think
    both are the same.

    It was meant as a joke of sorts. I wasn't thinking of
    differences. I was thinking of the way that Brits take
    pride in their language and often treat it as an art form.
    For us it's the language we speak. For them it's their
    heritage.

    That hay have been the case once, and of course some of us still feel it matters, but you wouldn't need to spend long here to find that a large proportion of Brits are good at murdering it! And I've found plenty of
    USians who _are_ concerned. Probably a similar (small) proportion both
    sides, though what they're concerned about is subtly different.

    Interestingly, last week I watched "Venus", with Peter
    O'Toole, Vanessa Redgrave, and a young actress with a
    working class accent. It was an interesting juxtaposition.
    Peter O'Toole spoke so articulately that it was a pleasure
    to listen to anything he said. Inflection, timing.... his was
    a perfect presentation.

    (I feel the same about Dame Julie.)

    The young woman was portrayed
    with one of the worst British accents. Cockney, maybe?

    Could well have been. I'm far from keen on it, but you're not supposed
    to knock it - its supposed to be "lovable". (-: [I haven't seen that
    film.]

    Sloppy, blurting, and full of mistakes. We have similar
    accents in the US, but truly artful speech in the US
    is rare. Maybe Gore Vidal? I can't think of anyone else
    offhand who I just look forward to them opening their
    mouth. It requires emotional sensitivity as well as intellect.

    I'm not sufficiently familiar with enough to name one whose speech I
    enjoy listening to, though know several authors whose _writing_ I've
    enjoyed and at least two whose _lyrics_ I find extremely skilful use of language.

    One aspect of American speech that bugs me far more than it should -
    after all, it doesn't _matter_ - is the voiced embedded T, that makes
    water sound like warder, writer rider, and so on. Pretty universal from
    almost all regions. And it's only when in the middle of a word - t is pronounced t at the start or end of a word, just not in the middle. And
    I'm sure they (you) don't realise they're doing it. I've recently
    started to wonder - out of fairness - if there's some similar
    pronunciation most Brits do that we seem not to know we're doing but
    that grates on US ears.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Correct me if I'm wrong ... everybody else does.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Mayayana on Sun Dec 19 08:01:30 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 12/19/2021 7:29 AM, Mayayana wrote:
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

    | They both have their irritating aspects! In this case (that "myriad"
    | shouldn't take "of" [any more than "comprises"/"comprised" do]), I think
    | both are the same.

    I find a lot of what irritates me is in the attitude or
    style. I especially dislike "ask" as a noun. It's a request.
    So why "ask"? The only reason I can think of is that
    maybe lazy-ass texters were trying to save 4 letters.




    Or maybe lazy-ask testers.


    Another is y'all. That's a regional expression from the
    South. A contraction of "you all". Fine if you happen to
    be going to a hoedown on the Bayou. But suddenly it seems
    to be a signal that the speaker appreciates ethnic flavor...
    Even if Southern pride is the closest they can get to
    ethnic.



    Many languages have separate forms for second person singular and second
    person plural. English used to ("thou" and "you"), but these day the
    plural form ("you") is now almost always used for both singular and
    plural in an effort to be polite.

    Many people find the absence of separate forms troubling, so they use
    "you" for the singular and some new form for the plural. What they use
    for the plural varies for place to place, but "y'all," "you all" and
    "youse" are all fairly common in some locations. If they say "you" to a
    group of people, they fear that someone may feel left out, so they use
    one of these new plural forms.

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Sun Dec 19 09:29:48 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

    | They both have their irritating aspects! In this case (that "myriad"
    | shouldn't take "of" [any more than "comprises"/"comprised" do]), I think
    | both are the same.

    I find a lot of what irritates me is in the attitude or
    style. I especially dislike "ask" as a noun. It's a request.
    So why "ask"? The only reason I can think of is that
    maybe lazy-ass texters were trying to save 4 letters.

    Another is y'all. That's a regional expression from the
    South. A contraction of "you all". Fine if you happen to
    be going to a hoedown on the Bayou. But suddenly it seems
    to be a signal that the speaker appreciates ethnic flavor...
    Even if Southern pride is the closest they can get to
    ethnic.

    |
    | (I feel the same about Dame Julie.)
    |
    Dame Julie? Do you perhaps mean Judy Dench? You
    expect us colonists to know all the royalty, what? We
    know Princess First Class Meghan, because she's the
    US ambassador of New Age Frippery and Nouveau Riche.
    (Having inherited the title from Lady Oprah.) We also
    know Harry, because he's her too-public lap dog. Aside
    from that? I do seem to remember a pleasant woman
    named Kate, who's apparently famous for wearing a
    large variety of tasteful get-ups, as we say in the
    Colonies. (Perhaps she's the Duchess of Millinery?)

    Personally I like Charles and I don't like the way
    you Brits disrespect him. He's consistently decent,
    responsible, and seems to genuinely devote himself to
    the people. Yet the media are always looking for a
    chance to make him look silly.

    | One aspect of American speech that bugs me far more than it should -
    | after all, it doesn't _matter_ - is the voiced embedded T, that makes
    | water sound like warder, writer rider, and so on. Pretty universal from
    | almost all regions. And it's only when in the middle of a word - t is
    | pronounced t at the start or end of a word, just not in the middle. And
    | I'm sure they (you) don't realise they're doing it.

    Is that one of those British passive aggressive moves,
    accusing us of doing it deliberately? :)

    It's certainly common. I speak that way. I feel like I'd
    need to make a full stop if I want to pronounce a T like
    that. Who's got time?

    There's another one I've noticed that seems new.
    For some reason it bugs me. "Student". I say something
    like "STEW-nt". Many young people now say "STEW-DEH".

    There's also a breathy, skipped T at the end that's typical of
    both Irish and New England. I never noticed that I did that until
    I heard Meryl Streep's accent in the movie Doubt, which she
    pronounced with a very soft T, partially touching the tongue to
    the middle of the hard palate and pushing air past it, rather
    than snapping the tongue near the front of the hard palate.

    So, yes, I'm guilty. I don't really do Ts except in words like
    "table". But I do enjoy the British art of exaggerated Ts to
    produce a kind of irritably emphatic tone. It's hard to speak
    so forcefully in American English. (Yet if you watch old movies
    from the 30s and 40s, many of the actors had semi-aristocratic
    New England accents that are quite pleasant and sort of
    half British. Katherine Hepburn was a bit like that. But maybe
    that was more theatrical style than accent. I don't know.)

    | I've recently
    | started to wonder - out of fairness - if there's some similar
    | pronunciation most Brits do that we seem not to know we're doing but
    | that grates on US ears.

    Not in the formal accent. At least not to me. I enjoy the
    care of articulation. Though I think you might come up
    with some insults other than "wanker". That's badly overused.
    Maybe something like "goddamn T-skipping colonist" would be
    a nice change of pace. Aside from that, probably only the
    excessive formality needs work. When insults are made passive
    aggressively, that's not classy. It's just sleaze. I don't know
    where Brits got the idea that it's classy to insult another while
    trying to fool them into not noticing. It's barmy, what? In
    the US we say, "Hey, shit-for-brains, you're out to lunch!"
    A Brit would likely say, "Ah, well, you apparently know more
    about it than I do."

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  • From Sam Hill@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Sun Dec 19 17:15:12 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 08:01:30 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

    Many people find the absence of separate forms troubling, so they use
    "you" for the singular and some new form for the plural. What they use
    for the plural varies for place to place, but "y'all," "you all" and
    "youse" are all fairly common in some locations. If they say "you" to a
    group of people, they fear that someone may feel left out, so they use
    one of these new plural forms.

    My late uncle from Big Spring, Texas once told me that "y'all" was
    singular and "all y'all" was plural. After listening to his friends and neighbors, I believe him.

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