• O.T. Speaker Icon/Volume control

    From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 23:57:39 2021
    I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
    with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
    and Windows firewall.

    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    Ram 12.0 GB
    System type : 64-bit operating system

    I also have

    I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
    SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
    and Windows firewall.

    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    System type : 64-bit operating system

    and (external hard drives)

    (8500)
    WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
    RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    Hard Drive

    (780)
    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
    Internal Hard Drive



    The problem is with the 8500 volume icon which is
    usually on the task bar but it's gone now. I haven't
    done anything unusual and I can still raise and lower
    volume but the icon/controls are gone.

    So how do I recover them?

    Thanks,
    Robert




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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 00:02:25 2021
    I meant the speaker icon of course.

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sat Oct 23 04:00:14 2021
    On 10/23/2021 2:57 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
    I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
    with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
    and Windows firewall.

    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    Ram 12.0 GB
    System type : 64-bit operating system

    I also have

    I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower,  with Windows 7 Professional,
    SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
    and Windows firewall.

    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    System type : 64-bit operating system

    and (external hard drives)

    (8500)
    WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
    RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
    Hard Drive

    (780)
    Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
    Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
    Internal Hard Drive



    The problem is with the 8500 volume icon which is
    usually on the task bar but it's gone now. I haven't
    done anything unusual and I can still raise and lower
    volume but the icon/controls are gone.

    So how do I recover them?

    Thanks,
    Robert

    Open Control Panels.

    In the upper right corner, is "Search Control Panels" in gray text.

    Type the letter "n" in there for "Notification Icons"

    In that section of the search result should be an item:

    "Show or hide volume (speaker) icon on the taskbar"

    It's the second item down, out of "Clock Volume Network Power Action_Center" as choices.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/9QSQr7kH/speaker-icon.gif

    Since your vol_up and vol_down still work, it probably isn't
    the Windows Audio service gone missing.

    ( https://superuser.com/questions/205520/on-windows-7-my-volume-icon-is-missing-from-the-system-tray )

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 10:32:13 2021
    Hmmm I opened Control Panel but I do not see any text in gray
    in the upper right corner?

    https://postimg.cc/H8ywFbyt

    I did follow the procedure more or less in your second link with
    no effect. Then in the same video it says if that didn't work it said
    to go into Task Manager, then click Processes and find the
    Explorer.exe and delete it. I didn't do it and posted the problem
    here instead.

    In any case, the speaker icon returned. How can it disappear
    and then return by itself?

    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 10:36:24 2021
    I was referring to another video I saw on the subject.

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sat Oct 23 16:01:59 2021
    On 10/23/2021 1:32 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    Hmmm I opened Control Panel but I do not see any text in gray
    in the upper right corner?

    https://postimg.cc/H8ywFbyt

    I did follow the procedure more or less in your second link with
    no effect. Then in the same video it says if that didn't work it said
    to go into Task Manager, then click Processes and find the
    Explorer.exe and delete it. I didn't do it and posted the problem
    here instead.

    In any case, the speaker icon returned. How can it disappear
    and then return by itself?

    Robert


    Perhaps the first time an application (the thing playing the video)
    sent audio samples to the speakers, that "woke up" the Windows Audio
    service and friends ?

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 24 13:25:59 2021
    Perhaps, but I play documentary video's on YouTube all the time
    and this is the first time this has happened. Very strange.

    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 29 10:03:52 2021
    It happened again today.

    The speaker icon should be on the task bar
    next to the Network icon and Action center
    icon but it's not there.

    https://postimg.cc/dkKF6SKV

    The speakers still function and I can raise and
    lower volume but don't you think this is strange?

    I checked Task Manager and I'm the only User
    logged on.

    Robert

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to magineer02@yahoo.com on Fri Oct 29 14:22:11 2021
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT), Robert in CA
    <magineer02@yahoo.com> wrote:

    It happened again today.

    The speaker icon should be on the task bar
    next to the Network icon and Action center
    icon but it's not there.

    https://postimg.cc/dkKF6SKV

    The speakers still function and I can raise and
    lower volume but don't you think this is strange?

    I checked Task Manager and I'm the only User
    logged on.

    Robert

    Right click taskbar ---> properties --> make sure "hide
    inactive icons" is un-checked.

    And/or
    Control Panel --> audio devices --> volume tab
    Make sure "place an icon on taskbar" is checked


    (actual words might be different --> my XP is "foreign")
    All I can think of ATM
    []'s
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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 29 19:43:02 2021
    It came back all on it's own once again.

    https://postimg.cc/xX6h3dys

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sat Oct 30 00:04:36 2021
    On 10/29/2021 10:43 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    It came back all on it's own once again.

    https://postimg.cc/xX6h3dys

    Robert


    Mine has the hardware driver, rather than just the
    generic hdaudio.

    https://i.postimg.cc/yY4Lgbpr/Real-Tek-Driver.gif

    Something is interfering with yours, but what ?

    The simplest explanation would be the Windows Audio
    service exiting, and then restarting itself. But
    when a service restarts, it usually does that pretty
    quickly.

    Whereas if there is a lengthy outage, it means
    some "dependency" of the service is not being met.
    Like, another service it depends on. (And not RPC,
    since if RPC dies, the OS dies.)

    It's too bad we couldn't rely on the Eventvwr.msc
    to record the events leading up to stuff like this.

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 13:44:38 2021
    It happened again today,..

    Here's my configuration:

    https://postimg.cc/47Z2m20C

    I sure have my share of some strange off
    the wall problems.

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sat Oct 30 18:07:42 2021
    On 10/30/2021 5:51 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    I forgot to give you this:

    https://postimg.cc/0bk4PNM8

    I followed the link you gave:

    https://postimg.cc/PLszf63m

    https://postimg.cc/wtX51hZn

    At present the icon is gone again.

    Robert



    The only additional thing here, was checking the notification icon setting. That's in Control Panels and has the word Notification in it.

    https://www.drivethelife.com/uploadfiles/20170524/turn-on-system-icons-volume-icon-missing-windows-10.png

    But that would not account for it disappearing and reappearing at random.

    Normally, for Services, they will do three retries before giving up.
    In which case, at some point the icon would disappear and not come back
    if it was a Services issue.

    Based on your description, "some software is messing with you".
    It would take a purposeful application bent on destruction to
    do this. Most of the other mechanisms would eventually settle
    down to a "not working" condition (until you rebooted).

    And I don't think the Windows 7 Health Report is good enough
    to shed light on this.

    When the icon disappears, you can try the Troubleshooting control panel.
    And select the "Troubleshoot Audio Playback". But the reason I
    didn't select this in the first place, is I consider the odds low,
    that it would notice what was going on.

    While it could be related to a lack of free RAM, I would think
    you'd notice other symptoms on the machine besides that icon
    disappearing. Firefox now, can eat all the system memory on its
    own, but if it did, I would expect some notification to appear
    to that effect (low on memory).

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 14:51:30 2021
    I forgot to give you this:

    https://postimg.cc/0bk4PNM8

    I followed the link you gave:

    https://postimg.cc/PLszf63m

    https://postimg.cc/wtX51hZn

    At present the icon is gone again.

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sat Oct 30 17:41:19 2021
    On 10/30/2021 4:44 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    It happened again today,..

    Here's my configuration:

    https://postimg.cc/47Z2m20C

    I sure have my share of some strange off
    the wall problems.

    Robert


    The next time it disappears, you can check these.

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-audio-and-windows-audio-end-point-not/fcb555a9-cc8b-40ab-9874-44206001922a

    "Windows Audio
    Windows Audio Endpoint Builder
    "

    There's also a dependency on Multimedia Class Scheduler.
    But with my foggy memory, I don't remember if that one
    fails for some good reason or not.

    But as far as RPC goes, that one can't fail, because
    everything in the OS depends on it. You would have
    more than a disappearing icon, if RPC failed. RPC
    is Remote Procedure Call, but just like 30 years ago,
    it also answers all sorts of Local Procedure Calls too
    (127.0.0.1) and has become indispensible to machine
    operation. The name has an "optional" ring to it,
    but it really isn't optional because of the local part
    of its duties.

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 00:26:45 2021
    Just curious, how could it back a lack of free RAM
    when I have 12GB of RAM?

    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 00:22:25 2021
    I checked the link you gave and this is what it says:

    https://postimg.cc/nMR2mzyd

    I also checked for trouble shooting but I could not find
    any 'Troubleshoot Audio Playback'.

    Are you saying that this is a deliberate attempt to destroy my computer?

    What do you think we should do with the the speaker going on/off
    even though it doesn't affect the sound or my keyboard control of
    raising or lowering it. Do you think this will escalate? Maybe we should try
    a System restore? or Mrimg? I'm scheduled to create a new one this Monday 11-1-21.

    At present the icon is on the task bar . Also I haven't added any new
    programs which would of caused this. This just started happening on
    it's own. I do recall getting a host malware several days ago but I
    quarantined it and ran the scan again which came up clean and also
    just ran a scan before posting this.

    Thoughts/Suggestions?
    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sun Oct 31 08:28:04 2021
    On 10/31/2021 3:26 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
    Just curious, how could it back a lack of free RAM
    when I have 12GB of RAM?

    Robert


    Firefox can use up all the memory on the machine.
    This is a function of Javascript code on a web page.

    Presumably some nifty new function was added to make
    Javascript more flexible, and the end result was
    commercial web pages did "a little bit too much of
    a good thing". But because the responsible parties
    won't talk about it, and Mozilla is slapping
    a bandaid on it, we'll never know for sure.

    The plan is, at some point soon, Mozilla will
    unload a tab which uses excessive memory, then
    when the user opens the tab again, the tab
    will reload the Javascript code and carry on.

    A question would be, why am I not hearing of Chrome
    browsers running the system out of RAM ? If Chrome
    can handle these web pages without making a mess,
    perhaps Mozilla will one day figure it out too :-)

    But until I see an explanation somewhere, as to what
    is going on, I can't say more than that. That Firefox,
    when a tab is resting in it, at some point the code
    seems to go nuts and the memory usage goes up.

    If you watch the memory usage of Firefox, it "wobbles".
    Maybe one second, it is 1GB. The next second it is 1.1GB.
    Then it goes down again to 1GB again. What just happened
    is "garbage collection". The twits, evaluate the code
    over and over again in real time. So when the memory
    usage has gone nuts, presumably something the
    Javascript is doing, uses a feature of Firefox that
    "leaks". The garbage collector is only allowed to
    reclaim what it thinks is unused RAM. If, during the
    continuous re-evaluation of what is displayed, the
    memory is not free() by the Javascript, then the memory
    usage goes up and up, and the garbage collector
    can't make it go down (like normal).

    The Mozilla bandaid, is to add a "memory quota" to the
    tab. That's their workaround for now. If system memory
    is getting low, the tab will be "dumped", a kind of
    "gross garbage collection".

    But you have to ask yourself, where did this leaky
    behavior of Javascript come from ? What new feature
    made it profitable for websites to do this to
    client browsers ? Dunno. The people doing it, probably
    know they're doing it. Where is the profit ?

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sun Oct 31 08:34:59 2021
    On 10/31/2021 3:22 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
    I checked the link you gave and this is what it says:

    https://postimg.cc/nMR2mzyd

    I also checked for trouble shooting but I could not find
    any 'Troubleshoot Audio Playback'.

    Are you saying that this is a deliberate attempt to destroy my computer?

    What do you think we should do with the the speaker going on/off
    even though it doesn't affect the sound or my keyboard control of
    raising or lowering it. Do you think this will escalate? Maybe we should try
    a System restore? or Mrimg? I'm scheduled to create a new one this Monday 11-1-21.

    At present the icon is on the task bar . Also I haven't added any new programs which would of caused this. This just started happening on
    it's own. I do recall getting a host malware several days ago but I quarantined it and ran the scan again which came up clean and also
    just ran a scan before posting this.

    Thoughts/Suggestions?
    Robert

    A rollback might be a good idea, depending on how long
    this has been going on (covered by a backup of the system
    before it started doing this).

    The Mrimg would be higher quality material than an
    easily exploited System Restore point :-)

    The behavior is not "normal computer malfunction" behavior.
    If this was an OS problem, it would normally get stuck in
    some final condition, rather than fading in and out like that.

    It's hard to imagine a natural phenomenon to make it do that.
    That's all.

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 13:15:13 2021
    This is the first time I've heard of this of using up memory.
    Is this part of their effort to collect biometric data?

    Here's what Task Manager shows:

    https://postimg.cc/GHTYc7YJ

    https://postimg.cc/RWQWFj0f

    https://postimg.cc/3W4WpyR3

    https://postimg.cc/mt3LN7GW

    https://postimg.cc/zHZNTGtf

    https://postimg.cc/JHcfJcHT

    So you suggest an Mrimg restore? Do you suggest the
    last Mrimg made so I don't loose as much? I'll have to
    transfer some folders files that I've been working on so
    I don't loose them. Here's your previous instructions,
    do you want to add anything?

    https://postimg.cc/t7CwmPPH

    https://postimg.cc/wR7WxXcy

    https://postimg.cc/hXFCg7Jv

    https://postimg.cc/F17GLx31

    https://postimg.cc/WdP7xLKJ

    https://postimg.cc/H8yQPB92

    https://postimg.cc/LqQL9ryD

    https://postimg.cc/SYCMGjm1

    https://postimg.cc/Js1kb1vK

    https://postimg.cc/dDrkpkK4

    https://postimg.cc/rK9dyBs4

    https://postimg.cc/678T0T0V

    https://postimg.cc/HV3x1bv4

    https://postimg.cc/K4DL4ks4

    https://postimg.cc/c60tq14W

    https://postimg.cc/4KpyMqDn

    After restoring, then I think it's a good idea to make
    an update.

    Thoughts/suggestions?
    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Sun Oct 31 18:14:40 2021
    On 10/31/2021 4:15 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    This is the first time I've heard of this of using up memory.
    Is this part of their effort to collect biometric data?

    Here's what Task Manager shows:

    https://postimg.cc/GHTYc7YJ

    https://postimg.cc/RWQWFj0f

    https://postimg.cc/3W4WpyR3

    https://postimg.cc/mt3LN7GW

    https://postimg.cc/zHZNTGtf

    https://postimg.cc/JHcfJcHT

    So you suggest an Mrimg restore? Do you suggest the
    last Mrimg made so I don't loose as much? I'll have to
    transfer some folders files that I've been working on so
    I don't loose them. Here's your previous instructions,
    do you want to add anything?

    https://postimg.cc/t7CwmPPH

    https://postimg.cc/wR7WxXcy

    https://postimg.cc/hXFCg7Jv

    https://postimg.cc/F17GLx31

    https://postimg.cc/WdP7xLKJ

    https://postimg.cc/H8yQPB92

    https://postimg.cc/LqQL9ryD

    https://postimg.cc/SYCMGjm1

    https://postimg.cc/Js1kb1vK

    https://postimg.cc/dDrkpkK4

    https://postimg.cc/rK9dyBs4

    https://postimg.cc/678T0T0V

    https://postimg.cc/HV3x1bv4

    https://postimg.cc/K4DL4ks4

    https://postimg.cc/c60tq14W

    https://postimg.cc/4KpyMqDn

    After restoring, then I think it's a good idea to make
    an update.

    Thoughts/suggestions?
    Robert


    Weird. I see a good amount of RAM being used, but (as usual)
    the Task Manager values for Processes, don't add up.

    Yes, of course you back up your Downloads folder, your Bookmarks,
    your email database, anything that the .mrimg restore is going
    to be wiping out. Those kinds of items should be copied somewhere
    safe, before the Macrium Restore begins.

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 22:30:19 2021
    I saved all my data on a Patriot flash key and made a system restore
    point before starting. I used the 10-2-21 Mrimg to recover; during the procedure it had a pop-up to run it in PE mode;' I forgot it had to run in
    the PE environment so I selected it and the restore procedure continued
    with no issues.

    So all is good so far and I have the speaker icon; let's hope it doesn't
    start disappearing. I'll be sure to let you know if it does. I had a Macrium update and when I checked for Windows updates I had a Malicious
    maleware update. Is there anything else you would recommend doing?
    I think I'll wait a bit before making a new Mrimg update just to make sure.

    Thoughts/Suggestions?
    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Mon Nov 1 03:38:18 2021
    On 11/1/2021 1:30 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
    I saved all my data on a Patriot flash key and made a system restore
    point before starting. I used the 10-2-21 Mrimg to recover; during the procedure it had a pop-up to run it in PE mode;' I forgot it had to run in the PE environment so I selected it and the restore procedure continued
    with no issues.

    So all is good so far and I have the speaker icon; let's hope it doesn't start disappearing. I'll be sure to let you know if it does. I had a Macrium update and when I checked for Windows updates I had a Malicious
    maleware update. Is there anything else you would recommend doing?
    I think I'll wait a bit before making a new Mrimg update just to make sure.

    Thoughts/Suggestions?
    Robert


    I can't think of much, other than making sure your personal files are safe.

    The Windows update is likely to be the MRT monthly scan.
    It does a quick scan of the Windows folder, using signature
    definitions for the fifty most popular pieces of malware.

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 11:44:35 2021
    Things seems to be OK and I've already started updating
    all the folders I saved. Let's hope this takes care of it but
    that was sure strange.

    Thankfully we had the Mrimgs/external HD in place that you
    helped me set-up. I'll let you know if anything happens.

    Thanks,
    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 13:48:51 2021
    I forgot to mention I had the Adobe Flash player
    uninstall pop-up again.

    https://postimg.cc/nXm0ghvH

    The only reason I don't uninstall it is because
    I think some of my software uses it like Dell Imaging
    but I don't know for sure. Is there a way to find out?
    However do you recommend un-installing it? I get this
    pop-up every so often and I just close it.

    Thoughts/suggestions?
    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 13:17:57 2021
    I also made a System Restore point noting
    the Mrmg (10-2-21) used and that all good.

    Thanks again,
    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Mon Nov 1 22:31:19 2021
    On 11/1/2021 4:48 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
    I forgot to mention I had the Adobe Flash player
    uninstall pop-up again.

    https://postimg.cc/nXm0ghvH

    The only reason I don't uninstall it is because
    I think some of my software uses it like Dell Imaging
    but I don't know for sure. Is there a way to find out?
    However do you recommend un-installing it? I get this
    pop-up every so often and I just close it.

    Thoughts/suggestions?
    Robert


    You know more about this than I do.

    I thought the Flash thing was supposed to stop
    functioning. Which is a quick way to discover whether
    an application was really using it or not.

    At least for web browsers with Flash, the web browsers
    received updates to make them treat the Flash plugin
    with "mis-trust". It would be disabled, unless the
    user clicked something to enable it again, so the
    situation was controlled from the corporate end of
    the ecosystem.

    If you have an application that hasn't received updates
    for ten years, maybe Flash still works there. But really,
    given how the various companies treated it, they used
    every opportunity possible to kick it to the curb.
    That is probably why that notification keeps popping up.

    *******

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash

    "In July 2017, Adobe deprecated Flash, and announced its End-Of-Life
    (EOL) at the end of 2020, and will cease support, distribution, and
    security updates for Flash Player.[1]

    With Flash's EOL announced, many browsers took steps to gradually
    restrict Flash content (caution users before launching it, eventually
    blocking all content without an option to play it).

    By January 2021, all major browsers were blocking all Flash content
    unconditionally. Only IE11, niche browser forks, and some browsers built
    for China plan to continue support. Furthermore, excluding the China
    variant of Flash, Flash execution software has a built-in kill switch
    which prevents it from playing Flash after January 12, 2021.[65]

    In January 2021, Microsoft released an optional update KB4577586 which
    removes Flash Player from Windows; in July 2021 this update was pushed
    out as a security update and applied automatically to all remaining
    systems.[66]
    "

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 22:30:46 2021
    It may well have stopped functioning. I just uninstalled it.

    Thanks,
    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 3 06:28:14 2021
    Since we just restored the 8500 I thought you should see this:

    https://postimg.cc/qtDH1c1j

    I found it while doing a malwarebytes scan. I quarantined it and
    ran the scan again which came up clean.

    Robert

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Robert in CA on Wed Nov 3 09:46:38 2021
    On 11/3/2021 9:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
    Since we just restored the 8500 I thought you should see this:

    https://postimg.cc/qtDH1c1j

    I found it while doing a malwarebytes scan. I quarantined it and
    ran the scan again which came up clean.

    Robert


    Here is a description of what it was.

    https://blog.malwarebytes.com/detections/pup-optional-bytefence/

    Paul

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 3 08:51:40 2021
    From the description it says its usually caused by bundlers
    but I haven't downloaded anything except the updates.

    In any case, I've already done the recommended procedure.

    Always best to make sure,

    Thanks,
    Robert

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  • From Robert in CA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 22:55:58 2021
    I just wanted to make a final note.

    So far the speaker icon has remained and
    I've added all the saved files so I'm back up
    to speed. Both computers are running well.

    I made a Mrimg backup later that day because
    all seemed good.

    Thanks again,
    Robert

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