• Does anyone know if the OE6 sourcecode is available somewhere ?

    From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 16 18:41:44 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Hello all,

    I'm trying to make some sense of some disassembled msimn.exe code (created using FreeIda) and could do with some cross-referencing it with the actual
    OE6 sourcecode.

    Does anyone know if and where I can get my hands on such sourcecode ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Sat Oct 16 13:21:20 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote:

    I'm trying to make some sense of some disassembled msimn.exe code (created using FreeIda) and could do with some cross-referencing it with the actual OE6 sourcecode.

    Does anyone know if and where I can get my hands on such sourcecode ?

    Still a properietary product owned by Microsoft regardless of anyone's
    wish otherwise regarding a discontinued product. Abandoned or
    discontinued does not mean unowned.

    Couldn't find a copy of OE6's license, but I found one for OE5 at:

    http://www.cs.uah.edu/~delugach/Courses/H399-01/EULA.htm
    "You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE
    PRODUCT, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation."

    The license does not expire. However, if you bought the product then
    Microsoft should've provided a dump of their source code repository.
    IMN aka OE was acquired by MS from another company, just like for
    Outlook. You could try to buy OE from Microsoft.

    If you are trying to code an add-in (they were called add-ins instead of add-ons) for OE, Microsoft used to have a spec on the extension
    interface, but yanked it away. However, they didn't remove the
    extension interface, so add-ins, like OE-QuoteFix, continued to work.

    Just to check that you understand, OE did not come bundled with Windows.
    It first came bundled with IE version 3 (as Microsoft Internet Mail and
    News hence why its executable's name remained msimn.exe) up until
    version 6. For IE7, and later, OE was no longer bundled with IE, and
    why there were later versions of IE, but OE halted at version 6.

    There are some OE newsgroups, like:
    microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general, microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress, and microsoft.public.inetexplorer.(ie5.|ie6_))outlookexpress
    but they have little, or no, traffic. I don't inhabit the Microsoft
    Answers forums to know if their is an active forum for OE over there.

    Although much of the information is outdated, Tom Koch runs the Inside
    Outlook Express web site (https://insideoe.com/). He hasn't been an OE
    MVP since 2005. However, https://insideoe.com/contact.htm says to use
    the newsgroups.

    I recall someone saying they had yanked the OE extension documentation
    before Microsoft yanked it away, but that would've been 13 years ago, or
    more, I had no interest in writing an OE extension, so I don't remember
    who said they had the documentation.

    As for getting the source code for OE itself, I've never heard that has
    been available. Some companies will sell you a license to rebrand their product, and perhaps give you the source code. OE Classic tried to be
    an OE replacement (but I remember it having problems). You could
    contact them to see if they're willing to let you be a product partner. However, Thunderbird is open source, so mutating it wouldn't cost you.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 16 21:59:17 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Vanguard,

    If you are trying to code an add-in (they were called add-ins instead of add-ons) for OE, Microsoft used to have a spec on the extension
    interface, but yanked it away.

    That would perhaps be another way to "do things" with OE. Thanks for the
    info.

    There are some OE newsgroups, like:
    ...
    but they have little, or no, traffic.

    Indeed. Hence my crossposting here.

    Although much of the information is outdated, Tom Koch runs the Inside Outlook Express web site

    I took a quick peek, but alas, all of it looks to be "high level" stuff - nothing about how OE6 internally works.

    As for getting the source code for OE itself, I've never heard that has
    been available.

    Neither have I. But someone else might have heard about it.

    Some companies will sell you a license to rebrand their
    product, and perhaps give you the source code.

    Alas, such rebranders are normally just wrappers around the part I'm looking for information about (msimn.exe).

    OE Classic tried to be an OE replacement (but I remember it having
    problems).

    :-) The last info I got is that OE classic doesn't support writing a new / replying to a newsgroup message. And handling newsgroups is the part I'm after.

    You could contact them to see if they're willing to let you be a product partner.

    I'm not looking for a replacement program. I'm really just looking for the OE6 source-code - so I can cross-reference with it.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.
    In Europe shrink-wrap EULAs have no legal standing. Also, the "You may not reverse engineer" stipulation is limited in our laws, especially when its
    done on an abandoned or discontinued product, and even nullified when its
    done by a person for his own benefit.

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 12:34:19 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Op 16-10-2021 om 21:59 schreef R.Wieser:
    Vanguard,

    If you are trying to code an add-in (they were called add-ins instead of
    add-ons) for OE, Microsoft used to have a spec on the extension
    interface, but yanked it away.

    That would perhaps be another way to "do things" with OE. Thanks for the info.

    There are some OE newsgroups, like:
    ...
    but they have little, or no, traffic.

    Indeed. Hence my crossposting here.

    Although much of the information is outdated, Tom Koch runs the Inside
    Outlook Express web site

    I took a quick peek, but alas, all of it looks to be "high level" stuff - nothing about how OE6 internally works.

    As for getting the source code for OE itself, I've never heard that has
    been available.

    Neither have I. But someone else might have heard about it.

    Some companies will sell you a license to rebrand their
    product, and perhaps give you the source code.

    Alas, such rebranders are normally just wrappers around the part I'm looking for information about (msimn.exe).

    OE Classic tried to be an OE replacement (but I remember it having
    problems).

    :-) The last info I got is that OE classic doesn't support writing a new / replying to a newsgroup message. And handling newsgroups is the part I'm after.

    You could contact them to see if they're willing to let you be a product
    partner.

    I'm not looking for a replacement program. I'm really just looking for the OE6 source-code - so I can cross-reference with it.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.
    In Europe shrink-wrap EULAs have no legal standing. Also, the "You may not reverse engineer" stipulation is limited in our laws, especially when its done on an abandoned or discontinued product, and even nullified when its done by a person for his own benefit.





    If you speak German, you can ask in:
    de.comm.software.outlook-express

    Maybe you get an answer there....

    Rink

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 12:48:04 2021
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Rink,

    If you speak German, you can ask in:
    de.comm.software.outlook-express

    Alas, although I can understand/read (most of it) well enough, I'm not in
    any way confident I can write even three words without making a grammar mistake. :-\

    Thanks for the suggestion though.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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