Paul I need to ask you a couple of questions.
Thanks,
Robert
The 8500 hung up again with loud buzzing.
I pressed the start button a couple of times and
it took forever to respond. It finally came back
up but it didn't seem right so I restarted it but it
just hung there and I was forced to power it off/on.
I selected normal startup and came back up with no
issues.
I had only 3 windows open in FF when it hung up. I
also I detected this maleware .
https://postimg.cc/mzFJ78V1
Isn't version 3.1 the update to FF ? That's the only
thing I've downloaded.
I would really like your assistance to put my bookmarks
and data on the 780 while we still can.
Thanks,
Robert
I ran mrimg backups in both the 780 and the 8500.
So how do I go about transferring my bookmarks
and data from the 8500 to the 780?
Once finished I'll order the 6TB external hd and
case. I'd appreciate it if you could help me set it
up.
Thanks,
Robert
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The 8500 seems normaI at present with no issues.
I'm running another mrimg since the Iast one had
the maIeware on it. Do you think it's the RAMM that
was overIoaded? I'II teII you that buzzing sound
was unnerving.
I used Avast to remove the maIeware fiIe :
C:\Users\RB\Downloads\App_version 3.1.msi
FF is up to date, I'm running version 115.3.1esr (64 bit)
I wasn't auto-updating so I haven't seen any notifications.
I ran through the bookmark tab to find aII the functions
as you describe.
I'm not sure I understand the process I'm suppose to do?
Am I Exporting to htm and do I put it on a USB key then
import it to the 780?
It appears I'm copy/pasting the bookmarkbackups and
My Documents using the mrimg to the 780, correct?
Thanks,
Robert
I tried extracting again:
https://postimg.cc/HJxwXqwv
I must be doing something wrong.
Robert
I tried navigating to the folder to extract the zip file but I don't
know how to proceed? What am I suppose to do with this ISO file?
I thought it would download a memory test program to test the memory?
https://postimg.cc/yDSkrFv5
https://postimg.cc/grJcTV0D
Thanks,
Robert
I'll also need another 6TB HD and case.
https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
Usually we make the hd drives bootable but if I
remember correctly I just created a folder for
the 8500 mrimgs and nothing else on the 6TB
external hd. So I think I should do the same for
the 780 but with no OS how is that possible?
I can't remember how we set up the 6TB hd.
Robert
I successfully exported my bookmarks to the 780.
I went into bookmarks>manage bookmarks>import and backup>export bookmarks to HTML
then on the 780 I went to bookmarks>manage bookmarks> import and backup> import bookmarks from HTML
It all seems to be there.
Wasn't there some other file you wanted me to move over? Oh the data file, what was that called? and where? Then I can mount the external hd and move
my entire My Documents with copy/paste correct? or is there another method you
recommend?
Thanks,
Robert
I already moved my email over to the 780 so it's OK.
We can make the 6TB bootable and maybe that's what
we did last time for the other 6TB?
I ran a Memtest on the 780 with 1 pass, no errors.
I also attached the 6TB external hd with the 8500 mrimgs
to the 780 and tried to change the drive letter.
https://postimg.cc/rdcy38rZ
https://postimg.cc/647Bnqkq
What am I doing wrong?
Even though I successfully exportd the bookmarks to the 780
I'm still not following what your saying here. I don't see these
files.
"Bookmarks, Downloads and Browsing History
places.sqlite
This file contains all your Firefox bookmarks and lists of files you have downloaded
and of websites you have previously visited. For more information, see Bookmarks in Firefox.
favicons.sqlite
This file stores website favicon images. It's best to also include this file when
recovering the places.sqlite file.
also this:
"Data", would be your Downloads folder, where ever you
placed your Bookmarks file, and perhaps if you wanted,
the profile for Firefox. Your email tool might have a
profile folder as well.
So your saying I should copy/paste my Downloads folder
to the 780? How could I place my 8500 profile on the 780
and what would be the advantages of doing that?
Thanks,
Robert
After thinking about it we must have made the 6TB hd a bootable drive because that's
what you would of recommended and what we have been doing all along. I just forgot the procedure for cloning it but the procedure has changed some and is very
automatic now with only a few steps for mrimg backups so I assume cloning has also
changed. I remember I have to put it inside the 780 and let it boot.
I don't have any favorite tools per se except the Dell Image Expert 2000,Word, Excel
and of course all the antivirus and maleware e.g., Avast, SuperAntiSpware, Malewarebytes, Spywareblaster but I worry about having up to date downloads for them. You know my history. Maybe you should review my links for each to see
if they are OK.
Avast- https://www.avast.com/installation-files#pc
Avast removal - https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility#pc
Malewarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
SuperAntispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
SpywareBlaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
They are already installed on the 780 except Word and Excel. I have the original CD's
that came with the 8200 but apparently I could only use it (3) times which I've done
because they won't load on the 780. I really need Word and Excel on the 780 if I ever
loose the 8500. Is there some way of doing it?
Robert
I forgot,
HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to download?)
AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/
Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0
Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/
GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download
I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?
Thanks,
Robert
I meant I was able to install Word and Excel on the 780
of course.
Now all I need is to get the mrimg to work so I can move
'My Documents' to the 780. I have allot of data in there
including my Excel files. That's where I store everything.
When I try right clicking the mrimg drive or Mrimg itself it
doesn't give me the Explore option as in your instructions
it gives me Open. So I can't change the drive letter to K:
What am I doing wrong?
I was denied access.
Thoughts/suggestions,
Robert
I don't understand, I was in the Administrator Account
trying to access the User Account and it still denied me.
Could the problem be sharing? It says not shared.
https://postimg.cc/0KJQB0Kv
Robert
I've successfully transferred My Documents and the bookmarks
to the 780 with your good help but I still need to unmount K:
and L: drives from the 6TB external hd.
It's weird that the drop down box didn't have the 'Browse for image
or backup file to restore' option. However I found it lower on the screen
in a box on the right and that's how I gained access. but the K: and L: drives are still unmounted and I need to use another letter to dismount
them. I'll give it another try but so far it's not giving me the Macrium option when I right click the drives?
I'll try again and let you know how it goes.
Are there any other tests you want me to do with regard to the
humming from the 8500? It hasn't happened since but I was
just wondering.
I'll order the 6TB hd and case Wed and should be here in a week
or so.
Thanks,
Robert
I got the 780 out of the not responding state then
I tried dismounting the K: drive by right clicking but
when I do it says Open, Properties, Refresh
What's going on ? Why did mine change? I did all this
before and it was OK?
I successfully transferred 'My Documents' but they went
to the Administrator's Account so I'm copy/pasting it again
to the User Account. 3 hrs 30 mins,.. that's the same amount
of time it takes for the mrimgs for the 8500.
Should I try browsing again to see if I can dismount the K:
and L: drives? It's weird it doesn't say Macrium when I right click
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I tried it again and again it didn't give me the option
but I see it in the middle of the page where the arrow is.
That's what I clicked on but when I got to the point of
changing drives to unmount K: and L: they were there !?
How could they be there if I didn't unmount them previously?
https://postimg.cc/5XGgfwbX
https://postimg.cc/JDQjHJVc
Also when I brought over 'My Documents this popped up
but I just closed it.
https://postimg.cc/KkQg82B0
Robert
I tried again with another Rescue CD but it gave me
the same thing.
https://postimg.cc/NL1jP09m
Why and how did it change? The first time I did it it
had the browse for image as you describe and all
went well but now it's gone?
I do see it in another part of the screen, center of the
page and another lower right but we can't use either?
So how do I fix this?
Thanks
Robert
There's also another problem per se on the 8500.
Sometimes it seems to lag loading programs. Like
a YouTube video. Sometimes it takes forever to
load a page and I'll have to reload it to get it to go.
Other times I get this page:
https://postimg.cc/SnGpBYdB
Sometimes this is probably caused by me leaving the
computer sitting for too long while I take a break but
once going it shouldn't have these problems should it?
Robert
I was using the Rescue CD to do this so I tried it
by just opening Macrium and there was the prompt.
This is how I must of done it before but for some
reason I started using the Rescue CD which changed it.
However the K: and L: were there? How could they
be there if I didn't un-mount them?
https://postimg.cc/w1yPwMmS
https://postimg.cc/DSXjqDVh
https://postimg.cc/Cdxcvdym
https://postimg.cc/kVCcWgFN
Robert
So if I want to copy/paste a file from the mrimgs
I do not use the Rescue CD. I use it only to create
clone, and restore, correct?
I ordered the 6TB hd and case and should be
here in a week or so.
Once I get the 6TB hd I clone it and then put it
inside the 780 to boot. Making it a boot-able hd,
correct?
By nodes do you mean the actual address of
interested sites e.g. www.example.com?
In passing, I noticed I have a Apple Software
Update on the 780 which I don't have on the
8500. There's also SequoiaView which if I
remember correctly you used it to find that
huge program that was eating up GB's when
the 780 should of been like 50GB it was like
350GB.
Should I remove these programs?
I got this screen again and I had just logged on.
https://postimg.cc/pmzZpCXy
Robert
nslookup righteouswarriors.com
ping 208.180.89.69
I removed the Apple programs from the 780 but kept
SequoiaView. You never know, I may need it again.
Hopefully, we can get the 6TB hd up and running before
Nov 1 for the mrimgs.
Robert
I have my 6 TB hd and now just waiting for the case.
Then I'll try cloning it.
Here's your instructions for cloning but as I say
they have automated the mrimg backups allot so I
think it may be the same with cloning.
https://postimg.cc/ft67JpfL
<some snipped for brevity>
https://postimg.cc/yDqzKygy
I typed somesite.com and this is what it showed:
https://postimg.cc/SXPKWz1T
It's interesting you looked up Righteous Warriors,
It was started by someone I use to know and I was
surprised it still was up. I tried contacting him but
never got a reply.
I barely am understanding you with the IPV4 and
IPV6 addresses. I'm trying to follow along.
Is there anything you want me to do? Run any
tests?
Thanks,
Robert
I have the set of instructions for cloning
when you initially gave them to me.
I accidentally clicked on the Syslinux
download on the 8500 but deleted it
afterwards.
I don't understand, we never went through
all of this with the other 6TB hd as I remember.
Maybe we didn't make it boot-able? They weren't
meant to be after all they are external drives.
Let me ask a question. As it is now, once I
get the case for it could I create a folder on
the 6TB hd for mrimgs without a OS? If
so, I think that's what I did with the other 6TB
because that's actually all I see on my other 6TB
hd. Just a folder that says 8500 mrimgs, nothing
else.
Here's the pics, I hope I did it right:
https://postimg.cc/PpDx6pj2
I typed run : diskmgmt.msc
https://postimg.cc/87Cz2nGF
https://postimg.cc/YjkGXRvF
Robert
And absolutely, if you want to make the 6TB into a single Data partition
6TB long, you can do that. Windows 7 supports GPT disks with 6TB partitions, no problem, as a place for the output from backup software.
I tried again and did diskmgmt.msc on the 780
to verify that the 780 could see the un-allocated
partition before I attempted to clone it.
https://postimg.cc/7CYScH0G
However, it did the same as before and did not see
it. How can I clone it if it doesn't see it? How did we
set up the other 6TB hd? I must be doing something
wrong.
https://postimg.cc/njMFN53G
https://postimg.cc/PNgXFSY1
https://postimg.cc/jLYThLYX
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Would it be possible to add RAMM to the 780?
Are the black slots at the top for RAMM ?
https://postimg.cc/gXBCMmbF
If so how much would they cost and what kind?
I would have to wait till the end of the month to do
this.
What do you think?
Robert
What did you mean by building new media?155075802957_20717494264&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=678789797442&wl4=pla-2234362938896&wl5=1014127&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113945645&wl11=online&wl12=22394341_5787&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjw7oeqBhBwEiwALyHLM5UDHynxvin3w7Lej-cSne9YcqQm_08Ajn_Z-UHatjfbr_
I thought maybe we could upgrade the 780 from 2.0 USB ports (black)
to 3.0 USB ports (Blue) but it doesn't seem like I would be able
because on the front with the USB ports it also has plug- ins for mic and headphones although I don't use either. Similar to this configuration:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Restored-Dell-780-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-2-Duo-Processor-4GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included-Refurbished/22394341?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=5787&adid=2222222222722394341_5787_
Here's a shot inside the 780
https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
We've moved the bookmarks and 'My Documents'
to the 780 and installed Word and Excel, and created
a simple volume of the 6TB external HD so it's now
functional, all with your good help.
I'm not forgetting your elegant solution for the start
switch for the 8500 with no soldering! I hid the switch
behind a faux optical drive panel so it keeps it clean and
out of sight. Now it starts all the time.
Before we may get cut off, I want to say thank you for
all you've done. You've helped me allot over the years
and built my entire backup system and helped me select
the 780.
What do you think about upgrading the 780 RAMM and
USB ports from 2:0 to 3.0? Is it possible?
What do you recommend I do at this point?
Many Thanks for all your good help,
Robert
I went and ordered the PCI card and RAM
so that would give me 12GB of RAM in the
780. The same as the 8500.
Robert
You would use the PCI Express black slot at the bottom of the Optiplex 780
Are you talking about the card where the fan is?
I thought that was my video card? I seem to remember you selected that card for me.
I don't use any ipads or iphones,.. in fact my phone is the old fashion landline type.
I don't really have any projects in mind I just thinking of upgrading if you think
it would help or because I may not be able to later on because of scarcity of available
parts but as you say I won't see any real improvement. I always thought more RAMM
made browsing faster?
It is sad all of our jobs and manufacturing has been off-shored to China
and elsewhere and they've been stealing our intellectual property for decades.
What's even more shocking is we let them get away with it. We built China's military complex.
So should I just stay with just what I have on the 780? and not mess with it? It sounds like I shouldn't and should leave well enough alone. I don't want to be
messing around with the 780 Bios for 3.0.
The mrimg backups for the 8500 usually take about 3 1/2 hours because I have so
much data in My Documents.
One last problem, I have a 8GB Sandisk with a folder I want to cut/paste to get the
files off so I can re-use the disk but it doesn't let me where before it had? All it lets
me do now is copy/paste. So how can I delete the folder? I have a 32 GB Sandisk that
I can cut/paste with no problem.
Thanks,
Robert
I also wanted to let you know that recently
whenever I post a message I get a pop-up asking
if I'm a robot? So maybe I am being flagged
and that's why you can't see my posts?
https://postimg.cc/1gXB6MGk
This never happened before when I posted.
Robert
To be honest, I didn't think about the configuration when I ordered
the RAM from your link you gave. I just assumed everything
would be OK and there's only 2 PCI slots for RAM that I can use.
These are what I ordered:
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820156050
Here's my 780 specs:
https://postimg.cc/XZz4JJgf
inside the 780
https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC
Robert
Should I defrag the computer using system tools? I
haven't done it in quite awhile
I would appreciate it if you could briefly take a look
at the folders/files on my Patriot sticks to see if I
should keep any or delete them?
# 1 Patriot
seems to be my bookmarks and an ISO for creating Rescue CD's (2022)
https://postimg.cc/ykYkGwHD
#2 Patriot
780 Rescue Disk - another ISO, Autoruns., Boot, Drivers, EFI -
has the same boot screens as in Boot folder, (mrimg, backup, clone) are
your instructions you gave me previously. SequioaView, Sources - boot-wim, Autoruns, misc files,..
https://postimg.cc/k6m5vHsX
Inside Boot folder
https://postimg.cc/v4ZfW4BS
#3 Patriot
Agent Ransack and misc files, most seem related to SequioaView
https://postimg.cc/CZV03qqc
Also I can't seem to find my instructions for creating Rescue CD's.
Could you please provide them again for me? Also how do I create
a Rescue CD from an ISO?
Thanks,
Robert
Not my USB stick , my Sandisk 8GB SD card. Maybe I activated
some sort of read-only protection on the digital camera by accident?
I asked Google how to cut/paste on the right only Sandisk and this
is what it gave:
Disable write protection using command line (CMD)
1. Connect your write protected SD card to your computer.
2. Right Click on Start.- (right clicking only opens properties and Windows Explorer)
3. Type diskpart and hit Enter.
4. Type list disk and hit Enter. …
5. Type select disk . …
6. Type attributes disk clear readonly and press Enter.
Should I try this?
So is that the reason why you're not seeing my posts? Because of the Google groups spamming problem or is it more of a control problem like they had at Twitter and probably Facebook and the rest?
I'll install the PCI card and RAM when it arrives but I was asking since the 780
has no slots for SD cards could we provide one? or as an alternative do they make
adapters that plug into the USB ports with different sizes of slots for SD cards to
plug into?
Thanks,
Robert
p.s. where do I get the ISO file to create a Rescue CD?
and then the procedure to create one?
Thanks,
Robert
I thought I lost you ! whew!
I haven't got the RAM yet but I have the PCI 3.0 card
and will install both when I get the RAM. I thought it
would be here by now.
So the white slots are for the RAM? OK, got it.
Yes, I noticed the slot in the RAM when I bought it
and on the white slots. so it should be easy What are
the two large black slots at the top for? and just out of
curiosity what are the blue and red things on the right
side?
Inside 780:
https://postimg.cc/XXVDW6sz
I'll un-plug the 780 and remove all the connections
before I open it. I do have a strap, again thanks to you.
I'll run a memtest CD after I power it back up.
I think I'll skip the SD read only disk problem,.... I have enough
on my plate. I'll just buy another SD disk and I have others that
work fine.
It's true the 780 doesn't have a card reader on the front
but there are two empty face plates, one is normal size but
the other one is smaller. However, I like the card reader you picked
with the USB connection. So I'll get the Startech.
I deleted all the files off the Patriot #3 USB stick so it's all clean
I de-fragged both computers and the8500 seems quicker but there's
still a lag problem at times. Should I also do Disk-Clean-up and use
the defaults?
Most importantly, I still need your instructions on how to create
Rescue CD's and how to create Rescue CD from an ISO and how
to burn CD's on image burn. I really need these.
I think you already answered how to burn a CD from an ISO file
by right click it. but I don't seem to have instructions on how to
create a Rescue CD.
Hopefully, the RAM will arrive today and will let you know how it
goes after I install it and run the memtest CD.
Many Thanks,
Robert
OK, I followed the steps up to selecting PE10
but if I understand you correctly you want me
to do this after I install the PCI 3.0 card, correct?
Correct me if I'm wrong but is PE10 a ISO that
you want me to use on a 2.0 port to see if it boots
the 780 to check and verify the 3.0 port is working?
My question is will this make the previous Rescue
CD's obsolete because of the new drivers added by
doing this?
Robert
I'm confused as far as step 1,2,3 I open create Rescue media and then?
Do I select Advanced options then PE10, then OK, then build?
I'm not fully understanding putting Macrium on the Patriot USB stick?
How do I do it? Do you mean put the ISO file on the stick? It sounds if
I do this it will make all my other Rescue CD's useless. This is just for
the 780 right to verify that the 3.0 is working ?
I have a blank USB key I can use.
btw I had that Win 11 pop-up again. I forget while I was doing. I
just closed it again.
Robert
I was following you about putting Macrium (WinPE 10)
on the Patriot Drive but you lost me on how were going to
convince the 780 to boot from it?
Also should I do the same to the 8500 and be using
WinPE10? If so, then it would make all my current Rescue
CD's obsolete. That's what you meant about creating new
media, new Rescue CD's from the ISO.
Yes, I will try and create a Macrium media after the USB3
card is installed in the 780 and we can go from there. I'll keep
you posted and let you know how everything goes of course.
I think I do have a 2022 version of Macrium on one of the
Patriot keys. That's why I wanted you to look at them but
that isn't WinPE10. It seems to me that I'm going to have to
make a whole new batch of Rescue CD's for both computers
so they are both WinPE10.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Here's a summary of upcoming procedures when the RAM arrives;
1. install RAM and PCI card with mini disk
2. run memtest CD
3. create macrium media (WinPE 10) - use 2.0 port to boot from
how will 780 see it?
4. create Rescue CD's from ISO - procedure?
This has nothing to do with the computers per se but was weird,
I have a Sony DSC-TX20 camera but when I tried to use it,
it says the SD card is locked but it's not locked. I tried another
SD card and it said the same thing but when I tried it in another
camera it was ok? I don't get it? It was fine yesterday.
What's weird is that when I put the read only SD card in it, it
worked fine although I still can't can't/paste to delete the folder/files
but then when I put the non- working SD card back in the camera it
worked as usual as if nothing happened! Talk about off the wall.
I picked up (2) more 32 GB Lexar SD cards as extra's at Staples today
they didn't have Sandisk's.
Robert
After I ran SuperAntiSyware scan the Explorer 11 popped up
up again.
https://postimg.cc/CRCn3jMX
https://postimg.cc/CdH1LFpn
I tried posting this on the 780 but it just hung there after I clicked
I'm not a robot but it didn't have a OK box and I tried several times
with the same result. So I ended up having to take pics and post this
on the 8500 instead.
Isn't there some way of stopping this? As I said, I have (2) bootable
hd's with Win 10 so I don't need or want this. I prefer Win 7 Pro.
Robert
I believe we did add a video card because
you selected the card with the fan on it and
I remember installing it.
We don't have to worry about Win 11 pop-up
I have (2) spare bootable Win 10 hd's that we
made when they still offered the free upgrade
and you advised I do it so I did for both computers.
You lost me, you said when I use the macrium cd
and do a bare metal restore. I thought by using macrium
were not metal to metal?
I still do not understand how I am going to boot from
the USB once the build for PE10 is finished?
If I understand you correctly I plug the external
hd in the 3.0 port for backups and the USB with
the PE10 in the 2.0 port and then ?
So I should make new Rescue CD's (PE10) for both
computers so they are both compatible. It seems so.
Robert
I have bootable replacement hd's with Win 7
and with Win 10 for both computers that you
helped me to set up. remember?
All I do now is use the Rescue CD for mrimg
backups.
Ok,, so press F2 to change the boot order and
F12 if I need to manually select it. I actually have
to do this on the 8500 because for some reason
it doesn't see the CD. I believe we tried to change
the boot order but it won't let us.
The 780 cannot see the 3.0 port because it's data only,
correct and the 2.0 port is for booting (USB)
I put the Macrium USB stick into the 780 and restarted
it and pressed F12 (it took forever!) but it didn't read it.
Here's pic's of the Patriot before, completed and after
I tried it. There's nothing on it. How can that be?
https://postimg.cc/wRtqZLqs - before
https://postimg.cc/5YXW2JZh - PE10 completed
https://postimg.cc/B8wRyyXM - after, nothing on Patriot
During the process it gave me the option of running tests
so I did. I'll send you pics when it's done.
Robert
I do not even want to try and click anything on IE11. I
don't want to go down that road and you know my history
better than anyone. Knowing my luck it would start IE11
and screw everything up.
It's easier to just close it but what I am to do then? So far
FF is OK but your saying at some point it may not be?
In passing I thought I would let you know I presently use
the USB 2.0 port on the 780 for my external hd but I guess
you assumed that.
It's when I add the 3.0 port that it changes,
Robert
I keep forgetting things to tell you,. but when working in Word I've
noticed recently that I also get a GDI window with the Word icon
as if two windows are open. Why is that happening? Same thing
as IE11?
This isn't where it normal is of course.
https://postimg.cc/hzP3XKwD
Robert
I just tried to send a test message with the 780
and it still will not post it. after checking I'm not
a robot it just hung there and the OK box did not
appear.
So what am I to do if I need to post from the 780?
Robert
After I made the PE120 Rescue CD I tried
the Patriot again but it says missing operating
system.
https://postimg.cc/w3NkZg6t
https://postimg.cc/zL3Cj1tG
https://postimg.cc/WdYrtHNL
https://postimg.cc/4KhKy42V
Robert
So are you saying next time the IE11 pops up to disconnect
the internet enable and then select the defaults for IE11 and
then what? I would need your step by step instructions to do
that. Do you recommend I do this? Of course, I always have
the mrimgs to restore it but I would hate to screw up the 8500
when its working OK and the 780 can't post to Google Groups
so I would be left in the dark on my own.
I would rather not mess with the booting order, that isn't the problem.
The problems as I see them are
1. the 780 can't post to Google groups
2. the Patriot completes the WinPE10 download successfully but
it won't boot macrium when I select USB device. It says it's missing operating sys. and I checked that it was active before I started.
3. install RAM and PCI card and run mini disk
4. run memtest 86
The only thing about using the F12 on the 780 it takes for ever,.. on
the 8500 it doesn't take much at all. So I much prefer using the Rescue
CD's than the Patriot.
So if the BIOS doesn't know about the PCI card does that mean my
previous mrimgs will still work? even with a different PE? I wouldn't
think so.
I found the FF folder in Programs as you describe. So it's 64 bit
I'm a bit iffy about loosing my bookmarks. I opened up the command
prompt and typed cd program files, but said it couldn't find specified files.
As I said I took a screen shot of my profile number and saved it in a folder.
Robert
I did select the Patriot icon in the background but it didn't work.
As I said I don't even wan to go down the IE11 path, even is I
disconnect the internet it's full of hazards and pitfalls and I don't
have your expertise to deal with it. I like FF but if at some point
it becomes a problem I have my Win 10 bootable HD's
https://postimg.cc/mtRLYFrD
I've said all along that I have spare Win 2 pro backup hd's but I
checked and I think I used them to create Win 10 hd's. So the one's highlighted in red are possible candidate for cloning. The WD is
a good drive but too noisy. I still may have to buy (2) new hd's for
this after were all done.
I would rather not change the boot order on the 780, it's working fine.
It's the 8500 that's messed up and we can't change it. More importantly
the 780 can't post to Google Groups.
I must be doing something wrong. Every time I type about: in the URL
it gives me the definition?
Yes, I'm using 64 bit version,
Here you lost me:
If, upon starting the new Firefox, you have no Bookmarks, don't panic.
The browser has more than one Profile folder.
In a Command Prompt window (un-elevated is fine), you could do:
c:
cd Program Files
cd Mozilla Firefox # cast a weather eye at this level, for the word "Firefox" firefox.exe -p
and that will start up the Firefox Profile Manager. It might show
its empty profile selected, whereas you want to change the selection
to whatever profile is used in the browser this moment.
I made a screen shot of the FF profile. So I have the number.
The GDI isn't always there but I just noticed it and was wondering about it. It's no big deal I just close it.
I never got to the macrium screen with the Patriot. The build completed successfully then I restarted the 780 and selected USB Device. At first it said the date and time were wrong so I corrected it in settings, then it gave me the Missing operating system.
I'm not playing around with exe files when I don't know what I'm doing. You know my history and we have enough on our plate as it is. I really don't think
it's worth our time and effort to get the patriot to work when the Rescue CD does.
It seems things are getting more complex and the about: didn't work but about:profiles does.
Thoughts, Suggestions?
Robert
I think until we get the 780 to post on Google Groups I'd rather not
mess with the 8500. We can mess with the 780 but if something
happened to the 8500 I'd loose contact. and I use the 8500 allot.
So I would really feel it's loss.
Robert
If your not seeing my previous posts then it's even
more important I don't touch the 8500 and the 780
still can't post even though FF is up to date. I believe
this part of the spam effect happening where you can't
see my previous posts so it's hit and miss now and the
780 can't post although it use to be able to.. and a.i.o.e
is down.
I'll install the RAM and the PCI card with mini disk
then I'll run a memtest86
I'll take pics and post them and hopefully you'll see them.
I still would like to create two backup Win 7 pro (2)TB hd'ds
for the 8500.
I was thinking of using one of the leftover hd's as a
storage hd not a mrimg per se where I would browse my
C: drive and cut/paste folders from the 8500 to make it
more lean but where I could still access them if needed.
That's much later,... though,..
Robert
There's no way I'm touching the 8500 unless I can post with the 780.
That was the whole purpose of the 780 in case the 8500 had problems.
That's why I bought it and I've used it several times as intended but
now it's useless as a backup computer if I can't post to Google.groups.
Yes about: should work because about:profiles does but that's what I
mean; things that should work don't. You tested it and saw for yourself.
• the 8500 should read cd's but doesn't and doesn't let us change the boot order either
• the 780 should read the Patriot after I created the PE10 but doesn't • the 780 can't post to Google.groups where before it could
• in the cmd prompt (cd) should work, and (cd program profiles) should work(without parenthesis) but they don't.
I think you showed me this before and is how I usually check if FF is up to date.
https://postimg.cc/JDYsRsLC
https://postimg.cc/BPqf7gyq
Understood, just look at all the OS's since XP ! I'm glad I got Win 7 Pro, it's been an excellent choice and the Dell computers. The spam is ruining it for everyone.
Your Mall story is exactly how I feel and I AM a boomer *L* I'm 69 years old. It's hard for me to even keep up with old technology let alone all the new stuff
and I can see AI being used for the wrong purposes. i.e. Terminator.
I did click your 115.4 0esr link and downloaded it to the 780, can't you see my post
on it with pics?
I have done the about:profiles and took a screen shot of the root values.
It seems your not seeing the previous posts for some reason. I did all of this.
Here's a pic of the 780 showing FF is up to date:
https://postimg.cc/sB8Q5BMf
I tried posting and again it failed.
I don't know what you mean by having backups to my profile? I made a folder for it and put it My Documents under computer.
You kind of lost me on the FF folder and using it with ESR on the 780?
Are you saying to open the Mozilla Firefox folder and click the Firefox.exe on the 780?
The 780 is up to date. Again, it seems your not seeing all my previous posts.
Robert
I tried the mrimg again but this time it didn't give me the browse option:
https://postimg.cc/47P5YH6k
however I managed to navigate to the mrimgs and change the drive letter to K: but it didn't give me the screen to enable access to restricted folders yet I was able to access them and copy/pasted 'My Documents' from the K drive
to the C: drive.
You know how it opens a dialog box and shows the files being transferred
from one folder to the next? It did that at first but now the 'files' are frozen
between folders and there's no apparent transfer happening. Also when the transfer completes it should close or tell me something, correct? I'm afraid to do anything since I've gotten this far with it but it seems like it's not responding.
It just says, File operation in progress, please wait but there's no movement.
It's been like this for about an hour now. What should I do?
Thoughts, suggestions?
Robert
OK, so I wait till I see the next pop-up for IE-11? Is it
a certainty that I'll loose my bookmarks? and MSN will
be my home page?
Lets say IE-11 pops up again, I then disconnect the
Internet connection, then select the defaults, the just
let it run ? If it makes MSN my home page I can type
FF then about:blank for my home page couldn't I?
I did a search for profiles.ini and it showed nothing.
https://postimg.cc/Jym95jJW
Here's my profile:
https://postimg.cc/gx788b79
I already have taken a screenshot and saved in a folder
in MyDocuments.
I am trying to follow your instructions but the cd and cd
program files do not work in the cmd prompt.
How do I backup my profile? Are you saying do mrimgs
first? You mean I may loose my access to sites because
my passwords won't work? Like eBay or my bank? How
do I recover from that!
The Patriot never booted, the problem isn't a progress bar
it's missing operating system.
The 780 still is unable to post where before it had.
Hopefully the RAM will arrive soon and I'll be able to install
it and the PCI card and run the mini disk that came with it.
Then I'll do a memteat86.
Robert
I just thought if I upgrade to IE11 successfully will I
get pop-ups to upgrade to Edge? Should I also do that?
Robert
In your first post it seems like an older posting
we did awhile back when I was trying to browse
the mrimgs and I was having problems. I have all
that documented on how to do it., I could never
remember*L*
I followed your instructions to the Internet Explorer
folder and file iexplore.exe.
https://postimg.cc/2bpxYsRD
Since I don't use Internet Explorer Can't I just
close it and use FF? The same way I can use
Internet Explorer now if I want? The whole
purpose of doing IE11 is to extend Win 7 but
not replace my FF.
So I would need to go into my about:profiles
and create a new profile with my old profile
number with bookmarks.
I did a Agent Ransack search of profiles.ini
https://postimg.cc/rz29PRLY
You kind of lost me on why were doing this,..
I do have a screenshot of my folder but I will
write it down, just in case.
Here's my Patriot on Admin Account because
that's the only way I can access disk management
https://postimg.cc/4nZhkz2q
what does crash dump mean? Do I have a bad hd?
I have it on both computers.
Well, if Win 7 should stop working for me I still
have my bootable Win 10 hd's,,, that we made.
Robert
Advanced>WIM = WinPE10 (WADK)>build>creating rescuemedia>successfully created> close, switch user> diskmgnt:
I'll try and remake the WinPE10 again on the Patriot and
we'll see if it works this time when I reboot. It should detect
it like a cd without changing the boot order. This time I clicked
enable multi boot (MBR/UEFI) and selected USB Flash drive
Advanced>WIM = WinPE10 (WADK)>build>creating rescuemedia>successfully created> close, switch user> diskmgnt:
https://postimg.cc/8fjJ5VJ5
It didn't work and is the same as before.
I still have my WinPE10 Rescue CD's that work. What should
I do about the Patriot? Should I reformat it or erase everything
on it or whatever? It said it was successful after the build.
How do I remove the crash dump's from the partitions? disk
cleaner in System Tools? I've already defragged both computes.
Is there anything you want me to do before we proceed and
click the iexplorer.exe?
Before doing that, I'll make a System Restore mark, write My
Profile numbers down btw which one do I use when creating
a new profile?
I'll also make mrimgs on both computers.
What else?
1.How do I make FF my homepage, then about:blank?
2.Will I still have FF or do I have to install it again?
3.what about all my anti virus and anti- maleware? Will they
stay intact?
4.You said I would loose my passwords so how do I get
those back? This is an awful lot of hassle.
I haven't used Explorer in a very long time so if
there's anything bookmarks there they would be
years old.
Here's my FF showing it's running the esr and is up to date.
https://postimg.cc/7b4vG58r
Robert
I think at this point its more important to get the 780 to post
to Google groups.
If Win7 dies on me what are the symtoms? I can always put
in the Win 10 hd's we made.
Thanks,
Robert
This is all I could find but it's made in the U.S.A.
and free shipping and cheaper. What do you think?
https://www.newegg.com/avarum-8gb/p/0RN-00UF-00212
Robert
I'm not sure what you mean by my bookmark list?
If you mean about:profiles both have them but I
haven't opened them to check what's inside.
The 780 has regular bookmarks and is fully populated
after I exported / imported bookmarks from the 8500.
Robert
The previous pic was of the 8500
here's the 780 FF.
https://postimg.cc/MMT6cg7M
What do you think of these? I'm just shooting in the dark here.
At least it shows (6) in stock so they don't have to ship them
from China
https://www.amazon.com/4GBx2-240-pin-DIMM-DDR3-PC3-12800/dp/B005NU49DG?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A2NDNAPHQ3UDKH&th=1
Can you suggest any other RAM made in the USA? After waiting
all that time for RAM only to find they couldn't deliver it then wanted additional shipping fees to re-ship it. Newegg said they would just
repeat the same mistake and get it wrong again. I don't want to
go through that again.
Thanks,
Robert
I have a problem...
I was trying to create a PE10 Rescue CD for the 8500
using an old CD-RW I had and during the process it had
to be cleaned. This time it required a download unlike the
others but it said it finished successfully, so I restarted
the computer but it never gave me the F12 prompt and
went straight to the MBR .
So how do I restore it? so it gives me my F12 prompt back?
Should I try System Restore? Would the SD card with PE10
I made for the 780 work on the 8500?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I just realized I forgot to disconnect the ethernet cable before
I clicked OK but since nothing happened, I assume I'm OK?
Robert
I had just run SuperAntispyware on the 780 and
that seems to trigger the pop-up display because
it did the same thing on the 8500 last time I ran it.
In fact, its running now on the 8500.
So here I go on the 780 and lets hope for the best.
I clicked OK but nothing happened afterward and
the dialog box closed.
https://postimg.cc/Czb5YhbF
I tried posting from the 780 afterwards but again it
failed.
Robert
Isn't there a set of CMD line instructions you can
give me to bring the 'F12 boot options' screen back?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I did my mrimg backup on the 780 with PE10.
Luckily, I had made a WinPE10 Rescue CD so I
used that. I had been using PE 5.0 for both computers.
Now the 780 has PE10 but the 8500 is still on PE 5.0
and it has 3.0 ports so could benefit from PE10.
However, until we can fix the 'F12 boot options' screen
problem I can't make a clean Rescue CD or mrimg on
the 8500 so I'm stuck. I mean I could but it would be
tainted like with a virus or malware. I only want clean
mrimgs not ones with issues.
So how do I get my F12 back? Did the F2 pics I provided
help?
If all else fails,, can a mrimg restore fix the F12 problem?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Here's my F2 pics:
https://postimg.cc/Z0yN8YXh
https://postimg.cc/p5xP5Bgr
https://postimg.cc/K1djvtvk
https://postimg.cc/vcKH35nq
https://postimg.cc/1nWZ4ZcC
https://postimg.cc/YhWJBFVy
https://postimg.cc/w1zbKGD
Are you saying there's no way to fix this?
The problem isn't timing to click wehn the F12 appears
the problem is that the F12 boot option screen is gone.
I'm use to the F12 boot options screen and it's just as you
say It's only there for a second but I don;t ever remember
seeing an F2?
However, I can still access F2 and F12 when the screen
goes black but this isn't normal. I would like to get my F12
boot options screen back if possible.
Would a mrimg restore fix the problem and bring back the
F12 screen?
Thanks,
Robert
I hope you saw my last posts but just in case here's a
repeat of the summary:
Summary:
• We transferred My Bookmarks and My Documents
to the 780 and installed Word and Excel.
• we added 8GB of Corsair RAM giving it 12GB total the
same as the 8500. I also installed a PCI card with 3.0 ports
but it didn't have any place to plug in the molex cable so I
left it as is.
• I created a WinPE10 SD-card used with the USB adapter
you helped me pick out and also a PE10 Rescue CD for the 780
• We went through IE11 on both computers
• I created a WinPE10 CD on the 8500 which caused the F12
boot options screen to disappear and the second time with a
new CD-RW it messed up my keyboard. So I'm not using
PE10 on the 8500 anymore. It doesn't like it.
• I completed a PE 5.0, V7.2.3906, 64 bit mrimg on the 8500
In your last message it appears you hadn't seen my
previous posts which included the F2 pics because you
didn't mention them so I included them again in my
reply to you.
It's just as you said it would be awhile back where
the 780 can't post anymore where it use to be able to
and even when I post on the 8500 you can't see half
my posts and maybe I'm not seeing yours? So it's very
iffy now.
I'm kind of puzzled about the 8500's stripped down
APTIO BIOS. I bought it new although it was a custom
order with the 12GB of RAM but I would have thought
they would of put a Dell BIOS in and not a generic
stripped down BIOS?
Is there anything else I should do at this point or
anything you recommend?
Is there a Windows 10 reference book that you would
recommend?
Both computers are running well and I assure you I won't
mess with the 8500 or 780 from this point. They are both
humming along nicely. I will continue to make monthly
mrimgs and hopefully no problems will pop-up but if so,
I'll try contacting you.
Many thanks,
Robert
I was a bit leery of doing this because the last time I tried it, it
screwed up the 8500 but I have new CD-RW disks so I made
a WinPE10 Rescue CD on the 8500 and it completed successfully.
However when I tried to run it afterward, I pressed F12 to select
CD and all was fine but it wouldn't let me use my up/down arrows
to select the CD player. I tried the arrows on the number pad as well
and nothing.
So I switched the keyboard with the 780 and still nothing but when
I switched my 8500 keyboard back it worked?! what the hell ??? I
don't get it? Why didn't it work before? See what I mean?
I don't want to have to go through this every time I make a mrimg.
The 8500 definitely doesn't like PE10 and this was a new CD-RW I
used but then the problem moved to the keyboard when all was fine.
I may just stick with PE5.0 on the 8500. I didn't have these problems with it.
Robert
I remember we had keyboard problems before and I
used a standard non- eronomic keyboard that came with
the 8500 I believe that got us through the problem.
Unfortunately, I don't have that keyboard anymore which
is why I bought the standard Microsoft ergonomic keyboard
and now is on the 780. I usually use Microsoft 4000
ergonomic keyboards.
My eyes have glazed over many times *L* At any rate I
was able to get it to boot Macrium but the 8500 definitely
doesn't like PE10 for whatever reason. So I'm sticking with
the PE 5.0
So the APTIO BIOS is OK,... just a another customer BIOS
that Dell uses for it's customer base.
I just tried plugging in a Patriot stick to the 3.0 port on the
780 and nothing happened. Do I have to remove the molex
cable? I wouldn't think so since it's not connected to anything.
I used PE10 on the 780 because we wanted it for the 3.0 driver
but one thing I don't like about PE10 is it takes forever to load.
I'm thinking of going back to PE 5.0 on both computers because
I didn't have any problems with it.
Robert
I'm re-posting my last message in case you didn't see it
I forgot to run the mini disk on the 780 because I thought
I needed to connect the molex for it to work. So I put the
mini-disk in and this is what it gave me:
https://postimg.cc/PpRCZ4Tr
https://postimg.cc/Hr9j3HdN
I tried the Patriot stick afterwards and still nothing.
We done everything we can for the 8500 and the 780
but I have one last question.
Can I move My bookmarks and My Documents from
Win 7 to Win 10 when and if the time comes?
I'll leave everything as is and won't touch anything and
will continue making monthly mrimgs.
Robert
I forgot to run the mini disk on the 780 because I thought
I needed to connect the molex for it to work. So I put the
mini-disk in and this is what it gave me:
https://postimg.cc/PpRCZ4Tr
https://postimg.cc/Hr9j3HdN
I tried the Patriot stick afterwards and still nothing.
Robert
I don't mean install Win 10 over Win 7, I already have Win 10
hd's we made for the 780 and 8500 when they still offered Win
10 upgrade for free. I mean can I copy/paste my bookmarks
and My Documents from Win 7 to the Win 10 hd?
Robert
I can export my bookmarks via Patriot stick but I
don't know how to import them into Win 10 and its
laid out allot different than Win 7
For My Documents I would have to use browsing
mrimgs, then copy/paste to the C: partition on Win
10 hd.
What do you think?
Also, will Macrium and my anti-virus and anti-malware
still work in Win 10? Will the mrimgs still work?
Robert
For example; this is what I was thinking,.. could I export My Bookmarks
and copy My Documents from Win 7 using a Patriot? Then switch the hd's
in the 780 and put in my Win 10 hd we made and import My Bookmarks
and paste My Documents in the Windows 10 hd?
That's how I moved them from the 8500 to the 780 but Win 10 is laid
out differently so I don't know how to navigate to bookmarks.
I assume I would paste 'My Documents' in the C: drive but I would
have to find the bookmarks menu to import them.
I searched for importing bookmarks to Win 10 but it keeps giving me
importing to Chrome. I found this though: It says that FF has a bug?
https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/205777-how-do-i-import-bookmarks-saved-logons-into-firefox-win-10-a.html
I've watched Win 10 videos but it seems confusing to me.
I don't like the tiles system at all. It seems like they made it
more difficult not easier.
Robert
I was thinking, even if I make an iso file and put it in
downloads on the Win 10 hd and then run it, it will only
update Win 10 not the bookmarks or My Documents.
Is there no way of importing bookmarks to Win10?
I still think browsing the mrimg is the only solution.
and I need macrium to do that.
Also can we continue this on the new thread I started?
O.T. - Moving bookmarks and My Documents from Win 7 hd to Win 10 hd
The posts are getting pretty long.
Thanks.
Robert
I can export my bookmarks via Patriot stick but I
don't know how to import them into Win 10 and its
laid out allot different than Win 7
For My Documents I would have to use browsing
mrimgs, then copy/paste to the C: partition on Win
10 hd.
What do you think?
Also, will Macrium and my anti-virus and anti-malware
still work in Win 10? Will the mrimgs still work?
Robert
I re-read your instructions,.. you want me to
remove my Win 7 hd and replace it with my
Win 10 hd we already created and clone over
it with a newer version of Windows 10 using
an iso. ,correct?
I watched a YouTube video on how to do it
and I can follow it as I do the 780.
Since we created the Win 10 hd's from Win 7
most of my bookmarks and My Documents
should be there but they wouldn't be up to date.
The AV programs worry me because then I'll
have to set things up again all over and Win 10
layout is so different and confusing.
I agree with you about computers getting crazy.
I saw your instructions if FF would of let me download
Thunderbird,... wow,. there's quite a few just to reply.!
Thunderbird reminds me of the instructions for using the
toilet in the space lab.
They sure don't make it easy, do they? Computers
were suppose to make things easier and it seems they
are making it harder and harder and in my case as you
well know I get problems that crop up out of no where,
like with your Ethernet connection.
Robert
I checked about:config and it's false.
https://postimg.cc/GTxLnt18
I'm not following you here. You want me to sign on
to disk management? and find the fielimport and change
it? I did log onto disk management but couldn't see anything
to enable or disable.
signon.management.page.fileImport.enabled True # Do importations, then return to Defaults
# Double-clicking a Boolean preference, flips the value
# to the other state.
I have been able to export my bookmarks from the 780
to a Patriot with no problem.
It sounds like it's getting worst and worst, even if I do
switch to Win 10 from what you say they've stopped
upgrading that as well. Does that mean my screens will
someday just go black and not function ?
Are you saying the only way to preserve my bookmarks is
to install Win 10 over my Win 7hd ? Then I would loose Win
7 forever. I'm confused right now as to what you want to do?
So my Win 10 hd's we created when it was still a free upgrade
are obsolete and useless?
I can't remember which file I used to download programs that's
why I wanted you to review them.
Yes I saw the warning which explains why the 780 couldn't post
anymore and makes whatever we decide to do more urgent.
I tried using Thunderbird before but it didn't work. Still, I clicked
your link but it said file not downloaded potential security risk in red.
Robert
I finally figured out how to get out of email,... whew. operator error *L*
https://postimg.cc/23DP9ZxT
So what do I do now? I tried to follow your instructions but the step where
I click finish I missed where the file went and couldn't complete the process.
I've tried to repeat it but it doesn't let me because its all grayed out.
back to the
about:config
security.allow_eval_in_parent_process True # Should be False right now
I checked and it was false but why was I checking this again?
Looking at my available hd's I would first want to try this on the spare Win10 hd and it should have bookmarks and My documents on it as well
although dated.
Could I just copy/paste without using macrium?
Since you know my email, why couldn't you just send me a
'ping' email so we could stay in touch that way? It would
be allot easier than using Thunderbird and Yahoo isn't going
away anytime soon. What do you think? It allot better than on
here or Thunderbird and would only email you if I needed help.
I understand the process and steps to download and create an iso and
update Win 10 to a newer version. Will it update to Win 11 automatically
or do I have to go back and make an Update iso which they offered?
Hopefully I won't have any issues with the TPM since it didn't when
we upgraded from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 when they still offered it for free.
Robert
Somehow I managed to get Thunderbird completed but I
clicked on read email and I can't get out of it. How the hell do I
turn Thunderbird off or is it like Sea Monkey and activated
every time I open it.
I don't like having my email account attached to Thunderbird.
It's stuck in email and I can't seem to get out of it. , So what do
I do now?
Just one problem after another.
Robert
Here's my Thunderbird installation:
https://postimg.cc/SXnwS9rw
https://postimg.cc/VJVVV684 Using the limited_account to do a Program Install !!!
https://postimg.cc/vxbqVxr8
https://postimg.cc/SYdZ7Qd6
https://postimg.cc/DmcFYqYg
https://postimg.cc/WhWVssVq
https://postimg.cc/2b7pMDT6
https://postimg.cc/5jpdmf6K That is the tab that could have been dismissed and ignored.
Robert
I downloaded Thunderbird and selected the exe
and FF was OK with it. I haven't set it up yet.
When it asks for my email account and password
is it asking me to make up a password or the actual
password to the email account?
I guess another way of saying it is how do I update
my existing bookmarks and My Documents on the
Win 10 hd.
I can export bookmarks from Win 7 via the Patriot but
I haven't found where I can import them on Win 10?
Every time I try to do a search on how to do it it keeps
giving me Chrome. One video showed how he did it by
using the application menu to manage bookmarks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRuLTlHpMV8
It seems like he was in Win 7 the entire time not Win 10
because there was no change in the desktop layout.
He just moved bookmarks from Win 7 to Win 7 .
I understand about Win 7 not being supported
anymore and I want to get the latest version of
Win 10 of course.
I was also thinking of using the spare 780 Win 10 hd
for this as a test just in case something goes wrong.
Then if everything goes well I can do the master
780 Win 10 hd.
As far as the A/V programs they may survive the upgrade
with flying colors or I may just have to reinstall and I have
to 8500 to check for downloads. The 780 has the same A/V
programs. I didn't have to reinstall anything when I upgraded
from Win 7 to Win 10. I only use free A/V products. I don't
pay for any of it.
Robert
I found a video that shows how to
access bookmarks in Win 10 in FF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1BTL97igaw
It seems pretty much like Win 7, can you
confirm this? If so, I can go ahead and export my
bookmarks to a Patriot and then import them to the
Win 10 HD in the 780.
Rob
I switched hd's in the 780 but since FF isn't installed
it doesn't give the menu bar when I right click.
I did find where to import/export by clicking the 3 dots
on the upper right top then clicking settings.
https://postimg.cc/9w4WsF82
https://postimg.cc/w7cPgYCY
https://postimg.cc/sMTNG9fn
https://postimg.cc/dkyHfb2X
https://postimg.cc/jCy34rdn
https://postimg.cc/Mn39p6tN
https://postimg.cc/dZFBxLtk
https://postimg.cc/SnPHtf0n
So I need a link to download FF
Also I couldn't find how to shut it down and I ended up
signing out of my account which apparently was the
Administrators Account and my usual password didn't
work so I have to reset it. The User Account had nothing.
I still think at present we need to focus on getting me a USENET
on SeaMonkey so I can post and then we can come back to Win
10 because there's time element to this and I don't want to loose
contact.
Robert
I switched the Win 7 hd back in the 780 but I
left the Win10 hd inside instead of taking it in
and out. The 780 has slots for (2) hd's.
Actually, the cable has two connections on it
as well but I don't know about connecting both
of them at the same time with two different OS's.
Robert
OIC, so the best we can hope for on the 780 is Win 10 Pro. Could
the TPM also be the reason why the PCI card doesn't work?
We won't know the TPM version on either the 780 or 8500 until I put
in the Win 10 hd's. How do I check my TPM on the 8500 or 780 in
Win 7 ?
Are you recommending that I use In Control and download the version
on the left in red or do I click the green download now? I wouldn't know
how to use it. I read through it and didn't realize Microsoft had made so many changes etc. They truly don't know when to leave well enough alone.
This would be for the 780 and 8500 Win 10 correct?
I already have Sea Monkey installed but I don't understand the steps involved for creating a USENET in Sea Monkey although I have tried to post with O.A.I.C. and failed and Thunderbird won't let me try again because its
grayed out when I do.
Robert
I'm on the 8500 but as you can see from my
previous post the 780 can post again.
I switched hd's with the 780 again and
found this site and clicked the FF.exe to install
it but then it asked for my PIN number.
with a address I do not recognize on Outlook
and I was going to close it but then the Mozilla
Firefox Setup dialog opened up and the previous
screen disappeared. I didn't click anything.
https://postimg.cc/4mspRzJ3 Win10 with MSEdge present
https://postimg.cc/1425pSd1 Should have done SaveAs, not execute EXE on receipt.
https://postimg.cc/sQ1shH92 Asking for a PIN, to elevate with an MSA as the account
https://postimg.cc/0zfsH1VQ Firefox install running...
https://postimg.cc/9wZ3d64c Firefox install running...
https://postimg.cc/8f89zZZ9 Firefox install running...
https://postimg.cc/m1NX2Bz1 Firefox up.
https://postimg.cc/SnKTk0yj
https://postimg.cc/bDf4z6CM Firefox showing GG
I skipped the pop-up, add-ons and in sync pages because
I didn't know anything about them. Could we maybe
go back later and see if I need to change things? I right
clicked and clicked menu bar. So we have our
import/export functions. I also noticed that I couldn't switch
between users but last time I could and also I didn't
have to enter a password whereas last time I had signed
off, so it should have asked for it.
Robert
I think were getting ahead of ourselves here and I already messed up
with installing FF.
I want to make sure I do things right from this point forward.
Do you want me to uninstall FF then run it again and save it but again
the 780 has no A/V .
If you want me to proceed do I double click the download to get Seamonkey
to install?
Thanks,
Robert
The 780 doesn't have any A/V scanners I thought I was
supposed to to run it?
Do you want me to uninstall FF?
I started to do Seamonkey but stopped after I read your
last post because I may be doing it wrong. I had clicked
your link to download it and it completed but do I double
click it or because FF is tainted now maybe I should uninstall
it. ?
The 780 again didn't ask for any password. I don't recall what
I used before but it should of been what I entered when it did ask
last time. If it asks again I'll reset it.
Thanks,
Robert
I clicked to download SeaMonkey and I had a Windows
Defender pop-up during the process.
After it finished downloading I went into File Explorer and
right clicked it to scan downloads with Windows Defender.
I would of never of known to do this before. Then I finished
with the installation.
https://postimg.cc/9rGwrBfw Downloading Seamonkey
https://postimg.cc/k60D5V3y windows Defender manual scan
https://postimg.cc/hQVvQSKR Protection history
https://postimg.cc/fJjkwTHx Setup starts...
https://postimg.cc/2q35FdCw License
https://postimg.cc/dDGVBVcz Standard install
https://postimg.cc/8jHk2X54 Path option
https://postimg.cc/68bW37CG Launch tick box
https://postimg.cc/jnhKrCs2 Done.
Robert
On 12/18/2023 4:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I clicked to download SeaMonkey and I had a Windows
Defender pop-up during the process.
After it finished downloading I went into File Explorer and
right clicked it to scan downloads with Windows Defender.
I would of never of known to do this before. Then I finished
with the installation.
https://postimg.cc/9rGwrBfw Downloading Seamonkey
https://postimg.cc/k60D5V3y windows Defender manual scan
https://postimg.cc/hQVvQSKR Protection history
https://postimg.cc/fJjkwTHx Setup starts...
https://postimg.cc/2q35FdCw License
https://postimg.cc/dDGVBVcz Standard install
https://postimg.cc/8jHk2X54 Path option
https://postimg.cc/68bW37CG Launch tick box
https://postimg.cc/jnhKrCs2 Done.
Robert
All looks in order.
Paul
I had the password issue come up again in
the User Account and the Admin account
which makes me think they are both Admin
Accounts because User Accounts don't have
passwords but the account it was connected
to wasn't mine. I don't recognize it at all.
So I ended up resetting it and but for some
reason it wouldn't open up afterwards so I
closed it and opened the Admin Account
and was confronted by another password
problem but I was able to reset it.
Hopefully that's the end of the password problem.
Now as I see it I have to install Seamonkey
on the 780 Win 7 and the 8500 Win 7 and
Win 10 so all versions have it so we stay connected.
We can go back and do the InControl and the
EICAR in string to test etc. after we establish
a USENET connection with Seamonkey. Do I
just click the link you gave for EICAR? or what?
I have to setup single click on Win 10
I just setup SeaMonkey and have trouble at the
end because I only selected 500 downloads but
I typed the current post in and created a message
but its not there. I didn't think to save the message.
https://postimg.cc/ZWf0DK7c
https://postimg.cc/dkNzzgMg Seamonkey main window
https://postimg.cc/w1K3CGgt Newsgroup Account box
https://postimg.cc/gwp9bvxq
https://postimg.cc/FYRdgLrp
https://postimg.cc/hz91Wd7x
https://postimg.cc/T5fqR3rs Congratulations dialog
https://postimg.cc/XXbTZKLR
https://postimg.cc/FY86h01n Server setup finished
https://postimg.cc/xcHJs2MJ Subscribe dialog
https://postimg.cc/HVsWM131 download 500 headers
I didn't think to take pics of the last steps, I
was so wrapped up in trying to get it to work,
but you can see I followed your instructions.
I just closed Seamonkey because you told me
I never needed to logoff because it's activated
as soon as you open it. However I got this
as if it hadn't finished. I was going to restart the
780 anyway because it had been on for awhile.
It's updating the 780 now and says the pc will
restart several times.
https://postimg.cc/5HxVFZwF This is 22H2 coming in. Incontrol ??? Too late ???
https://postimg.cc/cgCGFwkx Seamonkey setup wizard
Robert
I had the password issue come up again in
the User Account and the Admin account
which makes me think they are both Admin
Accounts because User Accounts don't have
passwords but the account it was connected
to wasn't mine. I don't recognize it at all.
So I ended up resetting it and but for some
reason it wouldn't open up afterwards so I
closed it and opened the Admin Account
and was confronted by another password
problem but I was able to reset it.
Hopefully that's the end of the password problem.
Now as I see it I have to install Seamonkey
on the 780 Win 7 and the 8500 Win 7 and
Win 10 so all versions have it so we stay connected.
We can go back and do the InControl and the
EICAR in string to test etc. after we establish
a USENET connection with Seamonkey. Do I
just click the link you gave for EICAR? or what?
I have to setup single click on Win 10
I just setup SeaMonkey and have trouble at the
end because I only selected 500 downloads but
I typed the current post in and created a message
but its not there. I didn't think to save the message.
https://postimg.cc/ZWf0DK7c
https://postimg.cc/dkNzzgMg
https://postimg.cc/w1K3CGgt
https://postimg.cc/gwp9bvxq
https://postimg.cc/FYRdgLrp
https://postimg.cc/hz91Wd7x
https://postimg.cc/T5fqR3rs
https://postimg.cc/XXbTZKLR
https://postimg.cc/FY86h01n
https://postimg.cc/xcHJs2MJ
https://postimg.cc/HVsWM131
I didn't think to take pics of the last steps, I
was so wrapped up in trying to get it to work,
but you can see I followed your instructions.
I just closed Seamonkey because you told me
I never needed to logoff because it's activated
as soon as you open it. However I got this
as if it hadn't finished. I was going to restart the
780 anyway because it had been on for awhile.
It's updating the 780 now and says the pc will
restart several times.
https://postimg.cc/5HxVFZwF
https://postimg.cc/cgCGFwkx
Robert
Robert in CA wrote:
I had the password issue come up again inIt worked !!!
the User Account and the Admin account
which makes me think they are both Admin
Accounts because User Accounts don't have
passwords but the account it was connected
to wasn't mine. I don't recognize it at all.
So I ended up resetting it and but for some
reason it wouldn't open up afterwards so I
closed it and opened the Admin Account
and was confronted by another password
problem but I was able to reset it.
Hopefully that's the end of the password problem.
Now as I see it I have to install Seamonkey
on the 780 Win 7 and the 8500 Win 7 and
Win 10 so all versions have it so we stay connected.
We can go back and do the InControl and the
EICAR in string to test etc. after we establish
a USENET connection with Seamonkey. Do I
just click the link you gave for EICAR? or what?
I have to setup single click on Win 10
I just setup SeaMonkey and have trouble at the
end because I only selected 500 downloads but
I typed the current post in and created a message
but its not there. I didn't think to save the message.
https://postimg.cc/ZWf0DK7c
https://postimg.cc/dkNzzgMg
https://postimg.cc/w1K3CGgt
https://postimg.cc/gwp9bvxq
https://postimg.cc/FYRdgLrp
https://postimg.cc/hz91Wd7x
https://postimg.cc/T5fqR3rs
https://postimg.cc/XXbTZKLR
https://postimg.cc/FY86h01n
https://postimg.cc/xcHJs2MJ
https://postimg.cc/HVsWM131
I didn't think to take pics of the last steps, I
was so wrapped up in trying to get it to work,
but you can see I followed your instructions.
I just closed Seamonkey because you told me
I never needed to logoff because it's activated
as soon as you open it. However I got this
as if it hadn't finished. I was going to restart the
780 anyway because it had been on for awhile.
It's updating the 780 now and says the pc will
restart several times.
https://postimg.cc/5HxVFZwF
https://postimg.cc/cgCGFwkx
Robert
Do I have to go through all the steps
each time I post?
OK, so the Win 10 Spymonkey is working.
We need to do the same for the Win 7.
Question, should I delete my current
Spymonkey before I install the new version?
so much to remember and do but at
least we made it this far. Did I tell you
that I had a Win 11 upgrade that covered
the entire screen. I just hit escape.
Were getting there but I have to admit its
scary at times.
Robert
On 2023-10-11 05:28, Robert in CA wrote:
I forgot,
HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to
download?)
AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/
Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0
Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/
GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download
I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?
Thanks,
Robert
There is a button on the main page, for a download.
https://www.videolan.org/
Paul
On 12/15/2023 8:44 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I was thinking, even if I make an iso file and put it in
downloads on the Win 10 hd and then run it, it will only
update Win 10 not the bookmarks or My Documents.
Is there no way of importing bookmarks to Win10?
I still think browsing the mrimg is the only solution.
and I need macrium to do that.
Also can we continue this on the new thread I started?
O.T. - Moving bookmarks and My Documents from Win 7 hd to Win 10 hd
The posts are getting pretty long.
Thanks.
Robert
Of course you can copy stuff to the new disk.
I was hoping to come up with a scheme, so that your
Win7 environment would be preserved.
You can export bookmarks, and bring them places with your
Patriot USB flash stick.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2023-10-11 05:28, Robert in CA wrote:
I forgot,
HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to
download?)
AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/
Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0
Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/
GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download
I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?
Thanks,
Robert
There is a button on the main page, for a download.
https://www.videolan.org/
Paul
I unscribed to the newsgroup and re-scribed
to it with a limit of 7000 but it doesn't show
the current posts.This was the nearest I could
find. Was 7000 too high? At least with the 500
I could see the current posts. Maybe I should
change it back?
Robert
On 12/18/2023 11:31 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I had the password issue come up again in
the User Account and the Admin account
which makes me think they are both Admin
Accounts because User Accounts don't have
passwords but the account it was connected
to wasn't mine. I don't recognize it at all.
So I ended up resetting it and but for some
reason it wouldn't open up afterwards so I
closed it and opened the Admin Account
and was confronted by another password
problem but I was able to reset it.
Hopefully that's the end of the password problem.
Now as I see it I have to install Seamonkey
on the 780 Win 7 and the 8500 Win 7 and
Win 10 so all versions have it so we stay connected.
We can go back and do the InControl and the
EICAR in string to test etc. after we establish
a USENET connection with Seamonkey. Do I
just click the link you gave for EICAR? or what?
I have to setup single click on Win 10
I just setup SeaMonkey and have trouble at the
end because I only selected 500 downloads but
I typed the current post in and created a message
but its not there. I didn't think to save the message.
https://postimg.cc/ZWf0DK7c
https://postimg.cc/dkNzzgMg Seamonkey main window
https://postimg.cc/w1K3CGgt Newsgroup Account box
https://postimg.cc/gwp9bvxq
https://postimg.cc/FYRdgLrp
https://postimg.cc/hz91Wd7x
https://postimg.cc/T5fqR3rs Congratulations dialog
https://postimg.cc/XXbTZKLR
https://postimg.cc/FY86h01n Server setup finished
https://postimg.cc/xcHJs2MJ Subscribe dialog
https://postimg.cc/HVsWM131 download 500 headers
I didn't think to take pics of the last steps, I
was so wrapped up in trying to get it to work,
but you can see I followed your instructions.
I just closed Seamonkey because you told me
I never needed to logoff because it's activated
as soon as you open it. However I got this
as if it hadn't finished. I was going to restart the
780 anyway because it had been on for awhile.
It's updating the 780 now and says the pc will
restart several times.
https://postimg.cc/5HxVFZwF This is 22H2 coming in. Incontrol ??? Too late ???
https://postimg.cc/cgCGFwkx Seamonkey setup wizard
Robert
You can unsubscribe the group, which deletes the downloads,
and re-subscribe to the same group. Then, when it asks
how many to download, you can select 2000 or more.
Access to the server you are using, requires no account
and with no account comes no password to enter either.
I selected this server specifically to eliminate a few
of the steps needed for an account-based server.
Paul
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2023-10-11 05:28, Robert in CA wrote:
I forgot,
HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to download?)
AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/
Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0
Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/
GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download
I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?
Thanks,
Robert
There is a button on the main page, for a download.
https://www.videolan.org/
Paul
I unscribed to the newsgroup and re-scribed
to it with a limit of 7000 but it doesn't show
the current posts.This was the nearest I could
find. Was 7000 too high? At least with the 500
I could see the current posts. Maybe I should
change it back?
Robert
I set it to 2000 and still couldn't see
the current posts, so I unscribed for a
and re-scribed 3rd time and set it back to
500 but still can't see current posts.
Robert
The 780 has restarted and I had to enter the password again.
It's lucky I reset it because this time it took it with no
problem. I won't use the other account anymore but I would
like to create a User Account and delete this other one and get
off the Admin Account. Too much damage can happen there.
I don't like having to enter my password every time I use it.
Once we get SeaMonkey working on all the OS then we can
turn to the other projects you have in mind. I can also import
my bookmarks from the 8500 and import them to the 780
Win10. Could I copy over the existing bookmarks on Win 7
to update them as well as My Documents?
Well all that for later after we get the computers able to post via Seamonkey. That's the top priority now. My head is already
swimming with all I had to do and can hardly remember what I
did and what I have to do.
I'm confused,.. didn't I want to get 22H2? See what I mean?
Sometimes I don't know what to do like with the 500 downloads.
One thing, the 780 had the internal mic speaker on Win 7 and it
was OK but on Win 10 it shows no internal mic?
By the way,
Merry Christmas
Robert
yes, I can see this post from you,
You mean SeaMonkey not Thunderbird, don't
you?
I logged back into the 780 and it gave me this:
https://postimg.cc/cKLS1XTh
I tried to close it with Task Manager but it wouldn't
let me. So I clicked remind me in 3 days. Should I
click continue next time? See what I mean? All this
crap is getting in the way of finishing Sea Monkey
and more to do.
I'm all confused and Sea Monkey is messed up nothing
is working and I tried to create a new USENET with
paganini. bofh.team.rc but it didn't connect.
https://postimg.cc/tZ6m960D # Need to use Notepad for this
https://postimg.cc/64wzw1f5
https://postimg.cc/1f7TcsKG
https://postimg.cc/kV3Tf4Rb # account actions, remove that
https://postimg.cc/vg6HM0Hj
What do I do now?
Robert
What do I do now?
Robert
The 780 doesn't have Agent Ransack, I haven't moved
my bookmarks or my documents or downloaded anything
except FF.
So I grabbed the link to download it onto the 780 via Patriot
and the other account that's logged into everything wouldn't
let me install Agent Ransack without a Pin number. Should I go
ahead and reset the damn thing because its interfering with
everything I'm trying to do. I can't move forward because
of all these pop-ups and problems while time is running out.
https://postimg.cc/k611jDzP
https://postimg.cc/JDGSJ94q
https://postimg.cc/7fgdg1Dp
https://postimg.cc/Q99nV10Y
https://postimg.cc/rKLYFdWg
https://postimg.cc/bGdmF1cY
I also need to get off this Admin Account
when you say remove this are you saying not use it or are
you saying unsubscribe?
I'm trying to follow your instructions,....
Robert
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
There's two Admin Accounts, there's mine and
another by the name of John. I have no idea
where it came from. That's the Admin Account that's
interfering with everything.
As I said, the guy who refurbished the 780 or who did
Win 10 upgrade put his account on all this I believe. I
guess they didn't expect anyone to do what were doing
and that's why all the pin numbers.
You lost me,...even after I re-read your instructions,..
all I got was you want me to go into safe mode. All
this sounds very tricky,...and I'm getting confused at
just what to do and where. I"m trying to follow along.
btw I have another 780 Win 10 hd that may not be screwed
up. We could put that in and see if it downloads the Agent
Ransack without doing anything else.
What do you think? What do you want me to do ?
Robert
The hack consists of using the Repair : Troubleshoot : Command Prompt on
a Win10 installer DVD, to carry out the replacement of "sethc.exe" with "cmd.exe".
This gives you permission to copy files in a sensitive area.
Then, by shift-restarting and selecting Safe Mode, that allows the computer to come up without Windows Defender running and ruining the hack. Pressing the shift key five times in quick succession, triggers sticky keys,
sethc.exe tries to run, but since it has been replaced with
a copy of cmd.exe, the cmd.exe runs, and it is running as administrator.
From the Command Prompt window, we can...
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
And that makes a new account belonging to the administrators group.
And it's all done without a PIN.
Later, you replace the fake "sethc.exe" with a copy of the real "sethc.exe". I had to do that from the Windows 10 installer and Command Prompt, as well. Doing it from the booted system, it likely would have needed TrustedInstaller.
I'm trying to follow along where I'm suppose to do the NET USER TEMP
and NET LOCAL GROUP,... I don't have a Win 10 installer DVD.
net user administrator /active:yes
Where do I find this out?
I tried to go in and view the user accounts
to see where we stand but there was no manage
accounts and then I tried the CMD prompt.
Does this help?
https://postimg.cc/yDBTSG7Z
https://postimg.cc/Q9pt5f8F
https://postimg.cc/K4D7hNPc
Robert
The other option is to change hd's and put the other 780 Win 10 hd in
and see if it has the same problems or is OK and we can use it and set
up a User Account on it. I would first have to download FF, then Agent Ransack, SeaMonkey and then we should be set to go.
But it should have Edge OS on it just like the current 780 did but
I wouldn't of signed off of it so there should be no passwords. It should
be like you say showing which Account you want to log into just like Win
7 and your link with Bullwinkle and yes I understand those accounts could each delete one another because they are both Admin but I'm just a User
on the 780.
The only way around the problem as I see it is to let me change the pin number. We can always try the other hd later.
Robert
If I signed out of my account on the
780 then I would probably see the
other accounts but that Admin utility
that it showed on the CMD prompt
was the first time I had seen it.
It shows me as just a User
The other user is the same one with all the pin
number pop-ups and I keep getting backup
pop-ups, and macrium updates all running off
his account because I tried to remove Macrium
but it required a pin number because I'm not a
Admin Account like I thought I was.
You want me to do this on the CMD prompt?
I agree, I do not want to be on Admin Account
which is why I wanted to create a User Account
but in effect that's what were doing.
I just tried to do a CMD prompt as Administrator
and it again asked for the pin number.
How about this. Why don't I try and reset the pin
number like I did the password otherwise we aren't
going to be able to do anything. Somehow everything
is tied up with this other user account and its pin
number. So let me reset it.
Once you say OK then I can should be able to do
everything you want me to do.
Robert
I was thinking, instead of spending more time on the
780 Win 10 hd, we should start fresh and switch back
to the 780 Win 7 hd and set it up. It has a Admin Account
and a User Account so there should be no problems. It
also has Agent Ransack and a older version of Seamonkey.
I'm worried about the time element and were spending
too much time on the 780 Win 10 in trying to get it to
work and time is running out.
Once we have the Win 7 OS's set up on the 780 and 8500
and able to post via Seamonkey then we can return to the
Win 10 OS's and spend more time and get them to work.
Our main priority is to get SeaMonkey to work so we
don't loose communication and the Win 7 OS is our best
chance of doing that.
What do you think?
Robert
I was thinking, instead of spending more time on the
780 Win 10 hd, we should start fresh and switch back
to the 780 Win 7 hd and set it up. It has a Admin Account
and a User Account so there should be no problems.
I'm worried about the time element and were spending
too much time on the 780 Win 10 in trying to get it to
work.
Once we have the Win 7 OS's set up on the 780 and 8500
and abe to post via Seamonkey then we can return to the
Win 10 OS and get them to work.
Our main priority is to get SeaMonkey to work so we
don't loose communication.
What do you think?
Robert
On 12/21/2023 4:39 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I was thinking, instead of spending more time on the
780 Win 10 hd, we should start fresh and switch back
to the 780 Win 7 hd and set it up. It has a Admin Account
and a User Account so there should be no problems.
I'm worried about the time element and were spending
too much time on the 780 Win 10 in trying to get it to
work.
Once we have the Win 7 OS's set up on the 780 and 8500
and abe to post via Seamonkey then we can return to the
Win 10 OS and get them to work.
Our main priority is to get SeaMonkey to work so we
don't loose communication.
What do you think?
Robert
They make software for brute-forcing the pin, but it
doesn't work if the TPM was used as part of the PIN setup.
When I set up a PIN on this machine, there is no evidence
the TPM was used for that. (A TPM has internal protected
storage for assets.)
https://www.passcape.com/windows_password_recovery_windows_hello_pin_recovery
I mean, it's a bit silly concept, but someone thinks they have
the code to do it. The last time I tried to crack a password with
free software, it said it would take 12 or 13 years to do it
(long password).
https://www.passcape.com/images/windows_hello_pin3.png
If you tried to force it through the normal login dialog...
"The TPM protects against a variety of known and potential attacks,
including PIN brute-force attacks. After too many incorrect guesses,
the device is locked."
But the machine probably does not have a TPM 2.0 so who knows
whether the OS used the older TPM at all, for anything on the 780.
These guys are good at it. On a 780, the PIN might well not be protected
by the TPM. If your Windows 10 machine has no functional TPM, then the
string needing cracking is in the SAM registry.
https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2022/08/windows-hello-no-tpm-no-security/
*******
While that's all amusing, let's get back to business.
You know how to set up Seamonkey now, and it won't take long to do
it on Windows 7. Your email should be on a separate piece of software,
and Seamonkey will just be for USENET News.
Paul
On 12/21/2023 4:39 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I was thinking, instead of spending more time on the
780 Win 10 hd, we should start fresh and switch back
to the 780 Win 7 hd and set it up. It has a Admin Account
and a User Account so there should be no problems.
I'm worried about the time element and were spending
too much time on the 780 Win 10 in trying to get it to
work.
Once we have the Win 7 OS's set up on the 780 and 8500
and abe to post via Seamonkey then we can return to the
Win 10 OS and get them to work.
Our main priority is to get SeaMonkey to work so we
don't loose communication.
What do you think?
Robert
They make software for brute-forcing the pin, but it
doesn't work if the TPM was used as part of the PIN setup.
When I set up a PIN on this machine, there is no evidence
the TPM was used for that. (A TPM has internal protected
storage for assets.)
https://www.passcape.com/windows_password_recovery_windows_hello_pin_recovery
I mean, it's a bit silly concept, but someone thinks they have
the code to do it. The last time I tried to crack a password with
free software, it said it would take 12 or 13 years to do it
(long password).
https://www.passcape.com/images/windows_hello_pin3.png
If you tried to force it through the normal login dialog...
"The TPM protects against a variety of known and potential attacks,
including PIN brute-force attacks. After too many incorrect guesses,
the device is locked."
But the machine probably does not have a TPM 2.0 so who knows
whether the OS used the older TPM at all, for anything on the 780.
These guys are good at it. On a 780, the PIN might well not be protected
by the TPM. If your Windows 10 machine has no functional TPM, then the
string needing cracking is in the SAM registry.
https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2022/08/windows-hello-no-tpm-no-security/
*******
While that's all amusing, let's get back to business.
You know how to set up Seamonkey now, and it won't take long to do
it on Windows 7. Your email should be on a separate piece of software,
and Seamonkey will just be for USENET News.
Paul
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user". But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
Paul
OK,.... I am able to post to you via
the 780 Seamonkey.
However if we do a clean install it
will wipe out everything we've done.
Please dont give me too much credit
for knowing how to do things. this
is all new for me and all technical
and I have a hard time trying to
remember. I'm trying to follow what you
what to do.
I'm still worried about the time element
but do you want me to do a clean install
since I can't hack the machine because it
asked for the pin number when I tried to open a
CMD prompt as Administrator.
Robert
I thought I shut down the 780 and took
a break but when I came back it had this
screen:
https://postimg.cc/9wVxpZ0Q
I read through the clean Windows install
and step 9 it asks for a product key to activate
Win 10. I don't have a product key. We just
upgraded from Win 7 when it was still free.
I says if I took advantage of the free offer use
the Windows 7 Product key I upgraded from.
Is that the number that's on the computer?
The process sure is lengthy and involved!
Holy crap this involves setting up drives and
partitions etc. network connections.. this is
literally from scratch and will take all our time
away when were on a time limit.
I still say for now, lets get the Win 7 Seamonkey
working or we can check out the other Win 10 hd
if you like and it might be in better shape than this
one but this would take allot of time to do and I
need the Win 7 operational the Win 10 hd's are not
that high of a priority right now. We can return to
this later but for right now I prefer to leave it as is.
At least I can post with it.
I suggest I switch hd's again and we set up Win 7
so it can post via Seamonkey.
Robert
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user". But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:This is to test if I can post to
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user". >> But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
you on the 780 with Win 7.
Robert
Also after I download Seamonkey in Win 7 on both computer I
went into Windows Explorer couldn't find the downloads for
Windows Defender to scan it. I installed it anyway because the
same download had been scanned in Win 10.
but where do I scan downloads in Win 7 ?
I'm going to take a break for awhile,. Im tired.
Please let me know that you've seen my tests posts so I know
Seamonkey is working.
Many thanks,
Robert
On 12/21/2023 7:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I thought I shut down the 780 and took
a break but when I came back it had this
screen:
https://postimg.cc/9wVxpZ0Q
I read through the clean Windows install
and step 9 it asks for a product key to activate
Win 10. I don't have a product key. We just
upgraded from Win 7 when it was still free.
I says if I took advantage of the free offer use
the Windows 7 Product key I upgraded from.
Is that the number that's on the computer?
The process sure is lengthy and involved!
Holy crap this involves setting up drives and
partitions etc. network connections.. this is
literally from scratch and will take all our time
away when were on a time limit.
I still say for now, lets get the Win 7 Seamonkey
working or we can check out the other Win 10 hd
if you like and it might be in better shape than this
one but this would take allot of time to do and I
need the Win 7 operational the Win 10 hd's are not
that high of a priority right now. We can return to
this later but for right now I prefer to leave it as is.
At least I can post with it.
I suggest I switch hd's again and we set up Win 7
so it can post via Seamonkey.
Robert
This is not your first rodeo. You've already done the licensing
thing. For your install, you answer "I don't have a key" or "Skip".
Later in the procedure, the OS automatically takes care of all
of that. The idea is "don't sweat it when it asks for the key",
just hop past the key section and carry on. It's that simple :-)
At this point, if you want something to do, you could Google for
"download Windows 10" and get 22H2 via the "MediaCreationTool"
that is on the download page. If you have a DVD blank, you can
burn a DVD. Or, if you have a spare empty Patriot, you can put Windows 10
on that.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10
Download tool now <+== MediaCreationTool
Using the tool to create installation media (USB flash drive, DVD,
or ISO file) to install Windows 10 on a different PC (click to show
more or less information)
You can also read my other post, and get me a picture of Disk Management.
I want to see what kind of a mess this job will be. Some of the installs
I've done, it has taken me half a day to move partitions around to
make the room for it.
Paul
Before we go further I need you to verify my posts from
Seamonkey. In fact, this post is from Seamonkey but I
sent several test posts earlier.
I need to know you're seeing this.
I clicked the other Rob to signon hoping it would be different
but it isn't. I don't understand why I should have two accounts
with the same name.?
I don't see how we can hack the 780 with a User account and the
Admin Account - WDA is a utility. Everything we try to do is
stopped by the other User's account's pin number. Even down
loading Agent Ransack or trying to delete Macrium.
https://postimg.cc/ZWFB3SSh
If I do a Clean Install I will be doing it blind,. of course I have the
8500 but this is going to take awhile and I know zero about setups, partitions etc
I just tried to create a MediaCreationTool and was stopped by the
pin number again because I'm on a User Account. The WDA is the
Admin Account. I don't see how we can do anything useful with this
780 Win 10 hd. I can't download anything on it without the pin coming
up. I'm surprised it let FF and SeaMonkey in.
We still have another 780 Win 10 that is the primary, what were working
on was a spare hd and maybe we should put the primary in and see what
it looks like? I also have the 8500 Win 10 but there's only (1) However,
I do have spare hd's so we could create another.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
On 12/21/2023 8:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user". >>> But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
This is a test on the 8500 Win 7 to see if I
can post with Sea Monkey.
Robert
I can confirm that this arrived as well.
Paul
On 12/21/2023 8:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user". >>> But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
This is a test on the 8500 Win 7 to see if I
can post with Sea Monkey.
Robert
I can confirm that this arrived as well.
Paul
This is on the 8500 not Seamonkey.
I tried the hack:
https://postimg.cc/4HJf1b3B
https://postimg.cc/Mv36yBJm
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/21/2023 8:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user".
But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
This is a test on the 8500 Win 7 to see if I
can post with Sea Monkey.
Robert
I can confirm that this arrived as well.
Paul
This is the most current post I can find from you.
Let me switch the 780 Win 10 hd with the
master 780 Win 10 hd that we haven't put in
yet. It may be OK and we can do everything
you want without all this hassle.
We can always return to this Win 10 hd but
its not letting us do anything. It's a wonder we
got Spymonkey to work on it and maybe that
will be it's only function because it's not letting
us do anything else.
I could try and transfer my bookmarks and My
Documents etc to make it more usable and maybe
it will let me install Word and EXcell and Dell
Imagining but I wouldn't want to make mrimgs
for this hd.
The other Win 10 hd will probably have Edge
as well but I can put on FF after I scan it but
hopefully it won't have all these crazy accounts
and will be set up differently.
What do you think?
Robert
On 12/22/2023 1:01 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/21/2023 8:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/20/2023 7:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here is the post again
You can see with the old account I saw the current posts:
https://postimg.cc/FYZZtxy4
I tried to create a User Account in Win 10 but
there doesn't seem to be anyway That I could
see?
https://postimg.cc/sMXBX9Fy
https://postimg.cc/cgNwrgMm
https://postimg.cc/d7GTPQPT
https://postimg.cc/D8W03f1y
https://postimg.cc/t1rGgWj0
https://postimg.cc/T5DzQsWG
https://postimg.cc/1gd7THSz
https://postimg.cc/ygJtYGj9
https://postimg.cc/LJnbVwdW
Robert
control /name Microsoft.UserAccounts
Then "Manage Another Account" to see the accounts that already exist [useful!] .
At the bottom of that page in light blue tiny letters, is "add a new user".
But it vectors off to the new crap. [Not good]
*******
But you can already see what the solution is.
You need to open an administrators window.
Once you have hacked the machine, you will have such an account.
NET USER TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # Adding Account TEMP, Password qwerty1
NET LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /add # Don't forget the "s" on the end of Administrators
That makes an account TEMP which belongs to administrator group.
This is a test on the 8500 Win 7 to see if I
can post with Sea Monkey.
Robert
I can confirm that this arrived as well.
Paul
This is the most current post I can find from you.
Let me switch the 780 Win 10 hd with the
master 780 Win 10 hd that we haven't put in
yet. It may be OK and we can do everything
you want without all this hassle.
We can always return to this Win 10 hd but
its not letting us do anything. It's a wonder we
got Spymonkey to work on it and maybe that
will be it's only function because it's not letting
us do anything else.
I could try and transfer my bookmarks and My
Documents etc to make it more usable and maybe
it will let me install Word and EXcell and Dell
Imagining but I wouldn't want to make mrimgs
for this hd.
The other Win 10 hd will probably have Edge
as well but I can put on FF after I scan it but
hopefully it won't have all these crazy accounts
and will be set up differently.
What do you think?
Robert
It will let us do things. You have to be patient.
If you don't see the post, use your browser and the post is here.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cum3iid%24u5tk%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
It uses a Macrium CD for part of the hack.
Paul
Did you see this?
I clicked the other Rob to signon hoping it would be different
but it isn't. I don't understand why I should have two accounts
with the same name.?
I don't see how we can hack the 780 with a User account and the
Admin Account - WDA is a utility. Everything we try to do is
stopped by the other User's account's pin number. Even down
loading Agent Ransack or trying to delete Macrium.
https://postimg.cc/ZWFB3SSh
If I do a Clean Install I will be doing it blind,. of course I have the
8500 but this is going to take awhile and I know zero about setups, partitions etc
I just tried to create a MediaCreationTool and was stopped by the
pin number again because I'm on a User Account. The WDA is the
Admin Account. I don't see how we can do anything useful with this
780 Win 10 hd. I can't download anything on it without the pin coming
up. I'm surprised it let FF and SeaMonkey in.
We still have another 780 Win 10 that is the primary, what were working
on was a spare hd and maybe we should put the primary in and see what
it looks like? I also have the 8500 Win 10 but there's only (1) However,
I do have spare hd's so we could create another.
Since it wouldn't download the mediacreationtool in Win 10
I switched hd again and put in the 780 Win 7 hd. I'm not going
to mess with the 8500 doing this. It's still not letting me and finally
came up with two different error messages after I restarted it and tried
a 3rd time.
https://postimg.cc/q6h5XBqv
https://postimg.cc/8fMbz7sM
https://postimg.cc/HV02G8qC
https://postimg.cc/njQ43X4g
https://postimg.cc/ykKmTYkp
https://postimg.cc/QFYsbCxp
https://postimg.cc/tZBhR83d
I just read your instructions for hacking,.. allot to take in...
I'll have to re-read it a couple of times. You want me to use
my 780 Rescue CD to gain access to the cmd prompt to make
the changes then verify my account has been elevated and change
it back. correct?
I don't see from the instructions how to restart Windows boot
manager and I've never seen these safe modes before. Also where
it's asking for the password and the next I'm entering commands
in a command prompt. How did I get there?
Am I entering those same commands?
Thanks,..
Merry Christmas
Robert
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media.
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media.
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie .
Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media. >>
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?want me to do?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
Paul wrote:want me to do?
On 12/23/2023 1:37 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . >>>> Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media. >>>>
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\ >>>>
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
This sequence, needs C: as the first line. You MUST switch to the
C: partition, before the other three commands. There are four lines of input.
The first line has the two characters in it.
C: # This changes to the C: partition
cd Windows\System32 # Current directory is C:\Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # This renames the original file, for safe keeping
copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # This places cmd.exe in place of sethc.exe file, as a "fake"
*******
Macrium does have a selector for shutdown/restart. It's in
newer versions of the Macrium Rescue CD. It is the red button
in the lower left corner. Clicking it, if there is a selector, it
will have as options "Reboot" or "Shutdown" showing in a tiny dialog box.
That's where you get to select it.
*******
When you have the Administrator level window to work in, you can
do anything you want. This sequence for example, adds a new account
that has administrator rights. This account is TEMP. And the
password is "qwerty1".
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD >>
You could do a third line at that time, like this. This would
add the account "Rob" to the Administrators group. This assumes
the "Rob" account already exists. That's why the command only
has the one line. "Rob" must exist and be a working account, for this
to be worth doing.
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
See how easy this is ? And how much fun ?
Do not be distracted by the accounts showing in my diagram.
("Lowboy" is the unelevated account, I use to "test for handcuffs" in the OS.)
What happens to the computer during this procedure, does not "rely" on the account choices.
What matters, is entering those commands in the Administrator window.
That's why we're doing the hack, is to regain control of the computer
so we can do other important work.
Once the hack lines are entered, you can type "exit" into the
Administrator window, or you can click the "X" in the upper left
corner of that window. You can log into any account showing
for fun if you want (lower left corner choices). If everything
is working, when you reboot the computer, any changes should
now be working, and say, the Rob account could have new Administrator privileges.
That's what this is for. Getting away from entering some foreign-account PIN.
We need an account which you control, to have Administrators privileges.
Paul
Do I have this sequence right now?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
C:
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
• at CMD prompt enter commands
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged
in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
I can just leave the Rescue CD in when I reboot
and just not select it or do you think its better I take it
out before I reboot to the WBM?.
Once we have it working as Admin Account I can go into
the CMD prompt and do
C:
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
could I make my own like this as a simple example? What would this do?
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user Robert abc123 /ADD
Robert
On 12/23/2023 1:37 PM, Robert in CA wrote:want me to do?
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie .
Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media. >>>
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
This sequence, needs C: as the first line. You MUST switch to the
C: partition, before the other three commands. There are four lines of input. The first line has the two characters in it.
C: # This changes to the C: partition
cd Windows\System32 # Current directory is C:\Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # This renames the original file, for safe keeping
copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # This places cmd.exe in place of sethc.exe file, as a "fake"
*******
Macrium does have a selector for shutdown/restart. It's in
newer versions of the Macrium Rescue CD. It is the red button
in the lower left corner. Clicking it, if there is a selector, it
will have as options "Reboot" or "Shutdown" showing in a tiny dialog box. That's where you get to select it.
*******
When you have the Administrator level window to work in, you can
do anything you want. This sequence for example, adds a new account
that has administrator rights. This account is TEMP. And the
password is "qwerty1".
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
You could do a third line at that time, like this. This would
add the account "Rob" to the Administrators group. This assumes
the "Rob" account already exists. That's why the command only
has the one line. "Rob" must exist and be a working account, for this
to be worth doing.
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
See how easy this is ? And how much fun ?
Do not be distracted by the accounts showing in my diagram.
("Lowboy" is the unelevated account, I use to "test for handcuffs" in the OS.)
What happens to the computer during this procedure, does not "rely" on the account choices.
What matters, is entering those commands in the Administrator window.
That's why we're doing the hack, is to regain control of the computer
so we can do other important work.
Once the hack lines are entered, you can type "exit" into the
Administrator window, or you can click the "X" in the upper left
corner of that window. You can log into any account showing
for fun if you want (lower left corner choices). If everything
is working, when you reboot the computer, any changes should
now be working, and say, the Rob account could have new Administrator privileges.
That's what this is for. Getting away from entering some foreign-account PIN. We need an account which you control, to have Administrators privileges.
Paul
On 12/24/2023 1:33 AM, Robert in CA wrote:want me to do?
Paul wrote:
On 12/23/2023 1:37 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . >>>>> Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media.
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\ >>>>>
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
This sequence, needs C: as the first line. You MUST switch to the
C: partition, before the other three commands. There are four lines of input.
The first line has the two characters in it.
C: # This changes to the C: partition
cd Windows\System32 # Current directory is C:\Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # This renames the original file, for safe keeping
copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # This places cmd.exe in place of sethc.exe file, as a "fake"
*******
Macrium does have a selector for shutdown/restart. It's in
newer versions of the Macrium Rescue CD. It is the red button
in the lower left corner. Clicking it, if there is a selector, it
will have as options "Reboot" or "Shutdown" showing in a tiny dialog box. >>> That's where you get to select it.
*******
When you have the Administrator level window to work in, you can
do anything you want. This sequence for example, adds a new account
that has administrator rights. This account is TEMP. And the
password is "qwerty1".
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
You could do a third line at that time, like this. This would
add the account "Rob" to the Administrators group. This assumes
the "Rob" account already exists. That's why the command only
has the one line. "Rob" must exist and be a working account, for this
to be worth doing.
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
See how easy this is ? And how much fun ?
Do not be distracted by the accounts showing in my diagram.
("Lowboy" is the unelevated account, I use to "test for handcuffs" in the OS.)
What happens to the computer during this procedure, does not "rely" on the account choices.
What matters, is entering those commands in the Administrator window.
That's why we're doing the hack, is to regain control of the computer
so we can do other important work.
Once the hack lines are entered, you can type "exit" into the
Administrator window, or you can click the "X" in the upper left
corner of that window. You can log into any account showing
for fun if you want (lower left corner choices). If everything
is working, when you reboot the computer, any changes should
now be working, and say, the Rob account could have new Administrator privileges.
That's what this is for. Getting away from entering some foreign-account PIN.
We need an account which you control, to have Administrators privileges. >>>
Paul
Do I have this sequence right now?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
C:
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
• at CMD prompt enter commands
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged >> in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
I can just leave the Rescue CD in when I reboot
and just not select it or do you think its better I take it
out before I reboot to the WBM?.
Once we have it working as Admin Account I can go into
the CMD prompt and do
C:
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
could I make my own like this as a simple example? What would this do?
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user Robert abc123 /ADD
Robert
That last command, makes an un-elevated user Robert.
You need a second line after it, so it is elevated.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD # Create Robert account with password abc123
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD # Add Robert to the Administrators group
And be careful of your syntax, OK ?
No more of those excess space characters.
This part of the command, is already on the screen.
It's the "prompt" and it shows the current working directory, then a greater-than symbol.
You don't type this part.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
The letters you type, are this much.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD
Those commands do not have any particular dependency on the working directory.
However, the Macrium file copy work, it *does* depend on the working directory
being done correctly. The Macrium environment boots to X: and then
we have to change the Macrium path to C: to get the commands carried
out on the C: drive. (The X: directory is transient, and it disappears
as soon as Macrium is shut down. Whereas C: is always with us.)
Paul
On 12/24/2023 1:33 AM, Robert in CA wrote:want me to do?
Paul wrote:
On 12/23/2023 1:37 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . >>>>> Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media.
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\ >>>>>
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
This sequence, needs C: as the first line. You MUST switch to the
C: partition, before the other three commands. There are four lines of input.
The first line has the two characters in it.
C: # This changes to the C: partition
cd Windows\System32 # Current directory is C:\Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # This renames the original file, for safe keeping
copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # This places cmd.exe in place of sethc.exe file, as a "fake"
*******
Macrium does have a selector for shutdown/restart. It's in
newer versions of the Macrium Rescue CD. It is the red button
in the lower left corner. Clicking it, if there is a selector, it
will have as options "Reboot" or "Shutdown" showing in a tiny dialog box. >>> That's where you get to select it.
*******
When you have the Administrator level window to work in, you can
do anything you want. This sequence for example, adds a new account
that has administrator rights. This account is TEMP. And the
password is "qwerty1".
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
You could do a third line at that time, like this. This would
add the account "Rob" to the Administrators group. This assumes
the "Rob" account already exists. That's why the command only
has the one line. "Rob" must exist and be a working account, for this
to be worth doing.
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
See how easy this is ? And how much fun ?
Do not be distracted by the accounts showing in my diagram.
("Lowboy" is the unelevated account, I use to "test for handcuffs" in the OS.)
What happens to the computer during this procedure, does not "rely" on the account choices.
What matters, is entering those commands in the Administrator window.
That's why we're doing the hack, is to regain control of the computer
so we can do other important work.
Once the hack lines are entered, you can type "exit" into the
Administrator window, or you can click the "X" in the upper left
corner of that window. You can log into any account showing
for fun if you want (lower left corner choices). If everything
is working, when you reboot the computer, any changes should
now be working, and say, the Rob account could have new Administrator privileges.
That's what this is for. Getting away from entering some foreign-account PIN.
We need an account which you control, to have Administrators privileges. >>>
Paul
Do I have this sequence right now?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
C:
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
• at CMD prompt enter commands
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged >> in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
I can just leave the Rescue CD in when I reboot
and just not select it or do you think its better I take it
out before I reboot to the WBM?.
Once we have it working as Admin Account I can go into
the CMD prompt and do
C:
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
could I make my own like this as a simple example? What would this do?
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user Robert abc123 /ADD
Robert
That last command, makes an un-elevated user Robert.
You need a second line after it, so it is elevated.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD # Create Robert account with password abc123
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD # Add Robert to the Administrators group
And be careful of your syntax, OK ?
No more of those excess space characters.
This part of the command, is already on the screen.
It's the "prompt" and it shows the current working directory, then a greater-than symbol.
You don't type this part.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
The letters you type, are this much.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD
Those commands do not have any particular dependency on the working directory.
However, the Macrium file copy work, it *does* depend on the working directory
being done correctly. The Macrium environment boots to X: and then
we have to change the Macrium path to C: to get the commands carried
out on the C: drive. (The X: directory is transient, and it disappears
as soon as Macrium is shut down. Whereas C: is always with us.)
Paul
I also got this error on the newsgroup.
I've gotten a couple like this.
https://postimg.cc/V5cbBR0n
Robert
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
I tried it and everything went OK until the end where
I had to sign-in because it had no CMD prompt access
at that point.
https://postimg.cc/qh3gXfQ2
https://postimg.cc/MvWKXjk7
https://postimg.cc/hf5hXb9k
https://postimg.cc/XpG4zMCP
https://postimg.cc/HJ3qL3M5
https://postimg.cc/1VF7DK8v
https://postimg.cc/v4hq7Tmw
https://postimg.cc/zbs0DRxK
https://postimg.cc/z3hxt0fj
https://postimg.cc/KkPJz8wW
https://postimg.cc/RNk6PLNc
So what do I do now?
Robert
On 12/24/2023 2:51 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I also got this error on the newsgroup.
I've gotten a couple like this.
https://postimg.cc/V5cbBR0n
Robert
Paganini likely has defensive measures, and something your
client is doing may have triggered it. Or, another theory
would be, it is something related to the SeaMonkey code.
Modern INN servers, they use transient connections. The
client makes a connection, carries out a few commands, and the
server drops the connection.
This is unlike in the old days, where a news client would stay
connected for fifteen minutes perhaps, before a connection would
drop.
This method allows the server to support more connections, because
each connection has a short holding time.
If you violate one of the service rules (say, more than 1200
connections a day, more than so many posted messages), then one
of these free servers can block your IP for a whole day.
Some servers lack a web page, so you can hardly guess how
they work in that case.
I've never had a problem with that sort of thing, and it is
hard to debug a problem like that unless it is reproducible.
The news client should do a few things, before popping a 10060.
It should be verifying the connection is up or down, if the
connection is down, it repeats the authentication procedure and
brings the connection back up. Well, this server has no authentication procedure. But you do have to issue commands in a certain order
to make the server work. On the first access, the server may
return a 200 status. And then more commands can be issued, to
update the message lists. So rather than authentication, it
would at least have to do the preamble again, in order to honor
the command you're trying to run (which might be a POST attempt).
Since you're on Port 119 (Plaintext) on the server, you could use
Wireshark to watch the network protocol. That's how I learned what
the messages look like. Portions of them are in plain text and
you can figure out how it is going, by watching the text. I'm not
expecting you to do that, but that's just so you know what the
analysis would be like. It would be Wireshark. And that works on
Port 119. If it was another port number, like 563, then you couldn't
follow along.
Paul
On 12/24/2023 1:33 AM, Robert in CA wrote:want me to do?
Paul wrote:
On 12/23/2023 1:37 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/22/2023 8:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the MediaCreationTool download
but it would only burn DVD's. there were no
options for the Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/tZHsJXTP
https://postimg.cc/sv2vvHVn
https://postimg.cc/5Q2NQjMH
https://postimg.cc/5jstd5w8
Then I switched hd again and tried the one labeled bad:
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
I put the 780 Win 10 hd back in.
I'm broke until the 27th and then I can buy the
double sided DVD's.
Robert
The first four postimg images, yes, the IMAPI2 (or any other burner
for that matter), can't put more than about 4,700,000,000
bytes or so on a single-layer DVD. The numbers are in Wikipedia.
DVD-R SL 4,707,319,808
DVD+R SL 4,700,372,992
DVD-R DL 8,543,666,176
DVD+R DL 8,547,991,552
The Linux version might be well above 4,700 while the
Windows MediaCreationTool version is just a bit too big.
Both of them would fit on a Patriot stick of 8GB size using rufus.ie . >>>>> Dual-layer DVD would also work for both.
You don't have to do the following. It's just an illustration of
how you deal with the too-big DVD, when all you own is single layer media.
It's possible to artificially trim the DVD size down, to make
it fit. You need a copy of "oscdimg.exe", and when you got the
Macrium download, it's possible that file would be in there.
A WADK kit (a long download) would also have it.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqcf19p%242ej%241%40dont-email.me%3E
md F:\WORK # make a temporary directory for the work, 20GB slack should be OK
# Copy the original mounted ISO contents into WORK. This will take a while.
sources\
efi\
...
autorun.inf
# First part of process, works on a specific file in sources\ >>>>>
F:\WORK\sources\ # The Export-Image stuff, this makes a smaller WIM file, key to the procedure.
# The oscdimg part, it uses the contents of F:\WORK to make F:\new.iso kind of thing.
# The three lines of command go onto one command line, with a space between line contents.
oscdimg ... F:\WORK F:\W190364.iso # A new, smaller DVD W190364.iso, with only Windows 10 Pro in it.
# For your work, you'd pick a descriptive name for your new.iso .
*******
For the boot problem, you'd need to do Disk Management analysis
to see if the partitions are intact. The Macrium "Boot Repair"
on the CD may work, but only if there isn't severe damage to
the content on the drive. This could also happen, if you
attempt to rebuild the boot details, when too many unrelated
disks are also in the computer. Boot repair should be done
with just the affected hard drive being the only storage.
# your boot error
https://postimg.cc/G9f1xXFg
Note that boot repair does not always work. I've tried and tried
at various times to fix hard drives, and the repair just does not
work. So if it does not work, it's not exactly unexpected. But
it is pleasant when it does decide to work :-)
Paul
Do I have this sequence right?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4 (I've never seen those startup settings before)
There's is no shut down/restart command in macrium. When doing mrimgs I usually
remove the CD from the drive. Then close Macrium and wait for the screen to go black and then pull the USB connection then I get the WBM screen. So I would still close macrium and then when it restarts I could select Safe mode then. Is that what you
I see you have a new account Lowboy your using so will I also have a new account
that I will be using but can I still access the CMD prompt without logging in ?
• enter commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
Robert
This sequence, needs C: as the first line. You MUST switch to the
C: partition, before the other three commands. There are four lines of input.
The first line has the two characters in it.
C: # This changes to the C: partition
cd Windows\System32 # Current directory is C:\Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # This renames the original file, for safe keeping
copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # This places cmd.exe in place of sethc.exe file, as a "fake"
*******
Macrium does have a selector for shutdown/restart. It's in
newer versions of the Macrium Rescue CD. It is the red button
in the lower left corner. Clicking it, if there is a selector, it
will have as options "Reboot" or "Shutdown" showing in a tiny dialog box. >>> That's where you get to select it.
*******
When you have the Administrator level window to work in, you can
do anything you want. This sequence for example, adds a new account
that has administrator rights. This account is TEMP. And the
password is "qwerty1".
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
You could do a third line at that time, like this. This would
add the account "Rob" to the Administrators group. This assumes
the "Rob" account already exists. That's why the command only
has the one line. "Rob" must exist and be a working account, for this
to be worth doing.
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
See how easy this is ? And how much fun ?
Do not be distracted by the accounts showing in my diagram.
("Lowboy" is the unelevated account, I use to "test for handcuffs" in the OS.)
What happens to the computer during this procedure, does not "rely" on the account choices.
What matters, is entering those commands in the Administrator window.
That's why we're doing the hack, is to regain control of the computer
so we can do other important work.
Once the hack lines are entered, you can type "exit" into the
Administrator window, or you can click the "X" in the upper left
corner of that window. You can log into any account showing
for fun if you want (lower left corner choices). If everything
is working, when you reboot the computer, any changes should
now be working, and say, the Rob account could have new Administrator privileges.
That's what this is for. Getting away from entering some foreign-account PIN.
We need an account which you control, to have Administrators privileges. >>>
Paul
Do I have this sequence right now?
• select settings
• select update/security
• select recovery - restart now
• select Troubleshoot
• select advanced options
• select start-up settings
• I load the 780 Win10 Rescue CD
• in macirum, use CMD prompt to enter commands
C:
cd Windows\System32
ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak
copy cmd.exe sethc .exe
• close CMD prompt
• re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
• at CMD prompt enter commands
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
• press shift key 5 times (sticky keys) - opens Admin window, not logged >> in yet
• verify account has changed to Administrator
• re-boot with Rescue media
• select CMD prompt and enter commands to remove the hack
C:
cd Windows\System 32
del sethc.exe
ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe
I can just leave the Rescue CD in when I reboot
and just not select it or do you think its better I take it
out before I reboot to the WBM?.
Once we have it working as Admin Account I can go into
the CMD prompt and do
C:
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
could I make my own like this as a simple example? What would this do?
C:\WINDOWS\system32> net user Robert abc123 /ADD
Robert
That last command, makes an un-elevated user Robert.
You need a second line after it, so it is elevated.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD # Create Robert account with password abc123
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD # Add Robert to the Administrators group
And be careful of your syntax, OK ?
No more of those excess space characters.
This part of the command, is already on the screen.
It's the "prompt" and it shows the current working directory, then a greater-than symbol.
You don't type this part.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
The letters you type, are this much.
net user Robert abc123 /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Robert /ADD
Those commands do not have any particular dependency on the working directory.
However, the Macrium file copy work, it *does* depend on the working directory
being done correctly. The Macrium environment boots to X: and then
we have to change the Macrium path to C: to get the commands carried
out on the C: drive. (The X: directory is transient, and it disappears
as soon as Macrium is shut down. Whereas C: is always with us.)
Paul
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear.
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing.
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member.
You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried to finish the procedure by using the Rescue media
to access the CMD prompt. I did the first command wrong but
the second time it also rejected it.
https://postimg.cc/7C5XrVqm
I also got one of the error messages again before I posted
this.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear.
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing.
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member.
You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear.
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing.
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member.
You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear.
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing.
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member.
You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
I tried again but it still see's the first attempt account and says there's a duplicate account and doesn't let me proceed with the needed commands but when I restart it takes me to the menu to press 4 and so I entered the commands with spacing but itsays no user.
https://postimg.cc/xqXXCDLf
I need a new User name /password to work with for this to work;
like TEMP1 qwertym ? Can I do that?
Robert
On 12/24/2023 12:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:says no user.
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear. >>>>>
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing. >>>>>
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member.
You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
I tried again but it still see's the first attempt account and says there's a duplicate account and doesn't let me proceed with the needed commands but when I restart it takes me to the menu to press 4 and so I entered the commands with spacing but it
https://postimg.cc/xqXXCDLf
I need a new User name /password to work with for this to work;
like TEMP1 qwertym ? Can I do that?
Robert
There is a space character between the password "querty1" and the /ADD command.
Paul
Paul wrote:it says no user.
On 12/24/2023 12:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear. >>>>>>
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft
didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing. >>>>>>
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member. >>>>>> You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password
is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
I tried again but it still see's the first attempt account and says there's a duplicate account and doesn't let me proceed with the needed commands but when I restart it takes me to the menu to press 4 and so I entered the commands with spacing but
https://postimg.cc/xqXXCDLf
I need a new User name /password to work with for this to work;
like TEMP1 qwertym ? Can I do that?
Robert
There is a space character between the password "querty1" and the /ADD command.
Paul
I tried again,... I don't know if it worked or not
but it took the commands.
https://postimg.cc/VdtvVwzH
How do I verify it?
What now?
Robert
On 12/24/2023 10:17 PM, Robert in CA wrote:it says no user.
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 12:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear. >>>>>>>
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft >>>>>>> didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing. >>>>>>>
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member. >>>>>>> You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password >>>>>>> is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
I tried again but it still see's the first attempt account and says there's a duplicate account and doesn't let me proceed with the needed commands but when I restart it takes me to the menu to press 4 and so I entered the commands with spacing but
https://postimg.cc/xqXXCDLf
I need a new User name /password to work with for this to work;
like TEMP1 qwertym ? Can I do that?
Robert
There is a space character between the password "querty1" and the /ADD command.
Paul
I tried again,... I don't know if it worked or not
but it took the commands.
https://postimg.cc/VdtvVwzH
How do I verify it?
What now?
Robert
This is where we are now:
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # You have successfully created account TEMP, with a password
# You should not need to enter this command again, as now
# TEMP is a login item (on next reboot, it will be listed.
net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD # The space between LOCAL and GROUP should be removed.
# LOCALGROUP is a reference to the setting of membership
# in a non-domain group.
Once you issue this last command to make the account belong to administrators, you should be done.
This is the only account preventing us from "owning" our own computer :-) This command, you do it in the administrators "hacker window".
net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
Then the TEMP account is ready to be used for a login.
If, after using the administrators window, you login to any
of the accounts on the left for which you have a password,
you should be able to review your handiwork. For example,
once the LOCALGROUP command has been entered, you can do this.
net user TEMP # review account exists, and belongs to Administrators
Even as Lowboy (my unelevated test account), I am able
to list the details of the accounts. I have removed extraneous lines
so only the relevant parts are listed.
*******
PS C:\Users\Lowboy> net user lowboy
User name Lowboy
Local Group Memberships *Users <=== Lowboy account, can check the accounts. No Administrators here.
Global Group memberships *None
The command completed successfully.
PS C:\Users\Lowboy> net user bullwinkle
User name bullwinkle
Local Group Memberships *Administrators <=== Bullwinkle is how I control the machine
Global Group memberships *None This will be the TEMP account, when you are done.
The command completed successfully. net user TEMP will dump the details.
*******
Paul
Success ! I went into disk management and
took a pic for you then shutdown the 780.
https://postimg.cc/JsZMWw46 # Successful LOCALGROUP command on account TEMP
https://postimg.cc/k23PsjFx
https://postimg.cc/94c55rk0 # In Safe Mode
https://postimg.cc/c62p1DzV # First partition SR/Active,589MB,0x27 Second Parititon C: 1862.45GB, 2TB drive, MSDOS part
Next we go into accounts and delete the other
account with the pin numbers correct?
After that I need to bring over my A?V suite
and we'll do the mediacreationtool as soon as
I get the DVD's. bookmarks,. my Documents
etc.
Robert
On 12/24/2023 10:17 PM, Robert in CA wrote:it says no user.
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 12:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 4:52 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/24/2023 3:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't understand where I get the CMD prompt after
pressing:
re- restart to WBM with safe mode 4
It just restarted normally but didn't give me any CMD
prompt options. Up till that point it worked according to
your instructions.
Was I suppose to put in the Rescue media before pressing 4
and then select it when it restarted? Then select the CMD
prompt from macrium?
Robert
When the Safe Mode login screen appears, you press the
Shift key five times. A Command Prompt window will magically appear. >>>>>>>
Remember, this is the "hack step" :-) This is the thing Microsoft >>>>>>> didn't want to happen. You press the Shift key five times, the
administrator window opens, no login procedure, no password, nothing. >>>>>>>
Then you get to work, and carry out your devious hacker plan
for machine control.
MAKE ONE COMPLETELY WORKING ACCOUNT, PLEASE.
If the password for Rob is working, then you won't need to
reset the Rob password, while you are there. The very last line
the helper used at the bottom of this, demonstrates how the
daily driver account, has its password reset. So not only
can you use LOCALGROUP to make Rob an Administrators group member. >>>>>>> You can also reset the password there, if resetting the password >>>>>>> is absolutely necessary.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-reset-forgotten-password-using-net-user/a8b44a62-3903-4023-9bf8-62b2eb237d2e
Plan your mission, collect the set of commands needed for the
mission, then it's back to the Safe Mode procedure, to get the
machine ready for the attack. In Safe Mode, Windows Defender
cannot stop you. When the Safe Mode login appears, hit the
SHift key five times. Shazam. You're the administrator.
Paul
I tried again but it said there was already a user by that name so I restarted it but it came up with the menu and I pressed safe mode 4 and this time I tapped 5 times and the CMD
prompt appeared. However it didn't like the commands.
It already had
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
so I just added, net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
thus
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>net user TEMP qwertyl /ADD
It said DNS server not authoritative for zone
I tried it again and then is said
https://postimg.cc/jwbR3fk2
https://postimg.cc/jCRszz7k
The user name could not be found
so I exited, and rebooted the computer.
Were getting closer but still not there and because I tried
before the computer remembers it sees the other user name.
Robert
There is a space between the password and the next command
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD
^
|
+--- Space goes there. I used three spaces for emphasis.
Paul
I tried again but it still see's the first attempt account and says there's a duplicate account and doesn't let me proceed with the needed commands but when I restart it takes me to the menu to press 4 and so I entered the commands with spacing but
https://postimg.cc/xqXXCDLf
I need a new User name /password to work with for this to work;
like TEMP1 qwertym ? Can I do that?
Robert
There is a space character between the password "querty1" and the /ADD command.
Paul
I tried again,... I don't know if it worked or not
but it took the commands.
https://postimg.cc/VdtvVwzH
How do I verify it?
What now?
Robert
This is where we are now:
net user TEMP qwerty1 /ADD # You have successfully created account TEMP, with a password
# You should not need to enter this command again, as now
# TEMP is a login item (on next reboot, it will be listed.
net LOCAL GROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD # The space between LOCAL and GROUP should be removed.
# LOCALGROUP is a reference to the setting of membership
# in a non-domain group.
Once you issue this last command to make the account belong to administrators, you should be done.
This is the only account preventing us from "owning" our own computer :-) This command, you do it in the administrators "hacker window".
net LOCALGROUP Administrators TEMP /ADD
Then the TEMP account is ready to be used for a login.
If, after using the administrators window, you login to any
of the accounts on the left for which you have a password,
you should be able to review your handiwork. For example,
once the LOCALGROUP command has been entered, you can do this.
net user TEMP # review account exists, and belongs to Administrators
Even as Lowboy (my unelevated test account), I am able
to list the details of the accounts. I have removed extraneous lines
so only the relevant parts are listed.
*******
PS C:\Users\Lowboy> net user lowboy
User name Lowboy
Local Group Memberships *Users <=== Lowboy account, can check the accounts. No Administrators here.
Global Group memberships *None
The command completed successfully.
PS C:\Users\Lowboy> net user bullwinkle
User name bullwinkle
Local Group Memberships *Administrators <=== Bullwinkle is how I control the machine
Global Group memberships *None This will be the TEMP account, when you are done.
The command completed successfully. net user TEMP will dump the details.
*******
Paul
On 12/25/2023 2:06 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success ! I went into disk management and
took a pic for you then shutdown the 780.
https://postimg.cc/JsZMWw46 # Successful LOCALGROUP command on account TEMP
https://postimg.cc/k23PsjFx
https://postimg.cc/94c55rk0 # In Safe Mode
https://postimg.cc/c62p1DzV # First partition SR/Active,589MB,0x27 Second Parititon C: 1862.45GB, 2TB drive, MSDOS part
Next we go into accounts and delete the other
account with the pin numbers correct?
After that I need to bring over my A?V suite
and we'll do the mediacreationtool as soon as
I get the DVD's. bookmarks,. my Documents
etc.
Robert
So that means, you can now do maintenance, if you log in as TEMP.
You should be able to do
net user TEMP # Review details of TEMP account, verify administrators is present
If the TEMP account is looking good, you can turn the hack off
from the Macrium LiveCD Command Prompt window. Using the diagram
I posted with the instructions for the hack.
If you want to make Rob an Administrator now, you can do it.
In an Administrator Powershell, you can switch to cmd.exe like this, and do it.
Switching to cmd.exe , is necessary some times when you cannot trust the Powershell environment with the execution of one of these commands.
cmd.exe
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
You can then do
net user Rob
and verify Rob is now an administrator.
And if Robs password is not working, you should be able to fix that too.
As TEMP, you should be able to override Robs local password, but not PIN or cloud MSA password.
net user Rob NewPasswordGoesHere # Pick a better password than that...
*******
+-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | System Reserved 589MB Active | C: <Boot> 1862.45GB 1806 free | MSDOS partitioned, suited to Optiplex 780
+-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
Your C: drive could use a label. In File Explorer, do Properties on it.
The label allows you to assign a short text string like "OrigW10"
or "Refurb10", so at a later date, you will remember which OS that is.
There might be one backup sitting in the C: partition somewhere.
You can shrink C: from the Disk Management pane. Right click C: and
there should be a "Shrink Volume" option. You can, for example,
easily accept the defaults,
"Enter the amount of space to shrink" <=== the amount will only be half of 1862, or about 931 or so.
the field might read 931*1024= 953344 Megabytes
There is some metadata, which is half way out on the C: partition,
and the Microsoft software refuses to move it. Many third party
partition managers will agree to move it.
There are a couple ways you can achieve a more precise shrink (to about 76GB).
1) Paragon Partition Manager Free Edition (64-bit)
https://download.cnet.com/paragon-partition-manager-free-edition-64-bit/3000-2248_4-10904411.html
2) If you do a backup of that C: partition to an external disk, then do
a restore on top of C:, one of the options is to "resize the partition".
You can use the resize control during the restore procedure, to achieve a
76GB partition, with all the original files in place.
*******
I don't want to overwhelm you with work.
I'm just celebrating we might be in control.
There's no big rush to do things, and they can be done one at a time.
But at least now, if you need to do something as Administrator,
you have a few more options.
Paul
I removed the hack,..
https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
Sign out
Sleep
Shutdown
Restart
I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
only one with the TEMP account.
I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
Robert
On 12/25/2023 2:06 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success ! I went into disk management and
took a pic for you then shutdown the 780.
https://postimg.cc/JsZMWw46 # Successful LOCALGROUP command on account TEMP
https://postimg.cc/k23PsjFx
https://postimg.cc/94c55rk0 # In Safe Mode
https://postimg.cc/c62p1DzV # First partition SR/Active,589MB,0x27 Second Parititon C: 1862.45GB, 2TB drive, MSDOS part
Next we go into accounts and delete the other
account with the pin numbers correct?
After that I need to bring over my A?V suite
and we'll do the mediacreationtool as soon as
I get the DVD's. bookmarks,. my Documents
etc.
Robert
So that means, you can now do maintenance, if you log in as TEMP.
You should be able to do
net user TEMP # Review details of TEMP account, verify administrators is present
If the TEMP account is looking good, you can turn the hack off
from the Macrium LiveCD Command Prompt window. Using the diagram
I posted with the instructions for the hack.
If you want to make Rob an Administrator now, you can do it.
In an Administrator Powershell, you can switch to cmd.exe like this, and do it.
Switching to cmd.exe , is necessary some times when you cannot trust the Powershell environment with the execution of one of these commands.
cmd.exe
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
You can then do
net user Rob
and verify Rob is now an administrator.
And if Robs password is not working, you should be able to fix that too.
As TEMP, you should be able to override Robs local password, but not PIN or cloud MSA password.
net user Rob NewPasswordGoesHere # Pick a better password than that...
*******
+-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | System Reserved 589MB Active | C: <Boot> 1862.45GB 1806 free | MSDOS partitioned, suited to Optiplex 780
+-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
Your C: drive could use a label. In File Explorer, do Properties on it.
The label allows you to assign a short text string like "OrigW10"
or "Refurb10", so at a later date, you will remember which OS that is.
There might be one backup sitting in the C: partition somewhere.
You can shrink C: from the Disk Management pane. Right click C: and
there should be a "Shrink Volume" option. You can, for example,
easily accept the defaults,
"Enter the amount of space to shrink" <=== the amount will only be half of 1862, or about 931 or so.
the field might read 931*1024= 953344 Megabytes
There is some metadata, which is half way out on the C: partition,
and the Microsoft software refuses to move it. Many third party
partition managers will agree to move it.
There are a couple ways you can achieve a more precise shrink (to about 76GB).
1) Paragon Partition Manager Free Edition (64-bit)
https://download.cnet.com/paragon-partition-manager-free-edition-64-bit/3000-2248_4-10904411.html
2) If you do a backup of that C: partition to an external disk, then do
a restore on top of C:, one of the options is to "resize the partition".
You can use the resize control during the restore procedure, to achieve a
76GB partition, with all the original files in place.
*******
I don't want to overwhelm you with work.
I'm just celebrating we might be in control.
There's no big rush to do things, and they can be done one at a time.
But at least now, if you need to do something as Administrator,
you have a few more options.
Paul
On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I removed the hack,..
https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish >> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
Sign out
Sleep
Shutdown
Restart
I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
only one with the TEMP account.
I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
Robert
Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0
But other menus have "Switch User".
Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user. Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
So yes, you can move between sessions.
*******
Let's do your images
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
# I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.
When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
the details as you see fit.
control /name microsoft.useraccounts
click "Manage another account"
take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
Paul
I was reading through your post trying to absorb it all,...whew!
when I got to your part about not trying to overwhelm me just
celebrating were in control *L* I pretty pleased about it myself.
I just want to have a Admin Account and a User Account. I would
rather leave Rob as a User but is there a way to turn off having to
login every time? I only do that on my Admin Accounts. That's
why I thought Rob was an Admin account at first. If I make Rob
a Admin Account then I need to make a User Account to take it's
place.
Can I also change the name of the Admin Account from TEMP to
something else? I would also have to change Rob to something else
because I use that for me User Accounts.
Also, the two Rob's reappeared.
I was thinking of adding my A/V suite, bookmarks, My Documents,
installing Dell Imaging, Word, Excel.
Why are we doing the partitioning again and will my other mrimgs
work afterwards?
Also, could you remind me again of what were using the MediaCtreationTool for?
Is it to upgrade Win10 and/or create Win 10 hd's from Win 7 hd's?
So much to take in,.... but at least we got it elevated and working
thanks to all your good help.
Thanks,
Robert
I did a few more things
https://postimg.cc/grtbnkfx
https://postimg.cc/7CnpDx3Y
https://postimg.cc/Z0MXJsd3
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I removed the hack,..
https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but >>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish >>> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
Sign out
Sleep
Shutdown
Restart
I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was >>> only one with the TEMP account.
I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
Robert
Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0
But other menus have "Switch User".
Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user. >> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
So yes, you can move between sessions.
*******
Let's do your images
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
# I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.
When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
the details as you see fit.
control /name microsoft.useraccounts
click "Manage another account"
take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
Paul
Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
I followed your instructions :
https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
Admin Account.
Robert
On 12/25/2023 11:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I removed the hack,..
https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but >>>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
Sign out
Sleep
Shutdown
Restart
I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other >>>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I >>>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was >>>> only one with the TEMP account.
I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780. >>>>
Robert
Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0
But other menus have "Switch User".
Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user. >>> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
So yes, you can move between sessions.
*******
Let's do your images
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
# I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.
When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
the details as you see fit.
control /name microsoft.useraccounts
click "Manage another account"
take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
Paul
Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
I followed your instructions :
https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
Admin Account.
Robert
You only have two accounts now. If you need to change an account name,
like change TEMP to LtCommander, then you would make a new account for that.
DO NOT delete TEMP, until the LTCommander account is made, if that's your plan.
Using "netplwiz", set up Rob again to use a password at Login, and
see, after a reboot, whether Rob behaves normally or not.
It seems, the thing you are experiencing, is caused by "netplwiz"
being done with the wrong password. Did you reset the password on Rob ?
The netplwiz password override now no longer matches the new Rob password.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/windows-10-showing-two-accounts-at-login/m-p/1658066
If so, you need to use netplwiz again, remove the lack of need to enter
a password, and verify the extra account disappeared (by rebooting).
Then enter netplwiz again, and enter the correct password for Rob.
And maybe this time, you will get Rob to start without entering a password,.
Paul
On 12/25/2023 11:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I removed the hack,..
https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but >>>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
Sign out
Sleep
Shutdown
Restart
I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other >>>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I >>>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was >>>> only one with the TEMP account.
I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780. >>>>
Robert
Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0
But other menus have "Switch User".
Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user. >>> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
So yes, you can move between sessions.
*******
Let's do your images
https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
# I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.
When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
the details as you see fit.
control /name microsoft.useraccounts
click "Manage another account"
take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
Paul
Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
I followed your instructions :
https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
Admin Account.
Robert
You only have two accounts now. If you need to change an account name,
like change TEMP to LtCommander, then you would make a new account for that.
DO NOT delete TEMP, until the LTCommander account is made, if that's your plan.
Using "netplwiz", set up Rob again to use a password at Login, and
see, after a reboot, whether Rob behaves normally or not.
It seems, the thing you are experiencing, is caused by "netplwiz"
being done with the wrong password. Did you reset the password on Rob ?
The netplwiz password override now no longer matches the new Rob password.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/windows-10-showing-two-accounts-at-login/m-p/1658066
If so, you need to use netplwiz again, remove the lack of need to enter
a password, and verify the extra account disappeared (by rebooting).
Then enter netplwiz again, and enter the correct password for Rob.
And maybe this time, you will get Rob to start without entering a password,.
Paul
I tried to add a Admin Account but it didn't have
C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
It had
C:\\Users\TEMP>
So the command failed.
https://postimg.cc/B8RHkb3y
I added Dell Image Expert 2000 to the Win 10 and had to
also install Quicktime with it. I also installed Word and Excel.
Robert
I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?
Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
since we have Sea Monkey working.
Robert
On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download? >>
Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
since we have Sea Monkey working.
Robert
I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
That's a website in Ireland.
Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot
of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify it is legitimate.
You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download? >>>
Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
since we have Sea Monkey working.
Robert
I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
That's a website in Ireland.
Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot >> of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically >> anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify >> it is legitimate.
You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
Paul
I’m on the 780 Seamonkey,.. I had to set it up
I tried to download the medicacreationtool but it doesn’t
give an option to saving it elsewhere. I tried to copy paste
to a DVD but it didn’t work. Also don’t I need to order the
DVD+RDL’s for this because its so big?
https://postimg.cc/BjM6Ngfn
I tried again and entered Start: Run: cmd.exe
Then I tried shift-control-enter but it did not change.
It kept the C:\\Users\TEMP>
Robert
On 12/26/2023 7:07 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download? >>>>
Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
since we have Sea Monkey working.
Robert
I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
That's a website in Ireland.
Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot >>> of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically >>> anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify
it is legitimate.
You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
Paul
I’m on the 780 Seamonkey,.. I had to set it up
I tried to download the medicacreationtool but it doesn’t
give an option to saving it elsewhere. I tried to copy paste
to a DVD but it didn’t work. Also don’t I need to order the
DVD+RDL’s for this because its so big?
https://postimg.cc/BjM6Ngfn
I tried again and entered Start: Run: cmd.exe
Then I tried shift-control-enter but it did not change.
It kept the C:\\Users\TEMP>
Robert
The mediacreationtool22H2.exe is likely in your Downloads folder.
It is an executable. When you run it, you tell it you are
"preparing media for another user". That causes it to deposit
a Windows.iso , rather than burning something or making USB sticks
or whatever.
Find the executable.
Run it.
Tell it you're making media for another user.
It should make a x64 Windows.iso, as that's the one you are
most likely to use.
After an hour or so, maybe it will be downloaded. Then it should finish up.
Do not get confused when it finishes up. As long as the Windows.iso is
in the Downloads folder, do not get tricked into doing anything else,
such as getting tricked to use the DVD burner. None of that is needed
right now. Besides, you have to check the size and notice it is
slightly bigger than 4,700,000,000 but not by much. The MediaCreationTool version is smaller than the Linux version. But still not small enough :-/
*******
I don't understand why you Run box is not behaving like mine.
Here is mine. Review and see if you can spot something which
matters, which is different than yours. I'm using the TEMP acct now.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Znf71xhf/elevated-cmd-using-TEMP-acct.gif
Paul
I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then
I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot?Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
Robert
On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then
Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot?
then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
Robert
MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
don't put it on a DVD.
MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
item that will not fit a DVD properly.
The MediaCreationTool is
Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
fairly small by comparison.
If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
which are big enough.
This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
*******
In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
*******
In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
the search box.
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
I was referring to starting it this way.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
Paul
Paul wrote:then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want
Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot?
then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
Robert
MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
don't put it on a DVD.
MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
item that will not fit a DVD properly.
The MediaCreationTool is
Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
fairly small by comparison.
If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
which are big enough.
This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
*******
In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
*******
In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
the search box.
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
I was referring to starting it this way.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
Paul
I'm a leery of doing the MediaCreationTool on TEMP Account and possibly messing it up after all our work.did on the User Account to make this work.
Nevertheless, I went to the TEMP Account to try it but it's like a brand new account with nothing on it. I can't do anything on there and Edge started with their set-up. The account is totally bare and un-workable. We would have to repeat everything we
I have no clue as to how to start the MediaCreationTool from here because I don't know how to use Edge to gain the site to click the link.
I also clicked run and entered cmd.exe but it still came up with User TEMP and I tried the shift-ctrl-enter and nothing happened. Same as before.
Robert
On 12/27/2023 10:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
Paul wrote:
On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want
Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the
then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work
we did on the User Account to make this work.
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
Robert
MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
don't put it on a DVD.
MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
item that will not fit a DVD properly.
The MediaCreationTool is
Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
fairly small by comparison.
If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
which are big enough.
This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
*******
In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
*******
In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
the search box.
https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
I was referring to starting it this way.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
Paul
I'm a leery of doing the MediaCreationTool on TEMP Account and possibly messing it up after all our work.
Nevertheless, I went to the TEMP Account to try it but it's like a brand new account with nothing on it. I can't do anything on there and Edge started with their set-up. The account is totally bare and un-workable. We would have to repeat everything
I have no clue as to how to start the MediaCreationTool from here because I don't know how to use Edge to gain the site to click the link.
I also clicked run and entered cmd.exe but it still came up with User TEMP and I tried the shift-ctrl-enter and nothing happened. Same as before.
Robert
Doing a quick Google, it appears holding down control and shift, then pressing Enter, isn't a "reliable" key sequence. Apparently some people
have software loaded, where only using the right side control-shift plus enter works (all three keys next to one another). I don't have Office loaded here, so my machine is pretty barren of silly behaviors.
There are two issues then. How the keyboard behaves. And whether the
keyboard is hooked and functions being used globally perhaps.
My cheap Cicero PS-2 keyboard on this machine, either side works for me.
This person is a book writer and a programmer, and in the Win95 era, he
made a little program to view key presses. It's not "osk.exe" by any means, but it presents the info a little differently.
http://www.charlespetzold.com/src/ProgWin5.zip
Name: ProgWin5.zip
Size: 10,352,979 bytes (10110 KiB)
SHA256: 70B860EEEAE77A0B9E37A75BE9CD0D5EE1380DAE57251EFA44C441586E5E60FB
Name: KeyView2.exe <=== keyboard viewer program inside the ZIP file
Size: 24576 bytes (24 KiB)
SHA256: A4C85DE4B88386CAF9B856567F16FFF45106AD6EAD895D7972D01A84E9324BCC
This is a demo, of pressing the individual keys on first the left side,
then the right side, then trying the non-numeric Enter key. You cannot hold down any key too long with this program, or the repeat function is triggered (only the program sees this, in regular usage, the modifier keys should not repeat
like that to the OS).
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/442DCQ5k/Using-Keyview2-EXE-keyboard-debug.gif
You can try keyview2.exe and see if your keyboard produces similar output to mine.
Or, if you cannot work the above sequence, try the TEMP account test again, only this time hold down right-shift and right-control, then press the Enter next to them. In the Run box for launching elevated cmd.exe .
*******
The MediaCreationTool22H2.exe is not going to hurt anything. The way you are going to use it "create Media for another machine", it is just going to make Windows.iso . Which you will rename to Windows10-22H2.iso so the version is evident.
Even if you were to trigger an OS installation sequence, it stops and
asks you what you want to do, so you can stop it.
*******
From the TEMP account (C:\users\TEMP\Downloads would be the normal work area)
you can navigate from the top of C: to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
copy the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe you put in there, into C:\users\TEMP\Downloads .
That is if you want a copy, without using MSEdge in the barren TEMP account.
The TEMP user, should be able to navigate to any user folder. Whereas
the un-elevated Rob account, might not be able to do an implicit Takeown
and access the contents of the TEMP downloads folder.
The TEMP account then, is ideally suited for the whole job. It can snarf
the needed file from Rob\Downloads when it needs access to MediaCreationTool22H2.exe .
*******
Remember now, you're Elevated, like a God, enjoy yourself :-)
You own the machine, nothing stands in your way.
If you left a copy of the Firefox installer in Rob\Downloads,
you can grab a copy from there and so on.
Paul
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and itsits flat.
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h # The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h # The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h # The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I clicked on your first link and read through it all, whew,..with the 8200.It's a great speaker system. So I thought I would duplicate it on then 780.
then clicked on your second link without knowing it was a download.
I'm on the 8500 so I can't scan it. I'll do it on the 780 and see what happens.
I downloaded it and scanned it then clicked it and saw a screen flash on/off with data. Am I suppose to run it as Administrator?
I haven't made a MediaCreationTool yet because it won't let me proceed. I only have your link. I don't want to risk the 8500. I'll change the HD in the 780 back to Win 7 and try to put it on a Patriot again.
I ordered the DVD+RDL's and will get a Patriot also and some SD-cards.
I also ordered a Hardon Karden base module for speakers and I have (2)
sets of satellites from the time my circuits were blown I just had to replace the base module so I ended up with 2 extra sets of satellite speakers that plug into it that form a speaker system. It's the same one I have on the 8500. It originally came
Robert
Paul wrote:sits flat.
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000 >>
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. >> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
Paul wrote:
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. >>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got >>> some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658 >>>
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.
To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
*******
As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem (which is something Windows Update would use).
The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.
*******
If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another machine, and that should just be a download.
Paul
On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
Paul wrote:
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. >>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got >>> some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658 >>>
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.
To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
*******
As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem (which is something Windows Update would use).
The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.
*******
If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another machine, and that should just be a download.
Paul
On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
Paul wrote:
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. >>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got >>> some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658 >>>
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.
To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
*******
As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem (which is something Windows Update would use).
The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.
*******
If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another machine, and that should just be a download.
Paul
On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:sits flat.
Paul wrote:
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD. >>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got >>> some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658 >>>
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.
To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
*******
As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem (which is something Windows Update would use).
The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.
*******
If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another machine, and that should just be a download.
Paul
Paul wrote:it sits flat.
On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and
I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
I did and then got this
There was a problem downloading some files.
We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
Seems like nothing is working,..
Robert
I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt. >>>>
C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.
We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
The program still seems to have the same name as before.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>
The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.
*******
The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got >>>> some time ago.
Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658 >>>>
Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
Paul
I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
Robert
Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.
To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline >> scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might >> be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
*******
As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem
(which is something Windows Update would use).
The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.
*******
If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when >> it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another
machine, and that should just be a download.
Paul
I tried to do the Err_6.4.5.exe command tool on the 780 Win 7 but it also has the same problem of C:\\ UserRob and I can't get it to the C: prompt. I checked and the 8500 has the same problem.
We can't get either computer to the C: prompt unless we use the Macrium Rescue CD. That's how we hacked it but it's not letting us change the User.Rob Account's to the C:
prompt and both computers have this. I just checked the the 8500 Admin Account is the same way. All the computers are on un-elevated accounts and we can't elevate them
btw in Win 10 you had me right click then click run and enter cmd but how do I do it in Win 7 ? The only way I know of is to use the search box that's why I did it in Win 10.
Postimage is working again, here's the images I wanted to show you.
https://postimg.cc/62tqSjL9 UAC prompt from Rob account, to run MediaCreationTool
https://postimg.cc/7CmrHKrP File Explorer -- where MediaCreationTool is located
https://postimg.cc/SjY33SRx Problem downloading files 0x80072EE2-20000
https://postimg.cc/D8VHK94d
However, as I said, I was able to finally download the MedicaCreationTool and put it on the Patriot.
I don't know if the scrolling was related to it,..I had been scrolling down the page
looking for your link to download and had found it and was reading the screen and my hand was off the mouse when it started scrolling on its own! That was weird! and the screens going crazy all on their own I didn't touch anything.
Like I said I opened Task Manager to check but I was the only one logged on. After that everything was normal again. It's like I had a Close Encounter *L*
Did you want me to run the Windows Defender scan?
So your saying we don' need to do a command prompt etc for the MediaCreationTool that was only for the Err_6.4.5.exe command tool? Understood, but you don't actually want me to insert the Patriot and run it do you ? it would write over the OS.
Robert
Newegg cancelled my oder for the DVD+RDL's
https://postimg.cc/MvmVqVM9
What are we using the DVD+RDL's for again?
Robert
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
I understand that if I run the MediaCreationTool that it has safeguards to prevent it from overwriting the current OS but are you asking me to run it and is that what you wanted me to do and put it on the DVD+RDL's ? If so, I need to re-order them.
I understand the Err_6.4.5.exe but we cannot get to the command prompt except via Macrium and the Rescue CD.
I still propose we use the Macrium Rescue CD to get to the command prompt and let me finish the Lieutentant Admin Account with a new password which it should accept.
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant TEMP /ADD
So I need to fix the error code in the MediaCreationTool first?
I watched most of the video,, whew!!!
OK, it's simplified and as you say I can do my MediaCreationTool on the Admin Account to elevate it but again if I run it where is it going to?
I also need to switch hd's again for all this.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
OK, so I do have it right,... then we need to wait
to do this because they cancelled my order.
I can't use Amazon because there's a snafu with my
account and the RAM I tried to buy through them. I
like jewel boxes, it keeps the disks clean.
I could try driving to Staples tomorrow see if they
have some Verbatim 8.5 GB DVD+RDL's and I'll get some
sd-cards.
In the meantime we can finish creating my Admin Account.
for Lieutenant.
Robert
On 12/29/2023 9:53 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/29/2023 2:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
I was reading through the Windows Denfender offline instructions
and it has to be used on a elevated Admin Account. So we can't do
it.
Robert
You can log into the TEMP account and run it there.
Paul
OK, so I do have it right,... then we need to wait
to do this because they cancelled my order.
I can't use Amazon because there's a snafu with my
account and the RAM I tried to buy through them. I
like jewel boxes, it keeps the disks clean.
I could try driving to Staples tomorrow see if they
have some Verbatim 8.5 GB DVD+RDL's and I'll get some
sd-cards.
In the meantime we can finish creating my Admin Account.
for Lieutenant.
Robert
There's no rush for this.
Work on it as time permits.
Securing the file is one step.
If optical media was not available, you can put
boot materials on a USB flash stick. Which is a
more expensive method than the cost of a single DVD.
But if some day, optical media is less available out
there, a USB stick will still work.
Paul
I went to Staples, Target and Walmart looking
for the Verbatim 5.8 DVD+RDL's and none of them
had any. Only DVD-R's and damn few. They were
all very under stocked. So I ordered them through
eBay the same way I bought the RAM. I did
manage to get two 64 GB SD- Cards.
When you say to have a Windows 10 installer file
you mean on the DVD+RDL's correct? That's why you
want me to run the MediaCreationTool.
I have the MedicaCreationTool on the Patriot and
as soon as I get the DVD+RDL's we can start the
process of running it and downloading it to create
the Win 10 installer file on Win 7 Admin Account
so its elevated.
On the 8500 when I right click the Start button
it says Properties and Open Windows Explorer
I thought Powershell was cmd prompt based?
Is this Powershell?
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Of course I will replace the XXXXXX with a
more secure password so the program will
accept it this time.
Let me re-read the Windows Defender
instructions, and I'll do that.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
On 12/29/2023 3:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went to Staples, Target and Walmart looking
for the Verbatim 5.8 DVD+RDL's and none of them
had any. Only DVD-R's and damn few. They were
all very under stocked. So I ordered them through
eBay the same way I bought the RAM. I did
manage to get two 64 GB SD- Cards.
When you say to have a Windows 10 installer file
you mean on the DVD+RDL's correct? That's why you
want me to run the MediaCreationTool.
I have the MedicaCreationTool on the Patriot and
as soon as I get the DVD+RDL's we can start the
process of running it and downloading it to create
the Win 10 installer file on Win 7 Admin Account
so its elevated.
On the 8500 when I right click the Start button
it says Properties and Open Windows Explorer
I thought Powershell was cmd prompt based?
Is this Powershell?
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Of course I will replace the XXXXXX with a
more secure password so the program will
accept it this time.
Let me re-read the Windows Defender
instructions, and I'll do that.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
A shell, is an environment for running programs.
The Command Prompt shell, has a few convenience features
cd /d %userprofile% # Puts you in the Rob home directory
cd Downloads # Now we're near the error program we downloaded.
Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The current working directory, is a candidate for executables.
# The computer looks for Err_6.4.5 in Downloads. Very convenient.
# The %path% includes the current working directory
The Powershell shell, does not include the current working directory in the path.
I'm sure there is a tricksy way of getting to the right place, but
I don't know it at the moment.
C:
cd Users\Rob\Downloads
.\Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The .\ helps the computer to look in the current working directory
# In Powershell window, if you don't put the .\ then there will be gobs
# of red error text to read.
The syntax is different. And it's a matter of what you are familiar
with, as to which shell you might want as a default.
*******
You can modify the menu, so the Command Prompt is waiting for you.
The two flavors (one elevated) are on offer. Of course there
will be a UAC prompt, which either requires a password or does
not require a password, when you try to open the elevated one.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22882-show-command-prompt-windows-powershell-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html
In Command Prompt, you can type this to get to Powershell
powershell.exe
In Powershell, you can type this to get to Command Prompt
cmd.exe # I put the EXE on some items, to emphasize these are programs.
They put them in weird places. You don't have to know this, because the path is already
wired to pick this up.
C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe
These commands might work in both shells. But occasionally, I try to do something
like this in Powershell, it silently fails, and I'm left to wonder what it was about the syntax that caused a malfunction. That's why I still have
a bit of a bias to using Command Prompt. Stuff usually works there.
These commands do not access the current working directory. We don't
need to CD anywhere, to run these. We could even be in the X: partition for example,
and these would still run.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
*******
Just remember this part.
*Don't* drag-and-drop Windows.iso onto the DVD drive.
If you use an application like Imgburn, it "converts" the ISO
file into a bootable DVD.
MediaCreationTool22H2 has its own converter too. If you make it
handle the Windows.iso file for you, it can burn write-once
media. The built-in converter, works less well with re-writeable
media, and I don't know if Microsoft ever fixed that.
But I like saving the Windows.iso for later. For example, if you
are doing a Repair Install, you can right click the ISO and select
mount. Or, you can go into File Explorer, select an ISO and select "Open", and that causes the ISO to mount too. Once mounted, you can run Setup.exe
off the ISO, and that kicks off a Repair Install. In a Repair Install
then, you don't need your DVD media, as you can run the install right
off the ISO file itself.
It's for Clean Installs, or if you need to do some maintenance (CHKDSK
when computer is broken), that's when we need some boot media for the job.
At the current time, the signs are, your OS is not clean. It had the
foreign account in it, which tells me the OS started life on someone
elses computer. If you make backup copies of it, if you make emergency
boot OSes based on it, well, it's history is not clean. We don't really
know how much malware is on there, if any.
I'm trying to make sure you have materials on hand, for a *meltdown*. OK ?
I'm not claiming anything is melted right now. But like having boats to lower on a ship, I want emergency equipment which is ready to use :-)
I probably have around a terabyte of ISOs on the computers here.
There are lots of things I can boot or burn, when needed. Much of
it is junk, but I don't throw it away. by now, I probably have ten or fifteen Windows.iso files, each one with the version recorded in the name. If
someone says "what was the OS like in 2015", I have the media to check that.
I'm not making you collect media to be the Smithsonian. I want you
to have one disc as a "life raft".
Paul
On 12/29/2023 3:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went to Staples, Target and Walmart looking
for the Verbatim 5.8 DVD+RDL's and none of them
had any. Only DVD-R's and damn few. They were
all very under stocked. So I ordered them through
eBay the same way I bought the RAM. I did
manage to get two 64 GB SD- Cards.
When you say to have a Windows 10 installer file
you mean on the DVD+RDL's correct? That's why you
want me to run the MediaCreationTool.
I have the MedicaCreationTool on the Patriot and
as soon as I get the DVD+RDL's we can start the
process of running it and downloading it to create
the Win 10 installer file on Win 7 Admin Account
so its elevated.
On the 8500 when I right click the Start button
it says Properties and Open Windows Explorer
I thought Powershell was cmd prompt based?
Is this Powershell?
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Of course I will replace the XXXXXX with a
more secure password so the program will
accept it this time.
Let me re-read the Windows Defender
instructions, and I'll do that.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
A shell, is an environment for running programs.
The Command Prompt shell, has a few convenience features
cd /d %userprofile% # Puts you in the Rob home directory
cd Downloads # Now we're near the error program we downloaded.
Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The current working directory, is a candidate for executables.
# The computer looks for Err_6.4.5 in Downloads. Very convenient.
# The %path% includes the current working directory
The Powershell shell, does not include the current working directory in the path.
I'm sure there is a tricksy way of getting to the right place, but
I don't know it at the moment.
C:
cd Users\Rob\Downloads
.\Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The .\ helps the computer to look in the current working directory
# In Powershell window, if you don't put the .\ then there will be gobs
# of red error text to read.
The syntax is different. And it's a matter of what you are familiar
with, as to which shell you might want as a default.
*******
You can modify the menu, so the Command Prompt is waiting for you.
The two flavors (one elevated) are on offer. Of course there
will be a UAC prompt, which either requires a password or does
not require a password, when you try to open the elevated one.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22882-show-command-prompt-windows-powershell-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html
In Command Prompt, you can type this to get to Powershell
powershell.exe
In Powershell, you can type this to get to Command Prompt
cmd.exe # I put the EXE on some items, to emphasize these are programs.
They put them in weird places. You don't have to know this, because the path is already
wired to pick this up.
C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe
These commands might work in both shells. But occasionally, I try to do something
like this in Powershell, it silently fails, and I'm left to wonder what it was about the syntax that caused a malfunction. That's why I still have
a bit of a bias to using Command Prompt. Stuff usually works there.
These commands do not access the current working directory. We don't
need to CD anywhere, to run these. We could even be in the X: partition for example,
and these would still run.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
*******
Just remember this part.
*Don't* drag-and-drop Windows.iso onto the DVD drive.
If you use an application like Imgburn, it "converts" the ISO
file into a bootable DVD.
MediaCreationTool22H2 has its own converter too. If you make it
handle the Windows.iso file for you, it can burn write-once
media. The built-in converter, works less well with re-writeable
media, and I don't know if Microsoft ever fixed that.
But I like saving the Windows.iso for later. For example, if you
are doing a Repair Install, you can right click the ISO and select
mount. Or, you can go into File Explorer, select an ISO and select "Open", and that causes the ISO to mount too. Once mounted, you can run Setup.exe
off the ISO, and that kicks off a Repair Install. In a Repair Install
then, you don't need your DVD media, as you can run the install right
off the ISO file itself.
It's for Clean Installs, or if you need to do some maintenance (CHKDSK
when computer is broken), that's when we need some boot media for the job.
At the current time, the signs are, your OS is not clean. It had the
foreign account in it, which tells me the OS started life on someone
elses computer. If you make backup copies of it, if you make emergency
boot OSes based on it, well, it's history is not clean. We don't really
know how much malware is on there, if any.
I'm trying to make sure you have materials on hand, for a *meltdown*. OK ?
I'm not claiming anything is melted right now. But like having boats to lower on a ship, I want emergency equipment which is ready to use :-)
I probably have around a terabyte of ISOs on the computers here.
There are lots of things I can boot or burn, when needed. Much of
it is junk, but I don't throw it away. by now, I probably have ten or fifteen Windows.iso files, each one with the version recorded in the name. If
someone says "what was the OS like in 2015", I have the media to check that.
I'm not making you collect media to be the Smithsonian. I want you
to have one disc as a "life raft".
Paul
On 12/29/2023 3:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went to Staples, Target and Walmart looking
for the Verbatim 5.8 DVD+RDL's and none of them
had any. Only DVD-R's and damn few. They were
all very under stocked. So I ordered them through
eBay the same way I bought the RAM. I did
manage to get two 64 GB SD- Cards.
When you say to have a Windows 10 installer file
you mean on the DVD+RDL's correct? That's why you
want me to run the MediaCreationTool.
I have the MedicaCreationTool on the Patriot and
as soon as I get the DVD+RDL's we can start the
process of running it and downloading it to create
the Win 10 installer file on Win 7 Admin Account
so its elevated.
On the 8500 when I right click the Start button
it says Properties and Open Windows Explorer
I thought Powershell was cmd prompt based?
Is this Powershell?
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Of course I will replace the XXXXXX with a
more secure password so the program will
accept it this time.
Let me re-read the Windows Defender
instructions, and I'll do that.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
A shell, is an environment for running programs.
The Command Prompt shell, has a few convenience features
cd /d %userprofile% # Puts you in the Rob home directory
cd Downloads # Now we're near the error program we downloaded.
Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The current working directory, is a candidate for executables.
# The computer looks for Err_6.4.5 in Downloads. Very convenient.
# The %path% includes the current working directory
The Powershell shell, does not include the current working directory in the path.
I'm sure there is a tricksy way of getting to the right place, but
I don't know it at the moment.
C:
cd Users\Rob\Downloads
.\Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The .\ helps the computer to look in the current working directory
# In Powershell window, if you don't put the .\ then there will be gobs
# of red error text to read.
The syntax is different. And it's a matter of what you are familiar
with, as to which shell you might want as a default.
*******
You can modify the menu, so the Command Prompt is waiting for you.
The two flavors (one elevated) are on offer. Of course there
will be a UAC prompt, which either requires a password or does
not require a password, when you try to open the elevated one.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22882-show-command-prompt-windows-powershell-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html
In Command Prompt, you can type this to get to Powershell
powershell.exe
In Powershell, you can type this to get to Command Prompt
cmd.exe # I put the EXE on some items, to emphasize these are programs.
They put them in weird places. You don't have to know this, because the path is already
wired to pick this up.
C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe
These commands might work in both shells. But occasionally, I try to do something
like this in Powershell, it silently fails, and I'm left to wonder what it was about the syntax that caused a malfunction. That's why I still have
a bit of a bias to using Command Prompt. Stuff usually works there.
These commands do not access the current working directory. We don't
need to CD anywhere, to run these. We could even be in the X: partition for example,
and these would still run.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
*******
Just remember this part.
*Don't* drag-and-drop Windows.iso onto the DVD drive.
If you use an application like Imgburn, it "converts" the ISO
file into a bootable DVD.
MediaCreationTool22H2 has its own converter too. If you make it
handle the Windows.iso file for you, it can burn write-once
media. The built-in converter, works less well with re-writeable
media, and I don't know if Microsoft ever fixed that.
But I like saving the Windows.iso for later. For example, if you
are doing a Repair Install, you can right click the ISO and select
mount. Or, you can go into File Explorer, select an ISO and select "Open", and that causes the ISO to mount too. Once mounted, you can run Setup.exe
off the ISO, and that kicks off a Repair Install. In a Repair Install
then, you don't need your DVD media, as you can run the install right
off the ISO file itself.
It's for Clean Installs, or if you need to do some maintenance (CHKDSK
when computer is broken), that's when we need some boot media for the job.
At the current time, the signs are, your OS is not clean. It had the
foreign account in it, which tells me the OS started life on someone
elses computer. If you make backup copies of it, if you make emergency
boot OSes based on it, well, it's history is not clean. We don't really
know how much malware is on there, if any.
I'm trying to make sure you have materials on hand, for a *meltdown*. OK ?
I'm not claiming anything is melted right now. But like having boats to lower on a ship, I want emergency equipment which is ready to use :-)
I probably have around a terabyte of ISOs on the computers here.
There are lots of things I can boot or burn, when needed. Much of
it is junk, but I don't throw it away. by now, I probably have ten or fifteen Windows.iso files, each one with the version recorded in the name. If
someone says "what was the OS like in 2015", I have the media to check that.
I'm not making you collect media to be the Smithsonian. I want you
to have one disc as a "life raft".
Paul
On 12/29/2023 3:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went to Staples, Target and Walmart looking
for the Verbatim 5.8 DVD+RDL's and none of them
had any. Only DVD-R's and damn few. They were
all very under stocked. So I ordered them through
eBay the same way I bought the RAM. I did
manage to get two 64 GB SD- Cards.
When you say to have a Windows 10 installer file
you mean on the DVD+RDL's correct? That's why you
want me to run the MediaCreationTool.
I have the MedicaCreationTool on the Patriot and
as soon as I get the DVD+RDL's we can start the
process of running it and downloading it to create
the Win 10 installer file on Win 7 Admin Account
so its elevated.
On the 8500 when I right click the Start button
it says Properties and Open Windows Explorer
I thought Powershell was cmd prompt based?
Is this Powershell?
C:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Of course I will replace the XXXXXX with a
more secure password so the program will
accept it this time.
Let me re-read the Windows Defender
instructions, and I'll do that.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
A shell, is an environment for running programs.
The Command Prompt shell, has a few convenience features
cd /d %userprofile% # Puts you in the Rob home directory
cd Downloads # Now we're near the error program we downloaded.
Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The current working directory, is a candidate for executables.
# The computer looks for Err_6.4.5 in Downloads. Very convenient.
# The %path% includes the current working directory
The Powershell shell, does not include the current working directory in the path.
I'm sure there is a tricksy way of getting to the right place, but
I don't know it at the moment.
C:
cd Users\Rob\Downloads
.\Err_6.4.5.exe 0xC0000005 # The .\ helps the computer to look in the current working directory
# In Powershell window, if you don't put the .\ then there will be gobs
# of red error text to read.
The syntax is different. And it's a matter of what you are familiar
with, as to which shell you might want as a default.
*******
You can modify the menu, so the Command Prompt is waiting for you.
The two flavors (one elevated) are on offer. Of course there
will be a UAC prompt, which either requires a password or does
not require a password, when you try to open the elevated one.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22882-show-command-prompt-windows-powershell-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html
In Command Prompt, you can type this to get to Powershell
powershell.exe
In Powershell, you can type this to get to Command Prompt
cmd.exe # I put the EXE on some items, to emphasize these are programs.
They put them in weird places. You don't have to know this, because the path is already
wired to pick this up.
C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe
These commands might work in both shells. But occasionally, I try to do something
like this in Powershell, it silently fails, and I'm left to wonder what it was about the syntax that caused a malfunction. That's why I still have
a bit of a bias to using Command Prompt. Stuff usually works there.
These commands do not access the current working directory. We don't
need to CD anywhere, to run these. We could even be in the X: partition for example,
and these would still run.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
*******
Just remember this part.
*Don't* drag-and-drop Windows.iso onto the DVD drive.
If you use an application like Imgburn, it "converts" the ISO
file into a bootable DVD.
MediaCreationTool22H2 has its own converter too. If you make it
handle the Windows.iso file for you, it can burn write-once
media. The built-in converter, works less well with re-writeable
media, and I don't know if Microsoft ever fixed that.
But I like saving the Windows.iso for later. For example, if you
are doing a Repair Install, you can right click the ISO and select
mount. Or, you can go into File Explorer, select an ISO and select "Open", and that causes the ISO to mount too. Once mounted, you can run Setup.exe
off the ISO, and that kicks off a Repair Install. In a Repair Install
then, you don't need your DVD media, as you can run the install right
off the ISO file itself.
It's for Clean Installs, or if you need to do some maintenance (CHKDSK
when computer is broken), that's when we need some boot media for the job.
At the current time, the signs are, your OS is not clean. It had the
foreign account in it, which tells me the OS started life on someone
elses computer. If you make backup copies of it, if you make emergency
boot OSes based on it, well, it's history is not clean. We don't really
know how much malware is on there, if any.
I'm trying to make sure you have materials on hand, for a *meltdown*. OK ?
I'm not claiming anything is melted right now. But like having boats to lower on a ship, I want emergency equipment which is ready to use :-)
I probably have around a terabyte of ISOs on the computers here.
There are lots of things I can boot or burn, when needed. Much of
it is junk, but I don't throw it away. by now, I probably have ten or fifteen Windows.iso files, each one with the version recorded in the name. If
someone says "what was the OS like in 2015", I have the media to check that.
I'm not making you collect media to be the Smithsonian. I want you
to have one disc as a "life raft".
Paul
I switched hd's in the 780 and now Win 10 is back in. I used the macrium Rescue CD to enter the command:
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant XXXXX /ADD
with the password replacing the XXXXX's and was successful. However it didn't show up after I restarted. Just the 2 Rob's and Temp Accounts.
https://postimg.cc/4KB2PnsN # Stored in X: , not in C: , command does not use the file path to complete itself
https://postimg.cc/K1b9ytY8 # Password must be corrected in the netplwiz entry, to reduce the two Robs to one Rob.
I noticed it was at C:\\Windows\system32> when I clicked the cmd prompt
not C:\\ so how do I get it back?
Can I run the Err_6.4.5.exe via macrium?
I followed your link and changed Win10 so I have the command prompt
options now instead of Windows Powershell. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. So the command prompt and Windows Powershell are essentially the same thing but have different commands to execute programs?
I'm reading through your posts,... whew,.allot to comprehend,..I'm trying to follow
along.
If I remember correctly, the 780 was a computer supposedly used at a bank. and I do run all the scans constantly on both computers,...I do have Win 10 ISO on the SD-Card that I used with the USB Adaptor.
I understand where were going with all this and I appreciate it.
I'll switched the hd's again when I do the mrimgs.
I'll re-read your Windows Defender instructions,...
Robert
I just realized I should of entered both lines for it to work.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Is this correct?
I tried to do the troubleshooting on Win 10 but my
Control Panel looks allot different than yours and
there's no Troubleshooting.
https://postimg.cc/MM7Q83Ks
I started reading the offline Windows Defender(Microsoft Defender)
scan and it sure is involved. I tried to follow the file path to start it C:\Windows\MicrosoftAntimalware\Support but I don't have
a Antimalware folder/file that I can see.
https://postimg.cc/WDGJrfLM
I'm not following the instructions at all or the elevated Powershell.
I already am logged in the Admin Account. Also, I did not see a D:ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Offline Scanner
at the top of the page on the example.
This is all very confusing and they are talking about an elevated
command prompt when we can't get the C: back from C:\\User Temp.
On 12/30/2023 3:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just realized I should of entered both lines for it to work.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
Is this correct?
If you do it from Macrium CD, the password change and the elevation change, are stored in the (transient) X: partition that Macrium uses as an OS.
This does not serve a useful purpose for us.
*******
*If* the commands had an "offline mode", we could have fixed this.
But, for commands that are only intended to be set while the
real OS is running, we cannot expect to bodge the thing when C:
is not running.
You could - go to the menu while the Win10 regular OS is running,
start the Administrator Command Prompt from there.
When prompted, enter the password for the TEMP account (because the
UAC will be asking you to use TEMP now). Which you have written down, so
as to not lose control of the machine. Now, we have an elevated Command Prompt,
and when these commands execute, they change the state of our C: partition.
net user Lieutenant XXXXXX /ADD
net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
If, for example, the information was stored in the Registry, we could
use an offline registry editor, to make the changes without using the command.
However, these commands are "powerful", and they can be doing a little work or a lot of work for us.
We could even use the hack on the Win10 partition, press the shift key five times, and if an administrator pops up there, issue the two commands. But that is unlikely to work, without Safe Mode. Or so I'm told. It used to
work without Safe Mode being one of the ingredients.
This is why I warn about attempts to change the account-name of an account. The reason you cannot do that, is only Microsoft has a list of all the
places where the name must change. It could be a hundred places. And
a human could never get every one of them. Some of them are disguised
with GUIDs and other crap. Once you start installing programs for example, it's possible your name is part of a path stored in the program installation section. Even the way your name is stored can vary, some places it is "Rob", other places it is "R o b ". This is why humans doing it manually, is
a non-starter. Too much work.
Paul
I went back and used the Macrium Rescue CD to
gain access to the cmd prompt and entered the
last string :
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
https://postimg.cc/CdCHWgJp
but when I rebooted the 780 it didn't show the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's still the 2 Rob's
and TEMP Accounts.
https://postimg.cc/5XrwwN9L
Robert
On 12/30/2023 4:17 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to do the troubleshooting on Win 10 but my
Control Panel looks allot different than yours and
there's no Troubleshooting.
https://postimg.cc/MM7Q83Ks
This could be a side-effect of using the un-elevated Rob account.
You might want to bookmark this one.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-run-a-troubleshooter-from-the-command-line-in-windows-10
# Administrator (elevated) shell of some sort
msdt.exe /id WindowsUpdateDiagnostic # The article has the names in the list near the bottom.
I started reading the offline Windows Defender(Microsoft Defender)
scan and it sure is involved. I tried to follow the file path to start it
C:\Windows\MicrosoftAntimalware\Support but I don't have
a Antimalware folder/file that I can see.
Would that have been some Windows 7 era info ?
https://postimg.cc/WDGJrfLM
I'm not following the instructions at all or the elevated Powershell.
I already am logged in the Admin Account. Also, I did not see a
D:ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Offline Scanner
at the top of the page on the example.
This is all very confusing and they are talking about an elevated
command prompt when we can't get the C: back from C:\\User Temp.
The curse of it is, back in Windows 7 era, you just downloaded an ISO
and made a scanner CD for the job. All this GUI-method has done is
made a nuisance for users.
This article, tells us which file(s) have our results, after the scan is finished.
That's why this article has value.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
# This is the procedure. It's in the blue-ball security interface, blue-ball hiding in the Caret on the Taskbar
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/284639d1592839239-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a-microsoft_defender_offline_scan-3.png
The Microsoft article has the same picture and steps. if you view the page on a Windows 10 setup.
The instructions on finding the scan results are not all that easy.
(The instructions for Windows 7 are at the bottom of the page, in a drop-down menu)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help-protect-my-pc-with-microsoft-defender-offline-9306d528-64bf-4668-5b80-ff533f183d6c
https://support.content.office.net/en-us/media/ca22c8e5-7b8d-63c1-00cb-62ed2c80f51f.png # Not-colorful picture
The basic operation then, is pretty easy... once you get the blue-ball Security window open.
And the Microsoft recipe has you do that, starting from Settings.
It's where they hid it, that doesn't make it easy. The actual two-button-clicks are easy.
Paul
On 12/30/2023 4:17 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to do the troubleshooting on Win 10 but my
Control Panel looks allot different than yours and
there's no Troubleshooting.
https://postimg.cc/MM7Q83Ks
This could be a side-effect of using the un-elevated Rob account.
You might want to bookmark this one.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-run-a-troubleshooter-from-the-command-line-in-windows-10
# Administrator (elevated) shell of some sort
msdt.exe /id WindowsUpdateDiagnostic # The article has the names in the list near the bottom.
I started reading the offline Windows Defender(Microsoft Defender)
scan and it sure is involved. I tried to follow the file path to start it
C:\Windows\MicrosoftAntimalware\Support but I don't have
a Antimalware folder/file that I can see.
Would that have been some Windows 7 era info ?
https://postimg.cc/WDGJrfLM
I'm not following the instructions at all or the elevated Powershell.
I already am logged in the Admin Account. Also, I did not see a
D:ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Offline Scanner
at the top of the page on the example.
This is all very confusing and they are talking about an elevated
command prompt when we can't get the C: back from C:\\User Temp.
The curse of it is, back in Windows 7 era, you just downloaded an ISO
and made a scanner CD for the job. All this GUI-method has done is
made a nuisance for users.
This article, tells us which file(s) have our results, after the scan is finished.
That's why this article has value.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
# This is the procedure. It's in the blue-ball security interface, blue-ball hiding in the Caret on the Taskbar
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/284639d1592839239-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a-microsoft_defender_offline_scan-3.png
The Microsoft article has the same picture and steps. if you view the page on a Windows 10 setup.
The instructions on finding the scan results are not all that easy.
(The instructions for Windows 7 are at the bottom of the page, in a drop-down menu)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help-protect-my-pc-with-microsoft-defender-offline-9306d528-64bf-4668-5b80-ff533f183d6c
https://support.content.office.net/en-us/media/ca22c8e5-7b8d-63c1-00cb-62ed2c80f51f.png # Not-colorful picture
The basic operation then, is pretty easy... once you get the blue-ball Security window open.
And the Microsoft recipe has you do that, starting from Settings.
It's where they hid it, that doesn't make it easy. The actual two-button-clicks are easy.
Paul
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
I got it to switch from X to C:
https://postimg.cc/642pdwMb
then tried the commands
C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net user Lieutenant aaaaaaa /ADD C:\\WINDOWS\system32> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Lieutenant /ADD
and got this:
https://postimg.cc/v10YkDjS # dotNet dependency
https://postimg.cc/5jhxZh71 # Looks like the shell isn't prime materials (could be an x64 CD)
DO I need to start the entire process over?
I also tried to run the Err
https://postimg.cc/S2whb9GV # This is definitely a missing SysWOW on x64 CD. Program works, on 32-bit Macrium CD
https://postimg.cc/Xp4PGxXd # This is definitely a missing SysWOW on x64 CD. Program works, on 32-bit Macrium CD
https://postimg.cc/342LWDTt # What's nice, is I cannot even tell the CDs apart from the command line.
# The 64-bit should have Program Files and Program Files (x86).
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
You're the wizard,.. I'm just trying to comprehend
and keep up with your good help.
I tried running the Err_6.4.5. exe
https://postimg.cc/BPvK78nN
https://postimg.cc/hXm7YRKF
Robert
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
This is a test from the LT Admin Account.
Please verify your seeing this post.
I downloaded FF and Sea Monkey after scanning
with Windows Defender.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
There's now (2) Robs plus the Rob1, TEMP and the Lieutenant Accounts.
I'd like very much to download FF and Seamonkey to the Lieutenant and
Rob1 Accounts so I have more of a working computer followed by my A/V suite.
Avast
Spywareblaster
Malwarebytes
SuperAntiSpyware
Windows Defender
Windows firewall
Then I'd like to import my bookmarks and copy/paste My Documents.
However I know you may have things we still have to do.
Did you want me to install Agent Ransack?
Do you still want me to create a Win 10 iso?
What was that string you wanted me to run to see if Windows Defender would detect it.?
Do you still want to do that?
Do you still want to do the offline Windows Defender scan? That looks very involved
and I've re-read it several times.
I have defragged the computer but should I run Disk Cleanup under Accessories/System Tools and use the defaults?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
Here's the last part of the MediaCreationTool
https://postimg.cc/8fDkH2cB # MCT prompt for open DVD drive tray
https://postimg.cc/BPgSwm1W # "Setup is cleaning up"> https://postimg.cc/5jM8TjFp # IMAPI2 burn prompt
https://postimg.cc/vc094z2S # Off and running.
After it finished it opened the optical drive.
How should I label it?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something
happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
Here's the MediaCreationTool:
https://postimg.cc/nCPZjfH9 # Queued for DVD
https://postimg.cc/pm5vKcTG # OK, UAC prompt from MediaCreationTool
https://postimg.cc/R3rBd1JM # "Getting a few things ready"
https://postimg.cc/wygd86kZ # T&C prompt
https://postimg.cc/V57PpP0Z
https://postimg.cc/hf6W48r9 # "Create installation media"
https://postimg.cc/YvFcv4nT # en-us , Win10 , x64
https://postimg.cc/kVNky0dc # "ISO file" as output
https://postimg.cc/S2yH1gSp # Saving ISO directly to DVD. Wrong. Should have saved to Downloads directory
https://postimg.cc/y3xtsW3Q # Progress of download...
Robert
On 12/31/2023 6:12 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/31/2023 7:29 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 6:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 12/30/2023 7:50 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/1VFhMzwT
https://postimg.cc/FfHM8p00
Robert
Amazing :-) Now, you're a Wizard.
Hackers, look out.
Paul
I'm glad we've made some progress with the Lieutenant
Admin Account and the Err command but still lots to do
and I was just thinking once we get the 780 Win 10 completed
we need to put the 8500 Win 10 in and see if its actually a
Win 10 or Win 7 Pro OS and we'll have to repeat allot of what
we did on the 780,... I can't hardly remember what I just did
yesterday *L*
I went in and out of the Lieutenant Admin Account just to verify
it was working and changed the Windows Powershell to Command
Prompt while I was there.
I was also thinking of deleting the Rob Account and creating
a new Rob User Account under Lt without a password but its
probably not a good idea to delete Rob first just in case something >>>>>> happens. So I would have to re-name the new Account Rob1 or
something like that to avoid conflicts.
We also need to download FF, Word, Excel, Dell Imagining to the
Lieutenant Admin Account. It's only on the Rob Account.
Robert
If you are logged in with your new Elevated account, you can
actually use File Explorer, to go to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
transfer your installers from there, to the new account area.
I like to copy installer files, as a record of what I used to
do the installation, later.
Paul
I'm back on the 8500 Sea Monkey,..
How do I make FF my home page with about:blank in Win 10
it doesn't have a home page icon.
Robert
Tools : Settings : then Home on the left, then New Windows and Tabs on the right.
The interface has a specific option for Blank.
Paul
Here's the last part of the MediaCreationTool
https://postimg.cc/8fDkH2cB # MCT prompt for open DVD drive tray
https://postimg.cc/BPgSwm1W # "Setup is cleaning up">
https://postimg.cc/5jM8TjFp # IMAPI2 burn prompt
https://postimg.cc/vc094z2S # Off and running.
After it finished it opened the optical drive.
How should I label it?
Robert
Copy the file from the directory recorded in your first picture.
C:\users\TEMP\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Burn\Burn\Windows.iso
You could copy it to
C:\users\Rob\Downloads\Win10-22H2-x64-Dec2023.iso
Win10-22H2-x64-Dec2023 is a good label for it.
As user TEMP, paste the string into File Explorer, to see the file.
The AppData folder is hidden, which is why step-by-step navigation is difficult.
C:\users\TEMP\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Burn\Burn\
Paul
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
I right clicked it and saved it in downloads,,.
https://postimg.cc/N5mSjSjB
what now?
I started to close FF and I got this pop-up
https://postimg.cc/Ff8VcFTq
So I didn't close it.
I opened Task Manager and maybe this has something to do
with the CTF that was checked ?
https://postimg.cc/wRcXSX98
or this ?
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
for some reason PostImage doesn't work on the TEMP Account.
Robert
On 1/1/2024 10:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spywareblaster.html
Author: Brightfort
Date: 12/07/2020
Size: 4.23 MB
License: Freeware
Requires: 10|8|7
Downloads: 15683232 times
SpywareBlaster 6.0 Installer | Size: 4,329 KB | MD5: ed3c5976a98e3729add30767794fd15d
Upgrade Instructions Simply download the new installer and run it - it should upgrade
you to the latest version of SpywareBlaster.
Although you don't have to, you can also do a clean install with the instructions below:
Open SpywareBlaster and press the "Disable All Protection" link under "Quick Tasks".
Close SpywareBlaster.
Go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the entry named "SpywareBlaster 5.6"
Download the latest SpywareBlaster installer from the link above and run it.
Enjoy the new version of SpywareBlaster!
***********************
This has the stub installer. 4.6.0.352
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038479134-Install-Malwarebytes-for-Windows-v4
Name: MBSetup.exe
Size: 2,606,880 bytes (2545 KiB)
SHA256: 7C0B9BCEED390F7F28135431C09AC51469EE8E2B8095FB36A37315D811D9BA9C
There are instructions for moving from the Premium Trial, to the Free On-Demand behavior.
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040972954-Deactivate-Premium-Trial-in-Malwarebytes-for-Windows
The old link I have for the offline installer is here.
You can see this file is bigger. I expect the definitions
file will be yet another download after this.
https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
Name: MBSetup.exe 4.6.0.352
Size: 292,680,840 bytes (279 MiB)
SHA256: 4763A0F50181FA9190B8872F84DF1147EF50AD7338488ADCABE277223C0DBF9C
*******
The button on the page, says it is a "FREE" item. You know more about
this one than I do. Free items aren't always really free.
https://www.superantispyware.com/downloadfile.html?productid=SUPERANTISPYWAREFREE
*******
https://www.avast.com/installation-files
The online one would be a small stub, then it is going to do 600MB of downloads, every time you install it.
The offline installer is a 600MB download, and every time you install
it, it will be out of date. The difference is, to bring itself back up-to-date, it will be loading components as needed. Maybe the definitions are 100MB, every time you install it.
The offline choice is the better value, to me, but I don't know
that for a fact. It's just a strategy.
Paul
On 1/1/2024 10:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spywareblaster.html
Author: Brightfort
Date: 12/07/2020
Size: 4.23 MB
License: Freeware
Requires: 10|8|7
Downloads: 15683232 times
SpywareBlaster 6.0 Installer | Size: 4,329 KB | MD5: ed3c5976a98e3729add30767794fd15d
Upgrade Instructions Simply download the new installer and run it - it should upgrade
you to the latest version of SpywareBlaster.
Although you don't have to, you can also do a clean install with the instructions below:
Open SpywareBlaster and press the "Disable All Protection" link under "Quick Tasks".
Close SpywareBlaster.
Go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the entry named "SpywareBlaster 5.6"
Download the latest SpywareBlaster installer from the link above and run it.
Enjoy the new version of SpywareBlaster!
***********************
This has the stub installer. 4.6.0.352
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038479134-Install-Malwarebytes-for-Windows-v4
Name: MBSetup.exe
Size: 2,606,880 bytes (2545 KiB)
SHA256: 7C0B9BCEED390F7F28135431C09AC51469EE8E2B8095FB36A37315D811D9BA9C
There are instructions for moving from the Premium Trial, to the Free On-Demand behavior.
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040972954-Deactivate-Premium-Trial-in-Malwarebytes-for-Windows
The old link I have for the offline installer is here.
You can see this file is bigger. I expect the definitions
file will be yet another download after this.
https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
Name: MBSetup.exe 4.6.0.352
Size: 292,680,840 bytes (279 MiB)
SHA256: 4763A0F50181FA9190B8872F84DF1147EF50AD7338488ADCABE277223C0DBF9C
*******
The button on the page, says it is a "FREE" item. You know more about
this one than I do. Free items aren't always really free.
https://www.superantispyware.com/downloadfile.html?productid=SUPERANTISPYWAREFREE
*******
https://www.avast.com/installation-files
The online one would be a small stub, then it is going to do 600MB of downloads, every time you install it.
The offline installer is a 600MB download, and every time you install
it, it will be out of date. The difference is, to bring itself back up-to-date, it will be loading components as needed. Maybe the definitions are 100MB, every time you install it.
The offline choice is the better value, to me, but I don't know
that for a fact. It's just a strategy.
Paul
On 1/1/2024 10:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spywareblaster.html
Author: Brightfort
Date: 12/07/2020
Size: 4.23 MB
License: Freeware
Requires: 10|8|7
Downloads: 15683232 times
SpywareBlaster 6.0 Installer | Size: 4,329 KB | MD5: ed3c5976a98e3729add30767794fd15d
Upgrade Instructions Simply download the new installer and run it - it should upgrade
you to the latest version of SpywareBlaster.
Although you don't have to, you can also do a clean install with the instructions below:
Open SpywareBlaster and press the "Disable All Protection" link under "Quick Tasks".
Close SpywareBlaster.
Go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the entry named "SpywareBlaster 5.6"
Download the latest SpywareBlaster installer from the link above and run it.
Enjoy the new version of SpywareBlaster!
***********************
This has the stub installer. 4.6.0.352
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038479134-Install-Malwarebytes-for-Windows-v4
Name: MBSetup.exe
Size: 2,606,880 bytes (2545 KiB)
SHA256: 7C0B9BCEED390F7F28135431C09AC51469EE8E2B8095FB36A37315D811D9BA9C
There are instructions for moving from the Premium Trial, to the Free On-Demand behavior.
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040972954-Deactivate-Premium-Trial-in-Malwarebytes-for-Windows
The old link I have for the offline installer is here.
You can see this file is bigger. I expect the definitions
file will be yet another download after this.
https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
Name: MBSetup.exe 4.6.0.352
Size: 292,680,840 bytes (279 MiB)
SHA256: 4763A0F50181FA9190B8872F84DF1147EF50AD7338488ADCABE277223C0DBF9C
*******
The button on the page, says it is a "FREE" item. You know more about
this one than I do. Free items aren't always really free.
https://www.superantispyware.com/downloadfile.html?productid=SUPERANTISPYWAREFREE
*******
https://www.avast.com/installation-files
The online one would be a small stub, then it is going to do 600MB of downloads, every time you install it.
The offline installer is a 600MB download, and every time you install
it, it will be out of date. The difference is, to bring itself back up-to-date, it will be loading components as needed. Maybe the definitions are 100MB, every time you install it.
The offline choice is the better value, to me, but I don't know
that for a fact. It's just a strategy.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 10:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD. >>>> This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E >>>>
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spywareblaster.html
Author: Brightfort
Date: 12/07/2020
Size: 4.23 MB
License: Freeware
Requires: 10|8|7
Downloads: 15683232 times
SpywareBlaster 6.0 Installer | Size: 4,329 KB | MD5: ed3c5976a98e3729add30767794fd15d
Upgrade Instructions Simply download the new installer and run it - it should upgrade
you to the latest version of SpywareBlaster.
Although you don't have to, you can also do a clean install with the instructions below:
Open SpywareBlaster and press the "Disable All Protection" link under "Quick Tasks".
Close SpywareBlaster.
Go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the entry named "SpywareBlaster 5.6"
Download the latest SpywareBlaster installer from the link above and run it.
Enjoy the new version of SpywareBlaster!
***********************
This has the stub installer. 4.6.0.352
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038479134-Install-Malwarebytes-for-Windows-v4
Name: MBSetup.exe
Size: 2,606,880 bytes (2545 KiB)
SHA256: 7C0B9BCEED390F7F28135431C09AC51469EE8E2B8095FB36A37315D811D9BA9C
There are instructions for moving from the Premium Trial, to the Free On-Demand behavior.
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040972954-Deactivate-Premium-Trial-in-Malwarebytes-for-Windows
The old link I have for the offline installer is here.
You can see this file is bigger. I expect the definitions
file will be yet another download after this.
https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
Name: MBSetup.exe 4.6.0.352
Size: 292,680,840 bytes (279 MiB)
SHA256: 4763A0F50181FA9190B8872F84DF1147EF50AD7338488ADCABE277223C0DBF9C
*******
The button on the page, says it is a "FREE" item. You know more about
this one than I do. Free items aren't always really free.
https://www.superantispyware.com/downloadfile.html?productid=SUPERANTISPYWAREFREE
*******
https://www.avast.com/installation-files
The online one would be a small stub, then it is going to do 600MB of
downloads, every time you install it.
The offline installer is a 600MB download, and every time you install
it, it will be out of date. The difference is, to bring itself back
up-to-date, it will be loading components as needed. Maybe the definitions >> are 100MB, every time you install it.
The offline choice is the better value, to me, but I don't know
that for a fact. It's just a strategy.
Paul
Here's the 780 with all the A/V
https://postimg.cc/GTY1Y2fQ
I successfully completed the img burn of the ISO and started to verified it.
but then it got this.
https://postimg.cc/3k5sMYqM
https://postimg.cc/5YTPwmdc
https://postimg.cc/qzdw4qpG
So this DVD+RDL is also toast? I only have (3) left. Should I order
more ?
Robert
On 1/3/2024 3:34 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 10:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/1/2024 7:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I keep getting this,
https://postimg.cc/KRhtWRLN
I messed up again,. and again a second time...ugh
I missed the point where I was suppose to burn
the DVD's and now everything is screwed up.
https://postimg.cc/qNjngwFb
https://postimg.cc/mzFFXsgJ
https://postimg.cc/mPXzTDcK
https://postimg.cc/Lgphxg7g
https://postimg.cc/8sR7jwJR
https://postimg.cc/N5bLxMxL
https://postimg.cc/HrhxfhRg
https://postimg.cc/WFM1qb3N
https://postimg.cc/vxh8XqfC
https://postimg.cc/xq2KxXLP
https://postimg.cc/XpN9WtHG
I tried to run it again but I keep getting this error message:
https://postimg.cc/2bFBRxn7
So what do I do now?
I know this may sound stupid this late in the game
but exactly what is the name of the folder I'm suppose
to put in downloads and burn to the DVD-RDL. Is it
a Windows 10 Installer?
I downloaded Agent Ransack to the Temp Account
and will also do so for the Lt Account.
I started the Agent Ransack scan but could not see
any Windows.iso I tried adjusting the size but there's
so many files! I guess I'm not doing it right,
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD. >>>>> This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
If you have a checksum tool, this is the checksum. The download is coming from the Microsoft site.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E >>>>>
Paul
A/V Suite
spywareblaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
Which one do I click? the free download at the top next to
Buy Pro version or the free download with the blue Home
on the lower left?
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
I downloaded this to the 780 but it was the premium version,
in the process of uninstalling I switched it to the free version
but when I tried to update it, it took forever and never finished
so I uninstalled it. How can I download a clean free version?
Superantispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
Do I click the red Download button ?
avast - https://www.avast.com/installation-files#
Do I check the Avast Antivirus free download - online installer?
Robert
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spywareblaster.html
Author: Brightfort
Date: 12/07/2020
Size: 4.23 MB
License: Freeware
Requires: 10|8|7
Downloads: 15683232 times
SpywareBlaster 6.0 Installer | Size: 4,329 KB | MD5: ed3c5976a98e3729add30767794fd15d
Upgrade Instructions Simply download the new installer and run it - it should upgrade
you to the latest version of SpywareBlaster.
Although you don't have to, you can also do a clean install with the instructions below:
Open SpywareBlaster and press the "Disable All Protection" link under "Quick Tasks".
Close SpywareBlaster.
Go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the entry named "SpywareBlaster 5.6"
Download the latest SpywareBlaster installer from the link above and run it.
Enjoy the new version of SpywareBlaster!
***********************
This has the stub installer. 4.6.0.352
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038479134-Install-Malwarebytes-for-Windows-v4
Name: MBSetup.exe
Size: 2,606,880 bytes (2545 KiB)
SHA256: 7C0B9BCEED390F7F28135431C09AC51469EE8E2B8095FB36A37315D811D9BA9C
There are instructions for moving from the Premium Trial, to the Free On-Demand behavior.
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040972954-Deactivate-Premium-Trial-in-Malwarebytes-for-Windows
The old link I have for the offline installer is here.
You can see this file is bigger. I expect the definitions
file will be yet another download after this.
https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
Name: MBSetup.exe 4.6.0.352
Size: 292,680,840 bytes (279 MiB)
SHA256: 4763A0F50181FA9190B8872F84DF1147EF50AD7338488ADCABE277223C0DBF9C
*******
The button on the page, says it is a "FREE" item. You know more about
this one than I do. Free items aren't always really free.
https://www.superantispyware.com/downloadfile.html?productid=SUPERANTISPYWAREFREE
*******
https://www.avast.com/installation-files
The online one would be a small stub, then it is going to do 600MB of
downloads, every time you install it.
The offline installer is a 600MB download, and every time you install
it, it will be out of date. The difference is, to bring itself back
up-to-date, it will be loading components as needed. Maybe the definitions >>> are 100MB, every time you install it.
The offline choice is the better value, to me, but I don't know
that for a fact. It's just a strategy.
Paul
Here's the 780 with all the A/V
https://postimg.cc/GTY1Y2fQ
I successfully completed the img burn of the ISO and started to verified it.
but then it got this.
https://postimg.cc/3k5sMYqM
https://postimg.cc/5YTPwmdc
https://postimg.cc/qzdw4qpG
So this DVD+RDL is also toast? I only have (3) left. Should I order
more ?
Robert
We're going to slow down a bit. No point wasting media.
https://alternativeto.net/software/nero-infotool/
I don't want any TrialWare. https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDInfoPro/old-versions
I have included pictures of the DVDInfoPro for comparison to Nero Infotool.
(the LightScribe on the oldest drive, only burns labels on LightScribe-equipped blanks)
(The utility does not recognize M-Disc capability in the drive.)
*******************************************
We'll try the free Nero Infotool.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
# Virustotal behavior section does not look all that good, behavior is mired in history.
# In other words, it is not malware, it installs a VS Runtime (that's OK), but the
# other behaviors don't look all that wonderful. It looks like it installs unnecessary patches.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/8982963c675e39b37b921f5d917439e4a87c81e28ca9bee88cfcef521249424f/behavior
That raises the question of how best to test it. I tried it in a VM,
and used a USB to IDE for passthru for one optical drive, and
USB to SATA for passthru of my brand new optical drive (which will
serve as a reference for what a modern drive looks like).
It turns out, the drive that is at least 10-12 years old, is as
compatible as the 1 year old drive.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
Imgburn really should warn you, if the media label is not
being recognized and it was forced to go to "full power"
for the burn.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Nero will say a feature is missing
and we will have an answer.
There aren't a lot of DVD drive models to choose from. It
depends on the retailer as to how much choice is left.
Paul
Here's the 780 with all the A/V
https://postimg.cc/GTY1Y2fQ
I successfully completed the img burn of the ISO and started to verified it.
but then it got this.
https://postimg.cc/3k5sMYqM
https://postimg.cc/5YTPwmdc
https://postimg.cc/qzdw4qpG
So this DVD+RDL is also toast? I only have (3) left. Should I order
more ?
Robert
We're going to slow down a bit. No point wasting media.
https://alternativeto.net/software/nero-infotool/
I don't want any TrialWare.
https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDInfoPro/old-versions
I have included pictures of the DVDInfoPro for comparison to Nero Infotool. >>
(the LightScribe on the oldest drive, only burns labels on LightScribe-equipped blanks)
(The utility does not recognize M-Disc capability in the drive.)
*******************************************
We'll try the free Nero Infotool.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
# Virustotal behavior section does not look all that good, behavior is mired in history.
# In other words, it is not malware, it installs a VS Runtime (that's OK), but the
# other behaviors don't look all that wonderful. It looks like it installs unnecessary patches.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/8982963c675e39b37b921f5d917439e4a87c81e28ca9bee88cfcef521249424f/behavior
That raises the question of how best to test it. I tried it in a VM,
and used a USB to IDE for passthru for one optical drive, and
USB to SATA for passthru of my brand new optical drive (which will
serve as a reference for what a modern drive looks like).
It turns out, the drive that is at least 10-12 years old, is as
compatible as the 1 year old drive.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
Imgburn really should warn you, if the media label is not
being recognized and it was forced to go to "full power"
for the burn.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Nero will say a feature is missing
and we will have an answer.
There aren't a lot of DVD drive models to choose from. It
depends on the retailer as to how much choice is left.
Paul
I remember using Nero a long time ago,...
I've never heard of TrialWare or know what it is?
I don't see your pics for comparison via Nero
I downloaded Nero to the 780, but it never finish's
completely and installs a icon on the desktop.
I clicked the virustotal link and it seems to show allot
of data relating to Nero but I have no idea what I'm
suppose to be looking for?
So you want me to test my DVD-RDL's to see if
they are bad? btw I ordered 5 more off of eBay.
At this point can I export/import my bookmarks and
copy/paste My Documents to the 780?
Robert
On 1/4/2024 1:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 with all the A/V
https://postimg.cc/GTY1Y2fQ
I successfully completed the img burn of the ISO and started to verified it.
but then it got this.
https://postimg.cc/3k5sMYqM
https://postimg.cc/5YTPwmdc
https://postimg.cc/qzdw4qpG
So this DVD+RDL is also toast? I only have (3) left. Should I order
more ?
Robert
We're going to slow down a bit. No point wasting media.
https://alternativeto.net/software/nero-infotool/
I don't want any TrialWare.
https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDInfoPro/old-versions
I have included pictures of the DVDInfoPro for comparison to Nero Infotool. >>>
(the LightScribe on the oldest drive, only burns labels on LightScribe-equipped blanks)
(The utility does not recognize M-Disc capability in the drive.)
*******************************************
We'll try the free Nero Infotool.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
# Virustotal behavior section does not look all that good, behavior is mired in history.
# In other words, it is not malware, it installs a VS Runtime (that's OK), but the
# other behaviors don't look all that wonderful. It looks like it installs unnecessary patches.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/8982963c675e39b37b921f5d917439e4a87c81e28ca9bee88cfcef521249424f/behavior
That raises the question of how best to test it. I tried it in a VM,
and used a USB to IDE for passthru for one optical drive, and
USB to SATA for passthru of my brand new optical drive (which will
serve as a reference for what a modern drive looks like).
It turns out, the drive that is at least 10-12 years old, is as
compatible as the 1 year old drive.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
Imgburn really should warn you, if the media label is not
being recognized and it was forced to go to "full power"
for the burn.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Nero will say a feature is missing
and we will have an answer.
There aren't a lot of DVD drive models to choose from. It
depends on the retailer as to how much choice is left.
Paul
I remember using Nero a long time ago,...
I've never heard of TrialWare or know what it is?
I don't see your pics for comparison via Nero
I downloaded Nero to the 780, but it never finish's
completely and installs a icon on the desktop.
I clicked the virustotal link and it seems to show allot
of data relating to Nero but I have no idea what I'm
suppose to be looking for?
So you want me to test my DVD-RDL's to see if
they are bad? btw I ordered 5 more off of eBay.
At this point can I export/import my bookmarks and
copy/paste My Documents to the 780?
Robert
TrialWare is software that runs for a limited period. If you
want to use it after seven days, you buy a license.
The DVDInfoPro used to have a free version, and all I wanted
was just the flags that say what the drive claims it can burn.
Nero offers a burning kit. That was a commercial software you buy.
But if also included a free utility from the cdspeed2000 site. This
is unlikely to be the former utility, and looks like a re-write.
It's still free. It is an Information Tool, so it does not burn
anything.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
The program window at the bottom of this one, shows how it identifies a DVD drive.
These utilities also include flags only seen on drives like BluRay.
And a DVD drive won't have any BluRay flags ticked. BLuRay burns all three types (CD,DVD,BD).
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
I also tried identifying the media in a test.
https://www.videohelp.com/download/dvd_identifier_520.zip
# The developer used this as a staging area. Version 520 is the last version. 900 ADIP labels in db.
https://dvdidentifier.cdfreaks.com/
# Program installs (not portable). Insert media in tray after the red text appears.
# Select the drive from the pulldown menu near the top.
# Click the "Identify" on the right.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/76zGCKBY/DVD-Identifier-example.gif
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media MKM 001
*******
But as it turns out, IMGBurn implicitly contains all this information anyway. It reports in the right pane, on the blank media in the tray, when you are using the upper left choice of the six icons.
If you use IMGBurn, look closely at the media report.
I have three sample drives here. Only the middle one, seems
to know what it is doing. The right most one comes in second
place. The left one (oldest) is "mostly clueless". The left one will
likely burn a little too fast.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/fR8hGF4t/IMGBurn-burn-advice.gif
Of the bunch of info collected in the example, given the media
failure, I would set the burn speed dropdown to 2.4x for my second try.
DVD writers have programmable laser strength. The ADIP contains
info on "recommended" burn conditions. Erasing, writing, and reading,
all use the appropriate laser color, but at different strengths.
The reading likely uses the weakest laser setting.
Paul
On 1/4/2024 1:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 with all the A/V
https://postimg.cc/GTY1Y2fQ
I successfully completed the img burn of the ISO and started to verified it.
but then it got this.
https://postimg.cc/3k5sMYqM
https://postimg.cc/5YTPwmdc
https://postimg.cc/qzdw4qpG
So this DVD+RDL is also toast? I only have (3) left. Should I order
more ?
Robert
We're going to slow down a bit. No point wasting media.
https://alternativeto.net/software/nero-infotool/
I don't want any TrialWare.
https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDInfoPro/old-versions
I have included pictures of the DVDInfoPro for comparison to Nero Infotool. >>>
(the LightScribe on the oldest drive, only burns labels on LightScribe-equipped blanks)
(The utility does not recognize M-Disc capability in the drive.)
*******************************************
We'll try the free Nero Infotool.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
# Virustotal behavior section does not look all that good, behavior is mired in history.
# In other words, it is not malware, it installs a VS Runtime (that's OK), but the
# other behaviors don't look all that wonderful. It looks like it installs unnecessary patches.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/8982963c675e39b37b921f5d917439e4a87c81e28ca9bee88cfcef521249424f/behavior
That raises the question of how best to test it. I tried it in a VM,
and used a USB to IDE for passthru for one optical drive, and
USB to SATA for passthru of my brand new optical drive (which will
serve as a reference for what a modern drive looks like).
It turns out, the drive that is at least 10-12 years old, is as
compatible as the 1 year old drive.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
Imgburn really should warn you, if the media label is not
being recognized and it was forced to go to "full power"
for the burn.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Nero will say a feature is missing
and we will have an answer.
There aren't a lot of DVD drive models to choose from. It
depends on the retailer as to how much choice is left.
Paul
I remember using Nero a long time ago,...
I've never heard of TrialWare or know what it is?
I don't see your pics for comparison via Nero
I downloaded Nero to the 780, but it never finish's
completely and installs a icon on the desktop.
I clicked the virustotal link and it seems to show allot
of data relating to Nero but I have no idea what I'm
suppose to be looking for?
So you want me to test my DVD-RDL's to see if
they are bad? btw I ordered 5 more off of eBay.
At this point can I export/import my bookmarks and
copy/paste My Documents to the 780?
Robert
TrialWare is software that runs for a limited period. If you
want to use it after seven days, you buy a license.
The DVDInfoPro used to have a free version, and all I wanted
was just the flags that say what the drive claims it can burn.
Nero offers a burning kit. That was a commercial software you buy.
But if also included a free utility from the cdspeed2000 site. This
is unlikely to be the former utility, and looks like a re-write.
It's still free. It is an Information Tool, so it does not burn
anything.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nero_infotool.html
Name: nero11infotool-11.0.00500.exe
Size: 32,596,208 bytes (31 MiB)
SHA256: 8982963C675E39B37B921F5D917439E4A87C81E28CA9BEE88CFCEF521249424F
The program window at the bottom of this one, shows how it identifies a DVD drive.
These utilities also include flags only seen on drives like BluRay.
And a DVD drive won't have any BluRay flags ticked. BLuRay burns all three types (CD,DVD,BD).
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/hjCpDv7L/check-your-DVD-drive.gif
I also tried identifying the media in a test.
https://www.videohelp.com/download/dvd_identifier_520.zip
# The developer used this as a staging area. Version 520 is the last version. 900 ADIP labels in db.
https://dvdidentifier.cdfreaks.com/
# Program installs (not portable). Insert media in tray after the red text appears.
# Select the drive from the pulldown menu near the top.
# Click the "Identify" on the right.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/76zGCKBY/DVD-Identifier-example.gif
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media MKM 001
*******
But as it turns out, IMGBurn implicitly contains all this information anyway. It reports in the right pane, on the blank media in the tray, when you are using the upper left choice of the six icons.
If you use IMGBurn, look closely at the media report.
I have three sample drives here. Only the middle one, seems
to know what it is doing. The right most one comes in second
place. The left one (oldest) is "mostly clueless". The left one will
likely burn a little too fast.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/fR8hGF4t/IMGBurn-burn-advice.gif
Of the bunch of info collected in the example, given the media
failure, I would set the burn speed dropdown to 2.4x for my second try.
DVD writers have programmable laser strength. The ADIP contains
info on "recommended" burn conditions. Erasing, writing, and reading,
all use the appropriate laser color, but at different strengths.
The reading likely uses the weakest laser setting.
Paul
I downloaded Nero but again it didn't put a icon
on the desktop but I verified it was in the Apps.
After some back and forth I managed to get it to
run.
https://postimg.cc/Wt5znvvT # Nero Infotool install
https://postimg.cc/MfHW4nSx # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/d79wV2Qw # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/1nthRbYr # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/N9LSvm5N # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/R3ZbwKQM # Attempt at a drag-n-drop burn???
I then downloaded the DVDIdentifier App and it left
a desktop icon and ran it:
https://postimg.cc/21zHfht4 # DVD Identifier icon
https://postimg.cc/t7cZbjmD # Running, need to click Identify button
https://postimg.cc/SXmjdNJQ # MKM-003-00 media, newer than my MKM-001-00 media
Robert
On 1/4/2024 11:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I downloaded Nero but again it didn't put a icon
on the desktop but I verified it was in the Apps.
After some back and forth I managed to get it to
run.
https://postimg.cc/Wt5znvvT # Nero Infotool install
https://postimg.cc/MfHW4nSx # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/d79wV2Qw # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/1nthRbYr # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/N9LSvm5N # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/R3ZbwKQM # Attempt at a drag-n-drop burn???
I then downloaded the DVDIdentifier App and it left
a desktop icon and ran it:
https://postimg.cc/21zHfht4 # DVD Identifier icon
https://postimg.cc/t7cZbjmD # Running, need to click Identify button
https://postimg.cc/SXmjdNJQ # MKM-003-00 media, newer than my MKM-001-00 media
Robert
Your drive: TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
Your media: MKM-003-00 (Mine is MKM-001-00)
Once you have the media label, you can Google for info.
https://forum.imgburn.com/topic/23806-failing-on-verification-using-verbatim-mkm-003/
Now, that's the sort of feedback you'd get in the old days.
Not all drives have firmware updates. Some never got a second file.
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=cnmp3
"This package provides the Firmware update for TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA
Version DW10, A02
Release date 05 Jun 2013
Download Type Firmware
"
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r283463
"TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA HH, v.DW20, A03
Version DW20, A03
Release date 18 Oct 2010
Download Type Firmware
"
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360 <=== Verify details
"This package provides the TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA HH Firmware Update
Version DW30, A04
Release date 12 Jul 2011
Download Type Firmware
"
This site lists available firmware, and the DW30 is the latest by their determination.
https://www.firmwarehq.com/Samsung/TS-H653G/files.html
"Version Date desc Filename
DW30 12th July, 2011 R306360.exe <=== Latest I can find
DW20 18th October, 2010 R283463.exe
SB00 31st July, 2009 TS-H653G_SB00.exe
DW10 12th July, 2009 R227071.exe <=== you are at this level
And a KProbe scan uses a Liteon drive, might have been
the requirement. There are a couple levels of error detection,
and Liteon made available a level of uncorrected errors or
something, and that is how the forum people (cdfreaks.com)
used to measure burn results.
This uses one of the other error indicators. I can't get this
to do a scan for error rate. It dims out the Start button if
you try to do an error scan. I'm pretty sure I don't have
the drive hardware features it wants.
https://www.afterdawn.com/software/cd_dvd/dvd_tools/nero_cd_speed.cfm
Name: NeroCDSpeed_47716.zip
Size: 1,071,735 bytes (1046 KiB)
SHA256: 2655F1468B9675C9EFC3CD0B720659F7059A5FE34345D120ED84065665721C2F
The thing about the info in the drive internal database, you can never
be sure how good of a job the firmware people do on them. I've
had drives before where the very first thing you did, was
flash upgrade them, because the drive was released before
the database was available for it.
I don't enjoy firmware updating any more than anyone else.
But at least the Dell flasher should be a bit more intelligent
than some of the ones I've used in the past (they will only
flash the optical drive, if it was on a certain ribbon cable
and connector).
Summary: Update drive firmware first, then burn a second disk at 2.4x .
It is unlikely a speed change alone during burn, will fix it.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/4/2024 11:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I downloaded Nero but again it didn't put a icon
on the desktop but I verified it was in the Apps.
After some back and forth I managed to get it to
run.
https://postimg.cc/Wt5znvvT # Nero Infotool install
https://postimg.cc/MfHW4nSx # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/d79wV2Qw # W10 Apps & Features
https://postimg.cc/1nthRbYr # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/N9LSvm5N # TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
https://postimg.cc/R3ZbwKQM # Attempt at a drag-n-drop burn???
I then downloaded the DVDIdentifier App and it left
a desktop icon and ran it:
https://postimg.cc/21zHfht4 # DVD Identifier icon
https://postimg.cc/t7cZbjmD # Running, need to click Identify button
https://postimg.cc/SXmjdNJQ # MKM-003-00 media, newer than my MKM-001-00 media
Robert
Your drive: TSSTCorp TS-H653G DW10
Your media: MKM-003-00 (Mine is MKM-001-00)
Once you have the media label, you can Google for info.
https://forum.imgburn.com/topic/23806-failing-on-verification-using-verbatim-mkm-003/
Now, that's the sort of feedback you'd get in the old days.
Not all drives have firmware updates. Some never got a second file.
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=cnmp3
"This package provides the Firmware update for TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA
Version DW10, A02
Release date 05 Jun 2013
Download Type Firmware
"
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r283463
"TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA HH, v.DW20, A03
Version DW20, A03
Release date 18 Oct 2010
Download Type Firmware
"
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360 <=== Verify details
"This package provides the TSST TS-H653G 16X DVD+/-RW SATA HH Firmware Update
Version DW30, A04
Release date 12 Jul 2011
Download Type Firmware
"
This site lists available firmware, and the DW30 is the latest by their determination.
https://www.firmwarehq.com/Samsung/TS-H653G/files.html
"Version Date desc Filename
DW30 12th July, 2011 R306360.exe <=== Latest I can find
DW20 18th October, 2010 R283463.exe
SB00 31st July, 2009 TS-H653G_SB00.exe
DW10 12th July, 2009 R227071.exe <=== you are at this level
And a KProbe scan uses a Liteon drive, might have been
the requirement. There are a couple levels of error detection,
and Liteon made available a level of uncorrected errors or
something, and that is how the forum people (cdfreaks.com)
used to measure burn results.
This uses one of the other error indicators. I can't get this
to do a scan for error rate. It dims out the Start button if
you try to do an error scan. I'm pretty sure I don't have
the drive hardware features it wants.
https://www.afterdawn.com/software/cd_dvd/dvd_tools/nero_cd_speed.cfm
Name: NeroCDSpeed_47716.zip
Size: 1,071,735 bytes (1046 KiB)
SHA256: 2655F1468B9675C9EFC3CD0B720659F7059A5FE34345D120ED84065665721C2F
The thing about the info in the drive internal database, you can never
be sure how good of a job the firmware people do on them. I've
had drives before where the very first thing you did, was
flash upgrade them, because the drive was released before
the database was available for it.
I don't enjoy firmware updating any more than anyone else.
But at least the Dell flasher should be a bit more intelligent
than some of the ones I've used in the past (they will only
flash the optical drive, if it was on a certain ribbon cable
and connector).
Summary: Update drive firmware first, then burn a second disk at 2.4x .
It is unlikely a speed change alone during burn, will fix it.
Paul
Did you see that not only will Google not allow any posting after 2-22-24
but Usenet content will not appear. Does that mean Seamonkey? If so, I
won't be able to see your posts and you won't be able to see mine?
I get this pop-up every time I logon to the 780 ; I select FF as my homepage and click don't show this message again but it always come back.
https://postimg.cc/Z09NT9Tv # Firefox default browser prompt
https://postimg.cc/xkcfKzpK # Default App interface; showing MSEdge as you would expect
https://postimg.cc/fJyM4XZ1 # Logged as TEMP, should not matter for browser selection, should have worked
Also I still don't have a home page icon in FF (about:blank) I followed your instructions.
I tried your first link but it wasn't compatible. I tried the second link and it worked but what is F/W file: ? where do I find it? I tried browsing for R227071 but it wouldn't let me enter it so I don't know how to proceed to run the download.
https://postimg.cc/wy1k80f7 # Search term should be a bit shorter TS-H653G
https://postimg.cc/bD49zkWL
https://postimg.cc/Z0yLwsvQ
https://postimg.cc/75X15pj5 # R227071 claimed latest, already loaded
https://postimg.cc/Fkj3Nqjs # loading R227071, replacing DW10 with DW10
https://postimg.cc/vDWV1JVG # Dell compatibility dialog, driver release info
https://postimg.cc/nXLjPMwL # Dell unpacks to C:\dell\drivers\R227071\
https://postimg.cc/0KfjtqYm # (create dir)
https://postimg.cc/nC9cj75B # All files unpacked
https://postimg.cc/1nzy9Nwg # Flasher running, does not seem to have FW file
The second and third link were not compatible and
I got a red download warning on the 780 not to download
the Nero application so I didn't.
Robert
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
On 1/6/2024 3:36 PM, Paul wrote:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here. >>
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
[Picture] Ran a burn at 4X and it seems to be fine.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4VQ4P26/4-X-Write-TS-H653-G-DW30-MKM-003-00.gif
I would try setting the burn to 4X and use a blank disc.
If your profile looks like the center of "MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif",
then you probably don't need to flash up the drive. Since I didn't do
the work in logical order (went up the road and got a sample qty of MKM-003 after burning DW30), I can't really compare how it would have worked
without a firmware update. It's possible the firmware updates were
for "stability of certain operations", rather than the more normal
addition of media labels to database.
According to an article I was reading, the drive can actually do
"calibration burns" in the middle of burning a dual layer disc,
and there is apparently an area of the disc intended for this purpose.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/6/2024 3:36 PM, Paul wrote:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49 >>>
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
[Picture] Ran a burn at 4X and it seems to be fine.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4VQ4P26/4-X-Write-TS-H653-G-DW30-MKM-003-00.gif
I would try setting the burn to 4X and use a blank disc.
If your profile looks like the center of "MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif",
then you probably don't need to flash up the drive. Since I didn't do
the work in logical order (went up the road and got a sample qty of MKM-003 >> after burning DW30), I can't really compare how it would have worked
without a firmware update. It's possible the firmware updates were
for "stability of certain operations", rather than the more normal
addition of media labels to database.
According to an article I was reading, the drive can actually do
"calibration burns" in the middle of burning a dual layer disc,
and there is apparently an area of the disc intended for this purpose.
Paul
We got so involved with the 780 Win10 I forgot to switch
the hd's and do my mrimgs. So I did that on 1-5-24 then
switched them back.
btw, we have to set-up Win 10 for mrimgs and run one as a
test to make sure it works before were done.
I got my second batch of DVD+RDL's so we have (7) in total
now we can use.
What about Google banning Usernet posts? Are we going to be
affected? Let me know please,
I checked the DVD+RDL
https://postimg.cc/CdDqSL0C
I had to go back and find the H22 download,
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
I right clicked it and put it in downloads and then tried to run it at 4X but got this
https://postimg.cc/grvn1SyN
then checked downloads and its only 1KB
https://postimg.cc/342x5NGd
Robert
On 1/7/2024 7:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/6/2024 3:36 PM, Paul wrote:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49 >>>>
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
[Picture] Ran a burn at 4X and it seems to be fine.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4VQ4P26/4-X-Write-TS-H653-G-DW30-MKM-003-00.gif
I would try setting the burn to 4X and use a blank disc.
If your profile looks like the center of "MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif",
then you probably don't need to flash up the drive. Since I didn't do
the work in logical order (went up the road and got a sample qty of MKM-003 >>> after burning DW30), I can't really compare how it would have worked
without a firmware update. It's possible the firmware updates were
for "stability of certain operations", rather than the more normal
addition of media labels to database.
According to an article I was reading, the drive can actually do
"calibration burns" in the middle of burning a dual layer disc,
and there is apparently an area of the disc intended for this purpose.
Paul
We got so involved with the 780 Win10 I forgot to switch
the hd's and do my mrimgs. So I did that on 1-5-24 then
switched them back.
btw, we have to set-up Win 10 for mrimgs and run one as a
test to make sure it works before were done.
I got my second batch of DVD+RDL's so we have (7) in total
now we can use.
What about Google banning Usernet posts? Are we going to be
affected? Let me know please,
I checked the DVD+RDL
https://postimg.cc/CdDqSL0C
I had to go back and find the H22 download,
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
I right clicked it and put it in downloads and then tried to run it at 4X but got this
https://postimg.cc/grvn1SyN
then checked downloads and its only 1KB
https://postimg.cc/342x5NGd
Robert
It should take a significant amount of time for a 6.5GB ISO to download.
If your browser is not tied up for an hour doing that, then something is wrong.
It should not take half a second for that, it's a much longer operation.
Here is another link. Microsoft says the link is valid for 24 hours from now. I don't make this stupid scheme of theirs, this is their idea of fun.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=73b5701c-f595-4bd0-a53f-fafbde537b88&e=1704737574&h=1be2b092d4edcbf85aa74e1ffcbc55164a8fab4321b79081101f76ba79571765
If you have a sha256 program, this is the value it should return
if you check the ISO with it. It appears the composition of the disc is
a constant, so there is no "session number" stored inside the ISO. Every
ISO for US-English has the same checksum.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
*******
You should be checking your Seamonkey/Paganini setup and making
sure it works to your satisfaction. For that is what you'll be using
when the Google connection is broken, and Google works in isolation.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 7:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/6/2024 3:36 PM, Paul wrote:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49 >>>>
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
[Picture] Ran a burn at 4X and it seems to be fine.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4VQ4P26/4-X-Write-TS-H653-G-DW30-MKM-003-00.gif
I would try setting the burn to 4X and use a blank disc.
If your profile looks like the center of "MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif",
then you probably don't need to flash up the drive. Since I didn't do
the work in logical order (went up the road and got a sample qty of MKM-003 >>> after burning DW30), I can't really compare how it would have worked
without a firmware update. It's possible the firmware updates were
for "stability of certain operations", rather than the more normal
addition of media labels to database.
According to an article I was reading, the drive can actually do
"calibration burns" in the middle of burning a dual layer disc,
and there is apparently an area of the disc intended for this purpose.
Paul
We got so involved with the 780 Win10 I forgot to switch
the hd's and do my mrimgs. So I did that on 1-5-24 then
switched them back.
btw, we have to set-up Win 10 for mrimgs and run one as a
test to make sure it works before were done.
I got my second batch of DVD+RDL's so we have (7) in total
now we can use.
What about Google banning Usernet posts? Are we going to be
affected? Let me know please,
I checked the DVD+RDL
https://postimg.cc/CdDqSL0C
I had to go back and find the H22 download,
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
I right clicked it and put it in downloads and then tried to run it at 4X but got this
https://postimg.cc/grvn1SyN
then checked downloads and its only 1KB
https://postimg.cc/342x5NGd
Robert
It should take a significant amount of time for a 6.5GB ISO to download.
If your browser is not tied up for an hour doing that, then something is wrong.
It should not take half a second for that, it's a much longer operation.
Here is another link. Microsoft says the link is valid for 24 hours from now. I don't make this stupid scheme of theirs, this is their idea of fun.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=73b5701c-f595-4bd0-a53f-fafbde537b88&e=1704737574&h=1be2b092d4edcbf85aa74e1ffcbc55164a8fab4321b79081101f76ba79571765
If you have a sha256 program, this is the value it should return
if you check the ISO with it. It appears the composition of the disc is
a constant, so there is no "session number" stored inside the ISO. Every
ISO for US-English has the same checksum.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
*******
You should be checking your Seamonkey/Paganini setup and making
sure it works to your satisfaction. For that is what you'll be using
when the Google connection is broken, and Google works in isolation.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 7:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/6/2024 3:36 PM, Paul wrote:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r306360
Name: R306360-TS-H653G-DW30.exe
Size: 1910856 bytes (1866 KiB)
SHA256: 786F6FB27FB9AD631C0309EE595F440C82A531D43C7C1A0C59172E134B028D49 >>>>
[Picture] Flashing it, I'm not sure that is helping (yet)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJGVrjTt/TS-H653G.gif
*******
Compare the profile you see for your MKM-003 versus the center picture here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/vTSxLFr5/MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif
I have to download an ISO to test.
[Picture] Ran a burn at 4X and it seems to be fine.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4VQ4P26/4-X-Write-TS-H653-G-DW30-MKM-003-00.gif
I would try setting the burn to 4X and use a blank disc.
If your profile looks like the center of "MKM-003-drives-vs-media.gif",
then you probably don't need to flash up the drive. Since I didn't do
the work in logical order (went up the road and got a sample qty of MKM-003 >>> after burning DW30), I can't really compare how it would have worked
without a firmware update. It's possible the firmware updates were
for "stability of certain operations", rather than the more normal
addition of media labels to database.
According to an article I was reading, the drive can actually do
"calibration burns" in the middle of burning a dual layer disc,
and there is apparently an area of the disc intended for this purpose.
Paul
We got so involved with the 780 Win10 I forgot to switch
the hd's and do my mrimgs. So I did that on 1-5-24 then
switched them back.
btw, we have to set-up Win 10 for mrimgs and run one as a
test to make sure it works before were done.
I got my second batch of DVD+RDL's so we have (7) in total
now we can use.
What about Google banning Usernet posts? Are we going to be
affected? Let me know please,
I checked the DVD+RDL
https://postimg.cc/CdDqSL0C
I had to go back and find the H22 download,
Right-click this link, and Save As, into your Downloads folder.
This is the bigger version, at 6.5GB, but should still fit on a DL DVD.
This does not use MediaCreationTool.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=bc13bd00-ab91-4ce4-b87a-76b9d9d42b1c&e=1704204905&h=be2d07e6752b6af599dcc4177f637c64f87cff2a6ae905b537be03b81c53487e
I right clicked it and put it in downloads and then tried to run it at 4X but got this
https://postimg.cc/grvn1SyN
then checked downloads and its only 1KB
https://postimg.cc/342x5NGd
Robert
It should take a significant amount of time for a 6.5GB ISO to download.
If your browser is not tied up for an hour doing that, then something is wrong.
It should not take half a second for that, it's a much longer operation.
Here is another link. Microsoft says the link is valid for 24 hours from now. I don't make this stupid scheme of theirs, this is their idea of fun.
https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso?t=73b5701c-f595-4bd0-a53f-fafbde537b88&e=1704737574&h=1be2b092d4edcbf85aa74e1ffcbc55164a8fab4321b79081101f76ba79571765
If you have a sha256 program, this is the value it should return
if you check the ISO with it. It appears the composition of the disc is
a constant, so there is no "session number" stored inside the ISO. Every
ISO for US-English has the same checksum.
SHA256 A6F470CA6D331EB353B815C043E327A347F594F37FF525F17764738FE812852E
*******
You should be checking your Seamonkey/Paganini setup and making
sure it works to your satisfaction. For that is what you'll be using
when the Google connection is broken, and Google works in isolation.
Paul
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
Success !!!!
I have been using the Seamonkey/Paganini setup
constantly now and its working as it should. In fact
this post is via Seamonkey. So your saying were OK
then,.. even though it says Usernet's will not be
seen?
I also saved your instructions for setting up Seamonkey
Paganani in case I have any problems.
While waiting I ran the disk cleaner but I didn't
know what to check so I only did temporary files.
It had downloaded program files checked so I
unchecked it as well as thumbnails. I then ran
de-frag.
https://postimg.cc/PLVHtq8t # 20GB in recycle bin
https://postimg.cc/mz0GH6wJ # 77.9GB temporary files %temp%
https://postimg.cc/v1NJJSpT # Defrag running
I tried again, this time it said the download would
take 1 hr 47 minutes apprx. Afterward, I scanned the
download for virus's and malware (hex8). Then used
ImageBurn for H22.
https://postimg.cc/R32Khyh2 # Download file present Win10_22H2_English_x64v1.iso
https://postimg.cc/5YvvCgFy # Verified burn completed.
I made (3) copies. How should I label them? Win10
installer with the date?
What should we do next?
Robert
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups. New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups. New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups. New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups. New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups. New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups.
New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within >> GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
I would like to delete macrium on the 780 because I keep
getting pop-up's to update it and install my version of macrium.
However I don't seem to have a download for macrium?
Could you please provide one?
Thanks,
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/7/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
From what you say we should be OK with Seamonkey
because its working fine. However 'if' for whatever reason
we loose contact you have my yahoo email address because
I saw it posted once I think when we were doing profiles.
So if we loose contact please send me a message so I know
its from you e.g. subj: O.T. Paul so we can stay in contact.
Thanks,
Robert
You're sending that with Seamonkey, so it looks like it is working.
*******
You could apply for an account here, but it does not have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
https://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en
*******
And news.mixmin.net on port 563, on a day-to-day basis is not
functional, so it's hard to predict whether it could ever be
used for any practical purpose.
It requires no account. In the server settings, it needs to be
changed from 119 to 563. And have the appropriate SSL/TLS flag flipped.
The admin set it up that way, so post contents could not be viewed
while messages are in transit on the Internet.
It was not allowing posting for a while.
The problem with mixmin seems to be related to disk space on the
server, and the machine never has any space to work and it's
cramped and slow as a result. The server has multiple functions,
and USENET News is not a particular priority item. The admin checks
his USENET server maybe once a month (that's just a rough guess
based on symptoms).
*******
When I tried to get an account on Solani, I did not get a response.
But if you want to try, go ahead. This could function as a
second server, for days when Paganini is down (if ever).
Paganini is available more often than Mixmin :-)
And it might have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general .
https://www.solani.org/
At least they have a web page and all.
It doesn't matter which server you send from, the message is
distributed to all servers (servers that have microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ).
But after Feb 24, 2024, the postings from USENET will not be on GoogleGroups.
New posts won't be going there. Posts within GoogleGroups, will stay within >> GoogleGroups.
|
GoogleGroups | paganini ------- eternal-september Picture as of Feb25,2024
| \ /
| \ /
| mixmin --- Solani USENET
There are other USENET servers, in various states of dis-repair.
One of them for example, is read-only, and when I want to check
how bad the unfiltered spam level is out there, that's the server
I read to check. You can see thousands of spam posts that
the responsible server admins have filtered off.
For the servers requiring registration and an account setup,
those have an expiry time if you are not using the account.
For example, I've used eternal-september for a long time, and
by sending posts all the time, the account does not expire. But
the administrator "harvests" accounts that are not being used,
so the accounts will not be abused by hackers.
Paul
I applied to Solani so we'll see, but SeaMonkey is working
fine and so we shouldn't have any problems.
I successfully exported/imported my bookmarks to the 780
but I need to get a 1TB Patriot to move My Documents and
have to wait till the 24th before I can order one.
How do I get the default FF homepage to take and all the
pop-ups screens to stop popping up? Like the backup pop up.
I keep saying no thanks but it keeps coming back.
Robert
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
I checked my email and Solani sent me this.
https://postimg.cc/D8LsdSN9
but I don't know how to use it?
Robert
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
This is a test on the 780 Rob 1 User Account Seamonkey
to make sure it’s working. I had to set iot up on Rob1.
I’ve made FF my homepage on the 780 but I still get pop-ups
for Macrium and Windows backup. I want to delete macrium
and download my own version but I don’t seem to have a download
for it? Could you please provide me with one?
Also how do I get rid of the constant Windows backup pop-up?
I just got it again while writing this. We have the mrimgs and
don’t really need it. Btw, once were finished with the 780 we
should run a mrimg on Win 10 to make sure it works.
After that we need to do the 8500 and repeat everything except it
shouldn’t have a User Account with pin numbers unless the pin
number account went with the Win 10 upgrade.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
I blotted out the password and my email address just to be
safe.
I went to news.solani.org but have no idea what to do.
I has Microsoft.public.Windowsxp.general listed in their
groups but I don't know how to access it? Its saying use my
usename and password with the news.solani.org so I entered
news.solani.org/RobnCApassword but it didn't work.
Yeah but I was working off of Seamonkey program where I
clicked Windows and created a new account. I don't see anything
like that for Solani to open. I'm not following your instructions
for Solani, how do to access Local folder?
Yes, the 780 has macrium but this wasn't on the 780 it was
on the 8500 that I was trying to browse with.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
I managed to get FF as my default browser on the 780
but still haven't been able to make a homepage in Win10.
I read somewhere that they did away with the homepage
in Win 10, true? It sounds like I can't do about:blank in
Win 10 but it works in Win 7
I don't think I want to go down the sharing path, especially
when you say setting it up is a pain in the ass. I have enough
on my plate as is and the Patriot is simple and easy.
The 8500 has 3.0 USB ports(blue) and the 780 has 2.0 USB
(black)ports. We installed a PCI card with 3.0 USB ports (blue)
on the 780 but its non-functional.
I know there's room on the 780 because the hd is identical to
the 8500 except there's nothing on the 780 at the moment except
my bookmarks. It's empty except for the OS.
Robert
On 1/9/2024 4:30 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
I blotted out the password and my email address just to be
safe.
I went to news.solani.org but have no idea what to do.
I has Microsoft.public.Windowsxp.general listed in their
groups but I don't know how to access it? Its saying use my
usename and password with the news.solani.org so I entered
news.solani.org/RobnCApassword but it didn't work.
Yeah but I was working off of Seamonkey program where I
clicked Windows and created a new account. I don't see anything
like that for Solani to open. I'm not following your instructions
for Solani, how do to access Local folder?
Yes, the 780 has macrium but this wasn't on the 780 it was
on the 8500 that I was trying to browse with.
Robert
When we set up the Paganini account, we used the "Mail and Newsgroups" in Seamonkey.
NOT the web browser portion of Seamonkey. Solani is NOT a Google Groups.
Browsing is HTTP and done in the web browser.
USENET is NNTP done in "Mail and Newsgroups".
Regular email would be "Mail and Newsgroups" as POP3 or IMAP, as examples.
The Seamonkey web browser screen, is the control panel for Seamonkey.
From the Window menu in the web browser, is "Mail and Newsgroup" entry.
It is through that entry, you will be setting up Solani.
From Mail and Newsgroups window, File : New : Other Accounts and
a dialog should appear to enter your Solani details, in the
same way you did it for Paganini.
Seamonkey Web browser
| \
(Normal browsing) \
Window : Mail and Newsgroups (main window)
\
New : Other Accounts
Paul
On 1/10/2024 7:12 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
This is a test on the 780 Rob 1 User Account Seamonkey
to make sure it’s working. I had to set iot up on Rob1.
I’ve made FF my homepage on the 780 but I still get pop-ups
for Macrium and Windows backup. I want to delete macrium
and download my own version but I don’t seem to have a download
for it? Could you please provide me with one?
Also how do I get rid of the constant Windows backup pop-up?
I just got it again while writing this. We have the mrimgs and
don’t really need it. Btw, once were finished with the 780 we
should run a mrimg on Win 10 to make sure it works.
After that we need to do the 8500 and repeat everything except it
shouldn’t have a User Account with pin numbers unless the pin
number account went with the Win 10 upgrade.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
This won't be available for that many more days. Test it and see.
Save the executable to your Downloads when the dialog pops up.
https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v7/v7.3.6391/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
You have made Firefox your Default Browser in Windows 10.
Setting starting screens or tabs, would be done from inside Firefox settings. Or alternately, when it needs help, by Notepad hand-editing a setting in prefs.js .
*******
The Macrium and Windows Backup popups come through Notifications.
[Picture] Settings : System : Notifications for things like Backups
https://i.postimg.cc/RZf96X4C/W10-notifications-backup.gif
*******
PIN numbers only get used, if you pay attention to the "every three day" exhortation to "finish setup". I have read that someone had PIN usage
from the very beginning, but presumably they got the full screen dialog
to finish setup and paid attention to that.
You should not be able to get netplwiz capability back again.
It seems that once you start working with multiple accounts,
the interface option to select "no password", it disappears from netplwiz dialog.
Paul
On 1/10/2024 7:12 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
This is a test on the 780 Rob 1 User Account Seamonkey
to make sure it’s working. I had to set iot up on Rob1.
I’ve made FF my homepage on the 780 but I still get pop-ups
for Macrium and Windows backup. I want to delete macrium
and download my own version but I don’t seem to have a download
for it? Could you please provide me with one?
Also how do I get rid of the constant Windows backup pop-up?
I just got it again while writing this. We have the mrimgs and
don’t really need it. Btw, once were finished with the 780 we
should run a mrimg on Win 10 to make sure it works.
After that we need to do the 8500 and repeat everything except it
shouldn’t have a User Account with pin numbers unless the pin
number account went with the Win 10 upgrade.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
This won't be available for that many more days. Test it and see.
Save the executable to your Downloads when the dialog pops up.
https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v7/v7.3.6391/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
You have made Firefox your Default Browser in Windows 10.
Setting starting screens or tabs, would be done from inside Firefox settings. Or alternately, when it needs help, by Notepad hand-editing a setting in prefs.js .
*******
The Macrium and Windows Backup popups come through Notifications.
[Picture] Settings : System : Notifications for things like Backups
https://i.postimg.cc/RZf96X4C/W10-notifications-backup.gif
*******
PIN numbers only get used, if you pay attention to the "every three day" exhortation to "finish setup". I have read that someone had PIN usage
from the very beginning, but presumably they got the full screen dialog
to finish setup and paid attention to that.
You should not be able to get netplwiz capability back again.
It seems that once you start working with multiple accounts,
the interface option to select "no password", it disappears from netplwiz dialog.
Paul
On 1/10/2024 7:12 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2024 9:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to browse the mrimgs to copy/paste but I
couldn't get it to work and the drive letters never
appeared. It seemed different since the last time I
used it and I had your instructions to go by.
Robert
It won't work unless Macrium is installed. Check
and see if a Macrium icon is on the desktop right now.
(On the machine where you are attempting to mount the MRIMG.)
Paul
This is a test on the 780 Rob 1 User Account Seamonkey
to make sure it’s working. I had to set iot up on Rob1.
I’ve made FF my homepage on the 780 but I still get pop-ups
for Macrium and Windows backup. I want to delete macrium
and download my own version but I don’t seem to have a download
for it? Could you please provide me with one?
Also how do I get rid of the constant Windows backup pop-up?
I just got it again while writing this. We have the mrimgs and
don’t really need it. Btw, once were finished with the 780 we
should run a mrimg on Win 10 to make sure it works.
After that we need to do the 8500 and repeat everything except it
shouldn’t have a User Account with pin numbers unless the pin
number account went with the Win 10 upgrade.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
This won't be available for that many more days. Test it and see.
Save the executable to your Downloads when the dialog pops up.
https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v7/v7.3.6391/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
You have made Firefox your Default Browser in Windows 10.
Setting starting screens or tabs, would be done from inside Firefox settings. Or alternately, when it needs help, by Notepad hand-editing a setting in prefs.js .
*******
The Macrium and Windows Backup popups come through Notifications.
[Picture] Settings : System : Notifications for things like Backups
https://i.postimg.cc/RZf96X4C/W10-notifications-backup.gif
*******
PIN numbers only get used, if you pay attention to the "every three day" exhortation to "finish setup". I have read that someone had PIN usage
from the very beginning, but presumably they got the full screen dialog
to finish setup and paid attention to that.
You should not be able to get netplwiz capability back again.
It seems that once you start working with multiple accounts,
the interface option to select "no password", it disappears from netplwiz dialog.
Paul
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
Well I installed the PCI car with the 3.0 ports
but the molex cable had no place to plug into.
Still, once plugged in I expected to see some
drivers pop-up but none did.
So could you provide a driver for it?
I will try Solani again.....
Robert
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I checked Device Manager but I couldn't see anything.
https://postimg.cc/pmKCtX7n
I switched the Win 10 hd with the Win 7 hd and checked to make sure the PCI card was firmly seated then ran the mini disc but it gave the same reply as before and the 3.0 port doesn't respond.
https://postimg.cc/6TThphgK
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
I did send it.
Here is the evidence of transmission.
Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
Paul
On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
I did send it.
Here is the evidence of transmission.
Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
I did send it.
Here is the evidence of transmission.
Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
Paul
I checked Disk Management again under USB and sure enough
it's there but the 3.0 port doesn't respond.
https://postimg.cc/BL0jmVdy # Renesas item is present
I followed your instructions but my results are allot different:
https://postimg.cc/F7c24CqG
https://postimg.cc/R3PYRk6C
https://postimg.cc/47mSFWV6
https://postimg.cc/PvDFdN6N
I download and ran the TreeView program
https://postimg.cc/RNrDXQFt
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
I did send it.
Here is the evidence of transmission.
Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
Paul
Your right, you did send it and I remember reading that section but
my eyes must have been glazed over. I ran it and downloaded it and
scanned for malware and virus's (hex8) then installed macrium V 7.3
on the 780. After it installed it asked if I wanted to upgrade to V8.
I wasn't sure so I clicked later. Usually, that's a yes,.. but I just wanted to check with you first.
https://postimg.cc/p97wxN2G
Interesting about the PCI 3.0 ports on the 780 isn't it? It shows its there but doesn't work? I tried another USB with it to test it and nothing.
I put the same USB in the 8500 and it detected it.
Robert
On 1/12/2024 7:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
Robert
I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
All with a Solani MID.
Seems to be working.
Paul
I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
Could you please provide a link for macrium
to download?
Thanks,
Robert
I did send it.
Here is the evidence of transmission.
Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
Paul
Your right, you did send it and I remember reading that section but
my eyes must have been glazed over. I ran it and downloaded it and
scanned for malware and virus's (hex8) then installed macrium V 7.3
on the 780. After it installed it asked if I wanted to upgrade to V8.
I wasn't sure so I clicked later. Usually, that's a yes,.. but I just wanted >> to check with you first.
https://postimg.cc/p97wxN2G
Interesting about the PCI 3.0 ports on the 780 isn't it? It shows its there >> but doesn't work? I tried another USB with it to test it and nothing.
I put the same USB in the 8500 and it detected it.
Robert
Whether you use Macrium V8, would depend on whether you have a V8 Rescue CD. I'm pretty happy here, to use Version 7 for the free full backups it offers. I have the CD for that one.
*******
It still remains to be seen, whether the USB3 port on the Renesas is working. The TreeView program can be left running, while you plug in the powered drive.
If you are using things like 2.5" WD Passport drives, maybe there is not enough current coming from the card for that. But you have 3.5" drives
in a separately-powered external enclosure, and that should work without
any consideration for card power. Don't forget to connect the external
drive to its AC based power source.
Paul
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it, is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it, >> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif >>>
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs >>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif >>>
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs >>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif >>>>
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs >>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif >>>>
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs >>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
Yes, I've tried both 3.0 ports,.. nothing, so I put it in
a 2.0 port so you see the change; its Port 1. I was
using the USB Adaptor with Sandisk.
https://postimg.cc/KRpBgmjJ
I also saw this when I checked hidden icons:
https://postimg.cc/Yv4g6Tmk
I right clicked it - One drive isn't connected?
https://postimg.cc/XpPBYx1P
Robert
On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died). >>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs >>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be >>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.
You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.
A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
*******
You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died). >>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be >>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.
You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.
A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
*******
You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.
Paul
This is the card I bought:
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
that Win 7 Pro does.
What about the Account Protection and App
& Browser Control with yellow triangles?
dismiss them?
https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
Things still to do...
1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
frame with (4) screws.
I've done it before but you'd think they would
design it a bit more user friendly.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died). >>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be >>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.
You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store. >>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.
A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
*******
You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.
Paul
This is the card I bought:
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
that Win 7 Pro does.
What about the Account Protection and App
& Browser Control with yellow triangles?
dismiss them?
https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
Things still to do...
1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
frame with (4) screws.
I've done it before but you'd think they would
design it a bit more user friendly.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
section of the manual.
https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
(some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
But a couple people mention they could not get external
device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
is connected to the ugt-pc345.
See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
(with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
power converter was not working.
Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would play a part if failing to detect.
*******
This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches on either side of the Y.
I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
one leg.
You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
reach all the way down to the USB card.
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
6 \
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
Renesas
AuxPower
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
9 \
9 \
\
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
9 \
\
Renesas
AuxPower
Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
when working inside a PC.
The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
Paul
On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk >>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died). >>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be >>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.
You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store. >>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.
A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
*******
You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.
Paul
This is the card I bought:
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
that Win 7 Pro does.
What about the Account Protection and App
& Browser Control with yellow triangles?
dismiss them?
https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
Things still to do...
1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
frame with (4) screws.
I've done it before but you'd think they would
design it a bit more user friendly.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
section of the manual.
https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
(some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
But a couple people mention they could not get external
device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
is connected to the ugt-pc345.
See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
(with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
power converter was not working.
Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would play a part if failing to detect.
*******
This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches on either side of the Y.
I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
one leg.
You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
reach all the way down to the USB card.
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
6 \
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
Renesas
AuxPower
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
9 \
9 \
\
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
9 \
\
Renesas
AuxPower
Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
when working inside a PC.
The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
Paul
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to >>>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
Robert
Leave the TreeView running.
Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)
Plug in the Patriot.
It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died). >>>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be >>>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress. >>>>>>>>
Paul
I followed your instructions:
https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
here's Disk Management
https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
Robert
Hmmmm.
Have you tried all the ports ?
If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
Paul
I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons. >>>>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?
https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
Thanks,
Robert
Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.
You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store. >>>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help >>>> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.
A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
*******
You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.
Paul
This is the card I bought:
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
that Win 7 Pro does.
What about the Account Protection and App
& Browser Control with yellow triangles?
dismiss them?
https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
Things still to do...
1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
frame with (4) screws.
I've done it before but you'd think they would
design it a bit more user friendly.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
section of the manual.
https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
(some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
But a couple people mention they could not get external
device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
is connected to the ugt-pc345.
See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
(with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
power converter was not working.
Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would >> play a part if failing to detect.
*******
This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches >> on either side of the Y.
I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
one leg.
You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
reach all the way down to the USB card.
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
6 \
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
6 \
Renesas >> AuxPower
ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
9 \
9 \
\
female lp4lp4 ---------X
\
9 \
\
Renesas >> AuxPower >>
Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single
asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent
supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using
Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
when working inside a PC.
The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively
efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
Paul
Success!
You pointed me in the right direction. I used the
optical drive cable and connected it to the PCI
Molex cable.
https://postimg.cc/vgkctGCP # Can't disable optical drive, without informing BIOS SATA enables
https://postimg.cc/mzvgF8FJ # USB stick seen
https://postimg.cc/N2twcVXs # Properties, 8GB stick
https://postimg.cc/LJWKXhP0 # Safely remove icon
https://postimg.cc/3dR3Js6N # Has an eject, could be NTFS.
I'll have to put the optical cable back of course, but
I wanted to test it and see if it would work.
I'll have to order cables on the 24th,.. but I don't
know if the one you showed will be long enough?
I'll need male/female connections. one for the PCI
card and one for the optical cable connection.
What about the Windows Security yellow triangles?
Should I dismiss them or what?
https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
Robert
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.
Things still to do...
1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10
Robert
On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.
Things still to do...
1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10
Robert
You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack $2.99 each
https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
*******
This is where you set the default browser.
Settings : Apps : Default Apps
*******
Setting the homepage is harder.
I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
(which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
thinking.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.
Things still to do...
1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10
Robert
You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack $2.99 each
https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
*******
This is where you set the default browser.
Settings : Apps : Default Apps
*******
Setting the homepage is harder.
I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
(which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
thinking.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone >>
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
Paul
Here's the inside of the 780:
https://postimg.cc/3W1pcT5L
I disconnected the optical drive
so the second connection down
the cable would have enough length
to reach my molex cable. I then
connected my molex cable to it
and we had success.
I'll order the cables on the 24th and the
1TB Patriot to copy/paste My Documents
from the 8500 to the 780.
I already set the Apps and FF as my
default browser.
I remember reading somewhere that
Win 10 doesn't have a homepage
like Win 7. They did away with it.
I read your instructions for about:blank,
and the Start-up homepage overide. whew!@!!
Hmmmmm seems allot like hacking ,..
and I never liked going into about:config
that's too dangerous. It seems that they did
do away with the homepage/icon on Win 10
because I didn't have to do all this on Win 7.
I think I'll leave it as is. I don't want to mess
things up just to get about blank and I didn't
realize it was going to be this much work.
We have enough on our plate as it is.
I guess I'll just have to get use to not having
it on Win 10.
Once I move My Documents and connect the
PCI card with 3.0 ports with molex cables. We
should be done and can run a mrimg on the 780
Win 10.
What do you think?
Robert
On 1/16/2024 12:15 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Here's TreeViwer:
https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
Robert
Yup. Looks good.
Paul
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.
Things still to do...
1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10
Robert
You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack $2.99 each
https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
*******
This is where you set the default browser.
Settings : Apps : Default Apps
*******
Setting the homepage is harder.
I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
(which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
thinking.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone >>>
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
Paul
Here's the inside of the 780:
https://postimg.cc/3W1pcT5L
I disconnected the optical drive
so the second connection down
the cable would have enough length
to reach my molex cable. I then
connected my molex cable to it
and we had success.
I'll order the cables on the 24th and the
1TB Patriot to copy/paste My Documents
from the 8500 to the 780.
I already set the Apps and FF as my
default browser.
I remember reading somewhere that
Win 10 doesn't have a homepage
like Win 7. They did away with it.
I read your instructions for about:blank,
and the Start-up homepage overide. whew!@!!
Hmmmmm seems allot like hacking ,..
and I never liked going into about:config
that's too dangerous. It seems that they did
do away with the homepage/icon on Win 10
because I didn't have to do all this on Win 7.
I think I'll leave it as is. I don't want to mess
things up just to get about blank and I didn't
realize it was going to be this much work.
We have enough on our plate as it is.
I guess I'll just have to get use to not having
it on Win 10.
Once I move My Documents and connect the
PCI card with 3.0 ports with molex cables. We
should be done and can run a mrimg on the 780
Win 10.
What do you think?
Robert
That sounds like a reasonable plan.
Paul
So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
resume.
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
resume.
Thanks,
Robert
OK.
Paul
On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
resume.
Thanks,
Robert
OK.
Paul
How do I turn off the Windows backup pop-up
that keeps popping up?
https://postimg.cc/ppSMfMcz
Thanks,
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I went back and reviewed the links for the molex cables.
It seems it will work with just (2) Startech molex cables
so where do I splice in the Y-molex cable?
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/19/2024 11:32 PM, RobnCA wrote:
How do I turn off the Windows backup pop-up
that keeps popping up?
https://postimg.cc/ppSMfMcz
Thanks,
Robert
Settings : System : Notifications & Actions
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/sXDmY2Xk/w10-notifications.gif
Those will get switched back on, during a Repair install
or a Clean install.
Paul
So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
cable.
There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
and restarted the computer to install updates and all looks
good.
I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
cable.
There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
and restarted the computer to install updates and all looks
good.
I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
Thanks,
Robert
One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
used for an extension cable.
The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
cable.
There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
and restarted the computer to install updates and all looks
good.
I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
Thanks,
Robert
One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
used for an extension cable.
The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
Paul
OIC, you want me to use the Y connection at the PCI card
and then attach the molex cables on one side leaving the other
open. Yes, those are SATA connections and where I connect to
the optical cable.
Hmmm interesting about the card,, I'll take pics of it for you
when I do the cables.
Were getting close to finishing,. then create a mrimg and were
done.
Then we turn to the 8500,......
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/21/2024 7:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
cable.
There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
and restarted the computer to install updates and all looks
good.
I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,..... >>>>
Thanks,
Robert
One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
used for an extension cable.
The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
Paul
OIC, you want me to use the Y connection at the PCI card
and then attach the molex cables on one side leaving the other
open. Yes, those are SATA connections and where I connect to
the optical cable.
Hmmm interesting about the card,, I'll take pics of it for you
when I do the cables.
Were getting close to finishing,. then create a mrimg and were
done.
Then we turn to the 8500,......
Thanks,
Robert
Where the optical drive power was connected before,
you can fit a Y-cable between it and the drive, and
then end up with an extra power connection to use
elsewhere.
The other Y-cables, it would make more sense if they were
straight extension cables, but the price determines what
you buy, rather than the practicality. In the picture,
I just wrapped ties around them to tidy them up a bit.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/J7vCcDNb/Y-cables-for-power.jpg
Paul
On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
| \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
|
|____ Qualifying OS
OS has license
You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,
slmgr /dlv
would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
Paul
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself >> | \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
|
|____ Qualifying OS
OS has license
You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,
slmgr /dlv
would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
Paul
I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
switch hd's.
If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
completed because that's going to be my only means
of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
put in the Win 10 hd.
Robert
On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
| \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
|
|____ Qualifying OS
OS has license
You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,
slmgr /dlv
would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
Paul
I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
switch hd's.
If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
completed because that's going to be my only means
of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
put in the Win 10 hd.
Robert
The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
drive might go.
But you can see this better than I can.
The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
while you are fitting the bolts.
It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
them takes time.
It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
Paul
On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
| \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
|
|____ Qualifying OS
OS has license
You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,
slmgr /dlv
would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
Paul
I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
switch hd's.
If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
completed because that's going to be my only means
of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
put in the Win 10 hd.
Robert
The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
drive might go.
But you can see this better than I can.
The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
while you are fitting the bolts.
It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
them takes time.
It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
Paul
On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.
I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.
Robert
There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
| \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
|
|____ Qualifying OS
OS has license
You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,
slmgr /dlv
would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
Paul
I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
switch hd's.
If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
completed because that's going to be my only means
of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
put in the Win 10 hd.
Robert
The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
drive might go.
But you can see this better than I can.
The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
while you are fitting the bolts.
It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
them takes time.
It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
Paul
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
I switched the cables again,, here's the 8500 Win 10
https://postimg.cc/Mcb65HXR
https://postimg.cc/xkYYXQgd
https://postimg.cc/Mffgs3t4
I bought the 1TB Patriot sticks and I tried to buy the Startech
molex cables but there doesn't seem to be a way to pay for them?
I also tried to buy the Y cable but I had to have a cell phone number.
Could you please send me links so I can order and pay? Preferably
through PayPal.
Thanks,
Robert
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:8500.
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a >> ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.
The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean8500.
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:8500.
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a >> ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.
The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
Paul
On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:8500.
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a >> ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.
The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
Paul
Understood,..... but in your instructions... 25 the last instruction does want me
to enter an email account which you said to avoid but that's where I create the Admin Account correct?
I'll pick a similar name as my other Admin Accounts.
Robert
Paul wrote:8500.
On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a >>> ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name. >>
I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.
The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a >> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
Paul
Let's just skip over making an mrimg for the 8500 Win10
since I can't access it anyway. There's nothing on it so
we can go straight to erasing it and the 22H2.
Robert
On 1/26/2024 6:57 AM, RobnCA wrote:8500.
Paul wrote:
On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
Robert
That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.
Paul
1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.
2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a >>>> ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
3. disconnect all other hd's
I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
Your instructions are easier to follow.
... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the
I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
difficult to remove the cable.
Robert
Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.
https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name. >>>
I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.
The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a >>> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a >>> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
Paul
Let's just skip over making an mrimg for the 8500 Win10
since I can't access it anyway. There's nothing on it so
we can go straight to erasing it and the 22H2.
Robert
You can randomly access the content. Macrium mounter has a
"remove restrictions" capability on an MRIMG, so any folder you
want can be opened for inspection.
You might also end up putting the MRIMG back at a later date.
Depending on how the clean install goes.
Paul
Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.
OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
Robert
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.
OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
Robert
Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
does not work the first time, you can always do it
again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
connected, is all you need for the install.
I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
Or for usage of OneDrive.
Paul
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.
OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
Robert
Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
does not work the first time, you can always do it
again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
connected, is all you need for the install.
I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
Or for usage of OneDrive.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.
OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
Robert
Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
does not work the first time, you can always do it
again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
connected, is all you need for the install.
I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
Or for usage of OneDrive.
Paul
I re-read the instructions for installing Win10 on the 8500
It says before installing to disable secure boot and fast boot?
Step 1. create bootable ISO - done
Step 3 - I'm not understanding what I do here?
Step 4 - disconnect Internet before install
Step 5 - boot from flash drive? I thought we were using 22H2 ?
Step 9 - enter Win10 product key- 8500 Product Key ?
Step 14. Legacy BIOS
Step 16 install Win10
Step 21 check for Internet (when did we re-connect it after Step 4?)
Step 23> go to Step25
Step 25 bogus telephone number, click offline account lower left
a. privacy settings? I generally turn them all off except inking and typing.
Step 29 set time/date
Step 30 install FF, Seamonkey,Word, Excel, Dell Imagining, Set FF
as default and turn off notifications, import bookmarks, copy/past My Documents. A/V suite, macrium....
Step 31 create mrimg
On 1/27/2024 2:38 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.
OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
Robert
Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
does not work the first time, you can always do it
again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
connected, is all you need for the install.
I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
Or for usage of OneDrive.
Paul
I re-read the instructions for installing Win10 on the 8500
It says before installing to disable secure boot and fast boot?
Step 1. create bootable ISO - done
Step 3 - I'm not understanding what I do here?
Step 4 - disconnect Internet before install
Step 5 - boot from flash drive? I thought we were using 22H2 ?
Step 9 - enter Win10 product key- 8500 Product Key ?
Step 14. Legacy BIOS
Step 16 install Win10
Step 21 check for Internet (when did we re-connect it after Step 4?)
Step 23> go to Step25
Step 25 bogus telephone number, click offline account lower left
a. privacy settings? I generally turn them all off except inking and typing. >>
Step 29 set time/date
Step 30 install FF, Seamonkey,Word, Excel, Dell Imagining, Set FF
as default and turn off notifications, import bookmarks, copy/past My
Documents. A/V suite, macrium....
Step 31 create mrimg
http://www.macbreaker.com/2013/06/xps-8500-best-prebuilt-hackintosh.html
"The motherboard of the XPS 8500 uses UEFI.
... enter the BIOS of your XPS 8500 and turn off "UEFI mode" and "Secure boot"
"
I would just leave the machine in the mode it is currently in.
That's so the Windows 7 disk drive continues to boot. The popup boot
only seems to support one mode at a time, making it... less than useful.
https://blog.plip.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2020/08/dell.boot_.ptompt.jpg
Even without logging into the Win10 current OS, you can use
a Macrium Rescue CD, to see how the disk is set up right now.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
You DONT have to enter a license key. Where it says license key,
you use "Skip" if you want. Remember, since you acquired the "Free Upgrade", your license key is stored on the Microsoft Server, and that key will
be populated from the server at the appropriate time later.
I can't really design a film strip for this, because I'm not
convinced I could cover every eventuality.
Paul
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif >>
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Is this better?
https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
Robert
On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif >>>
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something). >>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left, >>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Is this better?
https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
Robert
That's excellent. Thanks.
Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
"#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
"
I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
*******
Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif >>>
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something). >>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left, >>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Is this better?
https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
Robert
That's excellent. Thanks.
Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
"#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
"
I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
*******
Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif >>>
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something). >>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left, >>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Is this better?
https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
Robert
That's excellent. Thanks.
Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
"#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
"
I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
*******
Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
Robert
Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.
[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif >>>
Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something). >>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left, >>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.
Paul
Is this better?
https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
Robert
That's excellent. Thanks.
Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
"#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
"
I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
*******
Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
Paul
One thing, I noticed when I attached the SATA cable that
one of the black wires came loose on the other connection
end. Probably from all the connecting and disconnecting to
the PCI card. I was able to push the pin back in but do you
think I should epoxy it in? I'm afraid when I try to connect
the Startech cable that that pin will move backwards and not
connect.
Robert
I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.
https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
Robert
On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.
https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
Robert
It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
right formatter).
The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
stuff, making it LED dependent.
Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.
https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
Robert
It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
right formatter).
The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
stuff, making it LED dependent.
Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.
https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
Robert
It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
right formatter).
The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
stuff, making it LED dependent.
Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
Paul
On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.
https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
Robert
It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
right formatter).
The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
stuff, making it LED dependent.
Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
Paul
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
I'll check it again later and make sure,..
Robert
On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
I'll check it again later and make sure,..
Robert
The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
I did not really get the impression that caching was
disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
make the stick work any better.
Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
"checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
*******
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
Update Feb 2011
I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
Paul
On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
I'll check it again later and make sure,..
Robert
The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
I did not really get the impression that caching was
disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
make the stick work any better.
Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
"checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
*******
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
Update Feb 2011
I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
Robert
Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?
Paul
I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
I'll check it again later and make sure,..
Robert
The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
I did not really get the impression that caching was
disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
make the stick work any better.
Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
"checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
*******
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
Update Feb 2011
I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
Paul
I downloaded your zip file and extracted it and tried to run it but Windows Defender stopped it. I’m having a hard time trying to get this to run and don’t even know what I’m doing.
https://postimg.cc/F7VY75Jm
Robert
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it).
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it).
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it).
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator.
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
I was going to shut it down and start over but I got this,..
https://postimg.cc/gwYKj5sp
How long is this going to take? Its already run 1 hour and
the green bar hasn't moved at all.
Since it won't let me shut it down the only other way is to
power off the 780 manually. Or power off the modem but am afraid
of damaging the external hd's if I do.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
The 8500 mrimg is hung up. This time I didn’t mess up
with the external hd yet the 8500 mrimg is doing the same
type of thing as the 780 mrimg when I forgot to turn off
the external hd between mrimgs.
https://postimg.cc/ct6NdPfD
It’s been like this for hours and it won’t let me turn
it off either.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
The 8500 is still hung up and its been like this
all day. When I try to shut down it says macrium
is performing a task. All day?
It still says 1 hour and 41 minutes left and hasn't
budged.
How do I get out of this?
Thanks,
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ?
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
I finally had to powered off the modem, everything is OK,....
The 780 Win7 doesn't have Solani so I tried to put it on but
I could never get it to subscribe? I tried several times. I've
done this before but for some reason it just wouldn't do it.
Then I got this error.
https://postimg.cc/3yKZjsCL
https://postimg.cc/TL1qFnsg
I'll try running the 8500 mrimg again and hopefully I won't
have any problems.
Robert
On 2/2/2024 11:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif >>>>>
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ? >>>
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >>> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
I finally had to powered off the modem, everything is OK,....
The 780 Win7 doesn't have Solani so I tried to put it on but
I could never get it to subscribe? I tried several times. I've
done this before but for some reason it just wouldn't do it.
Then I got this error.
https://postimg.cc/3yKZjsCL
https://postimg.cc/TL1qFnsg
I'll try running the 8500 mrimg again and hopefully I won't
have any problems.
Robert
PS C:> nslookup 65.108.165.7
Name: reader6.news.weretis.net
Address: 65.108.165.7
PS C:> nslookup news.solani.org
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: news.solani.org
Addresses: 2a01:4f8:c010:63b5::1
2a01:4f8:1c17:f346::1
157.90.249.56
65.108.165.7
The documentation for that server, said it was virtualized, and
it is running as a VM on a Xeon machine of some sort.
Yet, the nslookup suggests is is aliased to another piece of
equipment.
The IP address maps here. That's a Hetzner COLO in Finland.
IP address: 65.108.165.7
hostname: reader6.news.weretis.net
ISP: Hetzner Online GmbH
ASN: AS24940
City: Helsinki
Country: Finland (FI) flag
Postal code: 00131
latitude: 60.1797
longitude: 24.9344
I would treat this as some sort of configuration error on
their end. Maybe they were in the middle of a server move
or something. Perhaps they engineered a fallback behavior,
when the VM wasn't working or had crashed.
The documentation says "reader5" and "reader6" here, so that
part is consistent with their intentions. But the reverse
lookup above wasn't what I was expecting.
https://www.solani.org/technical/
Try again a day from now, give them time to fix it.
the absolute worst administrators, only visit their server
once a month :-) Which means a service outage can go a long
time without a fix. You can imagine how much usage such a
server gets.
Paul
On 2/2/2024 11:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/1/2024 4:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/31/2024 2:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.
https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv
https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81
I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.
I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.
Robert
The Error 5 is because "usb-writecache.exe" needs Run As Administrator. >>>>>
But it still does not help. The settings do not help.
I tested both Win10 and Win11, and once they have made up
their mind what they are doing, nothing changes their tiny minds.
In this example, the stick is closer to emulating a USB hard drive
(because the tool that made the stick, fitted multiple partitions to it). >>>>>
And it merited a Safely Remove entry.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/htZXYVQq/Safely-Remove-Can-Work.gif >>>>>
But devices with a single partition don't seem to be working.
I knew I didn't want to wade into this area, because it's
always full of pit traps :-)
Paul
I think I'm going to hold off on the mrimgs; what happened was
I connected a Patriot to copy/paste My Documents,. it was the
wrong Patriot but when I tried to open the Downloads Word
document it opened up in Notebook instead of Word and was
un-readable.
This is what's on the Patriot:
https://postimg.cc/k6qQ4xh6
So how can I get the 780 Win7 to open Word instead of Notebook?
Thanks,
Robert
Is MS Word or Office installed on the OS which is booted at that moment ? >>>
Otherwise .doc maps to Wordpad perhaps, and since they've removed Wordpad, >>> maybe Notepad opens instead.
Paul
I finally had to powered off the modem, everything is OK,....
The 780 Win7 doesn't have Solani so I tried to put it on but
I could never get it to subscribe? I tried several times. I've
done this before but for some reason it just wouldn't do it.
Then I got this error.
https://postimg.cc/3yKZjsCL
https://postimg.cc/TL1qFnsg
I'll try running the 8500 mrimg again and hopefully I won't
have any problems.
Robert
PS C:> nslookup 65.108.165.7
Name: reader6.news.weretis.net
Address: 65.108.165.7
PS C:> nslookup news.solani.org
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: news.solani.org
Addresses: 2a01:4f8:c010:63b5::1
2a01:4f8:1c17:f346::1
157.90.249.56
65.108.165.7
The documentation for that server, said it was virtualized, and
it is running as a VM on a Xeon machine of some sort.
Yet, the nslookup suggests is is aliased to another piece of
equipment.
The IP address maps here. That's a Hetzner COLO in Finland.
IP address: 65.108.165.7
hostname: reader6.news.weretis.net
ISP: Hetzner Online GmbH
ASN: AS24940
City: Helsinki
Country: Finland (FI) flag
Postal code: 00131
latitude: 60.1797
longitude: 24.9344
I would treat this as some sort of configuration error on
their end. Maybe they were in the middle of a server move
or something. Perhaps they engineered a fallback behavior,
when the VM wasn't working or had crashed.
The documentation says "reader5" and "reader6" here, so that
part is consistent with their intentions. But the reverse
lookup above wasn't what I was expecting.
https://www.solani.org/technical/
Try again a day from now, give them time to fix it.
the absolute worst administrators, only visit their server
once a month :-) Which means a service outage can go a long
time without a fix. You can imagine how much usage such a
server gets.
Paul
Yes, the test only takes 10 seconds because I watched it
on the 8500 mrimg backup.
The target for the backups is the 6TB external hd's.
Yes, I used the new PCI card with3.0 ports. It's a bit
cumbersome though having to plug it in the rear and
on the bottom because it's on a board on the floor.
I couldn't get any of the buttons to react when it was
hung up. I tried hitting cancel and pause and I try
clicking cancel and pause but there was no reaction.
So you want me to use the newer macrium Rescue CD
for the 8500 ? I made a V7.3.6391, 64 bit on 12-5-23
so use that instead?
Robert
On 2/3/2024 12:41 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Yes, the test only takes 10 seconds because I watched it
on the 8500 mrimg backup.
The target for the backups is the 6TB external hd's.
Yes, I used the new PCI card with3.0 ports. It's a bit
cumbersome though having to plug it in the rear and
on the bottom because it's on a board on the floor.
I couldn't get any of the buttons to react when it was
hung up. I tried hitting cancel and pause and I try
clicking cancel and pause but there was no reaction.
So you want me to use the newer macrium Rescue CD
for the 8500 ? I made a V7.3.6391, 64 bit on 12-5-23
so use that instead?
Robert
You can test the 6TB manually, using that interface in the picture.
You can do that from the running copy of Windows, just to verify
the disk is OK.
The CD images could use a different driver, and yes, trying
another one of your CDs might be a quick way to check.
Paul
On 2/3/2024 12:41 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Yes, the test only takes 10 seconds because I watched it
on the 8500 mrimg backup.
The target for the backups is the 6TB external hd's.
Yes, I used the new PCI card with3.0 ports. It's a bit
cumbersome though having to plug it in the rear and
on the bottom because it's on a board on the floor.
I couldn't get any of the buttons to react when it was
hung up. I tried hitting cancel and pause and I try
clicking cancel and pause but there was no reaction.
So you want me to use the newer macrium Rescue CD
for the 8500 ? I made a V7.3.6391, 64 bit on 12-5-23
so use that instead?
Robert
You can test the 6TB manually, using that interface in the picture.
You can do that from the running copy of Windows, just to verify
the disk is OK.
The CD images could use a different driver, and yes, trying
another one of your CDs might be a quick way to check.
Paul
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usuallyhave to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
On 2/4/2024 8:50 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Clean install of Win 10
I've tried to think this through,....while re-reading instructions
create mrimg for 8500 Win10 hd before erasing it, <=== good idea
#2 disconnect the Win 7 external hd
#4 disconnect Ethernet
remove external hd
restart macrium and erase hd following your instructions with command prompt <=== Yes, you can select it, then do "clean"
remove macrium Rescue CD and replace with 22H2 DVD+DRL and leave tray open, close macrium and reboot
#3 - I choose Legacy Bios, correct? Am I booting to the BIOS at this point, F2 ?
How do I enable Legacy vs UEFI and how do I enable Secure Boot? <=== use the BIOS mode as currently set
you want W7 and W10 disks to boot the same way
#5 - were not booting from a flash drive but a DVD, I assume the tray will close
automatically at this point and load 22H2?
#6 - 64 bit installation <=== fixed by the DVD you made
#9 - skip product key
#10 - select Win 10 Pro edition to install <=== Yes
#14 - I'm unclear what to do here,... since the hd drive will be erased it shouldn't have
any partitions. Do I just click on the drive letter it gives me? <=== The big partition is C:
#23 - > go to step 25
#25 - bogus phone number, <=== Mainly, you want offline account in the left corner
click lower left offline account <=== You don't need to tease the thing.
do I enter bogus phone number again? <=== No, keep looking for the Limited Experience option
Windows 10 Enterprise - click lower left; Domain join instead <=== You're doing Pro, not Enterprise.
click lower left - Limited Experience
enter User name - Administrator's name? <=== Yes, this will be your administrator
enter password -
confirm password
security questions
privacy settings - I usually turn all of these off except inking & typing skip forums
skip Cortana <=== Yes, generally skip all the silly stuff.
#27 - Network Discovery - no <=== Might be used for File Sharing or Printing issues
<=== Your network is a Private one.
#28 - Welcome to Windows -
#29 - set time zone/date and time <=== Set time zone at least. Eyeball time correctness.
#30 - install drivers e.g. FF, SeaMonkey, A/V Suite, bookmarks, My Documents <=== It will do a lot of drivers for you
What do you think?
Robert
*******
Your list looks pretty good. I put comments by the side.
Paul
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
Paul wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
I tried to subscribe to Solani again on the 780 Win7 but
found I had a older version of Seamonkey which offered
a download for a newer stable version. So I downloaded
it (hex8) and then installed it but still same thing nothing.
https://postimg.cc/k6WJqmhd
Robert
Paul wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
I checked the BIOS and boot order, then the hard disk drives,
then the CD/DVD ROM Drives. Then the 4th boot device.
How do I change the boot order ?
https://postimg.cc/5XszhZX0
https://postimg.cc/DJXbb0BJ
https://postimg.cc/T5jLCS8T
https://postimg.cc/YvD4nYPL
Thanks,
Robert
On 2/5/2024 11:58 PM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
Paul wrote:
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
I checked the BIOS and boot order, then the hard disk drives,
then the CD/DVD ROM Drives. Then the 4th boot device.
How do I change the boot order ?
https://postimg.cc/5XszhZX0
https://postimg.cc/DJXbb0BJ
https://postimg.cc/T5jLCS8T
https://postimg.cc/YvD4nYPL
Thanks,
Robert
Normally, you would click on the third row (say, the Optical drive
you want to promote to the top), and on the right hand pane where
it provides help, it tells you what keys to use for elevation. It
might be the plus key and the minus key, to make it go up and down.
The arrow keys would allow you to focus on a different row, then use
the + and - keys to move the item around.
It should usually be some sort of combination of keys like that.
For my Retail UEFI BIOS here, I've never tried to move the
boot icons around with a mouse :-) I've got enough broken stuff
without starting into that. I just prefer to use the popup boot
key if I have a special thing that needs doing. On this machine,
F11 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the BIOS. On
the Asus machine, F8 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the
BIOS. Another machine, I think F2 gets me into the BIOS.
*******
OK, from some manual
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/417162/Dell-Xps-8500.html?page=127#manual
Changing Boot Sequence for Future Boots
1) Enter system setup. See "Entering System Setup" on page 119. [That's your "BIOS key"]
2) Use the arrow keys to highlight the Boot menu option
and press <Enter> to access the menu.
NOTE:
3) Press the up-arrow and down-arrow keys to move through the list of devices
[this navigates to the row you want to act on]
4) Press plus (+) or minus (–) to change the boot priority of the device
[push device up the screen].
Paul
On 2/5/2024 11:58 PM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
Paul wrote:
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
I checked the BIOS and boot order, then the hard disk drives,
then the CD/DVD ROM Drives. Then the 4th boot device.
How do I change the boot order ?
https://postimg.cc/5XszhZX0
https://postimg.cc/DJXbb0BJ
https://postimg.cc/T5jLCS8T
https://postimg.cc/YvD4nYPL
Thanks,
Robert
Normally, you would click on the third row (say, the Optical drive
you want to promote to the top), and on the right hand pane where
it provides help, it tells you what keys to use for elevation. It
might be the plus key and the minus key, to make it go up and down.
The arrow keys would allow you to focus on a different row, then use
the + and - keys to move the item around.
It should usually be some sort of combination of keys like that.
For my Retail UEFI BIOS here, I've never tried to move the
boot icons around with a mouse :-) I've got enough broken stuff
without starting into that. I just prefer to use the popup boot
key if I have a special thing that needs doing. On this machine,
F11 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the BIOS. On
the Asus machine, F8 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the
BIOS. Another machine, I think F2 gets me into the BIOS.
*******
OK, from some manual
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/417162/Dell-Xps-8500.html?page=127#manual
Changing Boot Sequence for Future Boots
1) Enter system setup. See "Entering System Setup" on page 119. [That's your "BIOS key"]
2) Use the arrow keys to highlight the Boot menu option
and press <Enter> to access the menu.
NOTE:
3) Press the up-arrow and down-arrow keys to move through the list of devices
[this navigates to the row you want to act on]
4) Press plus (+) or minus (–) to change the boot priority of the device
[push device up the screen].
Paul
On 2/5/2024 11:58 PM, Robert in CA wrote:have to hit F12 several times to change the boot order and select the CD.
Paul wrote:
On 2/5/2024 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I erase the hd and if I'm not changing anything in BIOS when I boot and the tray is open with the 22H2 DVD how do I initialize it to start Win10 installation? Because the 8500 doesn't recognize the optical drive like the 780 does and I usually
We also have to get Solani working on the 780 Win7 before I do anything on the 8500. I'll try again tomorrow.
Robert
Isn't the optical drive in the boot order ?
The SATA port for the optical drive should be "ON".
As is the SATA port for the hard drive.
The optical drive should be before the HDD, in the boot order.
And it should be picked up automatically, if a disc is in the tray.
Some discs, they say "press a key to boot from DVD..." ,
so they require a key press at that point. Will a
key press from your Microsoft keyboard work ? Dunno.
I realize the Dell is a piece of work, when it comes to booting.
Paul
I checked the BIOS and boot order, then the hard disk drives,
then the CD/DVD ROM Drives. Then the 4th boot device.
How do I change the boot order ?
https://postimg.cc/5XszhZX0
https://postimg.cc/DJXbb0BJ
https://postimg.cc/T5jLCS8T
https://postimg.cc/YvD4nYPL
Thanks,
Robert
Normally, you would click on the third row (say, the Optical drive
you want to promote to the top), and on the right hand pane where
it provides help, it tells you what keys to use for elevation. It
might be the plus key and the minus key, to make it go up and down.
The arrow keys would allow you to focus on a different row, then use
the + and - keys to move the item around.
It should usually be some sort of combination of keys like that.
For my Retail UEFI BIOS here, I've never tried to move the
boot icons around with a mouse :-) I've got enough broken stuff
without starting into that. I just prefer to use the popup boot
key if I have a special thing that needs doing. On this machine,
F11 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the BIOS. On
the Asus machine, F8 is popup boot and <Delete> key gets me into the
BIOS. Another machine, I think F2 gets me into the BIOS.
*******
OK, from some manual
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/417162/Dell-Xps-8500.html?page=127#manual
Changing Boot Sequence for Future Boots
1) Enter system setup. See "Entering System Setup" on page 119. [That's your "BIOS key"]
2) Use the arrow keys to highlight the Boot menu option
and press <Enter> to access the menu.
NOTE:
3) Press the up-arrow and down-arrow keys to move through the list of devices
[this navigates to the row you want to act on]
4) Press plus (+) or minus (–) to change the boot priority of the device
[push device up the screen].
Paul
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
I’m on the 780; I started the chkdsk C: /r
https://postimg.cc/nXJnRdqm
https://postimg.cc/K1vH8B2V
It’s weird its X: not C: after I did the cd/
At present; Stage is at 56% and Total is 8%
Also SeaMonkey prompted me for my
Username and password.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
I started to run the mrimg then I got this:
https://postimg.cc/XGH6Hkrn
https://postimg.cc/zbWTp0tg
https://postimg.cc/w3Qwpj2s
https://postimg.cc/d70Y8f05
Ok now what? Should I run chkdsk from
the command prompt?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I ran the chkdsk C: /r then ran the mrimg.
The 3rd picture shows a Recycle bin folder
and System Volume Information folder. I did
not create those. I usually only see the
8500 Mrimgs folder. The fourth picture shows
the mrimg I created at the top.
https://postimg.cc/5Q8Z8S8L
https://postimg.cc/4HR04Hjd
https://postimg.cc/zb7dN2wd
https://postimg.cc/7G5CPf0p
Tomorrow I'll erase the hd and then install
Win10. I'll let you know how it goes.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
I’m on the 780; I started the chkdsk C: /r
https://postimg.cc/nXJnRdqm
https://postimg.cc/K1vH8B2V
It’s weird its X: not C: after I did the cd/
At present; Stage is at 56% and Total is 8%
Also SeaMonkey prompted me for my
Username and password.
Robert
I started the procedure to erase the hd but it doesn’t
appear to be doing anything? It’s been 30 minutes
now and I don’t see any files or folders being erased.
Is it supposed to run like this?
https://postimg.cc/gnHXrMNf
In passing, Solani again prompted me for my User
name and password even after I clicked the box to
remember it. This is getting tiring. So I used Paganini
instead.
Robert
I completed erasing the hd and exited from the command prompt.
I disconnected the Ethernet connection and removed the Macrium
Rescue CD and put in the 22H2 DVD and left the tray open as instructed.
then restarted the 8500.
The tray closed automatically and started Win 10 installation, It restarted (11) times and I clicked that I don’t have a Product Key number because you said not to enter the product key but will it
ask for it later?
Each time it had me enter the same information as before and it seemed like was in a loop. It installs Windows then restarts then starts the same thing all over.
It finally moved forward and I was able to install Win 10 but it didn’t ask for any email or phone number or show any anything in the lower left corner. Once I selected Win10 Pro it just went from one screen to another.
I switched hd's back to Win 7 Pro for the time being.
I'll start adding things and change the settings so FF is my browser, turn off notifications and install SeaMonkey, Word/Excel and Dell Imaging. Then my A/V suite,bookmarks and finally My Documents.
Also next time I do mrimgs, delete the Rogue User mrimg.
Robert
Here's pics of the install:
https://postimg.cc/3dX0yY3r
https://postimg.cc/5H0XkzLj
https://postimg.cc/hfvPnnh3
https://postimg.cc/3kD8yZXX
https://postimg.cc/D4ZF7Qfb
https://postimg.cc/68RK6pKz
https://postimg.cc/5YPdKH59
https://postimg.cc/qN8fVDc5
https://postimg.cc/9w4SxLF1
https://postimg.cc/FfDBNMYD
this was taken after a restart to compare the changes
in the primary partition.
https://postimg.cc/jWF48tw0
https://postimg.cc/mty3vQzS
https://postimg.cc/5HT8BgTf
https://postimg.cc/Thrnbr9X
https://postimg.cc/Wd4ZxxP2
https://postimg.cc/9DN921Wy
https://postimg.cc/dkGZ8YG9
https://postimg.cc/fSK3rf2t
https://postimg.cc/yWzv26ps
https://postimg.cc/Czc7ZGhx
https://postimg.cc/zHJwvB4h
Robert
This is a test on the 8500 Win 10 User Account.
I’ve downloaded all my A/V suite, and installed
Word, Excel, Dell Imaging. I still have to import
my bookmarks and copy/paste My Documents.
I looked and I don’t seem to have a link to download
and install Macrium. Could you please provide one?
It looks like were pretty much done unless you want
to try to fix the bad hd or we can clone other hd’s?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Many Thanks,
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version). The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version). The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version). The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I believe I bought the hd from Newegg and was a Win7 hd
in the computer until we upgraded to Win 10 and I put them
away. So it was a new hd that went bad but it seems OK now
though. I haven't encountered any problems with it.
I'll check the hd with HD-tune and show you the results.
Thanks for the Macrium download link, I appreciate it
I actually used the search box to get allot of things done. I'd
rather keep it there. It helps me navigate Win10. I try and not
open up news and interests and all the tile crap.
I don't understand how you can run HD-Tune with Macrium?
I have almost everything done on the 8500 Win10, after
I download Macrium I'll nearly be done.
However, I hit a snag. for some weird reason I can't install my
Dell Image Expert 2000 on Win10 even though I have the
original CD it keeps giving me an error and won't complete.
I do have good copies of it on Win 7 so I copy/ pasted the folder
to a Patriot and then to the Win10 User Account Programs(x86)
in hopes you can figure a way to get it to run from there?
https://postimg.cc/kBfrKzmQ
https://postimg.cc/XBLPKGTj
Once complete I'll create a mrimg,...
Then we can do anything you would like me to do.
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
Paul
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
I went into Properties and changed the settings
https://postimg.cc/7CstpQpJ
but it failed again. Then I tried to repair it and uninstalled it
and then tried again and seemed like it was working but it failed
again.
https://postimg.cc/8jQXQvn4
https://postimg.cc/0Kpf2tHf
https://postimg.cc/wt7QsxG3
https://postimg.cc/ctZ3TdXR
https://postimg.cc/Dmdph0kK
https://postimg.cc/mPq8jFM7
https://postimg.cc/R61dvsYT
https://postimg.cc/BPqgb59f
https://postimg.cc/KR8fy5Dn
https://postimg.cc/yJcXTp7z
The Dell Image Expert 2000 icon looks different in Programs
Win 7 and Win 10. They both are the same size though?
https://postimg.cc/HjsXJk8m - Win 7
https://postimg.cc/w1JmKtZX - Win 10
I found this link with people having the same problem but dated 2008.
https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/windows-general/dell-image-expert/647e684cf4ccf8a8def59c91
I was thinking maybe I can download on of these?
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r55365
https://dell-picture-studio-dell-image-expert.updatestar.com/en
What do you think?
Robert
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!the 8500 Win 10.
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account on
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>>>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>>>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account on
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>>>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>>>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account on
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so, >>>>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>>>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account on
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Paul wrote:on the 8500 Win 10.
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running. >>>>>> So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped >>>>>> the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:on the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off >>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these >>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details >>>>>>>>> like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10). >>>>>>>
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running. >>>>>>> So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
"44C"
Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
That's a bit warm.
The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
Your CHKDSK was clean.
Paul
Paul wrote:on the 8500 Win 10.
On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the >>>>>>>>>> menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off >>>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these >>>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details >>>>>>>>>> like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif >>>>>>>>>>
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive. >>>>>>>> Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running. >>>>>>>> So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it. >>>>>> Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,....... >>>>>
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
"44C"
Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
That's a bit warm.
The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
Your CHKDSK was clean.
Paul
The drive is inside the computer. I cleaned it
the first time I opened it but maybe I need to
clean it again. The problem is all the perforated
holes and they are hard to get clean even with
the mini vac. They should make an attachment
for those.
That said, the computer is very quiet and runs
smooth and has lasted all these years with your
good help.
I switched hd's again and deleted the rogue user
mrimg before starting. Then completed a mrimg
on the 8500 Win 10.
https://postimg.cc/TyrRsX9g
Everything is looking good. and looks like we've
got everything done.
Unless you want me to do anything I guess were
finished.
In passing, do you think we'll still be able to message
after Google pulls the plug? I think I'm going to send
you a test message then just to check and make sure,
Many, many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
On 2/15/2024 9:23 PM, RobnCA wrote:Account on the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the >>>>>>>>>>> menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the >>>>>>>>>>> search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off >>>>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these >>>>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details >>>>>>>>>>> like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune, >>>>>>>>>>> the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a >>>>>>>>>> HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive. >>>>>>>>> Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD >>>>>>>>> and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do. >>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it. >>>>>>> Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,....... >>>>>>
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like >>>>>> maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you >>>>>> want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
"44C"
Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
That's a bit warm.
The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
Your CHKDSK was clean.
Paul
The drive is inside the computer. I cleaned it
the first time I opened it but maybe I need to
clean it again. The problem is all the perforated
holes and they are hard to get clean even with
the mini vac. They should make an attachment
for those.
That said, the computer is very quiet and runs
smooth and has lasted all these years with your
good help.
I switched hd's again and deleted the rogue user
mrimg before starting. Then completed a mrimg
on the 8500 Win 10.
https://postimg.cc/TyrRsX9g
Everything is looking good. and looks like we've
got everything done.
Unless you want me to do anything I guess were
finished.
In passing, do you think we'll still be able to message
after Google pulls the plug? I think I'm going to send
you a test message then just to check and make sure,
Many, many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
You're welcome.
Enjoy your new OS :-)
Paul
On 2/15/2024 9:23 PM, RobnCA wrote:Account on the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the >>>>>>>>>>> menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the >>>>>>>>>>> search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off >>>>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these >>>>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details >>>>>>>>>>> like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune, >>>>>>>>>>> the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a >>>>>>>>>> HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive. >>>>>>>>> Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD >>>>>>>>> and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do. >>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it. >>>>>>> Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,....... >>>>>>
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like >>>>>> maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you >>>>>> want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
"44C"
Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
That's a bit warm.
The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
Your CHKDSK was clean.
Paul
The drive is inside the computer. I cleaned it
the first time I opened it but maybe I need to
clean it again. The problem is all the perforated
holes and they are hard to get clean even with
the mini vac. They should make an attachment
for those.
That said, the computer is very quiet and runs
smooth and has lasted all these years with your
good help.
I switched hd's again and deleted the rogue user
mrimg before starting. Then completed a mrimg
on the 8500 Win 10.
https://postimg.cc/TyrRsX9g
Everything is looking good. and looks like we've
got everything done.
Unless you want me to do anything I guess were
finished.
In passing, do you think we'll still be able to message
after Google pulls the plug? I think I'm going to send
you a test message then just to check and make sure,
Many, many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
You're welcome.
Enjoy your new OS :-)
Paul
On 2/15/2024 9:23 PM, RobnCA wrote:Account on the 8500 Win 10.
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:I understand what you mean about using Macrium
Paul wrote:
On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success !
https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Robert
Good, that ought to help a bit.
Paul
Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
Robert
If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the >>>>>>>>>>> menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the >>>>>>>>>>> search box on the taskbar will be gone.
News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off >>>>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these >>>>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details >>>>>>>>>>> like that.
*******
When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune, >>>>>>>>>>> the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
The other OSes don't work as well.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
Paul
I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a >>>>>>>>>> HD-Tune link that's free?
https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
then checked disk management
https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
then downloaded macrium
https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
here's the desktop
https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
Robert
The free version is 2.55.
https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive. >>>>>>>>> Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
*******
To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86). >>>>>>>>> You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use >>>>>>>>> it in Macrium.
The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button, >>>>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after >>>>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or >>>>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
the picture over to the other machine.
It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD >>>>>>>>> and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do. >>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows 10.
If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
to tricks to do checks like this.
and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
it had no issues.
My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
should be very straightforward and I've done this before
and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
Robert
The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it. >>>>>>> Click the "Compatibility" tab.
You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
Tick the box to turn on the mode.
In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
apply a compatibility layer, making things
"look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
That's why an application still might not work right.
Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
*******
After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
"main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
that later, once the install problem is overcome.
Paul
Success @!
You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User
https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,....... >>>>>>
If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like >>>>>> maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you >>>>>> want me to do something else?
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
partition with the problem is C:
If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
text as it runs.
If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
(like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
Paul
Here's the HD-Tune scan:
https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
the difference?
Robert
"44C"
Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
That's a bit warm.
The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
Your CHKDSK was clean.
Paul
The drive is inside the computer. I cleaned it
the first time I opened it but maybe I need to
clean it again. The problem is all the perforated
holes and they are hard to get clean even with
the mini vac. They should make an attachment
for those.
That said, the computer is very quiet and runs
smooth and has lasted all these years with your
good help.
I switched hd's again and deleted the rogue user
mrimg before starting. Then completed a mrimg
on the 8500 Win 10.
https://postimg.cc/TyrRsX9g
Everything is looking good. and looks like we've
got everything done.
Unless you want me to do anything I guess were
finished.
In passing, do you think we'll still be able to message
after Google pulls the plug? I think I'm going to send
you a test message then just to check and make sure,
Many, many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
You're welcome.
Enjoy your new OS :-)
Paul
I don't know if you can see this post or not because Google isn't showing them.
It's as I feared,.... it's still 635 and it should be
637 and 638 after I post this.
Please let me know if you can see this.
Robert
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
I'm just testing to see if we can still connect via SeaMonkey
after Google has pulled the plug. Please respond if you can
see this post.
You won't believe what happened,.. right after we had just
finished all our work on the computers,... my phone went out
and then the Internet, just as I was about to use it. Thankfully,
I got the Internet connection back in an hour, whew! It sure
gave me a scare after all our hard work. You can imagine how
I felt.
The phone is still out though with no dial tone. I had already
placed a online ticket for it before I lost the Internet and they
said it would be about a week before they could get someone
out here. This was the second time I've had phone problems.
The last time, whenever I tried to call out I got a busy signal.
I finally got my phone connection back today a week later,..
no one came out to check anything or called to say it was OK.
Same as before. It was on their end.
The only problem I've noticed on the computers is there's a lag
sometimes when opening pages and I have to reload it. I try to
keep only what I'm working on open.
I'll continue to update/run the scans and of course I'll continue
with the monthly mrimgs.
If I have any problems I'll let you know.
In passing, you mentioned there were allot of version's of chkdsk,
I thought chkdsk was a DOS command?
Thanks again for all your good help,
Robert
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
On 2/23/2024 4:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know if you can see this post or not because Google isn't showing them.
It's as I feared,.... it's still 635 and it should be
637 and 638 after I post this.
Please let me know if you can see this.
Robert
The USENET side of things should be working.
Paul
On 2/23/2024 4:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just testing to see if we can still connect via SeaMonkey
after Google has pulled the plug. Please respond if you can
see this post.
You won't believe what happened,.. right after we had just
finished all our work on the computers,... my phone went out
and then the Internet, just as I was about to use it. Thankfully,
I got the Internet connection back in an hour, whew! It sure
gave me a scare after all our hard work. You can imagine how
I felt.
The phone is still out though with no dial tone. I had already
placed a online ticket for it before I lost the Internet and they
said it would be about a week before they could get someone
out here. This was the second time I've had phone problems.
The last time, whenever I tried to call out I got a busy signal.
I finally got my phone connection back today a week later,..
no one came out to check anything or called to say it was OK.
Same as before. It was on their end.
The only problem I've noticed on the computers is there's a lag
sometimes when opening pages and I have to reload it. I try to
keep only what I'm working on open.
I'll continue to update/run the scans and of course I'll continue
with the monthly mrimgs.
If I have any problems I'll let you know.
In passing, you mentioned there were allot of version's of chkdsk,
I thought chkdsk was a DOS command?
Thanks again for all your good help,
Robert
Yes, USENET still works.
Sometimes, the slowness in web page rendering, can be caused by the
rate that DNS queries are being answered by the ISP. Since nobody
contacted you, it's pretty hard to get an idea what they fixed.
You would use Task Manager, to see if the CPU is all used up
by the browser.
There are a number of things that need to be "cleaned" on browsers.
I locate the "+++" DOM storage and clear the commercial ones.
I remove cookies.sqlite and webappsstore.sqlite (I can do that
because my browsers have no passwords stored in them). If the "webappsstore.sqlite" is over 10MB in size, that tends to slow down
a session and can make the interaction "laggy" when using the browser.
CHKDSK is a command line thing. Some of the commands have options,
that I haven't determined whether they do something useful or not.
Usually selecting the "fix" option is enough by itself. Except
in cases where, after a "fix", a re-scan indicates there is still
trouble present. That's when the additional options may be
necessary.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
Robert
On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
Robert
As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
you can connect.
Paul
On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
Robert
As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
you can connect.
Paul
On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
Robert
As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
you can connect.
Paul
On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
It looks like we've lost our connection...
Robert
Not really.
Paul
I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
Robert
As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
you can connect.
Paul
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?
I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.
Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55
Robert
On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?
I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.
Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55
Robert
USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
(AOMEI or Easeus).
Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
Paul
On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?
I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.
Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55
Robert
USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
(AOMEI or Easeus).
Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
Paul
On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?
I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.
Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55
Robert
USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
(AOMEI or Easeus).
Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
Paul
On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780 mrimg:
https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.
https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
Robert
The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.
Paul
Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?
I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.
Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55
Robert
USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
(AOMEI or Easeus).
Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
Paul
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
I don't know if you've noticed but recently
YouTube has changed its layout where the
comments are on the right where videos use
to be and the videos are below where the
comments use to be.
I don't have a YouTube Account but is there
some way of getting my old YouTube layout
back?
I wish they would leave things alone.
Thanks,
Robert
On 4/11/2024 4:59 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
I don't know if you've noticed but recently
YouTube has changed its layout where the
comments are on the right where videos use
to be and the videos are below where the
comments use to be.
I don't have a YouTube Account but is there
some way of getting my old YouTube layout
back?
I wish they would leave things alone.
Thanks,
Robert
The layout I see, is video at the top left,
alternative videos on the right sidebar, and
comments are on the left below the feature video.
As seen on Firefox.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/kMpLt9BB/fryer.gif
That's shot on Linux, because I can make the
screen a bit larger, and then the webpage may
adjust the layout a bit. The print to PDF is
limited to Tabloid sized pages. The screen dump
I can do there, can be larger. I can make it so
large, it can't be posted on postimage (10000x10000 limit).
The layout could be related to the CSS the
web page uses (a downloaded piece of info), or
it can be based on HTML or Javascript.
Tampermonkey, Greasemonkey, Greasy Fork, these
are sites or tools that allow providing programmatic
edits to web pages. You can change the appearance
of web pages. I believe I got a small change to work
once, but it took me a while. Don't look at this
expecting to get something to work, basically look
at the titles and see how ambitious people are.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/by-site/youtube.com?page=7
There is no reason for any of those to be maintained,
and since the Youtube web pages downloaded can be altered
on a daily basis, it's like expecting Youtube Downloader
to work all the time.
Paul
On 4/11/2024 4:59 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
I don't know if you've noticed but recently
YouTube has changed its layout where the
comments are on the right where videos use
to be and the videos are below where the
comments use to be.
I don't have a YouTube Account but is there
some way of getting my old YouTube layout
back?
I wish they would leave things alone.
Thanks,
Robert
The layout I see, is video at the top left,
alternative videos on the right sidebar, and
comments are on the left below the feature video.
As seen on Firefox.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/kMpLt9BB/fryer.gif
That's shot on Linux, because I can make the
screen a bit larger, and then the webpage may
adjust the layout a bit. The print to PDF is
limited to Tabloid sized pages. The screen dump
I can do there, can be larger. I can make it so
large, it can't be posted on postimage (10000x10000 limit).
The layout could be related to the CSS the
web page uses (a downloaded piece of info), or
it can be based on HTML or Javascript.
Tampermonkey, Greasemonkey, Greasy Fork, these
are sites or tools that allow providing programmatic
edits to web pages. You can change the appearance
of web pages. I believe I got a small change to work
once, but it took me a while. Don't look at this
expecting to get something to work, basically look
at the titles and see how ambitious people are.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/by-site/youtube.com?page=7
There is no reason for any of those to be maintained,
and since the Youtube web pages downloaded can be altered
on a daily basis, it's like expecting Youtube Downloader
to work all the time.
Paul
On 4/11/2024 4:59 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul, are you there?
I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.
So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.
Robert
Yes, I check the server occasionally.
Paul
I don't know if you've noticed but recently
YouTube has changed its layout where the
comments are on the right where videos use
to be and the videos are below where the
comments use to be.
I don't have a YouTube Account but is there
some way of getting my old YouTube layout
back?
I wish they would leave things alone.
Thanks,
Robert
The layout I see, is video at the top left,
alternative videos on the right sidebar, and
comments are on the left below the feature video.
As seen on Firefox.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/kMpLt9BB/fryer.gif
That's shot on Linux, because I can make the
screen a bit larger, and then the webpage may
adjust the layout a bit. The print to PDF is
limited to Tabloid sized pages. The screen dump
I can do there, can be larger. I can make it so
large, it can't be posted on postimage (10000x10000 limit).
The layout could be related to the CSS the
web page uses (a downloaded piece of info), or
it can be based on HTML or Javascript.
Tampermonkey, Greasemonkey, Greasy Fork, these
are sites or tools that allow providing programmatic
edits to web pages. You can change the appearance
of web pages. I believe I got a small change to work
once, but it took me a while. Don't look at this
expecting to get something to work, basically look
at the titles and see how ambitious people are.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/by-site/youtube.com?page=7
There is no reason for any of those to be maintained,
and since the Youtube web pages downloaded can be altered
on a daily basis, it's like expecting Youtube Downloader
to work all the time.
Paul
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
I have a question regarding my SD cards.
I move the right protect tab up so that
I can cut/ paste files to the computer
but it doesn't take and only shows copy.
I have to move the tab down then back up
several times before I get it to work after
inserting it into the computer and the
cut option appears. This was happening with
one card so I switched cards but with the
same result.
I don't move it back down afterwards yet
each time I have to go through this and
these are fairly new cards.
I have more SD cards but I'm just wondering
why won't the tab when moved up remove
the write protect and stay that way?
I was thinking maybe when I slide it in the
slot it's pushing the tab downward?
Thanks,
Robert
_
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
I have a question regarding my SD cards.
I move the right protect tab up so that
I can cut/ paste files to the computer
but it doesn't take and only shows copy.
I have to move the tab down then back up
several times before I get it to work after
inserting it into the computer and the
cut option appears. This was happening with
one card so I switched cards but with the
same result.
I don't move it back down afterwards yet
each time I have to go through this and
these are fairly new cards.
I have more SD cards but I'm just wondering
why won't the tab when moved up remove
the write protect and stay that way?
I was thinking maybe when I slide it in the
slot it's pushing the tab downward?
Thanks,
Robert
_
I used the Startech adaptor and was able to
cut/paste the files. Maybe I'll use that from
now on but still doesn't explain why I couldn't
do it in the first place with the 8500 SD port.
Robert
-
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
I have a question regarding my SD cards.
I move the right protect tab up so that
I can cut/ paste files to the computer
but it doesn't take and only shows copy.
I have to move the tab down then back up
several times before I get it to work after
inserting it into the computer and the
cut option appears. This was happening with
one card so I switched cards but with the
same result.
I don't move it back down afterwards yet
each time I have to go through this and
these are fairly new cards.
I have more SD cards but I'm just wondering
why won't the tab when moved up remove
the write protect and stay that way?
I was thinking maybe when I slide it in the
slot it's pushing the tab downward?
Thanks,
Robert
I used the Startech adaptor and was able to
cut/paste the files. Maybe I'll use that from
now on but still doesn't explain why I couldn't
do it in the first place with the 8500 SD port.
Robert
I see that YouTube has switched it's layout again
in favor of the comments on the right side margin
https://postimg.cc/RqRDBscy
I don't think this is a test, so is there some way to
change it back so the comments are below?
Thanks,
Robert
This concerns the 8500,.... I think I had too many screens open
and the computer hung up,.. then it started to generate a low hum.
I ended up having to power it off and then waited 30 seconds before
powering it back on and came up with the usual screen that it did not
power off correctly and I selected normal start- up but then it gave me
a screen that said one of my disk's wasn't in sync and it wanted to do a chkdsk so I let it. I have pics if you want to see but the computer came
back up and all seems OK.
Robert
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note
is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to
using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
_
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
_
I also noticed that Malwarebytes recently changed
their screen/format so that now it updates during
the scan.
Also, I meant the cut/paste option regarding the
SD port.
Robert
On 7/3/2024 1:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
_
I also noticed that Malwarebytes recently changed
their screen/format so that now it updates during
the scan.
Also, I meant the cut/paste option regarding the
SD port.
Robert
There appears to be more than one way for an Secure Digital card
to be write protected.
https://recoverit.wondershare.com/partition-tips/remove-write-protection-on-sd-cards.html
Now, I don't believe all of those.
The one involving the Registry, is "too generic" to be believable.
The Registry setting would have to be specific for one device to be effective.
You cannot run Windows for very long, if all storage devices go
read-only. Windows must be able to write to C: to survive.
It will not tolerate being unable to write anywhere.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 7/3/2024 1:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
I also noticed that Malwarebytes recently changed
their screen/format so that now it updates during
the scan.
Also, I meant the cut/paste option regarding the
SD port.
Robert
There appears to be more than one way for an Secure Digital card
to be write protected.
https://recoverit.wondershare.com/partition-tips/remove-write-protection-on-sd-cards.html
Now, I don't believe all of those.
The one involving the Registry, is "too generic" to be believable.
The Registry setting would have to be specific for one device to be effective.
You cannot run Windows for very long, if all storage devices go
read-only. Windows must be able to write to C: to survive.
It will not tolerate being unable to write anywhere.
Paul
Agreed, but allot to read through. It seems its not uncommon for
SD's to become corrupted? I also noticed that when I use the SD
card only the computer sometimes doesn't see it but with the adaptor
it always does. Maybe because it's using a USB port instead?
Here's my SD card options; the first is with the SD card only,
you can see if only offers the copy option
https://postimg.cc/SXKBzdRY
the second picture is using the SD card with adapter and shows cut
and copy options. The SD port use to have both options but for some
reason the cut option no longer appears.
https://postimg.cc/5jG8c2Lh
Robert
On 7/7/2024 7:38 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/3/2024 1:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
I also noticed that Malwarebytes recently changed
their screen/format so that now it updates during
the scan.
Also, I meant the cut/paste option regarding the
SD port.
Robert
There appears to be more than one way for an Secure Digital card
to be write protected.
https://recoverit.wondershare.com/partition-tips/remove-write-protection-on-sd-cards.html
Now, I don't believe all of those.
The one involving the Registry, is "too generic" to be believable.
The Registry setting would have to be specific for one device to be effective.
You cannot run Windows for very long, if all storage devices go
read-only. Windows must be able to write to C: to survive.
It will not tolerate being unable to write anywhere.
Paul
Agreed, but allot to read through. It seems its not uncommon for
SD's to become corrupted? I also noticed that when I use the SD
card only the computer sometimes doesn't see it but with the adaptor
it always does. Maybe because it's using a USB port instead?
Here's my SD card options; the first is with the SD card only,
you can see if only offers the copy option
https://postimg.cc/SXKBzdRY
the second picture is using the SD card with adapter and shows cut
and copy options. The SD port use to have both options but for some
reason the cut option no longer appears.
https://postimg.cc/5jG8c2Lh
Robert
And they both say removable disk.
It could be some sort of registry issue, or, it could
be a pin not making contact somewhere. But for it to be
registry, there would need to be a Read-only bit for
a specific device instance in ENUM or something.
Paul
On 7/7/2024 7:38 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/3/2024 1:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 6/15/2024 7:53 PM, Paul wrote:
On 6/11/2024 7:21 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/4/2024 6:43 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 5/1/2024 8:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, I'm sure you're already aware but
YouTube has returned to normal. I guess they
got too many complaints with the comments on
the side.
Robert
Maybe it was just one of those tests of theirs.
Paul
Yes, they said they were testing.
This is unrelated to computers, its my car,..
the right turn signal started blinking fast
which I understand means I need to change
the bulb. Well I changed the bulb but it still
blinks fast,.. what do you think?
Robert
The remaining bulb blinks fast, it's the
other bulb which is no longer blinking.
The fast blinking bulb is the good one.
The fast blinking bulb brings you the news
that the other bulb in the circuit (at
the other end of the car) has stopped
functioning.
You can do a "walk-around" test on the car,
put the stalk in left-turn, verify both ends
of the car, put the stalk in right-turn,
verify both ends of the car. It should be
apparent at that point (as long as only one
bulb has burned out), that something isn't
right in one corner of the car. And that's where
your spare bulb will be going.
Paul
Please respond if you're OK.
Robert
I'm fine. I'll check back later (have errand to run)
and catch up.
Paul
I was sick for a bit, but I don't know what it was. It
could have been my pre-existing medical condition. The
medical system here isn't in very good shape, and the
doctors can be distracted. I have to pick doctors
pretty carefully now, to avoid "incidents".
Fixing the medical system here, will not be easy.
Paul
I ran the mrimgs and HD-Tune on both computers,. the only thing of note is the SD port no longer shows the cut/copy option so I switched to using the adapter. Also YouTube switched their comments back again to underneath the videos.
The computers seem fine and just humming along.....
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/1gG3m41g
780 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/yWY8KVQd
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/sMSVm1Xn
8500 HD-Tune
https://postimg.cc/kRBCbgzv
Robert
I also noticed that Malwarebytes recently changed
their screen/format so that now it updates during
the scan.
Also, I meant the cut/paste option regarding the
SD port.
Robert
There appears to be more than one way for an Secure Digital card
to be write protected.
https://recoverit.wondershare.com/partition-tips/remove-write-protection-on-sd-cards.html
Now, I don't believe all of those.
The one involving the Registry, is "too generic" to be believable.
The Registry setting would have to be specific for one device to be effective.
You cannot run Windows for very long, if all storage devices go
read-only. Windows must be able to write to C: to survive.
It will not tolerate being unable to write anywhere.
Paul
Agreed, but allot to read through. It seems its not uncommon for
SD's to become corrupted? I also noticed that when I use the SD
card only the computer sometimes doesn't see it but with the adaptor
it always does. Maybe because it's using a USB port instead?
Here's my SD card options; the first is with the SD card only,
you can see if only offers the copy option
https://postimg.cc/SXKBzdRY
the second picture is using the SD card with adapter and shows cut
and copy options. The SD port use to have both options but for some
reason the cut option no longer appears.
https://postimg.cc/5jG8c2Lh
Robert
And they both say removable disk.
It could be some sort of registry issue, or, it could
be a pin not making contact somewhere. But for it to be
registry, there would need to be a Read-only bit for
a specific device instance in ENUM or something.
Paul
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
On 7/15/2024 5:39 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
I'm suspicious by nature.
Such an offering looks like "advertising" :-)
Paul
On 7/15/2024 5:39 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
I'm suspicious by nature.
Such an offering looks like "advertising" :-)
Paul
On 7/15/2024 5:39 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
I'm suspicious by nature.
Such an offering looks like "advertising" :-)
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 7/15/2024 5:39 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
I'm suspicious by nature.
Such an offering looks like "advertising" :-)
Paul
I wanted to tell you about something that happened
today because I thought you might be interested.
I had opened Microsoft Word and started typing but
no letters appeared. This had happened once before
so I restarted the computer but the same thing happened.
So I unplugged the keyboard and put it in a new port
and it worked. So that one port went bad all on its own ?
Robert
On Sat, 7/20/2024 2:06 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/15/2024 5:39 AM, RobnCA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:27 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I was checking out the new Malwarebytes and found this
under other devices. Should I turn any of these on?
https://postimg.cc/SjP3rpZj
Thanks,
Robert
Aren't those subscription features ?
Do you have a paid version, or are you just
using on-demand scanning ?
Perhaps ticking one of those boxes, will start a
"how about paying for a subscription" window ???
I'm using the free version.
So forget about them?
Robert
I'm suspicious by nature.
Such an offering looks like "advertising" :-)
Paul
I wanted to tell you about something that happened
today because I thought you might be interested.
I had opened Microsoft Word and started typing but
no letters appeared. This had happened once before
so I restarted the computer but the same thing happened.
So I unplugged the keyboard and put it in a new port
and it worked. So that one port went bad all on its own ?
Robert
This could be a problem with the operating system.
Normally, USB items have serial numbers, and when you
move the USB keyboard from one port to another, it uses
the same data collection in the Registry to control it.
When items don't have serial numbers, every port has
a separate enumeration when the device is plugged in.
This allows the device to "work" on another port.
It could be there is some problem with the fuse on the port.
Some hardware faults, really need the power to be turned off.
This happens when a port goes into latchup.
USB doesn't have a discrete RESET signal. Neither does
SATA for that matter, and SATA has its share of problems.
When a SATA hard drive goes crazy, it may stop responding.
It can take power removal to guarantee it recovers. Doing
a reboot is not enough (like if the crazy drive was your backup drive).
And USB ports do outright die on occasion. Some NEC USB2 cards
had that problem, and a port or two could be blown.
Intel USB ports, some of them have been rated for 5kV of ESD.
Which is pretty good. A chip where nobody particularly cared,
the rating is 1kV.
Continue with your testing and see whether the new port
behaves the same (keyboard dozes off on you). It might even
be the keyboard that has an electronics problem.
Paul
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
On Thu, 8/1/2024 4:08 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
USB is "power-safe". You can plug and unplug with
power applied.
PS/2 is different in this regard.
PS/2 isn't used as much now (on new computers).
For USB, you want storage operations to be complete,
which is why "Safely Remove" exists. A keyboard is
not a storage device, which is why it should
not need "Safely Remove".
*******
Firefox has multiple processes. When you open extra
tabs in a window, the tabs can be sharing one Firefox process.
If you open a new window, that may start yet-more Firefox processes.
Try opening a new window in Firefox, then open a URL in it.
Maybe via process isolation, the new process will not be
influenced by activities in other Firefox windows.
But with Windows OS, even if you have a ton of CPU cores,
there is no scaling effect. It can still be slow. It
is because the machine is not making good usage of
what you've given it. And it has been like this for a
while, so I don't expect it will ever change.
Maybe Firefox uses pthreads. Is pthreads good ? Dunno.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/1/2024 4:08 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
USB is "power-safe". You can plug and unplug with
power applied.
PS/2 is different in this regard.
PS/2 isn't used as much now (on new computers).
For USB, you want storage operations to be complete,
which is why "Safely Remove" exists. A keyboard is
not a storage device, which is why it should
not need "Safely Remove".
*******
Firefox has multiple processes. When you open extra
tabs in a window, the tabs can be sharing one Firefox process.
If you open a new window, that may start yet-more Firefox processes.
Try opening a new window in Firefox, then open a URL in it.
Maybe via process isolation, the new process will not be
influenced by activities in other Firefox windows.
But with Windows OS, even if you have a ton of CPU cores,
there is no scaling effect. It can still be slow. It
is because the machine is not making good usage of
what you've given it. And it has been like this for a
while, so I don't expect it will ever change.
Maybe Firefox uses pthreads. Is pthreads good ? Dunno.
Paul
I try to open only what I'm using vs multiple
applications. I use to leave Word, Paintbrush
and Dell Imaging all open but not anymore.
I've been going through allot lately; as an example,
I've spent an entire week trying to create a new VA
Account with ID.me as per the VA recommendation
because the old login is going to be discontinued
but they still can't verify me because they require
a cell phone with text and photo capability which I
don't have.
btw the VA is one of the worst where I constantly loose
my connection and have to click retry/resend 2 or 3 times
just to login. However, whenever I try to login it starts
the process all over and is asking for information I've
already given.
So now I can't login to my account to view appointments,
order medication and I know I have a message waiting
because Yahoo notified me.
Robert
On Sat, 8/3/2024 1:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/1/2024 4:08 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
USB is "power-safe". You can plug and unplug with
power applied.
PS/2 is different in this regard.
PS/2 isn't used as much now (on new computers).
For USB, you want storage operations to be complete,
which is why "Safely Remove" exists. A keyboard is
not a storage device, which is why it should
not need "Safely Remove".
*******
Firefox has multiple processes. When you open extra
tabs in a window, the tabs can be sharing one Firefox process.
If you open a new window, that may start yet-more Firefox processes.
Try opening a new window in Firefox, then open a URL in it.
Maybe via process isolation, the new process will not be
influenced by activities in other Firefox windows.
But with Windows OS, even if you have a ton of CPU cores,
there is no scaling effect. It can still be slow. It
is because the machine is not making good usage of
what you've given it. And it has been like this for a
while, so I don't expect it will ever change.
Maybe Firefox uses pthreads. Is pthreads good ? Dunno.
Paul
I try to open only what I'm using vs multiple
applications. I use to leave Word, Paintbrush
and Dell Imaging all open but not anymore.
I've been going through allot lately; as an example,
I've spent an entire week trying to create a new VA
Account with ID.me as per the VA recommendation
because the old login is going to be discontinued
but they still can't verify me because they require
a cell phone with text and photo capability which I
don't have.
btw the VA is one of the worst where I constantly loose
my connection and have to click retry/resend 2 or 3 times
just to login. However, whenever I try to login it starts
the process all over and is asking for information I've
already given.
So now I can't login to my account to view appointments,
order medication and I know I have a message waiting
because Yahoo notified me.
Robert
There is another kind of MFA.
This is an advertisement for it, from the people who make the
plugin FIDO2 keys. With the VA, I don't know how easy it will be,
to get the details necessary to configure that.
https://fidoalliance.org/u-s-general-services-administrations-rollout-of-fido2-on-login-gov/
"They are prompted to either insert a hardware security key into their computer
and touch it or, if their device has a supported built-in authenticator, be prompted
to use it by looking into the camera or touching a biometric sensor (for two examples)."
What OS you use, may determine how difficult it is to set up.
Windows 10 has Windows Hello, which may provide the second
feature the thing needs.
It's up to the VA to decide what hardware they want you to use.
While I located one FIDO2 key with a fingerprint reader built
in (you touch the fingerprint area, to cause the device to
send authentication to the VA), that one is out of stock.
Maybe it is actually an older device. I can't find any more info.
With FIDO2 keys:
1) The ones with the cheesy plastic connector, you could fit a
short extension cable to it. The connector on the short extension
is intended to take the wear and tear.
2) You use two FIDO2 keys, and register both of them. You lock up
the second one. The second one, is for when the first one wears out.
The various authenticator methods are not all that good, so it's up
to the VA to decide what the authenticator shall be (Windows Hello facial recognition camera, or a fingerprint button). While you can also use
a PIN (doesn't have to be digits, can be text), that's not really
all that good either.
You can lock up both your FIDO2 devices, just not in the same safe.
Paul
On Sat, 8/3/2024 1:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/1/2024 4:08 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
USB is "power-safe". You can plug and unplug with
power applied.
PS/2 is different in this regard.
PS/2 isn't used as much now (on new computers).
For USB, you want storage operations to be complete,
which is why "Safely Remove" exists. A keyboard is
not a storage device, which is why it should
not need "Safely Remove".
*******
Firefox has multiple processes. When you open extra
tabs in a window, the tabs can be sharing one Firefox process.
If you open a new window, that may start yet-more Firefox processes.
Try opening a new window in Firefox, then open a URL in it.
Maybe via process isolation, the new process will not be
influenced by activities in other Firefox windows.
But with Windows OS, even if you have a ton of CPU cores,
there is no scaling effect. It can still be slow. It
is because the machine is not making good usage of
what you've given it. And it has been like this for a
while, so I don't expect it will ever change.
Maybe Firefox uses pthreads. Is pthreads good ? Dunno.
Paul
I try to open only what I'm using vs multiple
applications. I use to leave Word, Paintbrush
and Dell Imaging all open but not anymore.
I've been going through allot lately; as an example,
I've spent an entire week trying to create a new VA
Account with ID.me as per the VA recommendation
because the old login is going to be discontinued
but they still can't verify me because they require
a cell phone with text and photo capability which I
don't have.
btw the VA is one of the worst where I constantly loose
my connection and have to click retry/resend 2 or 3 times
just to login. However, whenever I try to login it starts
the process all over and is asking for information I've
already given.
So now I can't login to my account to view appointments,
order medication and I know I have a message waiting
because Yahoo notified me.
Robert
There is another kind of MFA.
This is an advertisement for it, from the people who make the
plugin FIDO2 keys. With the VA, I don't know how easy it will be,
to get the details necessary to configure that.
https://fidoalliance.org/u-s-general-services-administrations-rollout-of-fido2-on-login-gov/
"They are prompted to either insert a hardware security key into their computer
and touch it or, if their device has a supported built-in authenticator, be prompted
to use it by looking into the camera or touching a biometric sensor (for two examples)."
What OS you use, may determine how difficult it is to set up.
Windows 10 has Windows Hello, which may provide the second
feature the thing needs.
It's up to the VA to decide what hardware they want you to use.
While I located one FIDO2 key with a fingerprint reader built
in (you touch the fingerprint area, to cause the device to
send authentication to the VA), that one is out of stock.
Maybe it is actually an older device. I can't find any more info.
With FIDO2 keys:
1) The ones with the cheesy plastic connector, you could fit a
short extension cable to it. The connector on the short extension
is intended to take the wear and tear.
2) You use two FIDO2 keys, and register both of them. You lock up
the second one. The second one, is for when the first one wears out.
The various authenticator methods are not all that good, so it's up
to the VA to decide what the authenticator shall be (Windows Hello facial recognition camera, or a fingerprint button). While you can also use
a PIN (doesn't have to be digits, can be text), that's not really
all that good either.
You can lock up both your FIDO2 devices, just not in the same safe.
Paul
On Sat, 8/3/2024 1:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/1/2024 4:08 PM, RobnCA wrote:
I actually was more concerned about you than the port
because you usually comment on something like that.
I actually haven't done any testing or to see if I plugged
it back in if it would work. I just tried it (with the power on)
and it works. I know I should have turned off the power first
and then do it. Sorry, won't happen again.
I have noticed a certain lag on websites sometimes where it takes
forever to load a news program or YouTube video and I have
to refresh it to get it to load. Also to even login sometimes I have
to click retry several times. I attribute that to the websites.
Otherwise the computer are OK.
I still do daily scans and monthly mrimgs.
Robert
USB is "power-safe". You can plug and unplug with
power applied.
PS/2 is different in this regard.
PS/2 isn't used as much now (on new computers).
For USB, you want storage operations to be complete,
which is why "Safely Remove" exists. A keyboard is
not a storage device, which is why it should
not need "Safely Remove".
*******
Firefox has multiple processes. When you open extra
tabs in a window, the tabs can be sharing one Firefox process.
If you open a new window, that may start yet-more Firefox processes.
Try opening a new window in Firefox, then open a URL in it.
Maybe via process isolation, the new process will not be
influenced by activities in other Firefox windows.
But with Windows OS, even if you have a ton of CPU cores,
there is no scaling effect. It can still be slow. It
is because the machine is not making good usage of
what you've given it. And it has been like this for a
while, so I don't expect it will ever change.
Maybe Firefox uses pthreads. Is pthreads good ? Dunno.
Paul
I try to open only what I'm using vs multiple
applications. I use to leave Word, Paintbrush
and Dell Imaging all open but not anymore.
I've been going through allot lately; as an example,
I've spent an entire week trying to create a new VA
Account with ID.me as per the VA recommendation
because the old login is going to be discontinued
but they still can't verify me because they require
a cell phone with text and photo capability which I
don't have.
btw the VA is one of the worst where I constantly loose
my connection and have to click retry/resend 2 or 3 times
just to login. However, whenever I try to login it starts
the process all over and is asking for information I've
already given.
So now I can't login to my account to view appointments,
order medication and I know I have a message waiting
because Yahoo notified me.
Robert
There is another kind of MFA.
This is an advertisement for it, from the people who make the
plugin FIDO2 keys. With the VA, I don't know how easy it will be,
to get the details necessary to configure that.
https://fidoalliance.org/u-s-general-services-administrations-rollout-of-fido2-on-login-gov/
"They are prompted to either insert a hardware security key into their computer
and touch it or, if their device has a supported built-in authenticator, be prompted
to use it by looking into the camera or touching a biometric sensor (for two examples)."
What OS you use, may determine how difficult it is to set up.
Windows 10 has Windows Hello, which may provide the second
feature the thing needs.
It's up to the VA to decide what hardware they want you to use.
While I located one FIDO2 key with a fingerprint reader built
in (you touch the fingerprint area, to cause the device to
send authentication to the VA), that one is out of stock.
Maybe it is actually an older device. I can't find any more info.
With FIDO2 keys:
1) The ones with the cheesy plastic connector, you could fit a
short extension cable to it. The connector on the short extension
is intended to take the wear and tear.
2) You use two FIDO2 keys, and register both of them. You lock up
the second one. The second one, is for when the first one wears out.
The various authenticator methods are not all that good, so it's up
to the VA to decide what the authenticator shall be (Windows Hello facial recognition camera, or a fingerprint button). While you can also use
a PIN (doesn't have to be digits, can be text), that's not really
all that good either.
You can lock up both your FIDO2 devices, just not in the same safe.
Paul
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with.
Robert
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected
Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with.
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected
Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with.
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", >> like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Agreed , its their end that has the problems... this was supposed to be simplerphoto of my drivers license front and back and it was accepted.
but has messed everything up and I've lost my online connection to the VA.
I'm not sure about the FIDO2 is that something I download from them? I had suggested using the Security Key as my MFA and the rep responded I could add another MFA option if I wanted but they still do not have a photo of me. I told him I had given a
I've tried an entire week to get verified by ID.me and their rep just referred me to a VA site. I called the VA and said they could do nothing and referred me back to ID.mehelp at all. I suggested we delete the account and start over and its like he didn't see it.
See what I mean?
Whenever I try and login it asks for the same information I've already given. I tried calling the VA HeatheVet rep but they are never there and their mailbox is full. I tried calling the VA Patients Advocate and the same thing. The ID.me rep is of no
So once I get my car repaired... I'll go to the VA and try and straighten this out.
Thanks
R:)
On Tue, 8/6/2024 2:36 PM, Robert in CA wrote:photo of my drivers license front and back and it was accepted.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected >>>> Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with. >>>>
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", >>> like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Agreed , its their end that has the problems... this was supposed to be simpler
but has messed everything up and I've lost my online connection to the VA. >>
I'm not sure about the FIDO2 is that something I download from them? I had suggested using the Security Key as my MFA and the rep responded I could add another MFA option if I wanted but they still do not have a photo of me. I told him I had given a
help at all. I suggested we delete the account and start over and its like he didn't see it.
I've tried an entire week to get verified by ID.me and their rep just referred me to a VA site. I called the VA and said they could do nothing and referred me back to ID.me
See what I mean?
Whenever I try and login it asks for the same information I've already given. I tried calling the VA HeatheVet rep but they are never there and their mailbox is full. I tried calling the VA Patients Advocate and the same thing. The ID.me rep is of no
So once I get my car repaired... I'll go to the VA and try and straighten this out.
Thanks
R:)
Just for the record, this one, the button on it is the "Transmit" button.
The button is effectively a "clicker". There are different brands of these, implementing the FIDO2 standard. Similar to how TPM chips on computers, implement a standard, even though there are different brands, and those secure the boot process. This can be used for any number of things.
It's possible Gmail can be set up with one of these.
https://www.amazon.ca/FIDO-Security-TrustKey-FIDO2-Fingerprint/dp/B086QTS5YM
The fingerprint ones, are generally a more uniform surface of some sort
of material. One I saw, even looked "optical" and had a transparent section. It's about double the price of the other one.
https://www.amazon.com/Fingerprint-Thetis-Authentication-Protection-SalesForce/dp/B0821TDLP4
And the device manufacturers recommend two of those, so if one stops working, you still have the second working one, until you can get yet another
device enrolled.
I had a device for work a long time ago, and it's a nuisance because
of the "quirks" these devices have. You could go to use one, and
it could stop working. Whereas, your keyboard is pretty reliable
and you can tell when the keys are worn out and take precautions in
time. The security devices can have more than one failure mode
(such as the VA server getting wiped out, and not being ready and
able to accept authentication packets). And then you don't know
where to start. The device I used, needed to be resynchronized
several times, which is painless, but you have to visit the correct
person at work to get it done. These FIDO2 devices are not temporal,
so that kind of quirk is not present. The device I had, was
constantly powered. And, no battery bay either. I think I was
using that in the dialup era, before ADSL.
In my case then, I was "fully supported". There was an IT department.
The password person in my building, could handle the security device.
Whereas in your situation, it's the modern shitty "self-serve" model,
which is fine for things that work, not so fine for high tech things.
Keeping a GMail account working, is an example of the shitty "self-serve" model.
It's great for the smartphone people, who can SMS from dawn till dusk.
Paul
On Tue, 8/6/2024 2:36 PM, Robert in CA wrote:photo of my drivers license front and back and it was accepted.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected >>>> Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with. >>>>
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", >>> like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Agreed , its their end that has the problems... this was supposed to be simpler
but has messed everything up and I've lost my online connection to the VA. >>
I'm not sure about the FIDO2 is that something I download from them? I had suggested using the Security Key as my MFA and the rep responded I could add another MFA option if I wanted but they still do not have a photo of me. I told him I had given a
help at all. I suggested we delete the account and start over and its like he didn't see it.
I've tried an entire week to get verified by ID.me and their rep just referred me to a VA site. I called the VA and said they could do nothing and referred me back to ID.me
See what I mean?
Whenever I try and login it asks for the same information I've already given. I tried calling the VA HeatheVet rep but they are never there and their mailbox is full. I tried calling the VA Patients Advocate and the same thing. The ID.me rep is of no
So once I get my car repaired... I'll go to the VA and try and straighten this out.
Thanks
R:)
Just for the record, this one, the button on it is the "Transmit" button.
The button is effectively a "clicker". There are different brands of these, implementing the FIDO2 standard. Similar to how TPM chips on computers, implement a standard, even though there are different brands, and those secure the boot process. This can be used for any number of things.
It's possible Gmail can be set up with one of these.
https://www.amazon.ca/FIDO-Security-TrustKey-FIDO2-Fingerprint/dp/B086QTS5YM
The fingerprint ones, are generally a more uniform surface of some sort
of material. One I saw, even looked "optical" and had a transparent section. It's about double the price of the other one.
https://www.amazon.com/Fingerprint-Thetis-Authentication-Protection-SalesForce/dp/B0821TDLP4
And the device manufacturers recommend two of those, so if one stops working, you still have the second working one, until you can get yet another
device enrolled.
I had a device for work a long time ago, and it's a nuisance because
of the "quirks" these devices have. You could go to use one, and
it could stop working. Whereas, your keyboard is pretty reliable
and you can tell when the keys are worn out and take precautions in
time. The security devices can have more than one failure mode
(such as the VA server getting wiped out, and not being ready and
able to accept authentication packets). And then you don't know
where to start. The device I used, needed to be resynchronized
several times, which is painless, but you have to visit the correct
person at work to get it done. These FIDO2 devices are not temporal,
so that kind of quirk is not present. The device I had, was
constantly powered. And, no battery bay either. I think I was
using that in the dialup era, before ADSL.
In my case then, I was "fully supported". There was an IT department.
The password person in my building, could handle the security device.
Whereas in your situation, it's the modern shitty "self-serve" model,
which is fine for things that work, not so fine for high tech things.
Keeping a GMail account working, is an example of the shitty "self-serve" model.
It's great for the smartphone people, who can SMS from dawn till dusk.
Paul
On Tue, 8/6/2024 2:36 PM, Robert in CA wrote:photo of my drivers license front and back and it was accepted.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected >>>> Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with. >>>>
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", >>> like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Agreed , its their end that has the problems... this was supposed to be simpler
but has messed everything up and I've lost my online connection to the VA. >>
I'm not sure about the FIDO2 is that something I download from them? I had suggested using the Security Key as my MFA and the rep responded I could add another MFA option if I wanted but they still do not have a photo of me. I told him I had given a
help at all. I suggested we delete the account and start over and its like he didn't see it.
I've tried an entire week to get verified by ID.me and their rep just referred me to a VA site. I called the VA and said they could do nothing and referred me back to ID.me
See what I mean?
Whenever I try and login it asks for the same information I've already given. I tried calling the VA HeatheVet rep but they are never there and their mailbox is full. I tried calling the VA Patients Advocate and the same thing. The ID.me rep is of no
So once I get my car repaired... I'll go to the VA and try and straighten this out.
Thanks
R:)
Just for the record, this one, the button on it is the "Transmit" button.
The button is effectively a "clicker". There are different brands of these, implementing the FIDO2 standard. Similar to how TPM chips on computers, implement a standard, even though there are different brands, and those secure the boot process. This can be used for any number of things.
It's possible Gmail can be set up with one of these.
https://www.amazon.ca/FIDO-Security-TrustKey-FIDO2-Fingerprint/dp/B086QTS5YM
The fingerprint ones, are generally a more uniform surface of some sort
of material. One I saw, even looked "optical" and had a transparent section. It's about double the price of the other one.
https://www.amazon.com/Fingerprint-Thetis-Authentication-Protection-SalesForce/dp/B0821TDLP4
And the device manufacturers recommend two of those, so if one stops working, you still have the second working one, until you can get yet another
device enrolled.
I had a device for work a long time ago, and it's a nuisance because
of the "quirks" these devices have. You could go to use one, and
it could stop working. Whereas, your keyboard is pretty reliable
and you can tell when the keys are worn out and take precautions in
time. The security devices can have more than one failure mode
(such as the VA server getting wiped out, and not being ready and
able to accept authentication packets). And then you don't know
where to start. The device I used, needed to be resynchronized
several times, which is painless, but you have to visit the correct
person at work to get it done. These FIDO2 devices are not temporal,
so that kind of quirk is not present. The device I had, was
constantly powered. And, no battery bay either. I think I was
using that in the dialup era, before ADSL.
In my case then, I was "fully supported". There was an IT department.
The password person in my building, could handle the security device.
Whereas in your situation, it's the modern shitty "self-serve" model,
which is fine for things that work, not so fine for high tech things.
Keeping a GMail account working, is an example of the shitty "self-serve" model.
It's great for the smartphone people, who can SMS from dawn till dusk.
Paul
On Tue, 8/6/2024 2:36 PM, Robert in CA wrote:photo of my drivers license front and back and it was accepted.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/4/2024 6:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and looked at the options they gave... I should of selected >>>> Security Key ,. then would probably have to download some application
from them. Would I still be able to check it with scans?
https://postimg.cc/BL4nGZVT
Anyways, I'm going to suggest it to the ID.me guy I'm in contact with. >>>>
Robert
Anything that involves computers, is going to be like this.
You've likely figured this out by now. A self-perpetuating
loop. It's just the size of the loop that varies :-/
I have a vague sense of some of it, but the analysis of "actual security", >>> like how much better is it than a phish-able phone setup, that I don't
know. The security key can be stolen from you, but the authentication
method should be harder to steal.
And the articles Microsoft writes on this are not that helpful.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/windows-hello-face-authentication
The cameras seven or eight years ago, were "structured light" cameras.
One of the facial recognition features, was illuminating your face
with infrared light, which is a bit more independent of ambient
light conditions. But if I Google the topic, there are people who
have problems with their hardware and the drivers for it. Stuff
that used to work, that stopped working.
Fingerprint readers have been around for a longer time, but
unless the OS has a framework for them, there could still be
reasons they don't work.
That's why you want someone to help you, who knows of "approved"
or even "tested" setups that work.
But the FIDO2 key, that part is simpler. The recognition there,
part of it is at the VA end, actually accepting input from
a FIDO2 key. It's less likely to be a USB hub failure on the
local computer end.
Fingerprint readers apparently vary in some anti-spoofing
features they have added.
It's the authentication bit that leaves a lot to be desired.
Paul
Agreed , its their end that has the problems... this was supposed to be simpler
but has messed everything up and I've lost my online connection to the VA. >>
I'm not sure about the FIDO2 is that something I download from them? I had suggested using the Security Key as my MFA and the rep responded I could add another MFA option if I wanted but they still do not have a photo of me. I told him I had given a
help at all. I suggested we delete the account and start over and its like he didn't see it.
I've tried an entire week to get verified by ID.me and their rep just referred me to a VA site. I called the VA and said they could do nothing and referred me back to ID.me
See what I mean?
Whenever I try and login it asks for the same information I've already given. I tried calling the VA HeatheVet rep but they are never there and their mailbox is full. I tried calling the VA Patients Advocate and the same thing. The ID.me rep is of no
So once I get my car repaired... I'll go to the VA and try and straighten this out.
Thanks
R:)
Just for the record, this one, the button on it is the "Transmit" button.
The button is effectively a "clicker". There are different brands of these, implementing the FIDO2 standard. Similar to how TPM chips on computers, implement a standard, even though there are different brands, and those secure the boot process. This can be used for any number of things.
It's possible Gmail can be set up with one of these.
https://www.amazon.ca/FIDO-Security-TrustKey-FIDO2-Fingerprint/dp/B086QTS5YM
The fingerprint ones, are generally a more uniform surface of some sort
of material. One I saw, even looked "optical" and had a transparent section. It's about double the price of the other one.
https://www.amazon.com/Fingerprint-Thetis-Authentication-Protection-SalesForce/dp/B0821TDLP4
And the device manufacturers recommend two of those, so if one stops working, you still have the second working one, until you can get yet another
device enrolled.
I had a device for work a long time ago, and it's a nuisance because
of the "quirks" these devices have. You could go to use one, and
it could stop working. Whereas, your keyboard is pretty reliable
and you can tell when the keys are worn out and take precautions in
time. The security devices can have more than one failure mode
(such as the VA server getting wiped out, and not being ready and
able to accept authentication packets). And then you don't know
where to start. The device I used, needed to be resynchronized
several times, which is painless, but you have to visit the correct
person at work to get it done. These FIDO2 devices are not temporal,
so that kind of quirk is not present. The device I had, was
constantly powered. And, no battery bay either. I think I was
using that in the dialup era, before ADSL.
In my case then, I was "fully supported". There was an IT department.
The password person in my building, could handle the security device.
Whereas in your situation, it's the modern shitty "self-serve" model,
which is fine for things that work, not so fine for high tech things.
Keeping a GMail account working, is an example of the shitty "self-serve" model.
It's great for the smartphone people, who can SMS from dawn till dusk.
Paul
I was able to login
Robert
On Thu, 8/8/2024 11:47 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I was able to login
Robert
That must count as a miracle :-)
Paul
Yes, but I still have to create a new
account with ID.me or login.Gov by Jan.
Also, my car has some serious trouble,..
the thermostat stuck so I have to have
the radiator replaced, water pump, hoses
etc but no one will take it because its a
1990 Toyota.
Its been down for 2 weeks now; the park
manager's husband is a mechanic and
hopefully he'll fix it for me. We'll see
and hope for the best.
Robert
On Sat, 8/17/2024 3:02 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes, but I still have to create a new
account with ID.me or login.Gov by Jan.
Also, my car has some serious trouble,..
the thermostat stuck so I have to have
the radiator replaced, water pump, hoses
etc but no one will take it because its a
1990 Toyota.
Its been down for 2 weeks now; the park
manager's husband is a mechanic and
hopefully he'll fix it for me. We'll see
and hope for the best.
Robert
At that vintage, certain after-market parts
won't be readily available.
On my car, it was off to the junk yard to find parts.
The transmission in my car, the replacement, came
from a junk yard, and it wasn't in "primo" condition.
But it did last until the end of the life of the car.
There are also parts networks, which I gather is
a kind of forum, a mechanic can ask if anyone
has a #12345678 sitting around, and other people have
a look. For my previous car, the tech was using
that to track down parts that were no long
available as official after-market stuff. That
might stretch your parts from 18 years to 20 years.
Dealerships don't necessarily stock in depth. Like
when I needed exhaust hangers (the rubber donut
that suspends the exhaust), I had to go all over town
to find a couple.
Just to give you some idea, some parts start
disappearing before the "end of the era". If they
promise to have parts for 18 years, some of the
parts can disappear years earlier than that.
And that matters when you've been in a smash-up,
and items that would not normally wear out, are needed.
Again, it's time for a hunt in the junk yard and so on.
And some things are just a bad idea. It might have
been my first car. A neighbor knocked the bumper off it.
The shop acquires a new bumper (plastic). It's the wrong
color, and so they say "no problem, we'll paint it".
And for the rest of the life of that car, the bumper
was a "festering peeling mess" :-) Such classic good looks.
It's not really a good idea to paint plastic bumps.
I mean, who knew ?
It's one thing to get hoses, at a hose place. But
some hoses are "shaped" and have sharp features in
them (bends you cannot do properly with your hands,
because the hose would collapse if you bent it that way).
The hoses seem to be molded into the require shape.
While under normal circumstances, you'd only need
a hose of 2" diameter and so many feet long, when
they're shaped like that, you need the correct part instead.
These are hoses that fit into tight spots.
As an example, I was lucky on my Integra, the power steering cooler
(it doesn't need one of those!) rusted out, I did a bypass.
I got a length of generic hose, some stainless hose
clamps, and just replaced the cooler with... nothing.
And that worked fine. Since the run was a straight line,
the hose just had to be compatible with power steering fluid.
The last thing that blew on that car, was a rebuilt alternator,
and since the frame was getting soft (no way to lift car
any more to work on it), that means it is time to
donate the car to the junk yard.
Sometimes a mechanical will tell you that. "If I lift
your car, it could fall off the lift." That's when you
know you're close to the limit. I don't like lifting
cars via the pinch welds, and I use my floor jack and
lift them by the beam in the center. It's floor jack,
jack stands, and chocks for the wheels.
Paul
On Sat, 8/17/2024 3:02 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes, but I still have to create a new
account with ID.me or login.Gov by Jan.
Also, my car has some serious trouble,..
the thermostat stuck so I have to have
the radiator replaced, water pump, hoses
etc but no one will take it because its a
1990 Toyota.
Its been down for 2 weeks now; the park
manager's husband is a mechanic and
hopefully he'll fix it for me. We'll see
and hope for the best.
Robert
At that vintage, certain after-market parts
won't be readily available.
On my car, it was off to the junk yard to find parts.
The transmission in my car, the replacement, came
from a junk yard, and it wasn't in "primo" condition.
But it did last until the end of the life of the car.
There are also parts networks, which I gather is
a kind of forum, a mechanic can ask if anyone
has a #12345678 sitting around, and other people have
a look. For my previous car, the tech was using
that to track down parts that were no long
available as official after-market stuff. That
might stretch your parts from 18 years to 20 years.
Dealerships don't necessarily stock in depth. Like
when I needed exhaust hangers (the rubber donut
that suspends the exhaust), I had to go all over town
to find a couple.
Just to give you some idea, some parts start
disappearing before the "end of the era". If they
promise to have parts for 18 years, some of the
parts can disappear years earlier than that.
And that matters when you've been in a smash-up,
and items that would not normally wear out, are needed.
Again, it's time for a hunt in the junk yard and so on.
And some things are just a bad idea. It might have
been my first car. A neighbor knocked the bumper off it.
The shop acquires a new bumper (plastic). It's the wrong
color, and so they say "no problem, we'll paint it".
And for the rest of the life of that car, the bumper
was a "festering peeling mess" :-) Such classic good looks.
It's not really a good idea to paint plastic bumps.
I mean, who knew ?
It's one thing to get hoses, at a hose place. But
some hoses are "shaped" and have sharp features in
them (bends you cannot do properly with your hands,
because the hose would collapse if you bent it that way).
The hoses seem to be molded into the require shape.
While under normal circumstances, you'd only need
a hose of 2" diameter and so many feet long, when
they're shaped like that, you need the correct part instead.
These are hoses that fit into tight spots.
As an example, I was lucky on my Integra, the power steering cooler
(it doesn't need one of those!) rusted out, I did a bypass.
I got a length of generic hose, some stainless hose
clamps, and just replaced the cooler with... nothing.
And that worked fine. Since the run was a straight line,
the hose just had to be compatible with power steering fluid.
The last thing that blew on that car, was a rebuilt alternator,
and since the frame was getting soft (no way to lift car
any more to work on it), that means it is time to
donate the car to the junk yard.
Sometimes a mechanical will tell you that. "If I lift
your car, it could fall off the lift." That's when you
know you're close to the limit. I don't like lifting
cars via the pinch welds, and I use my floor jack and
lift them by the beam in the center. It's floor jack,
jack stands, and chocks for the wheels.
Paul
I think I remember you saying that the lag problem
I'm experiencing may be an indication of my power
supply going.
Is there a test like HD-Tune that we can test the power
supply to see if it's OK ?
Thanks,
Robert
On Mon, 8/19/2024 12:07 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I think I remember you saying that the lag problem
I'm experiencing may be an indication of my power
supply going.
Is there a test like HD-Tune that we can test the power
supply to see if it's OK ?
Thanks,
Robert
Static testing of an ATX PSU, means using a multimeter
to measure the voltages. When you apply a computing
load, you expect the voltage to only vary by a tiny
amount, not by a large amount. The terms for this
are "line regulation" and "load regulation". As the mains
voltage goes up and down, the DC output does not change.
When the CPU draws more current, the +12V does not drop too much.
Instead of using the CPU as an electrical load, you
can use ceramic power resistors. I have a 100W load
for a PSU, that consists of a series of ceramic resistors.
I might measure the ATX voltage while the load is applied.
This load is used for evaluating a new PSU, and it is
not a strenuous test. It's a test that the thing is
"functional" and "meets baseline performance". It
does not evaluate the transient response, the ability to
handle a large capacitive load and so on. More than 5000uF
of capacitance, may cause an ATX supply to oscillate
(no remaining phase margin in control loop).
There are rack mount PSU testers you can get. I think
perhaps a site like Anandtech might have had one of those.
Those can evaluate just about every spec a PSU might meet.
It's a lot harder though, to do realistic or precise testing
via adhoc means. Testing with a multimeter isn't all that
meaningful.
*******
When a PSU does not measure up, one possible outcome is a CPU crash.
A second outcome (if the 12V runs at 11V), is the hard drive spins down
and spins back up. You might even hear "clicking", which is a seek-to-zero operation. But the drive isn't really doing that for good reason, that's
the firmware it is forced to run when the power monitor chip decides
to reset the controller printed circuit board. When a disk clicks,
there are two possibilities - bad PSU, or bad disk.
The PSU can be quite sick, before the machine manifests with any
symptoms at all. It was the hard drive noise, that told me the
previous supply needed to be changed out. I checked the voltages
with the multimeter, and only the +12V was low. I got a Seasonic S12 600W
to replace it. The previous supply was around 500W or so, an Enermax
I've had for a long time.
Generally, Dell PSUs are OK. They're not a Powmax or anything :-)
https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/17-163-018-06.JPG
"Lag" in a browser, can come from the CPU being pinned on one core,
by a Javascript script in any open tab. It does not take much to
cause that to happen. For some reason, browsers run a bit better
under Linux. There's something about the scheduling or the thread
model which is different. I have not seen a technical description
of this difference, or I'd tell you what it was.
Paul
On Mon, 8/19/2024 12:07 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I think I remember you saying that the lag problem
I'm experiencing may be an indication of my power
supply going.
Is there a test like HD-Tune that we can test the power
supply to see if it's OK ?
Thanks,
Robert
Static testing of an ATX PSU, means using a multimeter
to measure the voltages. When you apply a computing
load, you expect the voltage to only vary by a tiny
amount, not by a large amount. The terms for this
are "line regulation" and "load regulation". As the mains
voltage goes up and down, the DC output does not change.
When the CPU draws more current, the +12V does not drop too much.
Instead of using the CPU as an electrical load, you
can use ceramic power resistors. I have a 100W load
for a PSU, that consists of a series of ceramic resistors.
I might measure the ATX voltage while the load is applied.
This load is used for evaluating a new PSU, and it is
not a strenuous test. It's a test that the thing is
"functional" and "meets baseline performance". It
does not evaluate the transient response, the ability to
handle a large capacitive load and so on. More than 5000uF
of capacitance, may cause an ATX supply to oscillate
(no remaining phase margin in control loop).
There are rack mount PSU testers you can get. I think
perhaps a site like Anandtech might have had one of those.
Those can evaluate just about every spec a PSU might meet.
It's a lot harder though, to do realistic or precise testing
via adhoc means. Testing with a multimeter isn't all that
meaningful.
*******
When a PSU does not measure up, one possible outcome is a CPU crash.
A second outcome (if the 12V runs at 11V), is the hard drive spins down
and spins back up. You might even hear "clicking", which is a seek-to-zero operation. But the drive isn't really doing that for good reason, that's
the firmware it is forced to run when the power monitor chip decides
to reset the controller printed circuit board. When a disk clicks,
there are two possibilities - bad PSU, or bad disk.
The PSU can be quite sick, before the machine manifests with any
symptoms at all. It was the hard drive noise, that told me the
previous supply needed to be changed out. I checked the voltages
with the multimeter, and only the +12V was low. I got a Seasonic S12 600W
to replace it. The previous supply was around 500W or so, an Enermax
I've had for a long time.
Generally, Dell PSUs are OK. They're not a Powmax or anything :-)
https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/17-163-018-06.JPG
"Lag" in a browser, can come from the CPU being pinned on one core,
by a Javascript script in any open tab. It does not take much to
cause that to happen. For some reason, browsers run a bit better
under Linux. There's something about the scheduling or the thread
model which is different. I have not seen a technical description
of this difference, or I'd tell you what it was.
Paul
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
On Wed, 8/28/2024 2:22 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
I would guess these are different versions.
You might be able to go to their Program Files area,
and do Properties on the main EXE file in there, and
see if the version is mentioned.
They both look like they're in Free mode (on-demand scan only),
but only one indicates the Free status in the GUI (by using
the word "Free").
I tried looking at some Google images of Malwarebytes screens,
and it's just a horrible mass of advertising, rather than
presenting program information in a useful way.
I suspect you're a few versions behind, but for signature scanning,
that may not be that important (altering it, may make the
situation worse). Their real time features would
work better if they were kept up to date, but that would be
a subscription, and it might also conflict with AVG or whatever
else you've got as a real time AV. (Running two real-time AVs
could slow a machine down.)
As I understand it, the Malwarebytes on-demand signature scan,
should not interact with an Avast or AVG subscription (with
real time AV protection).
I only resort to attempting to "test" mine, if it appears
to be "dead". Malwarebytes, I think they said before, they
don't respond to EICAR (as a test), and I can understand
their reasons for saying that (not a good test), but in
many situations, it's the easiest thing I can try. But
that would not work on Malwarebytes. And your other AV,
may intercept the attempt to install it, before Malwarebytes
can be asked to do an on-demand scan. In summary, it's hard
to design test cases for a well-armored battleship. And even when
products have switches to "disable" them, they're not really
disabled. Just about anything could happen to invalidate your
test case :-)
I have tested AV products before, which appeared to be non-functional,
and they were so bad, you didn't even need to feed them "bait" to tell
they were dead. In other cases, all the dialog boxes work, but
they're not really working. I've had failures on the Microsoft one,
where it doesn't seem to be loaded (I get a white screen instead
of the dialog). It's been OK for the last year or
so, at a guess. But the Microsoft one had some bad stretches,
where it wasn't always home when you checked on it.
Paul
On Wed, 8/28/2024 2:22 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
I would guess these are different versions.
You might be able to go to their Program Files area,
and do Properties on the main EXE file in there, and
see if the version is mentioned.
They both look like they're in Free mode (on-demand scan only),
but only one indicates the Free status in the GUI (by using
the word "Free").
I tried looking at some Google images of Malwarebytes screens,
and it's just a horrible mass of advertising, rather than
presenting program information in a useful way.
I suspect you're a few versions behind, but for signature scanning,
that may not be that important (altering it, may make the
situation worse). Their real time features would
work better if they were kept up to date, but that would be
a subscription, and it might also conflict with AVG or whatever
else you've got as a real time AV. (Running two real-time AVs
could slow a machine down.)
As I understand it, the Malwarebytes on-demand signature scan,
should not interact with an Avast or AVG subscription (with
real time AV protection).
I only resort to attempting to "test" mine, if it appears
to be "dead". Malwarebytes, I think they said before, they
don't respond to EICAR (as a test), and I can understand
their reasons for saying that (not a good test), but in
many situations, it's the easiest thing I can try. But
that would not work on Malwarebytes. And your other AV,
may intercept the attempt to install it, before Malwarebytes
can be asked to do an on-demand scan. In summary, it's hard
to design test cases for a well-armored battleship. And even when
products have switches to "disable" them, they're not really
disabled. Just about anything could happen to invalidate your
test case :-)
I have tested AV products before, which appeared to be non-functional,
and they were so bad, you didn't even need to feed them "bait" to tell
they were dead. In other cases, all the dialog boxes work, but
they're not really working. I've had failures on the Microsoft one,
where it doesn't seem to be loaded (I get a white screen instead
of the dialog). It's been OK for the last year or
so, at a guess. But the Microsoft one had some bad stretches,
where it wasn't always home when you checked on it.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 8/28/2024 2:22 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
I would guess these are different versions.
You might be able to go to their Program Files area,
and do Properties on the main EXE file in there, and
see if the version is mentioned.
They both look like they're in Free mode (on-demand scan only),
but only one indicates the Free status in the GUI (by using
the word "Free").
I tried looking at some Google images of Malwarebytes screens,
and it's just a horrible mass of advertising, rather than
presenting program information in a useful way.
I suspect you're a few versions behind, but for signature scanning,
that may not be that important (altering it, may make the
situation worse). Their real time features would
work better if they were kept up to date, but that would be
a subscription, and it might also conflict with AVG or whatever
else you've got as a real time AV. (Running two real-time AVs
could slow a machine down.)
As I understand it, the Malwarebytes on-demand signature scan,
should not interact with an Avast or AVG subscription (with
real time AV protection).
I only resort to attempting to "test" mine, if it appears
to be "dead". Malwarebytes, I think they said before, they
don't respond to EICAR (as a test), and I can understand
their reasons for saying that (not a good test), but in
many situations, it's the easiest thing I can try. But
that would not work on Malwarebytes. And your other AV,
may intercept the attempt to install it, before Malwarebytes
can be asked to do an on-demand scan. In summary, it's hard
to design test cases for a well-armored battleship. And even when
products have switches to "disable" them, they're not really
disabled. Just about anything could happen to invalidate your
test case :-)
I have tested AV products before, which appeared to be non-functional,
and they were so bad, you didn't even need to feed them "bait" to tell
they were dead. In other cases, all the dialog boxes work, but
they're not really working. I've had failures on the Microsoft one,
where it doesn't seem to be loaded (I get a white screen instead
of the dialog). It's been OK for the last year or
so, at a guess. But the Microsoft one had some bad stretches,
where it wasn't always home when you checked on it.
Paul
I was just curious,..
I just finished doing the mrimg's ; the 780 took
about 1 hour but the 8500 took about 30 minutes!
I would have thought the 8500 would take longer
because there's more on it?
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/hz8YYN7y
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/BXnzhYZp
Why the difference in time?
Thanks,
Robert
_
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 8/28/2024 2:22 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
I would guess these are different versions.
You might be able to go to their Program Files area,
and do Properties on the main EXE file in there, and
see if the version is mentioned.
They both look like they're in Free mode (on-demand scan only),
but only one indicates the Free status in the GUI (by using
the word "Free").
I tried looking at some Google images of Malwarebytes screens,
and it's just a horrible mass of advertising, rather than
presenting program information in a useful way.
I suspect you're a few versions behind, but for signature scanning,
that may not be that important (altering it, may make the
situation worse). Their real time features would
work better if they were kept up to date, but that would be
a subscription, and it might also conflict with AVG or whatever
else you've got as a real time AV. (Running two real-time AVs
could slow a machine down.)
As I understand it, the Malwarebytes on-demand signature scan,
should not interact with an Avast or AVG subscription (with
real time AV protection).
I only resort to attempting to "test" mine, if it appears
to be "dead". Malwarebytes, I think they said before, they
don't respond to EICAR (as a test), and I can understand
their reasons for saying that (not a good test), but in
many situations, it's the easiest thing I can try. But
that would not work on Malwarebytes. And your other AV,
may intercept the attempt to install it, before Malwarebytes
can be asked to do an on-demand scan. In summary, it's hard
to design test cases for a well-armored battleship. And even when
products have switches to "disable" them, they're not really
disabled. Just about anything could happen to invalidate your
test case :-)
I have tested AV products before, which appeared to be non-functional,
and they were so bad, you didn't even need to feed them "bait" to tell
they were dead. In other cases, all the dialog boxes work, but
they're not really working. I've had failures on the Microsoft one,
where it doesn't seem to be loaded (I get a white screen instead
of the dialog). It's been OK for the last year or
so, at a guess. But the Microsoft one had some bad stretches,
where it wasn't always home when you checked on it.
Paul
I was just curious,..
I just finished doing the mrimg's ; the 780 took
about 1 hour but the 8500 took about 30 minutes!
I would have thought the 8500 would take longer
because there's more on it?
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/hz8YYN7y
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/BXnzhYZp
Why the difference in time?
Thanks,
Robert
Oh I think I know,..
the 8500 I/O speed is much faster,..
Robert
On Sun, 9/1/2024 12:23 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 8/28/2024 2:22 PM, RobnCA wrote:
Just curious,.. on the 8500 Malwarebytes has changed with the
updates but doesn't show a version number while the 780 has
changed and is V4.6.17 but they look different. I'm just wondering
why the difference? I check for updates for both so they should
be the same.
8500 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/ykbdsVmf
780 Malwarebytes:
https://postimg.cc/3WG9gRRG
Thanks,
Robert
I would guess these are different versions.
You might be able to go to their Program Files area,
and do Properties on the main EXE file in there, and
see if the version is mentioned.
They both look like they're in Free mode (on-demand scan only),
but only one indicates the Free status in the GUI (by using
the word "Free").
I tried looking at some Google images of Malwarebytes screens,
and it's just a horrible mass of advertising, rather than
presenting program information in a useful way.
I suspect you're a few versions behind, but for signature scanning,
that may not be that important (altering it, may make the
situation worse). Their real time features would
work better if they were kept up to date, but that would be
a subscription, and it might also conflict with AVG or whatever
else you've got as a real time AV. (Running two real-time AVs
could slow a machine down.)
As I understand it, the Malwarebytes on-demand signature scan,
should not interact with an Avast or AVG subscription (with
real time AV protection).
I only resort to attempting to "test" mine, if it appears
to be "dead". Malwarebytes, I think they said before, they
don't respond to EICAR (as a test), and I can understand
their reasons for saying that (not a good test), but in
many situations, it's the easiest thing I can try. But
that would not work on Malwarebytes. And your other AV,
may intercept the attempt to install it, before Malwarebytes
can be asked to do an on-demand scan. In summary, it's hard
to design test cases for a well-armored battleship. And even when
products have switches to "disable" them, they're not really
disabled. Just about anything could happen to invalidate your
test case :-)
I have tested AV products before, which appeared to be non-functional,
and they were so bad, you didn't even need to feed them "bait" to tell
they were dead. In other cases, all the dialog boxes work, but
they're not really working. I've had failures on the Microsoft one,
where it doesn't seem to be loaded (I get a white screen instead
of the dialog). It's been OK for the last year or
so, at a guess. But the Microsoft one had some bad stretches,
where it wasn't always home when you checked on it.
Paul
I was just curious,..
I just finished doing the mrimg's ; the 780 took
about 1 hour but the 8500 took about 30 minutes!
I would have thought the 8500 would take longer
because there's more on it?
780 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/hz8YYN7y
8500 mrimg
https://postimg.cc/BXnzhYZp
Why the difference in time?
Thanks,
Robert
The 780 is writing at 1.1Gbit/sec or 138MB/sec.
The 8500 is writing at 1.6Gbit/sec or 200MB/sec.
Both speeds are possible with USB3, with the 8500 having a
"native" port, and the 780 if you used USB3 could have the
limitation of the PCIe x1 slot bandwidth (250MB/sec max).
Another aspect of the problem, is whether the CPU has been
asked to compress the output. There is an option control in
the lower left corner, and you can turn off compression to
get more speed.
Macrium creates checksums for the MRIMG as it writes, and
that is an aspect which provides an overall limit. You cannot
go faster than the checksum process goes. The upper limit
on some boxes would be about 300MB/sec or 2.4Gbit/sec.
Hard drives are faster on the outer diameter, than they are
near the hub. The hard drive that does maybe 290MB/sec
on the outer diameter, only does 145MB/sec near the hub.
Whereas flash based storage devices are more consistent from
end to end.
I would say, overall, the 780 did pretty good for a machine
of that era. I have likely seen specimens here in the same
ballpark as the 780. The thing is, Macrium doesn't pull every
hardware trick in the book -- they want the backup to be
accurate first, as an overall concern. The compressor they use,
is a rather lightweight one, and it's a miracle it does not
slow down the process all that much, compared to some of the
compression choices. The best compressor you can get, even
on my most powerful machine, can only do 50MB/sec :-) It is
possible the Macrium one, runs on just the one core.
If you happen to have included an MRIMG as part of a new backup
operation, the file is already compressed, so the compressor
will run slower on that portion of the backup.
Paul
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