On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:26:16 -0400, "Mayayana"
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
<Merle@invalid.com> wrote
Panda's Dome freebie did cause a few problems with some of my programs >because it wanted too much control. It tried demolishing my Sygate
firewall, plus it didn't like one of my TrueCrypt volumes that was
open at the time. Panda is one of those intrusive p.i.a. ones i
complain about. But it is free. If you let it have its way with your
box, it's probably okay.
Panda Dome did give me a problem that I didn't mention. LIke so many
of these dang new AVs, it doesn't want to be uninstalled.
I beat it by the fact I had saved a copy of the registry before I
installed Panda. When it gave me uninstall problems I merely loaded
in the pre Panda registry copy and rebooted. With its "legs" cut out
from under it, Panda was easily deleted like any other file.
That Erunt registry saver is one of the handiest of utilities.
Now, are we done with this nonsense? I hope so. :o)
Merle@invalid.com wrote:
Panda Dome did give me a problem that I didn't mention. LIke so many
of these dang new AVs, it doesn't want to be uninstalled.
I beat it by the fact I had saved a copy of the registry before I
installed Panda. When it gave me uninstall problems I merely loaded
in the pre Panda registry copy and rebooted. With its "legs" cut out
from under it, Panda was easily deleted like any other file.
That Erunt registry saver is one of the handiest of utilities.
Now, are we done with this nonsense? I hope so. :o)
https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/support/card?id=82011
"Download and run the Panda Generic Uninstaller file
to the Windows Desktop, for example.
https://www.pandasecurity.com/resources/tools/uninstaller.exe
"
It can take three or four Google searches to find items
like that, because the company may already have used
the word "Cleaner" to sell one of their products :-)
Usually for the uninstaller concept, there are two possibilities.
1) Uninstaller does absolutely everything for you, destroying
a working product that is still running at the moment.
2) The other style, says to use "Programs and Features" first,
to remove the AV program the regular way. Then when you run
the "uninstaller" thing as a separate download, it does things
like scan the registry for the company name, and throw out
all the references it finds. That's why the word "Generic"
appears in some of them, because the uninstaller doesn't know
what it is cleaning up after, but the company has some standards
for registry entries, that makes them easier to remove later.
In the case of (2) type, not following the instructions correctly,
has consequences ("makes a mess of things"). For type (2), you need
a backup before you begin. A full C: partition backup.
Paul
<Merle@invalid.com> wrote
| I cannot believe that people who pay the outrageous sums wanted today
| for a "top" AV do not know what the hey they are buying. But it must
| be so, otherwise someone would have given me a definitive answer by
| now.
|
I don't think most people have any idea how to start to
understand. The rental model makes it worse. Lots of people
feel they just have to have Office 365 or Adobe CS, for work
or school. There isn't much choice. You just give them your
credit card. And it's worse if you don't understand how it works.
If you don't download copies of all your files in standard formats
then you might lose them all if you end the subscription, for
example.
My very elderly father got mad a few years ago when he
bought a new computer and understood that it came with
MS Office and Norton System Works. After all, their logo
stickers were right there on the front of the computer. But
after 3 months they wanted him to pay. It was only a 3
month trials to get him hooked. I imagine lots of people fall
for that. They don't even understand what version of Windows
they're using, so it doesn't occur to them that a computer
with pre-installed MS Office might just be a scam ad.
Just as lots of people fall for Comcast or Verizon
advertising $99.99 in big type, with loads of small print that
I can't even read with my glasses on. When you do manage
to read it, it turns out that there's actually no way to determine
the actual cost of the "special deal", which will expire after
a year, anyway. But people want their Internet and cable TV.
And regulators have gone missing. I found the same with
cellphone plans. Not one provider was willing to tell me what the
actual bill would say after adding in all the trumped up taxes,
fees, and non-included services.
| I did find one freebie that is simple as hell, and seemingly works
| without trying to take control of your whole machine with their
| invasive nonsense. The simple freebie I found it AVZ by Kaspersky.
| All it does is the simple stuff AVs used to do years ago.
|
I've also used free, portable versions before, for one-time checks.
| I'm going to try to do the
impossible and get an answer on this from a couple of the companies
|
I'd be interested to hear the results of you investigation... and
whether you have to give them a credit card before they'll answer...
"You can cancel at any time." :)
"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote in news:sck9dd$jbt$1@dont- >email.me:
<Merle@invalid.com> wrote
| I cannot believe that people who pay the outrageous sums wanted today
| for a "top" AV do not know what the hey they are buying. But it must
| be so, otherwise someone would have given me a definitive answer by
| now.
|
I don't think most people have any idea how to start to
understand. The rental model makes it worse. Lots of people
feel they just have to have Office 365 or Adobe CS, for work
or school. There isn't much choice. You just give them your
credit card. And it's worse if you don't understand how it works.
If you don't download copies of all your files in standard formats
then you might lose them all if you end the subscription, for
example.
My very elderly father got mad a few years ago when he
bought a new computer and understood that it came with
MS Office and Norton System Works. After all, their logo
stickers were right there on the front of the computer. But
after 3 months they wanted him to pay. It was only a 3
month trials to get him hooked. I imagine lots of people fall
for that. They don't even understand what version of Windows
they're using, so it doesn't occur to them that a computer
with pre-installed MS Office might just be a scam ad.
Just as lots of people fall for Comcast or Verizon
advertising $99.99 in big type, with loads of small print that
I can't even read with my glasses on. When you do manage
to read it, it turns out that there's actually no way to determine
the actual cost of the "special deal", which will expire after
a year, anyway. But people want their Internet and cable TV.
And regulators have gone missing. I found the same with
cellphone plans. Not one provider was willing to tell me what the
actual bill would say after adding in all the trumped up taxes,
fees, and non-included services.
+1
I have Comcast at three locations. I've let the original contracted for
plan expire so that I'm not on conract. They keep wanting to sell me
more, on a new contract, than what I need, for less than I'm paying for
now, but when I question them about the fine print, they have no idea
what the 'real' new cost will be. I'd rather deal with the devil I know.
Same thing with my ATT mobile; there's four phones, all off contract.
My daughter just left ATT (no reception at her new location) for Verizon.
She took advantage of an offer to trade in her ATT iPhone (all paid for)
for a $300 credit on a new Verizon phone and unlimited data, without a >contract. I'll believe that when I see it. She was told by one agent
that this was the last day the offer was being made, so she signed up.
She later found out the offer was still ongoing. When she got her new
phone home, she found out they had not set it up correctly. She could
only make calls using wifi. Wonder what the plan and phone will really
cost.
Very sleazy and deceptive. Yes, regulators are missing.
| I did find one freebie that is simple as hell, and seemingly works
| without trying to take control of your whole machine with their
| invasive nonsense. The simple freebie I found it AVZ by Kaspersky.
| All it does is the simple stuff AVs used to do years ago.
|
I've also used free, portable versions before, for one-time checks.
| I'm going to try to do the
impossible and get an answer on this from a couple of the companies
|
I'd be interested to hear the results of you investigation... and
whether you have to give them a credit card before they'll answer...
"You can cancel at any time." :)
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