• Solving the YouTube Ad Problem?

    From luke@invalid.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 9 17:34:01 2022
    I'm using Firefox 52.9.0 - 32 bit (non ESR) and MyPal 29.1.1 with XP
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    I use FFx to watch and download YouTube vids because using my version
    of FFx does not show the ton of commercial ads which infests YouTube
    when using MyPal or other newer browsers.

    How in the heck does anyone with UpToDate browsers watch YouTube at
    all with all those ads?

    Does anyone know of an add-on for my version of MyPal which would
    allow watching YouTube without ads? I'd like to use MyPal instead of
    my old FFx because it's faster and and shows shaper vids

    Also, does anyone know of a proggie similar to AdBlock Plus which
    works with my version of MyPal?

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/07/2022 23:34, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:luke@invalid.com">luke@invalid.com</a>
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    How in the heck does anyone with UpToDate browsers watch YouTube at
    all with all those ads?
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    People use Google's Subscription plan to avoid all those Ads
    especially if users are still using unsupported Operating system
    such as Windows XP. XP users are required to sing in on YouTube
    website and that might reduce some Ads but not all. Subscription is
    the best way to avoid Ads or use some tools to download Videos and
    view them offline.<br>
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    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.youtube.com/premium/annual">&lt;https://www.youtube.com/premium/annual&gt;</a><br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116">&lt;https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116&gt;</a><br>

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to luke@invalid.com on Sat Jul 9 22:44:19 2022
    On 7/9/2022 6:34 PM, luke@invalid.com wrote:
    I'm using Firefox 52.9.0 - 32 bit (non ESR) and MyPal 29.1.1 with XP
    Pro.

    I use FFx to watch and download YouTube vids because using my version
    of FFx does not show the ton of commercial ads which infests YouTube
    when using MyPal or other newer browsers.

    How in the heck does anyone with UpToDate browsers watch YouTube at
    all with all those ads?

    Does anyone know of an add-on for my version of MyPal which would
    allow watching YouTube without ads? I'd like to use MyPal instead of
    my old FFx because it's faster and and shows shaper vids

    Also, does anyone know of a proggie similar to AdBlock Plus which
    works with my version of MyPal?


    The adverts are not really adverts. They're an irritant, to
    make you pay a monthly fee for a subscription.

    https://www.youtube.com/premium

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to luke@invalid.com on Sat Jul 9 22:54:53 2022
    On 7/9/2022 6:34 PM, luke@invalid.com wrote:
    I'm using Firefox 52.9.0 - 32 bit (non ESR) and MyPal 29.1.1 with XP
    Pro.

    I use FFx to watch and download YouTube vids because using my version
    of FFx does not show the ton of commercial ads which infests YouTube
    when using MyPal or other newer browsers.

    How in the heck does anyone with UpToDate browsers watch YouTube at
    all with all those ads?

    Does anyone know of an add-on for my version of MyPal which would
    allow watching YouTube without ads? I'd like to use MyPal instead of
    my old FFx because it's faster and and shows shaper vids

    Also, does anyone know of a proggie similar to AdBlock Plus which
    works with my version of MyPal?


    There is a business model to this. If the adverts (irritants) are
    bad enough, you will want to fork over cash for the ad-free version.

    https://www.youtube.com/premium

    *******

    This downloads a video, ad-free.

    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/README.md

    yt-dlp.exe Windows (Win7 SP1+) standalone x64 binary (recommended for Windows)

    It is available for other platforms as well. Just not WinXP.

    The program needs frequent updates, to keep the profiles and
    methods up-to-date.

    Paul

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  • From harry@nowhere.net@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jul 10 01:06:22 2022
    On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 22:54:53 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 7/9/2022 6:34 PM, luke@invalid.com wrote:
    I'm using Firefox 52.9.0 - 32 bit (non ESR) and MyPal 29.1.1 with XP
    Pro.

    I use FFx to watch and download YouTube vids because using my version
    of FFx does not show the ton of commercial ads which infests YouTube
    when using MyPal or other newer browsers.

    How in the heck does anyone with UpToDate browsers watch YouTube at
    all with all those ads?

    Does anyone know of an add-on for my version of MyPal which would
    allow watching YouTube without ads? I'd like to use MyPal instead of
    my old FFx because it's faster and and shows shaper vids

    Also, does anyone know of a proggie similar to AdBlock Plus which
    works with my version of MyPal?


    There is a business model to this. If the adverts (irritants) are
    bad enough, you will want to fork over cash for the ad-free version.

    https://www.youtube.com/premium


    Forget it. I'll keep using my ancient FFx to watch Youtube - ad free.

    I use 3d-yd for downloading - with no ads.

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  • From grinch@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jul 15 06:17:19 2022
    On 10/07/2022 3:54, Paul wrote:

    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/README.md

    yt-dlp.exe Windows (Win7 SP1+) standalone x64 binary (recommended for Windows)

    How does that yt-dlp.exe compare to the youtube-dl.exe most of us have been using to download (and convert, and rip) the Youtube video streams?

    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.06.29 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/download/2022.06.29/yt-dlp.exe

    VERSUS

    https://youtube-dl.org/
    https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/
    https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/
    https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe

    By the way, there is some interesting DMCA information here. https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

    Does that mean only the OLDER youtube-dl.exe files are the last known good versions?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to grinch on Fri Jul 15 11:26:32 2022
    On 7/15/2022 2:17 AM, grinch wrote:
    On 10/07/2022 3:54, Paul wrote:

    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/README.md

        yt-dlp.exe   Windows (Win7 SP1+) standalone x64 binary (recommended for Windows)

    How does that yt-dlp.exe compare to the youtube-dl.exe most of us have been using to download (and convert, and rip) the Youtube video streams?

    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.06.29 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/download/2022.06.29/yt-dlp.exe

    VERSUS

    https://youtube-dl.org/
    https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/ https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe

    By the way, there is some interesting DMCA information here. https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

    Does that mean only the OLDER youtube-dl.exe files are the last known good versions?

    A "release" would be a coherent package as controlled by the lead developer.

    youtube-dl 2021.12.17 Latest Dec 16, 2021 +340 releases

    If they don't make any more releases, then the "commits"
    are not instantiated in any practical way, as far as an
    end user is concerned.

    You can take the repository as it stands, and go work on
    it if you want.

    These things are source control systems, for managing
    software projects. As a consumer, I don't have to know
    any more than that. I don't know the github offerings,
    which are paid, which are free, why a github page
    doesn't need to have source on it, all that jazz.
    No idea what they're doing. Any more than I know
    what internal Twitter policy is. I don't drool over
    this stuff, just use the output like everyone else.

    If it says the release is 2021.12.17, then that is what
    it is. Any file changes after that date, may be pulled
    by some other project, a fork, The contents of the
    repository, may still have some value to the 700 contributors.
    I have no way to estimate what that value might be.

    This is a lot like asking what happened to TrueCrypt. Only
    the project developers know for sure and "they aint sayin".
    We know there were rubber hoses behind the scenes.

    Paul

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  • From grinch@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jul 15 17:26:14 2022
    On 15/07/2022 17:26, Paul wrote:

    This is a lot like asking what happened to TrueCrypt. Only
    the project developers know for sure and "they aint sayin".
    We know there were rubber hoses behind the scenes.

    I saw your other response in the windows 10 newsgroup and I checked and
    what you said about youtube-dl.exe not being updated seems to be true.

    Also yt-dlp.exe seems to be a combination of three different youtube-dl.exe efforts, so it probably (put that in quotes, as in "probably") is better. https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp#readme

    Digging a bit deeper it say yt-dlp "Merged with youtube-dl v2021.12.17+ commit/a03b977 and youtube-dlc v2020.11.11-3+ commit/f9401f2: You get all
    the features and patches of youtube-dlc in addition to the latest
    youtube-dl", so it seems to be a combination of TWO youtube downloaders.

    What I don't know is how much the DMCA notice affected the functionality.
    Does anyone know if they had to reduce functionality because of the DMCA?

    And, if they did, why would youtube-dl.exe be affected but not yt-dlp.exe? https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to grinch on Fri Jul 15 18:05:37 2022
    On 7/15/2022 1:26 PM, grinch wrote:
    On 15/07/2022 17:26, Paul wrote:

    This is a lot like asking what happened to TrueCrypt. Only
    the project developers know for sure and "they aint sayin".
    We know there were rubber hoses behind the scenes.

    I saw your other response in the windows 10 newsgroup and I checked and
    what you said about youtube-dl.exe not being updated seems to be true.

    Also yt-dlp.exe seems to be a combination of three different youtube-dl.exe efforts, so it probably (put that in quotes, as in "probably") is better. https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp#readme

    Digging a bit deeper it say yt-dlp "Merged with youtube-dl v2021.12.17+ commit/a03b977 and youtube-dlc v2020.11.11-3+ commit/f9401f2: You get all
    the features and patches of youtube-dlc in addition to the latest youtube-dl", so it seems to be a combination of TWO youtube downloaders.

    What I don't know is how much the DMCA notice affected the functionality. Does anyone know if they had to reduce functionality because of the DMCA?

    And, if they did, why would youtube-dl.exe be affected but not yt-dlp.exe? https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

    It was a takedown request of some sort.

    The forks are an opportunity to change it.

    Changing the original, the project is too complicated to gut,
    without making it a non-entity. You just stop working on it.
    If you wanted to make it "approved" materials, you just
    replace the source with a three line "HelloWorld.py".

    I think they could have continued to work on it, but you
    don't know what barratry was used on the side, against
    the principals of the project. I'm sure there would be
    letters from Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins, and Flonk promising
    to sue them in court. I don't think their opponents would
    necessarily stop at using DMCA takedown notice.

    Projects lose steam all the time, and that's what forking
    is for. New blood to pick up the slack. Some of these
    developers work damn hard on this stuff, and when an incident
    like this happens, they have an opportunity to reflect
    on whether it's worth it or not. Youtube-dl supports video
    download from 10,000 sites, and you don't keep the profiles
    on 10,000 sites current without a lot of submissions from
    outside contributors, and you still have to review all
    the proposed changes (to keep fake updates out of your tree).

    It's as hair-raising as keeping crap out of the Linux kernel.

    Paul

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  • From grinch@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Jul 16 05:45:09 2022
    On 15/07/2022 23:5, Paul wrote:

    And, if they did, why would youtube-dl.exe be affected but not yt-dlp.exe? >> https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

    It was a takedown request of some sort.

    I figured it out.
    I think.
    At least with respect to the DMCA notice.
    And with respect to what they objected to.
    And what youtube-dl.exe coders did.
    I think.

    Github seems to have taken youtube-dl.exe down, and then put it back after tests were removed that the DMCA complained about and then Github put the youtube-dl.exe pages back - but - to make it more confusing - as you
    surmised, the youtube-dl.exe authors appear to have stopped development at around that time point (I think).

    This is what GitHub said:
    "Today we reinstated youtube-dl, a popular project on GitHub, after we
    received additional information about the project that enabled us to
    reverse a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown. "

    They linked this as that "additional information" that Github received. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/github/dmca/master/2020/11/2020-11-16-RIAA-reversal-effletter.pdf

    That letter states, in part, the following explanation.

    First, youtube-dl does not infringe or encourage the infringement of any copyrighted works, and its references to copyrighted songs in its unit
    tests are a fair use. Nevertheless, youtube-dl's maintainers are replacing these references.

    Second, youtube-dl does not violate Section 1201 of the DMCA because it
    does not "circumvent" any technical protection measures on YouTube videos. Similarly, the "signature" or "rolling cipher" mechanism employed by
    YouTube does not prevent copying of videos.

    youtube-dl Unit Tests Referencing Commercial Music
    The RIAA's letter refers to a single file of youtube-dl's source code which references several copyrighted songs. This file contains series of
    automated tests that verify the functionality of youtube-dl for streaming various types of video. The youtube-dl source code does not, of course,
    contain copies of these songs or any others. And the presence of
    several copyrighted song links in a large series of such tests does not
    induce or encourage copyright infringement, for several reasons.

    We hope this will clear the way for GitHub to reactivate the repository.

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