• Any problems using 128 GB USB 2.0 stick with XP?

    From bb@gigglemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 16:15:40 2022
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?

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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Wed Mar 9 16:43:51 2022
    bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?

    What is your HDD's largest partition size?

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  • From bb@gigglemail.com@21:1/5 to Paul@Houston.Texas on Wed Mar 9 17:33:13 2022
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:43:51 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?

    What is your HDD's largest partition size?

    C: Properties
    ---------------------
    Capacity: 465 GB
    Used Space: 16.8 GB
    Free Space: 448 GB

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Wed Mar 9 18:59:04 2022
    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

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  • From bb@gigglemail.com@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Wed Mar 9 19:05:25 2022
    On Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:23:52 -0600, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a >temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    I think I might have found the answer here -

    https://www.diskpart.com/articles/copy-4gb-or-larger-file-to-usb-0708.html

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  • From bb@gigglemail.com@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Mar 9 18:23:52 2022
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a
    temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Wed Mar 9 20:38:49 2022
    On 3/9/2022 7:23 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    "Paul In Houston" and "Paul" are two different people.
    I'm the guy who is not in Houston.

    I'm not aware of a mechanism, where the size of the USB
    stick is constrained by the size of the C: partition
    or the hard drive C: is on.

    You are free to use your USB flash stick 128GB as you please.

    *******

    "Paul In Houston" may be thinking of a case, where you have
    a USB enclosure (box that holds a hard drive) and you place
    a hard drive inside it, and there might be rules for that.

    WinXP does not support GPT partitioning, and MBR partitioning
    uses 32-bit numbers for some of the fields and that causes a
    relatively large limit of 2.2TB when trying to describe such things.

    There are two ways a person can lay down a partition.

    Normally, the MBR comes first, and the first partition
    starts at a certain offset from the beginning. That's
    the "normal" way to do it.

    +-----+----------+--------------------+
    | MBR | "track0" | D: MyDataPartition |
    +-----+----------+--------------------+

    But you can also start a single partition right at the
    very beginning of the USB flash stick. The first sector in such
    a case, has "NTFS" text string in it and the partition
    just occupies the entire device. There might not be
    a size limit (for data purposes) if it is done that
    way, but then again, you can't put a boot OS on it
    that way. The first sector will also end in 0xAA55 in
    the same way that an MBR would end when initialized
    properly.

    +-------------------------------------+
    | D: MyDataPartition |
    +-------------------------------------+

    By avoiding the usage of the MBR, think of the magical
    things that are possible :-)

    *******

    If you needed to simulate this, I have seen some new
    capabilities added to virtual machines, which can be
    used for "try before you buy" on USB sticks. But at the
    moment, this would be bar bet material, in terms of
    getting it set up. It's not all that practical.

    Microsoft has some free virtual machines (a container
    with an OS inside it), and that saves the frustration of
    dealing with the WinXP SP3 CD when installing WinXP into
    a VM. Even though the copy of the free VM has been removed
    from the microsoft web page, you can still get it :-) But
    again, a PITA, as the site allowing the download of it, runs
    at 300KB/sec (sloooow).

    "Much fun can be had... for just pennies a day".

    You can see I am easily amused.

    Paul

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  • From bb@gigglemail.com@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Mar 9 19:50:41 2022
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:38:49 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 7:23 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a
    temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    "Paul In Houston" and "Paul" are two different people.
    I'm the guy who is not in Houston.

    I'm not aware of a mechanism, where the size of the USB
    stick is constrained by the size of the C: partition
    or the hard drive C: is on.

    You are free to use your USB flash stick 128GB as you please.

    *******

    "Paul In Houston" may be thinking of a case, where you have
    a USB enclosure (box that holds a hard drive) and you place
    a hard drive inside it, and there might be rules for that.

    WinXP does not support GPT partitioning, and MBR partitioning
    uses 32-bit numbers for some of the fields and that causes a
    relatively large limit of 2.2TB when trying to describe such things.

    There are two ways a person can lay down a partition.

    Normally, the MBR comes first, and the first partition
    starts at a certain offset from the beginning. That's
    the "normal" way to do it.

    +-----+----------+--------------------+
    | MBR | "track0" | D: MyDataPartition |
    +-----+----------+--------------------+

    But you can also start a single partition right at the
    very beginning of the USB flash stick. The first sector in such
    a case, has "NTFS" text string in it and the partition
    just occupies the entire device. There might not be
    a size limit (for data purposes) if it is done that
    way, but then again, you can't put a boot OS on it
    that way. The first sector will also end in 0xAA55 in
    the same way that an MBR would end when initialized
    properly.

    +-------------------------------------+
    | D: MyDataPartition |
    +-------------------------------------+

    By avoiding the usage of the MBR, think of the magical
    things that are possible :-)

    *******

    If you needed to simulate this, I have seen some new
    capabilities added to virtual machines, which can be
    used for "try before you buy" on USB sticks. But at the
    moment, this would be bar bet material, in terms of
    getting it set up. It's not all that practical.

    Microsoft has some free virtual machines (a container
    with an OS inside it), and that saves the frustration of
    dealing with the WinXP SP3 CD when installing WinXP into
    a VM. Even though the copy of the free VM has been removed
    from the microsoft web page, you can still get it :-) But
    again, a PITA, as the site allowing the download of it, runs
    at 300KB/sec (sloooow).

    "Much fun can be had... for just pennies a day".

    You can see I am easily amused.

    Paul

    Tnx for the answer but that amount of know-how is beyond me.

    I am going to buy one of those 64 or 128 GB sticks and screw around
    with it, seeing what I can come up with. The price is low enuf.

    Tnx to all again.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Wed Mar 9 19:30:55 2022
    bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:23:52 -0600, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a >temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    I think I might have found the answer here -

    https://www.diskpart.com/articles/copy-4gb-or-larger-file-to-usb-0708.html

    I can't remember if Windows XP SP3 can do exFAT if you want more
    compatibilty instead of NTFS.

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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Mar 9 23:33:13 2022
    Paul wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 7:23 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my
    TV via Rocku.  I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB
    size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

        Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a
    temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    "Paul In Houston" and "Paul" are two different people.
    I'm the guy who is not in Houston.

    I'm not aware of a mechanism, where the size of the USB
    stick is constrained by the size of the C: partition
    or the hard drive C: is on.

    You are free to use your USB flash stick 128GB as you please.

    *******

    "Paul In Houston" may be thinking of a case, where you have
    a USB enclosure (box that holds a hard drive) and you place
    a hard drive inside it, and there might be rules for that.

    WinXP does not support GPT partitioning, and MBR partitioning
    uses 32-bit numbers for some of the fields and that causes a
    relatively large limit of 2.2TB when trying to describe such things.

    There are two ways a person can lay down a partition.

    Normally, the MBR comes first, and the first partition
    starts at a certain offset from the beginning. That's
    the "normal" way to do it.

      +-----+----------+--------------------+
      | MBR | "track0" | D: MyDataPartition |
      +-----+----------+--------------------+

    But you can also start a single partition right at the
    very beginning of the USB flash stick. The first sector in such
    a case, has "NTFS" text string in it and the partition
    just occupies the entire device. There might not be
    a size limit (for data purposes) if it is done that
    way, but then again, you can't put a boot OS on it
    that way. The first sector will also end in 0xAA55 in
    the same way that an MBR would end when initialized
    properly.

      +-------------------------------------+
      |          D: MyDataPartition         |
      +-------------------------------------+

    By avoiding the usage of the MBR, think of the magical
    things that are possible :-)

    *******

    If you needed to simulate this, I have seen some new
    capabilities added to virtual machines, which can be
    used for "try before you buy" on USB sticks. But at the
    moment, this would be bar bet material, in terms of
    getting it set up. It's not all that practical.

    Microsoft has some free virtual machines (a container
    with an OS inside it), and that saves the frustration of
    dealing with the WinXP SP3 CD when installing WinXP into
    a VM. Even though the copy of the free VM has been removed
    from the microsoft web page, you can still get it :-) But
    again, a PITA, as the site allowing the download of it, runs
    at 300KB/sec (sloooow).

    "Much fun can be had... for just pennies a day".

    You can see I am easily amused.

       Paul

    I was curious what hdd format (FAT32, NTFS, exfat, etc.) he is using and
    did not know his comp knowledge but figured that he would know partition
    size.

    Can XP format a usb stick with FAT32 to 64 GB or 128 GB in one partition?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Mar 10 04:32:25 2022
    On 3/9/2022 8:30 PM, Ant wrote:
    bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:23:52 -0600, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my >>>>> TV via Rocku. I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB >>>>> size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

    Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a
    temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    I think I might have found the answer here -

    https://www.diskpart.com/articles/copy-4gb-or-larger-file-to-usb-0708.html

    I can't remember if Windows XP SP3 can do exFAT if you want more
    compatibilty instead of NTFS.


    It can, but it takes a separate download from Microsoft.com to do it.

    I think it might be an example of an IFS (Installable File System),
    which allows adding file systems after the OS design is finished.
    That's just a guess on my part.

    As for the 4GB limit, of course you don't use FAT32. No manufacturer
    should be shipping a stick with FAT32 as the default file system on it.
    Disk Management should show how the stick has shipped.

    It should be "willing" to format a 128GB stick to NTFS.

    The stick should really be prepared on Win7, to get the
    partition aligned to 1MB. WinXP is a poor place to be applying
    the initial MSDOS "MBR" partition table, because of the weird offset
    used for the first partition.

    You could also use Linux for this.

    If WinXP discovers the 1MB alignment, it should not complain. It is
    utilities like PowerQuest Partition Magic that complain.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Paul in Houston TX on Thu Mar 10 04:38:25 2022
    On 3/10/2022 12:33 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 7:23 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:59:04 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 5:15 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:
    I have some very large videos - MP4s - that I wish to play through my >>>>> TV via Rocku.  I'm wondering whether to get 64 GB ones or the 128 GB >>>>> size.

    Are there any problems with USBs that size with XP?


    My 128GB USB stick is 128,980,615,680 bytes.

    That is short of any limit that I know of.

    That should work fine.

        Paul

    Does the free space of C: matter because the System needs to create a
    temporary file in order to save to the USB stick?

    Is that why you asked the question you did?

    By the way, Tnx for answering.

    "Paul In Houston" and "Paul" are two different people.
    I'm the guy who is not in Houston.

    I'm not aware of a mechanism, where the size of the USB
    stick is constrained by the size of the C: partition
    or the hard drive C: is on.

    You are free to use your USB flash stick 128GB as you please.

    *******

    "Paul In Houston" may be thinking of a case, where you have
    a USB enclosure (box that holds a hard drive) and you place
    a hard drive inside it, and there might be rules for that.

    WinXP does not support GPT partitioning, and MBR partitioning
    uses 32-bit numbers for some of the fields and that causes a
    relatively large limit of 2.2TB when trying to describe such things.

    There are two ways a person can lay down a partition.

    Normally, the MBR comes first, and the first partition
    starts at a certain offset from the beginning. That's
    the "normal" way to do it.

       +-----+----------+--------------------+
       | MBR | "track0" | D: MyDataPartition |
       +-----+----------+--------------------+

    But you can also start a single partition right at the
    very beginning of the USB flash stick. The first sector in such
    a case, has "NTFS" text string in it and the partition
    just occupies the entire device. There might not be
    a size limit (for data purposes) if it is done that
    way, but then again, you can't put a boot OS on it
    that way. The first sector will also end in 0xAA55 in
    the same way that an MBR would end when initialized
    properly.

       +-------------------------------------+
       |          D: MyDataPartition         |
       +-------------------------------------+

    By avoiding the usage of the MBR, think of the magical
    things that are possible :-)

    *******

    If you needed to simulate this, I have seen some new
    capabilities added to virtual machines, which can be
    used for "try before you buy" on USB sticks. But at the
    moment, this would be bar bet material, in terms of
    getting it set up. It's not all that practical.

    Microsoft has some free virtual machines (a container
    with an OS inside it), and that saves the frustration of
    dealing with the WinXP SP3 CD when installing WinXP into
    a VM. Even though the copy of the free VM has been removed
    from the microsoft web page, you can still get it :-) But
    again, a PITA, as the site allowing the download of it, runs
    at 300KB/sec (sloooow).

    "Much fun can be had... for just pennies a day".

    You can see I am easily amused.

        Paul

    I was curious what hdd format (FAT32, NTFS, exfat, etc.) he is using and did not know his comp knowledge but figured that he would know partition size.

    Can XP format a usb stick with FAT32 to 64 GB or 128 GB in one partition?

    That requires the Ridgecrop fat32formatter program.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200424145132/http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200410224838if_/http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/download/fat32format.zip

    It handles the stuff that Microsoft would not, namely
    everything from 32GB to 2.2TB . And, it picks a cluster
    size for each.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bb@gigglemail.com on Thu Mar 10 04:52:05 2022
    On 3/9/2022 8:50 PM, bb@gigglemail.com wrote:

    Tnx for the answer but that amount of know-how is beyond me.

    I am going to buy one of those 64 or 128 GB sticks and screw around
    with it, seeing what I can come up with. The price is low enuf.

    Tnx to all again.

    I tried testing above 2TB in a VM, and the results were horrible.

    Just stick with your 128GB stick and you'll be fine.
    Pick NTFS format for it, as that's a good compromise (compatible
    with a few things). While ExFAT might have some benefit, it might
    not work with third-party devices like it should. I don't use ExFAT
    here, just because it wouldn't work in all my kit. And FAT32 has
    the 4GB file-size limitation, not a good choice for your "big MP4"
    files particularly.

    If the stick had no file system on it (unusual), then you would
    prefer to prepare the stick on Win7 or later. This gives 1MB alignment
    of partitions, which causes slightly fewer writes (more efficient)
    than the WinXP alignment. If you find a file system already on the
    stick, the company will have already done this for you (1MB alignment).

    Some parts of WinXP can "see" exceedingly large devices,
    other parts of the software cannot. This makes it as
    aggravating as heck. Acronis Capacity Manager and some
    seagate tool, can help Windows XP deal with >2TB devices,
    but again, I stopped using the Acronis thing because it
    was getting on my nerves.

    I tried preparing a raw NTFS partition on an 8TB virtual
    device, and really, no part of WinXP was remotely interested
    in the thing I made in Linux. I thought that was supposed
    to bypass some of these issues -- the problem is, WMIC claims
    all my devices are 2TB and will not allow their true size to be
    supported. And that's what is trashing some part of my experiment.
    We were told years ago that "Oh, USB can go to the moon and
    back, you'll see". But WinXP says the devices are 2TB in size,
    even when they're a lot larger than that.

    It's also possible that the VirtualBox I was using had a few
    bugs in it. 6.1.32 release.

    I can't test on real WinXP any more, because my motherboard
    blew out. The old machine is now gone and buried.

    Paul

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