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On 11 Nov 2021, at 18:44, Patrick McLean <chutzpah@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 09:55:48 -0800
Patrick McLean <chutzpah@gentoo.org <mailto:chutzpah@gentoo.org>> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 17:05:45 +0100
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
I'd like to add some dates regarding 3.8 removal and 3.10 switch to
the implementation timeline [1].
Unless I'm mistaken, CPython is following a yearly release cycle these
days. I think it would make sense to also aim for a yearly cycle
in Gentoo, i.e. roughly switch to the next minor version every year.
Hence my proposal would be to:
a. ASAP: send "please port your packages to py3.9" mail
b. 2022-06-01: remove py3.8 target
Could we please push this back, I would prefer some time in 2023 if
possible.
To clarify, I am just asking for it to be pushed back to the start of
2023, not June 2023. 2023-01-01 would be fine.
I think this is fair but if you do need something for work, please say that
so we don't need to guess / think it might be for your personal capacity.
I also think it's probably worthwhile to offer upfront help if needed if you can, especially if it is for that purpose.
That said, I agree!
I think we need to push it back a little bit to ease upgrades (see
the recent thread) but also to help downstreams like Flatcar OS
which are still migrating away from Python 3.8.
I don't mind chipping in to help.
[There is a separate issue with stabilising the Python 3.10
interpreter. I'd like this done as soon as it's ready (and it works
fine here), but there's a problem with circular dependencies
and python-any-r1 dragging it in on upgrades and causing issues with libxcrypt.]
Best,
sam
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 11 Nov 2021, at 18:44, Patrick McLean <<a href="mailto:
chutzpah@gentoo.org" class="">
chutzpah@gentoo.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><span style="
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chutzpah@gentoo.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
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chutzpah@gentoo.org</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
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blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 17:05:45 +0100<br class="">Michał Górny <<a href="mailto:
mgorny@gentoo.org" class="">mgorny@
gentoo.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I'd like to add some dates regarding 3.8 removal and 3.10 switch to<br class="">the implementation timeline [1].<br class=""><br class="">Unless I'm mistaken, CPython is following a
yearly release cycle these<br class="">days. I think it would make sense to also aim for a yearly cycle<br class="">in Gentoo, i.e. roughly switch to the next minor version every year.<br class=""><br class="">Hence my proposal would be to:<br
class=""><br class="">a. ASAP: send "please port your packages to py3.9" mail<br class=""><br class="">b. 2022-06-01: remove py3.8 target <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Could we please push this back, I would prefer some time in 2023 if<br
class="">possible.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">To clarify, I am just asking for it to be pushed back to the start of</span><br style="
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing:
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">2023, not June 2023. 2023-01-01 would be fine.</span><br
class=""></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think this is fair but if you do need something for work, please say that<br class="">so we don't need to guess / think it might be for your personal capacity.<br class="">
<br class="">I also think it's probably worthwhile to offer upfront help if needed if you<br class="">can, especially if it is for that purpose.<br class=""><br class="">That said, I agree!<br class=""><br class="">I think we need to push it back a
little bit to ease upgrades (see<br class="">the recent thread) but also to help downstreams like Flatcar OS<br class="">which are still migrating away from Python 3.8.<br class=""><br class="">I don't mind chipping in to help.<br class=""><br class="">[
There is a separate issue with stabilising the Python 3.10<br class="">interpreter. I'd like this done as soon as it's ready (and it works<br class="">fine here), but there's a problem with circular dependencies<br class="">and python-any-r1 dragging it
in on upgrades and causing issues with libxcrypt.]<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">sam</div></body></html>
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