Hi,

Another idea for a new category: dev-build. Proposed description:

Build systems and related tools.

Some candidates (there are more):

dev-util/bazel
dev-util/cmake
dev-util/cmake-fedora
dev-util/gn
dev-util/gtk-doc-am
dev-util/gyp
dev-util/meson
dev-util/muon
dev-util/netsurf-buildsystem
dev-util/ninja
dev-util/samurai
dev-util/tup
sys-devel/autoconf*
sys-devel/automake*
sys-devel/bmake
sys-devel/cons
sys-devel/gettext (not 100% sure about it)
sys-devel/libtool
sys-devel/make
sys-devel/pmake
sys-devel/qconf
sys-devel/slibtool

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Best regards,
Michał Górny


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[2024-01-07 15:46:23+0100] Michał Górny:

Hi,

Another idea for a new category: dev-build. Proposed description:

Build systems and related tools.

Some candidates (there are more):

[snip]

sys-devel/gettext (not 100% sure about it)

I think that's the only one I wouldn't include as gettext seems to fit pretty well in sys-devel/ as it's main purpose is to manipulate .po/pot files and compile them in .mo files.
(gettext(3) et al being provided either by glibc/musl or by dev-libs/libintl)

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Hi!

Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> writes:

Hi,

Another idea for a new category: dev-build. Proposed description:

Build systems and related tools.

Some candidates (there are more):

dev-util/bazel
dev-util/cmake
dev-util/cmake-fedora
dev-util/gn
dev-util/gtk-doc-am
dev-util/gyp
dev-util/meson
dev-util/muon
dev-util/netsurf-buildsystem
dev-util/ninja
dev-util/samurai
dev-util/tup
sys-devel/autoconf*
sys-devel/automake*
sys-devel/bmake
sys-devel/cons
sys-devel/gettext (not 100% sure about it)

That's a bit of a toss-up, but I think I lean more towards the side of
sys-libs or so (since, while it indeed provides build-time tools, it is
not really a build system component, and it provides a few other libs).

sys-devel/libtool
sys-devel/make
sys-devel/pmake
sys-devel/qconf
sys-devel/slibtool

I like the idea.

Have a lovely day!
--
Arsen Arsenović

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On Sun, 2024-01-07 at 09:50 -0500, Yuan Liao (Leo3418) wrote:

On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 03:46:23PM +0100, Michał Górny wrote:

Hi,

Another idea for a new category: dev-build. Proposed description:

Build systems and related tools.

Have you considered the name 'dev-buildsys'? More straightforward in my opinion, with the cost of a longer length.

I have but I don't like the idea of half-shortcuts. Also, we are really including some "building" tools like make that aren't really "systems".

--
Best regards,
Michał Górny


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On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 17:20:25 +0100
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

On Sun, 2024-01-07 at 09:50 -0500, Yuan Liao (Leo3418) wrote:

On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 03:46:23PM +0100, Michał Górny wrote:

Hi,

Another idea for a new category: dev-build. Proposed description:

Build systems and related tools.

Have you considered the name 'dev-buildsys'? More straightforward
in my opinion, with the cost of a longer length.

I have but I don't like the idea of half-shortcuts. Also, we are
really including some "building" tools like make that aren't really "systems".

I suggest that ninja, samurai, bmake, pmake and make are all in the
same category. Currently the first two are in dev-util while the rest
are in sys-devel while they are all build tools that fill a similar
need.

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On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 17:32 -0600, Gordon Pettey wrote:

There are at least a few generally language-specific build
tools/systems that can, if you're into masochism, be used to build
other languages (Gradle, Maven, etc.), and tools like Ant, which while primarily used in Java projects is really just a Makefile with
different syntax and core functions in XML. Does making a new category
for explicitly general-purpose tools like Make and friends ambiguate
where the language-specific tools belong? Should other
non-Make-related packages be moved from their current dev-[language] locations?

Does dev-util/gyp really belong there, or since it is node-specific,
should there be a dev-js category?

In all of my RFCs, I've tried to keep moving stuff out of dev-
<language>/* altogether. In general, I'd leave it to the maintainers to
decide where a package fits best.

--
Best regards,
Michał Górny


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