On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote: <snip>

* A draft upgrade document exists.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions

I can't edit the draft so just to mention here, there's references
made to an update table at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_table
however in the text the cited source is tagged as [4] but it should be
[3]

Ninpo

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Am Sonntag, 26. November 2023, 17:50:22 CET schrieb Alex Boag-Munroe:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
<snip>

* A draft upgrade document exists.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions

I can't edit the draft so just to mention here, there's references
made to an update table at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_table
however in the text the cited source is tagged as [4] but it should be

...

Thank you, fixed! -a


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Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)
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25.11.2023 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel пишет:

Hi all,

here's a brief update on the upcoming 23.0 profiles.

* All planned features are implemented (but not necessarily tested).
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_profile_transition

* A draft upgrade document exists.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions

Unless something important comes up over the next 7 days (and I mean you, worthy mailing list readers :), I consider the feature set now frozen.

Which means, in a week we can start testing this in earnest. The
next step will be to create "exp" profile entries, migrate seeds, and
start up stage builds on all arches (in parallel to the existing builds
and for now not linked on the webpages yet).

Cheers,
Andreas

1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma. But that name looks
like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to
be specifically mentioned in the profile name. Therefore I probably
should migrate to merged-usr. But the only instruction how to do that
assumes systemd. And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
without systemd anyway... except that there is: default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the
table.

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1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
in the final news item.

2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma.

Correct.

But that name looks
like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to
be specifically mentioned in the profile name.

I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...

It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already the
case now...)

Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr.

You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
No hurry.

But the only instruction how to do that
assumes systemd.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr

Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.

And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
without systemd anyway... except that there is: default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the table.

It's fairly simple:
* In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile
* In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile

Cheers -a


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Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
University of Regensburg
93040 Regensburg
Germany

tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile)
tel. +49 941 943 1618 (office)
e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de
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On 2023-11-30 12:27, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:

1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
in the final news item.

2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd
default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be
default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma.

Correct.

But that name looks
like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has
to
be specifically mentioned in the profile name.

I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...

It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already
the
case now...)

Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr.

You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
No hurry.

But the only instruction how to do that
assumes systemd.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr

Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.

And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
without systemd anyway... except that there is:
default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in
the
table.

It's fairly simple:
* In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding
merged-usr profile
* In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr
profile

Cheers -a

--
PD Dr. Andreas K. Huettel
Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
University of Regensburg
93040 Regensburg
Germany

tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile)
tel. +49 941 943 1618 (office)
e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de
https://www.akhuettel.de/
https://www.akhuettel.de/group/

Wait, does this mean that split-usr will be gone soon?

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Wait, does this mean that split-usr will be gone soon?

Define soon.

It took us 6 years to come up with new profiles.
Guess how long the next ones will take.

--
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)

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30.11.2023 12:27, Andreas K. Huettel пишет:

1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
in the final news item.

2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd
default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be
default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma.

Correct.

But that name looks
like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to
be specifically mentioned in the profile name.

I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...

It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already the case now...)

Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr.

You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
No hurry.

But the only instruction how to do that
assumes systemd.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr

Thanks, I was only following links in the news item.

Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.

It kinda does. Because there's no non-systemd merged-usr plasma profile
in 17. Only in 23. So, I cannot migrate to merged-usr before switch to 23.

Perhaps mention in the news item (or in the profiles table) that "after migrating to 23 profile you gain an option to migrate to merged-usr if
you wish"?

And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
without systemd anyway... except that there is:
default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the
table.

It's fairly simple:
* In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile
* In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile

Cheers -a

--
PD Dr. Andreas K. Huettel
Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
University of Regensburg
93040 Regensburg
Germany

tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile)
tel. +49 941 943 1618 (office)
e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de
https://www.akhuettel.de/
https://www.akhuettel.de/group/

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