Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it; there's
no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop profiles.

In particular, Steam expects it for plenty of games to work, but at this point, it's becoming jarring for users to _not_ have it as it's considered a fundamental part
of the modern desktop.

Signed-off-by: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
---
profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults | 4 ++--
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
index 46a8c5d3911e8..caccdbdd22a3e 100644
--- a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
+++ b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-# Copyright 1999-2022 Gentoo Authors
+# Copyright 1999-2023 Gentoo Authors
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2

-USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr elogind encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg lcms libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit ppds qt5 sdl sound spell startup-notification
svg tiff truetype vorbis udev udisks unicode upower usb wxwidgets X xcb xft x264 xml xv xvid"
+USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr elogind encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg lcms libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg og

On Sun, 2023-05-21 at 22:48 +0100, Sam James wrote:

Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it;
there's
no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop profiles.

In particular, Steam expects it for plenty of games to work, but at
this point,
it's becoming jarring for users to _not_ have it as it's considered a fundamental part
of the modern desktop.

Signed-off-by: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
---
 profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
index 46a8c5d3911e8..caccdbdd22a3e 100644
--- a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
+++ b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-# Copyright 1999-2022 Gentoo Authors
+# Copyright 1999-2023 Gentoo Authors
 # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
 
-USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus
dri dts dvd dvdr elogind encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg
lcms libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit
ppds qt5 sdl sound spell startup-notification svg tiff truetype vorbis
udev udisks unicode upower usb wxwidgets X xcb xft x264 xml xv xvid" +USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus
dri dts dvd dvdr elogind encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg
lcms libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit
ppds qt5 sdl sound spell startup-notification svg tiff truetype vorbis
udev udisks unicode upower usb vulkan wxwidgets X xcb xft x264 xml xv
xvid"

Agreed, vulkan is absolutely needed on a modern desktop.

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On Sun, 21 May 2023, Sam James wrote:

Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it;
there's no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop
profiles.

That's a non-sequitur. No reason to not have it on doesn't imply that
there is a reason to have it on.

Also, shouldn't we avoid enabling local flags in profiles?

In particular, Steam expects it for plenty of games to work,

That's what USE dependencies are for.

Ulrich

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On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:13:59AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:

On Sun, 21 May 2023, Sam James wrote:

Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it;
there's no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop
profiles.

That's a non-sequitur. No reason to not have it on doesn't imply that
there is a reason to have it on.

Also, shouldn't we avoid enabling local flags in profiles?

I keep forgetting that this is still not global either, guess it'll
ideally need another step first.

In particular, Steam expects it for plenty of games to work,

That's what USE dependencies are for.

For often-used USE, that doesn't mean that every users should have to
enable it manually when they try to emerge the package. It would
notably be annoying if, e.g. opengl wasn't default either (if opengl
can be a default, I don't see why vulkan can't be in 2023).

I see this as a sane desktop default much like having png, jpeg, etc..
enabled.

Steam, games, and similar applications also come from several sources
not necessarily managed by portage all while expecting typical GPU
features (and png/jpeg support!) to work without having to dig in
USE flags on a desktop profile more than necessary. It's a better out-of-the-box user experience.

Vulkan dependencies are also fairly trivial, typically it's just about
pulling vulkan-loader, headers, and glslang plus having support on mesa
or nvidia-drivers (always enabled regardless for the latter).
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Copy: ulm@gentoo.org (Ulrich Mueller)

On Montag, 22. Mai 2023 12:36:22 CEST Ulrich Mueller wrote:

app-office/libreoffice:vulkan - Enable Vulkan usage via the skia library (clang recommended)

Should it be renamed to "skia" for libreoffice, because that's also the
name of the upstream flag? libreoffice will also output a warning with USE="vulkan -clang".

That would not be accurate. The (bundled) skia is always being built, it is just the component using vulkan. That detail does not need to be part of the description though, so a global would fit.

Regards,
Andreas
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On Mon, 22 May 2023, Ionen Wolkens wrote:

That's a non-sequitur. No reason to not have it on doesn't imply that
there is a reason to have it on.

Also, shouldn't we avoid enabling local flags in profiles?

I keep forgetting that this is still not global either, guess it'll
ideally need another step first.

I see vulkan 31 times in use.local.desc, with slightly different
descriptions. Most notable difference:

app-office/libreoffice:vulkan - Enable Vulkan usage via the skia library (clang recommended)

Should it be renamed to "skia" for libreoffice, because that's also the
name of the upstream flag? libreoffice will also output a warning with USE="vulkan -clang".

For often-used USE, that doesn't mean that every users should have to
enable it manually when they try to emerge the package. It would
notably be annoying if, e.g. opengl wasn't default either (if opengl
can be a default, I don't see why vulkan can't be in 2023).

I see this as a sane desktop default much like having png, jpeg, etc.. enabled.

Right, this is a valid reason for enabling it.

Steam, games, and similar applications also come from several sources
not necessarily managed by portage all while expecting typical GPU
features (and png/jpeg support!) to work without having to dig in
USE flags on a desktop profile more than necessary. It's a better out-of-the-box user experience.

IMHO this isn't. It is at least debatable if unpackaged proprietary
software should have any influence on our default settings.

Ulrich

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On Mon, 22 May 2023, Andreas Sturmlechner wrote:

Should it be renamed to "skia" for libreoffice, because that's also the
name of the upstream flag? libreoffice will also output a warning with
USE="vulkan -clang".

That would not be accurate. The (bundled) skia is always being built,
it is just the component using vulkan. That detail does not need to be
part of the description though, so a global would fit.

Why is it "$(use_enable vulkan skia)" in econf arguments then?

configure --help says:

--disable-skia Disable building Skia. Use --enable-skia=debug to
build without optimizations.

Ulrich

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On Sun, 21 May 2023 22:48:50 +0100
Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it;
there's no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop
profiles.

Its not supported in nouveau yet.

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On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 05:54:05AM -0700, orbea wrote:

On Sun, 21 May 2023 22:48:50 +0100
Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

Ionen pointed this out again today and it made me look back at it;
there's no reason to not have vulkan on by default for desktop
profiles.

Its not supported in nouveau yet.

Older cards won't support it either (e.g. my 560ti doesn't), that's
not really a problem as far as enabling it and being usable for most
people goes. At most it's just a few not-useful dependencies by default
like having libwayland when you use Xorg.
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