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  • [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/1] Add 'notes' element to metadata.xml (GLEP 68)

    From Sam James@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 5 20:30:01 2021
    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

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    2.33.0

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?=@21:1/5 to Sam James on Tue Oct 5 21:20:01 2021
    On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 19:27 +0100, Sam James wrote:
    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)


    To be honest, I don't think adding it to metadata.xml is a good idea.
    This is not something that's going to be machine-parseable,
    and expecting people to look into metadata.xml to see if it's even
    present is a bit much.

    Maybe we could just add README files to the package directories
    in question. This would have the clear advantage that the files will be immediately visible.

    --
    Best regards,
    Michał Górny

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  • From Alec Warner@21:1/5 to sam@gentoo.org on Tue Oct 5 22:40:02 2021
    I thought we were going to go with the github-pages type route
    (markdown, rendered online or locally.)

    -A

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:28 AM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

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    2.33.0



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  • From Alessandro Barbieri@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 5 22:20:01 2021
    Maybe we could just add README files to the package directories
    in question. This would have the clear advantage that the files will be immediately visible.


    I'll personally prefer a readme.
    Also almost all metadata.xml features are underused



    <div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Maybe we could just add README files to the package directories<br>
    in question.  This would have the clear advantage that the files will be<br> immediately visible.<br></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I&#39;ll personally prefer a readme.</div><div dir="auto">Also almost all metadata.xml features are underused</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="
    gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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  • From Sam James@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 5 22:40:03 2021
    On 5 Oct 2021, at 21:29, Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:

    I thought we were going to go with the github-pages type route
    (markdown, rendered online or locally.)


    So, the thinking was, we could allow somewhat shorthand
    notes or for the people who want to invest more time, allow
    the GitHub-pages type route.

    But I'm open to the idea of just recommending people
    use that if there's no appetite for mixed types.

    -A

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:28 AM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

    --
    2.33.0





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  • From Alec Warner@21:1/5 to sam@gentoo.org on Tue Oct 5 23:30:01 2021
    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:36 PM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:



    On 5 Oct 2021, at 21:29, Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:

    I thought we were going to go with the github-pages type route
    (markdown, rendered online or locally.)


    So, the thinking was, we could allow somewhat shorthand
    notes or for the people who want to invest more time, allow
    the GitHub-pages type route.

    But I'm open to the idea of just recommending people
    use that if there's no appetite for mixed types.

    I'd argue we can add NOTES.md to packages (e.g. allow those files.)
    Then we modify packages.gentoo.org to render the markdown; or users
    can render locally or read unrendered.

    WDYT?

    -A


    -A

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:28 AM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

    --
    2.33.0





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  • From Joshua Kinard@21:1/5 to Alec Warner on Wed Oct 6 02:00:01 2021
    On 10/5/2021 16:29, Alec Warner wrote:
    I thought we were going to go with the github-pages type route
    (markdown, rendered online or locally.)

    -A

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:28 AM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    ^^^^

    Or perhaps we could use RST formatting like the GLEP source there to keep
    the plain text form readable, but also support visual rendering into HTML if needed?

    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

    --
    2.33.0



    --
    Joshua Kinard
    Gentoo/MIPS
    kumba@gentoo.org
    rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27
    177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943

    "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
    our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

    --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

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  • From Ulrich Mueller@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 07:40:01 2021
    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021, Alec Warner wrote:

    I'd argue we can add NOTES.md to packages (e.g. allow those files.)
    Then we modify packages.gentoo.org to render the markdown; or users
    can render locally or read unrendered.

    How would you deal with translations? One NOTES file for every language?

    Ulrich

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  • From Ulrich Mueller@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 07:30:01 2021
    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021, Michał Górny wrote:

    On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 19:27 +0100, Sam James wrote:
    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

    To be honest, I don't think adding it to metadata.xml is a good idea.
    This is not something that's going to be machine-parseable,
    and expecting people to look into metadata.xml to see if it's even
    present is a bit much.

    The same argument would apply to longdescription.

    Maybe we could just add README files to the package directories
    in question. This would have the clear advantage that the files will be immediately visible.

    Scattering a package's metadata across multiple files doesn't look like
    a good idea to me.

    Ulrich

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  • From Alec Warner@21:1/5 to ulm@gentoo.org on Wed Oct 6 08:30:01 2021
    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:37 PM Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021, Alec Warner wrote:

    I'd argue we can add NOTES.md to packages (e.g. allow those files.)
    Then we modify packages.gentoo.org to render the markdown; or users
    can render locally or read unrendered.

    How would you deal with translations? One NOTES file for every language?

    Ulrich

    The notes files are for devs, not for users. Do we have non-english
    speaking developers?

    -A

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  • From Ulrich Mueller@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 11:40:01 2021
    On Wed, 06 Oct 2021, Alec Warner wrote:

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:37 PM Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
    How would you deal with translations? One NOTES file for every language?

    The notes files are for devs, not for users. Do we have non-english
    speaking developers?

    Sure, this is a legitimate point. But it's an explicit design decision,
    not something that can be silently assumed.

    Ulrich

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  • From Matthew Marchese@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 09:10:01 2021
    On 10/5/21 12:09, Michał Górny wrote:
    On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 19:27 +0100, Sam James wrote:
    This is a preliminary version/draft of a proposed change to
    GLEP 68.

    I'd like to introduce a method for developers to signal anything
    special about a package and how to correctly maintain it.

    Sam James (1):
    glep-0068: Add notes element for package maintenance instructions

    glep-0068.rst | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++---
    1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

    To be honest, I don't think adding it to metadata.xml is a good idea.
    This is not something that's going to be machine-parseable,
    and expecting people to look into metadata.xml to see if it's even
    present is a bit much.

    Maybe we could just add README files to the package directories
    in question. This would have the clear advantage that the files will be immediately visible.

    Some of the devs use their username or project pages on the wiki for maintainers notes. That's a decent place to keep them since there is not
    an in-source place, but truly the closer the documentation can be kept
    to the source the better.

    I also like the idea of markdown files or RST files living in gentoo::.
    I personally find RST to be a bit more challenging to write, but it's
    simple enough to learn and we 'already have RST to HTML conversion on
    www.g.o for GLEPs. GitHub will render either file format in browser. Not
    sure about all the other Git* sites.

    Apparently the MD and RST formats are somewhat interchangeable if one
    does not go too crazy on formatting: https://gist.github.com/javiertejero/4585196

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  • From Ulrich Mueller@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 09:30:01 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021, Matthew Marchese wrote:

    I also like the idea of markdown files or RST files living in
    gentoo::. I personally find RST to be a bit more challenging to write,
    but it's simple enough to learn and we 'already have RST to HTML
    conversion on www.g.o for GLEPs. GitHub will render either file format
    in browser. Not sure about all the other Git* sites.

    Apparently the MD and RST formats are somewhat interchangeable if one
    does not go too crazy on formatting: https://gist.github.com/javiertejero/4585196

    To add to this, here are two excellent articles comparing the two
    formats:

    https://www.zverovich.net/2016/06/16/rst-vs-markdown.html https://eli.thegreenplace.net/2017/restructuredtext-vs-markdown-for-technical-d$

    Given that we already use RST elsewhere and that it is well supported by docutils (and our own docutils-glep), that's the format I'd personally
    prefer.

    Otherwise, the picture in the first article pretty much summarizes it.
    :)

    Ulrich

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  • From Ionen Wolkens@21:1/5 to Alec Warner on Fri Mar 4 01:40:01 2022
    On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 02:21:22PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
    I'd argue we can add NOTES.md to packages (e.g. allow those files.)
    Then we modify packages.gentoo.org to render the markdown; or users
    can render locally or read unrendered.

    WDYT?

    Given this topic came up again on IRC, late reply to say that some
    kind NOTES of file in the tree is my preference over metadata.xml
    at the moment.

    I don't feel strongly about being rendered somewhere though, a dev
    will see the file in the tree if they work on the package (partly
    because of that I'd also rather rst over md for bit better plain-text readability, but can work with either). Seeing the file is main reason
    I prefer this over metadata.xml, making it clear there's notes without
    needing any tools integration to parse metadata.xml and remind about.

    fwiw given these are entirely for devs they could even be skipped
    from sync mirrors so users don't get them and think it's something
    they need to read (+less files), but no strong opinion here.

    --
    ionen

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  • From Joonas Niilola@21:1/5 to Ionen Wolkens on Fri Mar 4 09:10:02 2022
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    On 4.3.2022 2.35, Ionen Wolkens wrote:
    On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 02:21:22PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
    I'd argue we can add NOTES.md to packages (e.g. allow those files.)
    Then we modify packages.gentoo.org to render the markdown; or users
    can render locally or read unrendered.

    WDYT?

    Given this topic came up again on IRC, late reply to say that some
    kind NOTES of file in the tree is my preference over metadata.xml
    at the moment.

    I don't feel strongly about being rendered somewhere though, a dev
    will see the file in the tree if they work on the package (partly
    because of that I'd also rather rst over md for bit better plain-text readability, but can work with either). Seeing the file is main reason
    I prefer this over metadata.xml, making it clear there's notes without needing any tools integration to parse metadata.xml and remind about.

    fwiw given these are entirely for devs they could even be skipped
    from sync mirrors so users don't get them and think it's something
    they need to read (+less files), but no strong opinion here.


    make.conf:
    FEATURES="bumpnotes"

    or make.conf:
    BUMPNOTES=y

    then .ebuild:
    BUMPNOTES=1

    or
    has_version sys-apps/portage[gentoo-dev]

    results in:
    "QA notice:
    This package has internal version bump notes. Please see..."

    and do those notes get saved to metadata.xml?

    Because I doubt people will get to the habit of checking metadata.xml
    manually for each bump. But we all test the packages we merge ":^)" and therefore would see this QA notice. Or ewarn.

    -- juippis

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