On 2021-11-08, Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:26 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet card for puter

Only problem was a screw-up over the router - the fibre was terminated at an RJ45 in my house, but apparently needed a dedicated wan port on the router - you can't plug it into a standard port - so I was without internet until they sorted out a new

router for me.

The *fibre* was terminated at an *RJ45*? Sounds like somebody
screwed up massively and said you had the wrong router so you
wouldn't think they were idiots. Either that or it wasn't actually
an RJ45 and you needed a router with a fibre port.

The fiber is undoubtedly terminated at an ONT which has an RJ45 jack
which then needs to be connected to what the ISP usually calls "A
Modem". That "modem" is generally a firewall/router and WAP.

The exact Ethernet protocols used on that RJ45 connection to the
"modem" varie. Some do PPPoE, some just need some sort of
authenticating DHCP client, so do other stuff.

--
Grant

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On Mon 08 Nov 2021 16:48:08 GMT, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2021-11-08, Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:26 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet card for puter

Only problem was a screw-up over the router - the fibre was
terminated at an RJ45 in my house, but apparently needed a dedicated
wan port on the router - you can't plug it into a standard port - so
I was without internet until they sorted out a new router for me.

The *fibre* was terminated at an *RJ45*? Sounds like somebody
screwed up massively and said you had the wrong router so you
wouldn't think they were idiots. Either that or it wasn't actually
an RJ45 and you needed a router with a fibre port.

The fiber is undoubtedly terminated at an ONT which has an RJ45 jack
which then needs to be connected to what the ISP usually calls "A
Modem". That "modem" is generally a firewall/router and WAP.

The exact Ethernet protocols used on that RJ45 connection to the
"modem" varie. Some do PPPoE, some just need some sort of
authenticating DHCP client, so do other stuff.

And if you want to plug the fiber directly to your router, you’ll have
to make it accept the GPON SFP, which isn’t always easy depending of the firmware of the NIC.

--
Alarig Le Lay

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On 08/11/2021 16:48, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2021-11-08, Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:26 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet card for puter

Only problem was a screw-up over the router - the fibre was terminated at an RJ45 in my house, but apparently needed a dedicated wan port on the router - you can't plug it into a standard port - so I was without internet until they sorted out a new

router for me.

The *fibre* was terminated at an *RJ45*? Sounds like somebody
screwed up massively and said you had the wrong router so you
wouldn't think they were idiots. Either that or it wasn't actually
an RJ45 and you needed a router with a fibre port.

The fiber is undoubtedly terminated at an ONT which has an RJ45 jack
which then needs to be connected to what the ISP usually calls "A
Modem". That "modem" is generally a firewall/router and WAP.

The exact Ethernet protocols used on that RJ45 connection to the
"modem" varie. Some do PPPoE, some just need some sort of
authenticating DHCP client, so do other stuff.

Eggsackerley

All I know is the guy who installed it put a box on the wall. He plugged
the fibre in his end, I plug an RJ45 in my end.

And I need a dedicated WAN port on the router as the other end of the
RJ45 cable.

Cheers,
Wol

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On 2021-11-08, Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:

The fiber is undoubtedly terminated at an ONT which has an RJ45 jack
which then needs to be connected to what the ISP usually calls "A
Modem". That "modem" is generally a firewall/router and WAP.

The exact Ethernet protocols used on that RJ45 connection to the
"modem" varie. Some do PPPoE, some just need some sort of
authenticating DHCP client, so do other stuff.

Yes, that would make far more sense. A bit disappointing though if
they couldn't just tell him the authentication protocol to use...

It's quite possible that the installer doesn't even know. It took
quite a bit of digging around the QWest web site to find out what's
required to "use your own modem" with the ONTs they install around
here for residential fiber service.

None of the usual documentation they provided even mentions the ONT or
the connection between the ONT and the "modem". I suspected it was
PPPoE, but I finally found one site that said to use your own modem,
it needed to support a specific DHCP extension for authentication.

I have tried to order the service a couple times in the past 6 months
when I was notified that it was available at my address. The first
time, I was just told it wasn't available at my address yet. It was
available across the street. It was available on my side of the street
a few doors in both directions. It wasn't available for me.

The next time I was notified it was available, I called the number in
the notification e-mail to try to find out the actual cost (including
taxes and fees). I was told that the only way to find that out was to
enter an actual order in the system — but the system refused to allow
an order to be entered for my address. After the QWest guy messed
around for a while, he told me that service for my address was handled
by a "special team". I would have to hang up and then call that team
directly at <some phone number>.

I haven't gotten around to making a third attempt...

--
Grant

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