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From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 20:30:01 2023

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain
files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

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From Mark Knecht@21:1/5 to waltdnes@waltdnes.org on Mon Apr 17 21:30:01 2023

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

HTH,
Mark

<div dir="ltr"><br><br>On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <<a href="mailto:waltdnes@waltdnes.org">waltdnes@waltdnes.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,<br>> I have
a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain<br>> files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...<br>><br>> 1) /etc/hosts (1)<br>> 2) /etc/inittab (1)<br>> 3) /etc/mtab (1)<br>> 4) /etc/conf.d/
consolefont (1)<br>> 5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)<br>> 6) /etc/default/grub (1)<br>> 7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)<br>><br>> ...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the<br>> true text console with a readable font,
etc, etc. I have my reasons<br>> for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.<br>><br><div>In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this </div><div>sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
</div><div>does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run</div><div>a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.</div><div><br></div><div>HTH,</div><div>Mark</div></div>

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From Anna@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Mon Apr 17 21:50:02 2023

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 02:26:40PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

Can I get etc-update to skip certain files?

I'm not sure about etc-update, but whenever an update triggers a config
file conflict, I just `dispatch-conf` to see the changes, and then
either merge, or 'zap new' (aka, delete the new version and use the old
one). This works pretty well to keep my changes to /etc.

Another thing that can help is keeping /etc under a vcs like git. You
can do that manually or using a helper tool like `etckeeper`, which
automates a lot of the git upkeeping for you.

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From Lee@21:1/5 to markknecht@gmail.com on Mon Apr 17 21:40:01 2023

Really, etc update has a facility for skipping whatever files you want.

Lee 😎

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 12:28 PM Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

HTH,
Mark

<div dir="auto">Really, etc update has a facility for skipping whatever files you want. <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Lee 😎</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 12:28 PM Mark
Knecht <<a href="mailto:markknecht@gmail.com">markknecht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><br>On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM
Walter Dnes <<a href="mailto:waltdnes@waltdnes.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">waltdnes@waltdnes.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,<br>> I have a somewhat minor
complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain<br>> files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...<br>><br>> 1) /etc/hosts (1)<br>> 2) /etc/inittab (1)<br>> 3) /etc/mtab (1)<br>> 4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)<br>>
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)<br>> 6) /etc/default/grub (1)<br>> 7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)<br>><br>> ...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the<br>> true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my
reasons<br>> for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.<br>><br><div>In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this </div><div>sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that </div><div>does a diff
on the files you feel are important enough and run</div><div>a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.</div><div><br></div><div>HTH,</div><div>Mark</div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 21:50:02 2023

On Monday, 17 April 2023 20:28:01 BST Mark Knecht wrote:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,

I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

HTH,
Mark

The emerge specific solution is to set the list in your CONFIG_PROTECT variable in /etc/make.conf, as per the example provided here:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Working/EnvVar

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From Anna@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 22:00:01 2023

The emerge specific solution is to set the list in your CONFIG_PROTECT variable in /etc/make.conf

Afaik CONFIG_PROTECT includes the whole of /etc by default (Unless you
poke holes in it with CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK, or overriting CONFIG_PROTECT).

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From Mark Knecht@21:1/5 to ny6p01@gmail.com on Mon Apr 17 22:40:01 2023

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:40 PM Lee <ny6p01@gmail.com> wrote:

Really, etc update has a facility for skipping whatever files you want.

Lee

<SNIP>

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

HTH,
Mark

Absolutely really. It's not only about whether that option works today
but whether it keeps working in the future, assuming it really works
at all.

There's also the case of the machine going down, a disk corrupting,
etc. and how long it takes to find the notebook where supposedly
we had the notes about how we set things up.

And what about other machines using other distros?

I'm only offering what I do. I personally wouldn't run the cron job
but for all my machines part of my backups is a big list of config
files kept elsewhere on the network so that I don't have to
reconstruct that sort of config stuff. Add to Walter's list other
things like NFS exports and for old people like me it's just
easier to be prepared.

Just my POV.

<div dir="ltr"><br><br>On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:40 PM Lee <<a href="mailto:ny6p01@gmail.com">ny6p01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Really, etc update has a facility for skipping whatever files you want. <br>><br>> Lee<br><SNIP&
gt;<br>>> In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this <br>>> sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that <br>>> does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run<br>>> a cron
job hourly that looks for any differences.<br>>><br>>> HTH,<br>>> Mark<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_
quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Absolutely really. It's not only about whether that option works today </div><div>but whether it keeps working in the future, assuming it really works</div><div>at all. </div><div><br></div><div>There's
also the case of the machine going down, a disk corrupting, </div><div>etc. and how long it takes to find the notebook where supposedly </div><div>we had the notes about how we set things up. </div><div><br></div><div>And what about other machines
using other distros? </div><div><br></div><div>I'm only offering what I do. I personally wouldn't run the cron job</div><div>but for all my machines part of my backups is a big list of config</div><div>files kept elsewhere on the network so that
I don't have to </div><div>reconstruct that sort of config stuff. Add to Walter's list other</div><div>things like NFS exports and for old people like me it's just</div><div>easier to be prepared.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my POV. </div>
</div>

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From Frank Steinmetzger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 23:10:01 2023

Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update. Then I can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old file entirely.

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From Jude DaShiell@21:1/5 to Frank Steinmetzger on Mon Apr 17 23:40:01 2023

If that works and I were to use chattr +i it might be useful to make a
list of what's now immuteable so later adjustments could be made when appropriate.

-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved, I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update. Then I can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old file entirely.

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From Mark Knecht@21:1/5 to Warp_7@gmx.de on Mon Apr 17 23:30:02 2023

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 2:08 PM Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote:

Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:
<SNIP>

In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.

Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update.

Then I

can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or

old

file entirely.

It might do most of that, if it's working. If no bugs have been introduced since the last time you used it, if the user has their eyes open and
doesn't make a mistake.

I do not know if it has an option to keep a copy somewhere safe, and
again, I run multiple distros and like a solution that, for me, works on
all distros.

To each his own.

;-) (And shame on you for being 'a few months' behind on your updates) ;-)

<div dir="ltr"><br><br>On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 2:08 PM Frank Steinmetzger <<a href="mailto:Warp_7@gmx.de">Warp_7@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:<br>> <SNIP><br>> > In
my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this<br>> > sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that<br>> > does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run<br>> > a cron job hourly that
looks for any differences.<br>><br>> Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a<br>> few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in<br>> vim (configurable) of my old version and the
new one from the update. Then I<br>> can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old<br>> file entirely.<br>><div><br><div>It might do most of that, if it's working. If no bugs have been introduced</div><div>
since the last time you used it, if the user has their eyes open and </div><div>doesn't make a mistake. </div><div><br></div><div>I do not know if it has an option to keep a copy somewhere safe, and </div><div>again, I run multiple distros and
like a solution that, for me, works on</div><div>all distros. </div><div><br></div><div>To each his own. </div><div><br></div><div>;-) (And shame on you for being 'a few months' behind on your updates) ;-)</div><div><br></div></div></div>

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From Frank Steinmetzger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 18 00:40:01 2023

Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 02:27:53PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:

;-) (And shame on you for being 'a few months' behind on your updates) ;-)

It’s my NAS (basically my media library), which only runs every few months due to its server hardware’s high power draw.

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From Wols Lists@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Tue Apr 18 07:00:01 2023

On 17/04/2023 19:26, Walter Dnes wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

I had it want to update grub. Which would have utterly borked my system
the moment I updated my kernel.

Okay, the problem is where you mix user and system config in the same
file, but this would have deleted lvm and mdadm from my boot config,
rendering any kernel unbootable. :-(

Like it tried to update postfix many moons ago and would have destroued
my mail config ...

Surely there's some way of fixing this ...

Cheers,
Wol

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From Neil Bothwick@21:1/5 to Wols Lists on Tue Apr 18 09:50:01 2023

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:55:49 +0100, Wols Lists wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:26, Walter Dnes wrote:

Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been
solved, I have a somewhat minor complaint. Can I get etc-update to
skip certain files? My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...

1) /etc/hosts (1)
2) /etc/inittab (1)
3) /etc/mtab (1)
4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
6) /etc/default/grub (1)
7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)

...hosts is critical for networking. consolefont allows me tp use the
true text console with a readable font, etc, etc. I have my reasons
for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.

I had it want to update grub. Which would have utterly borked my system
the moment I updated my kernel.

Okay, the problem is where you mix user and system config in the same
file, but this would have deleted lvm and mdadm from my boot config, rendering any kernel unbootable. :-(

Like it tried to update postfix many moons ago and would have destroued
my mail config ...

Surely there's some way of fixing this ...

You could have a post-install hook in /etc/portage/env/$CAT/$PKG for each
of the affected files, something like

post_pkg_postinst() {
rm -f /etc/._cfg0000_hosts
}

You'll need to check the syntax as it's a while since I've used this.

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