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    From William KENWORTHY@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 5 03:00:01 2023
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    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer
    not to disable the mouse ... Is there an alternative?
    BillK

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  • From tastytea@21:1/5 to billk@iinet.net.au on Wed Apr 5 11:30:01 2023
    On 2023-04-05 08:54+0800 William KENWORTHY <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:

    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working
    fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my
    part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the
    mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK

    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to
    come out of suspension.

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  • From William Kenworthy@21:1/5 to tastytea on Wed Apr 5 11:40:01 2023
    On 5/4/23 17:24, tastytea wrote:
    On 2023-04-05 08:54+0800 William KENWORTHY <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:

    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working
    fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of
    suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my
    part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the
    mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK
    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to
    come out of suspension.


    Unfortunately they are already off (the bios has PS2 settings) - the
    mouse is part of a keyboard/mouse set using a Logitech unifying USB
    dongle.  I can use a udev rule to turn off waking via the USB port, but
    I cant separate the mouse from the keyboard - and I need the keyboard
    enabled to wake the PC up.

    BillK

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  • From Frank Steinmetzger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 6 12:50:01 2023
    Am Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 05:35:52PM +0800 schrieb William Kenworthy:

    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working
    fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK
    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to come out of suspension.


    Unfortunately they are already off (the bios has PS2 settings) - the mouse
    is part of a keyboard/mouse set using a Logitech unifying USB dongle.  I can use a udev rule to turn off waking via the USB port, but I cant separate the mouse from the keyboard - and I need the keyboard enabled to wake the PC up.

    Usually, Logitech mice have a switch on the bottom to physically turn them
    on or off. Usually I use that to circumvent wake-on-USB, rather than pulling out the USB wart.

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  • From William Kenworthy@21:1/5 to Michael on Thu Apr 6 14:10:01 2023
    On 6/4/23 19:20, Michael wrote:
    On Thursday, 6 April 2023 11:49:29 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
    Am Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 05:35:52PM +0800 schrieb William Kenworthy:
    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working
    fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of >>>>> suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my >>>>> part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the >>>>> mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK
    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to >>>> come out of suspension.
    Unfortunately they are already off (the bios has PS2 settings) - the mouse >>> is part of a keyboard/mouse set using a Logitech unifying USB dongle. I >>> can use a udev rule to turn off waking via the USB port, but I cant
    separate the mouse from the keyboard - and I need the keyboard enabled to >>> wake the PC up.
    Usually, Logitech mice have a switch on the bottom to physically turn them >> on or off. Usually I use that to circumvent wake-on-USB, rather than pulling >> out the USB wart.
    Have a look in '/sys/devices/.../power/wakeup files' to see if tweaking sys files can stop your USB mouse waking up the OS:

    https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.1/driver-api/pm/devices.html#interfaces-for-entering-system-sleep-states

    the above seems like a dead end - the mouse and keyboard share the usb device through the Logitech Unifying Receiver - they are not broken out at that level so disabling USB disables both ... and I need the keyboard to bring it out of suspend.

    I think there are actually two problems ... any mouse movement immediately after clicking the button seems to be cached and triggers a resume within a few seconds after suspending and even a slight movement of the mouse at any time triggers a resume.
    Its an optical mouse, so movements are generated if you pick it up to turn it off so that's out. All I have been able to do is to position it out of the way, carefully click the button and immediately leave it alone ... this mostly works :(

    This over-sensitive behaviour seems to have started with later 5.15 kernels and has become annoyingly worse with 6.1 - before that it seemed to have a threshold before it would resume, but thats probably just my imagination now its bugging me :)

    I am starting to wonder if its a "just me" problem.

    BillK

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  • From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 6 13:30:01 2023
    On Thursday, 6 April 2023 11:49:29 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
    Am Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 05:35:52PM +0800 schrieb William Kenworthy:
    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working
    fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK

    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to come out of suspension.

    Unfortunately they are already off (the bios has PS2 settings) - the mouse is part of a keyboard/mouse set using a Logitech unifying USB dongle. I can use a udev rule to turn off waking via the USB port, but I cant separate the mouse from the keyboard - and I need the keyboard enabled to wake the PC up.
    Usually, Logitech mice have a switch on the bottom to physically turn them
    on or off. Usually I use that to circumvent wake-on-USB, rather than pulling out the USB wart.

    Have a look in '/sys/devices/.../power/wakeup files' to see if tweaking sys files can stop your USB mouse waking up the OS:

    https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.1/driver-api/pm/devices.html#interfaces-for-entering-system-sleep-states

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  • From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 6 14:20:01 2023
    On Thursday, 6 April 2023 13:04:34 BST William Kenworthy wrote:
    On 6/4/23 19:20, Michael wrote:
    On Thursday, 6 April 2023 11:49:29 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
    Am Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 05:35:52PM +0800 schrieb William Kenworthy:
    I have suspend/hibernate set up on a desktop ... it's been working >>>>> fine for years. But recently, it's been occaisionally coming out of >>>>> suspension some time after suspension without any intervention on my >>>>> part. I am suspecting the mouse - I would prefer not to disable the >>>>> mouse ... Is there an alternative? BillK

    Often there are options in the BIOS/UEFI to choose what can cause it to >>>> come out of suspension.

    Unfortunately they are already off (the bios has PS2 settings) - the
    mouse
    is part of a keyboard/mouse set using a Logitech unifying USB dongle. I >>> can use a udev rule to turn off waking via the USB port, but I cant
    separate the mouse from the keyboard - and I need the keyboard enabled >>> to
    wake the PC up.

    Usually, Logitech mice have a switch on the bottom to physically turn
    them
    on or off. Usually I use that to circumvent wake-on-USB, rather than
    pulling out the USB wart.

    Have a look in '/sys/devices/.../power/wakeup files' to see if tweaking
    sys
    files can stop your USB mouse waking up the OS:

    https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.1/driver-api/pm/devices.html#interfaces -for-entering-system-sleep-states
    the above seems like a dead end - the mouse and keyboard share the usb
    device through the Logitech Unifying Receiver - they are not broken out at that level so disabling USB disables both ... and I need the keyboard to bring it out of suspend.

    I think there are actually two problems ... any mouse movement immediately after clicking the button seems to be cached and triggers a resume within a few seconds after suspending and even a slight movement of the mouse at any time triggers a resume. Its an optical mouse, so movements are generated
    if you pick it up to turn it off so that's out. All I have been able to do is to position it out of the way, carefully click the button and
    immediately leave it alone ... this mostly works :(

    This over-sensitive behaviour seems to have started with later 5.15 kernels and has become annoyingly worse with 6.1 - before that it seemed to have a threshold before it would resume, but thats probably just my imagination
    now its bugging me :)

    I am starting to wonder if its a "just me" problem.

    BillK

    Heh! I suspect this behaviour annoys more people than just you. We use desks where the keyboard and separate mouse are both stored on a sliding tray under the desk. Putting the PC on sleep and carelessly sliding the tray under the desk causes the mouse to move and with it an unwanted wake up event. Other jobs took priority and have not looked into a fix for it.

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  • From Matt Connell@21:1/5 to William Kenworthy on Thu Apr 6 16:00:01 2023
    On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 20:04 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
    I need the keyboard to bring it out of suspend.

    Forgive a naive question that I only ask because it hasn't come up yet:
    is the power buttonan option to wake the machine?

    Everyone has their own preferred workflow and I've always just disabled
    USB wake entirely to avoid accidental waking, and then just tap the
    power button instead.

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