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[gentoo-user] Getting printer working, the road of Pain.

From Alan Grimes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 19:00:01 2022

Ok. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to get my blessed
printer working.

It is the finest laser printer money can buy. God himself uses it to
process the paperwork involved in assigning souls to either heaven or
hell... What I'm saying is that the printer is such an immaculate
example of printing perfection that linux is going to give me absolute
hell getting it working.

I will be sthocked if I can get it working in less than two weeks
working full time and without influcting a migraine and/or an ulcer on
myself.

(meanwhile, Windows can print to the thing effortlessly....)

Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny all
attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The config
file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking thing to say
yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take 2-3 days just to
get over this hurdle.

How can people actually go around installing linux on people's computers
as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this bad?

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From tastytea@21:1/5 to alonzotg@verizon.net on Thu Sep 8 20:10:01 2022

On 2022-09-08 12:52-0400 Alan Grimes <alonzotg@verizon.net> wrote:

[…]

Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny
all attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The
config file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking
thing to say yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take
2-3 days just to get over this hurdle.

I solved this problem by replacing the contents of every <Location>
block with:

Order allow,deny
Allow localhost
Allow from fd69:0:0:0:*
Allow from 192.168.69.*

How can people actually go around installing linux on people's
computers as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this
bad?

It's not bad at all if you use a distribution with a better default configuration, pre-installed drivers and a pre-installed GUI for setting
up the automatically detected printer in less than 5 clicks.
Unless you have a printer from a shitty company, of course.

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From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 20:24:07 2022

On Thursday, 8 September 2022 19:04:42 BST tastytea wrote:

On 2022-09-08 12:52-0400 Alan Grimes <alonzotg@verizon.net> wrote:

[…]

Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny
all attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The
config file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking
thing to say yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take
2-3 days just to get over this hurdle.

I solved this problem by replacing the contents of every <Location>
block with:

Order allow,deny
Allow localhost
Allow from fd69:0:0:0:*
Allow from 192.168.69.*

How can people actually go around installing linux on people's
computers as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this
bad?

It's not bad at all if you use a distribution with a better default configuration, pre-installed drivers and a pre-installed GUI for setting
up the automatically detected printer in less than 5 clicks.
Unless you have a printer from a shitty company, of course.

You'll need the right drivers for the printer you have. This page is a good start for CUPS and usually it doesn't take long to connect to the printer and start printing.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Printing

Modern printers invariably offer their own http(s) web GUI for administration, which may also need configuring, but just printing alone should be achievable by using the guidance in the wiki above.
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From Wols Lists@21:1/5 to Lee on Thu Sep 8 22:50:01 2022

On 08/09/2022 21:24, Lee wrote:

Who needs to go to the hassle maintaining a printer of their own, buying cartridges, paper etc? I set up an online account at my neighborhood
Kinkos, and I just upload whatever docs I need and they print out in HD whatever I need for pennies a page. Ymmv.

YMMV. But if your neighbouhood Kinkos is fifty miles away your mileage
most definitely does vary :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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From Lee@21:1/5 to gentoo@tastytea.de on Thu Sep 8 22:30:01 2022

Who needs to go to the hassle maintaining a printer of their own, buying cartridges, paper etc? I set up an online account at my neighborhood
Kinkos, and I just upload whatever docs I need and they print out in HD whatever I need for pennies a page. Ymmv.

Lee 😎

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 11:05 AM tastytea <gentoo@tastytea.de> wrote:

On 2022-09-08 12:52-0400 Alan Grimes <alonzotg@verizon.net> wrote:

[…]

Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny
all attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The
config file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking
thing to say yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take
2-3 days just to get over this hurdle.

I solved this problem by replacing the contents of every <Location>
block with:

Order allow,deny
Allow localhost
Allow from fd69:0:0:0:*
Allow from 192.168.69.*

How can people actually go around installing linux on people's
computers as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this
bad?

It's not bad at all if you use a distribution with a better default configuration, pre-installed drivers and a pre-installed GUI for setting
up the automatically detected printer in less than 5 clicks.
Unless you have a printer from a shitty company, of course.

<div dir="auto">Who needs to go to the hassle maintaining a printer of their own, buying cartridges, paper etc? I set up an online account at my neighborhood Kinkos, and I just upload whatever docs I need and they print out in HD whatever I need for
pennies a page. Ymmv. <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Lee 😎</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 11:05 AM tastytea <<a href="mailto:gentoo@tastytea.de">gentoo@tastytea.de</a>>
wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2022-09-08 12:52-0400 Alan Grimes <<a href="mailto:alonzotg@verizon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alonzotg@verizon.net</a>
> wrote: 

> […] 
> 
> Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny > all attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The > config file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking > thing to say yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take > 2-3 days just to get over this hurdle. 

I solved this problem by replacing the contents of every <Location> block with: 

Order allow,deny 
Allow localhost 
Allow from fd69:0:0:0:* 
Allow from 192.168.69.* 

> How can people actually go around installing linux on people's > computers as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this > bad? 

It's not bad at all if you use a distribution with a better default configuration, pre-installed drivers and a pre-installed GUI for setting 
up the automatically detected printer in less than 5 clicks. 
Unless you have a printer from a shitty company, of course. 

</blockquote></div>

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From Peter Humphrey@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 01:00:01 2022

On Thursday, 8 September 2022 21:40:25 BST Wols Lists wrote:

On 08/09/2022 21:24, Lee wrote:

Who needs to go to the hassle maintaining a printer of their own, buying cartridges, paper etc? I set up an online account at my neighborhood Kinkos, and I just upload whatever docs I need and they print out in HD whatever I need for pennies a page. Ymmv.

YMMV. But if your neighbouhood Kinkos is fifty miles away your mileage
most definitely does vary :-)

What is a Kinkos?

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Regards,
Peter.

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From David M. Fellows@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 14:00:01 2022

On Thursday, 8 September 2022 21:40:25 BST Wols Lists wrote:

On 08/09/2022 21:24, Lee wrote:

Who needs to go to the hassle maintaining a printer of their own, buying >> > cartridges, paper etc? I set up an online account at my neighborhood
Kinkos, and I just upload whatever docs I need and they print out in HD
whatever I need for pennies a page. Ymmv.

YMMV. But if your neighbouhood Kinkos is fifty miles away your mileage
most definitely does vary :-)

What is a Kinkos?

Was a copy shop chain. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedEx_Office
DaveF

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Regards,
Peter.

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From Paul Colquhoun@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 10 02:20:01 2022

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On Friday, September 9, 2022 2:52:01 A.M. AEST Alan Grimes wrote:

Ok. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to get my blessed
printer working.

It is the finest laser printer money can buy. God himself uses it to
process the paperwork involved in assigning souls to either heaven or
hell... What I'm saying is that the printer is such an immaculate
example of printing perfection that linux is going to give me absolute
hell getting it working.

I will be sthocked if I can get it working in less than two weeks
working full time and without influcting a migraine and/or an ulcer on myself.

(meanwhile, Windows can print to the thing effortlessly....)

Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny all attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The config
file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking thing to say
yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take 2-3 days just to
get over this hurdle.

How can people actually go around installing linux on people's computers
as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this bad?

Two points.

1) Did you bother to research the Linux support situation before you purchased the
printer? World's finest printer or not, if they keep parts of the interface as proprietry
secrets then there is not much the Linux maintainers can do.

2) Remind us again why you still try to run Gentoo when you obviously dislike it.

--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro

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<body>On Friday, September 9, 2022 2:52:01 A.M. AEST Alan Grimes wrote:
> Ok. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to get my blessed
> printer working.
> > It is the finest laser printer money can buy. God himself uses it to
> process the paperwork involved in assigning souls to either heaven or
> hell... What I'm saying is that the printer is such an immaculate
> example of printing perfection that linux is going to give me absolute
> hell getting it working.
> > I will be sthocked if I can get it working in less than two weeks
> working full time and without influcting a migraine and/or an ulcer on
> myself.
> > (meanwhile, Windows can print to the thing effortlessly....)
> > Right now linux is so broken that the CUPS web interface will deny all
> attempts to administer the printer and reject any password. The config
> file is written in moonspeak, I just need the motherfucking thing to say
> yes when I tell it to do a thing. I expect it to take 2-3 days just to
> get over this hurdle.
> > How can people actually go around installing linux on people's computers
> as if they were doing them a favor when it really is this bad?
 Two points.
 1) Did you bother to research the Linux support situation before you purchased the printer? World's finest printer or not, if they keep parts of the interface as proprietry
secrets then there is not much the Linux maintainers can do.
 2) Remind us again why you still try to run Gentoo when you obviously dislike it.
 -- 
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC.     http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
  Asking for technical help in newsgroups?  Read this first:
     http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
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From Wols Lists@21:1/5 to Paul Colquhoun on Sat Sep 10 10:10:01 2022

On 10/09/2022 01:18, Paul Colquhoun wrote:

2) Remind us again why you still try to run Gentoo when you obviously
dislike it.

snark :-)

A couple of things to remember:

Gentoo IS a pita to install and run compared to most other distros -
I've had a brand new laptop lying around for 6 months which has been an absolute pain and is still not working ...

RTFM is NOT an acceptable answer - half the time the documentation is
worse than the program, the other half of the time you can't find it and
the stuff on the web is out-or-date, irrelevant, or some other rabbit
hole ...

IBM used to have a "black team", apparently. Anybody who was just plain
useless at their job, or could never get things to work, or just took
pleasure in breaking things, was put on this team. Telling developers
their work was being handed over to this lot for testing was considered
pure torture. I guess Alan belongs on that team - at least if the devs
are reading it helps gentoo get more robust :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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From karl@aspodata.se@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 10 12:10:01 2022

Wol:
...

A couple of things to remember:

Gentoo IS a pita to install and run compared to most other distros -

...

That really depends. Other distros might not have what you want or
they force upon you desicions you don't like. Just beeing easy to
install and running something irrelevant doesn't mean much if they
don't deliver what you want.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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From Grant Edwards@21:1/5 to Wols Lists on Sat Sep 10 17:40:01 2022

On 2022-09-10, Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/09/2022 01:18, Paul Colquhoun wrote:

2) Remind us again why you still try to run Gentoo when you obviously
dislike it.

snark :-)

A couple of things to remember:

Gentoo IS a pita to install and run compared to most other distros -

Until you want to do something even vaguely unique or out-of-the
ordinary. Then most other distros are a PITA compared to Gentoo.

If all you want to do is run a web browser, then Gentoo is almost
definitely the wrong choice.

--
Grant

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