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  • Re: [gentoo-user] Remove rust completely

    From Miles Malone@21:1/5 to Julien Roy on Thu May 12 03:00:01 2022
    If your *reason* for wanting to remove rust is the compile time, bear
    in mind there is also a rust-bin package these days. There are an
    increasingly large number of major packages that have rust as a
    dependency, so it's getting harder and harder to get away from.
    Obviously anything from the mozilla foundation, but there's a lot of
    others too.

    Miles

    On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 10:25, Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca> wrote:

    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?



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  • From Julien Roy@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 12 02:30:01 2022
    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?



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  • From Mansour Al Akeel@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 12 02:30:01 2022
    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?

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  • From Mansour Al Akeel@21:1/5 to m.malone@homicidalteddybear.net on Thu May 12 03:50:01 2022
    Miles,
    Thank you for your response. The idea of "getting harder and harder"
    is hard to accept. Gentoo has always been about having choices.
    Firefox requires rust, but is there a way to disable this ?
    There must be another way to let the user decide if they need it or not !

    And yes, the compile time is one of the factors in not wanting it on
    my system. The second factor is a natural reaction toward feeling that
    I am forced to have it.
    Another reason is the growing collection of compilers and development
    tools and their build time (gcc, bin-utils, llvm, clang ... etc.) and
    now rust.

    Firefox itself takes a lot of time to build, and if rust is a must
    have, then maybe it is time for me to look into something else. I know
    there's firefox-bin, and if it doesn't need rust, then maybe it is an
    option.

    On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:55 PM Miles Malone
    <m.malone@homicidalteddybear.net> wrote:

    If your *reason* for wanting to remove rust is the compile time, bear
    in mind there is also a rust-bin package these days. There are an increasingly large number of major packages that have rust as a
    dependency, so it's getting harder and harder to get away from.
    Obviously anything from the mozilla foundation, but there's a lot of
    others too.

    Miles

    On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 10:25, Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca> wrote:

    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?




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  • From Mansour Al Akeel@21:1/5 to julien@jroy.ca on Thu May 12 04:10:02 2022
    Thank you both Julien and Miles for your help.
    I got the list I wanted, and I can go ahead with removing rust.

    On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:25 PM Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca> wrote:

    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?



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  • From Grant Edwards@21:1/5 to Mansour Al Akeel on Thu May 12 04:10:01 2022
    On 2022-05-12, Mansour Al Akeel <mansour.alakeel@gmail.com> wrote:

    Thank you for your response. The idea of "getting harder and harder"
    is hard to accept. Gentoo has always been about having choices.

    It is. You can choose to avoid Rust if you want.

    Firefox requires rust, but is there a way to disable this?

    No.

    There must be another way to let the user decide if they need it or not!

    If you need Firefox, you need rust.

    And yes, the compile time is one of the factors in not wanting it on
    my system.

    rust-bin solves that problem.

    The second factor is a natural reaction toward feeling that I am
    forced to have it. Another reason is the growing collection of
    compilers and development tools and their build time (gcc,
    bin-utils, llvm, clang ... etc.) and now rust.

    Firefox itself takes a lot of time to build, and if rust is a must
    have, then maybe it is time for me to look into something else. I know there's firefox-bin, and if it doesn't need rust, then maybe it is an
    option.

    Firefox-bin does not require rust.

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  • From cal@21:1/5 to Mansour Al Akeel on Thu May 12 04:10:02 2022
    On 5/11/22 18:41, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
    Miles,
    Thank you for your response. The idea of "getting harder and harder"
    is hard to accept. Gentoo has always been about having choice> Firefox requires rust, but is there a way to disable this ?
    There must be another way to let the user decide if they need it or not !
    At the distribution level, sure, but the Gentoo package maintainers
    don't necessarily have the authority to control what upstream software developers are doing. I continue to find it perplexing how many people
    on this list hold responsible the Gentoo packaging for the
    decision-making of upstream developers.

    Significant core components of Firefox are written in Rust, and have
    been for years. Whether or not this is a good thing is in the eyes of
    the beholder, but it has nothing to do with the Gentoo packaging -- it's
    a Mozilla decision.

    And yes, the compile time is one of the factors in not wanting it on
    my system. The second factor is a natural reaction toward feeling that
    I am forced to have it.
    Another reason is the growing collection of compilers and development
    tools and their build time (gcc, bin-utils, llvm, clang ... etc.) and
    now rust.

    Firefox itself takes a lot of time to build, and if rust is a must
    have, then maybe it is time for me to look into something else. I know there's firefox-bin, and if it doesn't need rust, then maybe it is an
    option.

    On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:55 PM Miles Malone <m.malone@homicidalteddybear.net> wrote:

    If your *reason* for wanting to remove rust is the compile time, bear
    in mind there is also a rust-bin package these days. There are an
    increasingly large number of major packages that have rust as a
    dependency, so it's getting harder and harder to get away from.
    Obviously anything from the mozilla foundation, but there's a lot of
    others too.

    Miles

    On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 10:25, Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca> wrote:

    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?




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  • From Mansour Al Akeel@21:1/5 to cal@mail.meme.technology on Thu May 12 04:30:01 2022
    Cal, like I said, gentoo has always been about choices. I am not
    blaming anyone for anything. At the end of the day, it is open source,
    and the work done by the community is highly appreciated.
    I am sorry it was understood the other way around.

    The frustration level grows when I have too many build tools that take
    forever to build, and there's no way around it.

    And yes, like Grant said, a choice would be to just go with
    firefox-bin if not rust-bin.

    Thank you all


    On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 10:03 PM cal <cal@mail.meme.technology> wrote:

    On 5/11/22 18:41, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
    Miles,
    Thank you for your response. The idea of "getting harder and harder"
    is hard to accept. Gentoo has always been about having choice> Firefox requires rust, but is there a way to disable this ?
    There must be another way to let the user decide if they need it or not !
    At the distribution level, sure, but the Gentoo package maintainers
    don't necessarily have the authority to control what upstream software developers are doing. I continue to find it perplexing how many people
    on this list hold responsible the Gentoo packaging for the
    decision-making of upstream developers.

    Significant core components of Firefox are written in Rust, and have
    been for years. Whether or not this is a good thing is in the eyes of
    the beholder, but it has nothing to do with the Gentoo packaging -- it's
    a Mozilla decision.

    And yes, the compile time is one of the factors in not wanting it on
    my system. The second factor is a natural reaction toward feeling that
    I am forced to have it.
    Another reason is the growing collection of compilers and development
    tools and their build time (gcc, bin-utils, llvm, clang ... etc.) and
    now rust.

    Firefox itself takes a lot of time to build, and if rust is a must
    have, then maybe it is time for me to look into something else. I know there's firefox-bin, and if it doesn't need rust, then maybe it is an option.

    On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:55 PM Miles Malone <m.malone@homicidalteddybear.net> wrote:

    If your *reason* for wanting to remove rust is the compile time, bear
    in mind there is also a rust-bin package these days. There are an
    increasingly large number of major packages that have rust as a
    dependency, so it's getting harder and harder to get away from.
    Obviously anything from the mozilla foundation, but there's a lot of
    others too.

    Miles

    On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 10:25, Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca> wrote:

    You need to remove all packages that depend on virtual/rust
    To see which ones do, run `emerge -pv --depclean virtual/rust`

    Julien



    May 11, 2022, 20:22 by mansour.alakeel@gmail.com:

    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?






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  • From Matt Connell@21:1/5 to Mansour Al Akeel on Thu May 12 05:30:01 2022
    On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 22:24 -0400, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
    a choice would be to just go with firefox-bin if not rust-bin.

    I went with rust-bin because lots of GTK programs (evince, gimp,
    deluge) as well as some other miscellaneous utilities rely on librsvg
    which requires rust.

    So, since I need rust anyway, I just use the bin version to save
    effort, but still build firefox from source in order to disable anti-
    features like EME.

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  • From Wols Lists@21:1/5 to Mansour Al Akeel on Thu May 12 18:30:01 2022
    On 12/05/2022 02:41, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
    And yes, the compile time is one of the factors in not wanting it on
    my system. The second factor is a natural reaction toward feeling that
    I am forced to have it.
    Another reason is the growing collection of compilers and development
    tools and their build time (gcc, bin-utils, llvm, clang ... etc.) and
    now rust.

    Tongue in cheek, but have you tried doing away with gcc, clang etc?

    If you're going to use a source-based system, a bunch of compilers
    "comes with the territory".

    Many people see Rust as a "better C than C", so that's why it's becoming popular. (Oh, and does Rust have its own compiler, or is Rust just part
    of llvm?).

    The way things are going you might find all you need is the llvm
    collection, and gcc will be obsolete ...

    Cheers,
    Wol

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  • From Michael Orlitzky@21:1/5 to Mansour Al Akeel on Sat May 14 13:10:01 2022
    On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 20:22 -0400, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
    I am trying to avoid installing rust and prevent emerge --update
    --deep world from installing it again.
    How to do this ?


    1. Switch away from Mozilla products. Evolution is a great Thunderbird alternative, and Epiphany is a passable Firefox substitute.

    2a. Give up on SVG support in anything other than inkscape. The only
    two standalone (i.e. outside of inkscape) SVG libraries involve rust.

    2b. Add gnome-base/librsvg to package.provided, and use pre-built
    binary packages[0] for any GTK icon themes you need. This isn't perfect
    (a few application icons won't render), but it's livable.

    3. If you use app-antivirus/clamav, the stable 0.103.x series will
    remain rust-free and supported (in Gentoo) until it no longer works, or
    has a security issue that isn't easy to backport. Unless you need this
    for compliance reasons or for a mail server with third-party
    signatures, the "good" news is that its detection rate has never been
    great. You're not much worse off without it.

    4a. Help the Gentoo developers by pointing out any packages that
    currently depend on dev-python/cryptography (which now needs rust)
    where that dependency can be made optional by a USE flag.

    4b. If upstream is interested, you can try to port python packages away
    from the cryptography package to something like pyNaCl.


    [0]https://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2021/09/experimental-binary-gentoo-package.html

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