• [gentoo-user] Updating old Gentoo on notebook

    From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 13 22:10:02 2021
    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

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    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From tastytea@21:1/5 to waltdnes@waltdnes.org on Mon Sep 13 22:20:01 2021
    On 2021-09-13 15:59-0400 "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?


    Looks like some packages want python 3.8 and some python 3.9. If you
    emerge portage with USE="PYTHON_TARGETS: python3_8 -python3_9" first
    and then again normally it might work.

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Mon Sep 13 22:20:02 2021
    On 2021.09.13 15:59, Walter Dnes wrote:
    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    From my very elementary and simplistic look at the log, have you been messing at all with python version related settings? (python_target
    related flags)
    It looks like the new portage needs the new version of some python
    packages, but the older version of some of those packages is still
    required by yet other packages.
    Until/unless someone can suggest a more comprehensive approach (which
    may be likely,) I would try upgrading those pythong packages included
    in your upgrad - one at a time, trying to figure out which other
    packages you need to upgrade first.
    Of course if you've manually modified any python_target settings, I'd consider that to be a likely cause of the problems.

    Jack

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  • From Neil Bothwick@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Mon Sep 13 23:30:02 2021
    On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:59:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    You've been hit by the switch from Python 3.8 to 3.9 by the looks of it.
    Try adding "sys-apps/portage python_targets_python3_8" to package.use.

    You'll probably have to add a few more packages to this list to get world updated. I currently have 38 packages with this flag in package_use on my laptop, yet my desktop needs none, so the number you will have to add
    will be somewhere between zero and lots :)


    --
    Neil Bothwick

    Will we ever get out of this airport? asked Tom interminably.

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to Jack on Mon Sep 13 23:30:02 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 04:12:54PM -0400, Jack wrote
    On 2021.09.13 15:59, Walter Dnes wrote:
    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    From my very elementary and simplistic look at the log, have you been messing at all with python version related settings? (python_target
    related flags)

    No. The notebook hasn't been updated for a few months.

    It looks like the new portage needs the new version of some python
    packages, but the older version of some of those packages is still
    required by yet other packages.
    Until/unless someone can suggest a more comprehensive approach (which
    may be likely,) I would try upgrading those pythong packages included
    in your upgrad - one at a time, trying to figure out which other
    packages you need to upgrade first.

    That's what I'm doing right now, one piece at a time.

    --
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    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to tastytea on Tue Sep 14 03:00:01 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:14:46PM +0200, tastytea wrote
    On 2021-09-13 15:59-0400 "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?


    Looks like some packages want python 3.8 and some python 3.9. If you
    emerge portage with USE="PYTHON_TARGETS: python3_8 -python3_9" first
    and then again normally it might work.

    That didn't quite work. I did "emerge -1 glibc", which also pulled in paxutils. This removed the "deprecated glibc" error. But still no luck
    with emerging portage.

    Following this I ran "emerge -1 binutils". But still no luck with
    emerging portage.

    "emerge -1 dev-python/certifi" got nowhere. So I did "emerge -1 gcc",
    which pulled it up from 9.3 to 10.3. Portage is still no go. Output
    from "emerge -1 portage >>output.txt 2>&1" follows. I have tried
    building each of certifi, setuptools, toml, and setuptools_scm
    separately with no luck.


    --
    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to Neil Bothwick on Tue Sep 14 03:20:01 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:21:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
    On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:59:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    You've been hit by the switch from Python 3.8 to 3.9 by the looks of it.
    Try adding "sys-apps/portage python_targets_python3_8" to package.use.

    You'll probably have to add a few more packages to this list to get world updated.

    Thank you very much. Progress. I've managed to get portage-3.0.26-r6
    built. My package.use currently has...

    sys-apps/portage -rsync-verify python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptool python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/certifi python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools_scm python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/toml python_targets_python3_8

    Can I remove the python flags now or should I do a world update first?

    --
    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From antlists@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Tue Sep 14 07:20:01 2021
    On 14/09/2021 02:11, Walter Dnes wrote:
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:21:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
    On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:59:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After emerge
    sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got me the
    following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really rather not
    re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    You've been hit by the switch from Python 3.8 to 3.9 by the looks of it.
    Try adding "sys-apps/portage python_targets_python3_8" to package.use.

    You'll probably have to add a few more packages to this list to get world
    updated.

    Thank you very much. Progress. I've managed to get portage-3.0.26-r6 built. My package.use currently has...

    sys-apps/portage -rsync-verify python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptool python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/certifi python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools_scm python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/toml python_targets_python3_8

    Can I remove the python flags now or should I do a world update first?

    I'd do a system update first. Make sure the necessities are in a stable
    state before you start mucking about with all the extras ... :-)

    Cheers,
    Wol

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  • From Neil Bothwick@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Tue Sep 14 09:30:02 2021
    On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:11:49 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:21:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
    On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:59:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

    I have a notebook that I haven't updated for a while. After
    emerge sync, it said to "emerge -1 portage". Trying to do so got
    me the following as listed in the gzipped attachment. I'd really
    rather not re-install. Is there a way to get out of this?

    You've been hit by the switch from Python 3.8 to 3.9 by the looks of
    it. Try adding "sys-apps/portage python_targets_python3_8" to
    package.use.

    You'll probably have to add a few more packages to this list to get
    world updated.

    Thank you very much. Progress. I've managed to get portage-3.0.26-r6 built. My package.use currently has...

    sys-apps/portage -rsync-verify python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptool python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/certifi python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/setuptools_scm python_targets_python3_8
    dev-python/toml python_targets_python3_8

    Can I remove the python flags now or should I do a world update first?

    Do a world update first, but you'll probably find you still need some of
    them afterwards. I keep them in a separate file in package.use, so I can
    move it and try a world update to see what is still needed.


    --
    Neil Bothwick

    Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Tue Sep 14 10:40:01 2021
    Walter Dnes wrote:
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 08:22:07AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
    Do a world update first, but you'll probably find you still need some of
    them afterwards.
    "emerge -pv --changed-use --deep --update @world" gives me...

    Total: 378 packages (299 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB
    Conflict: 4 blocks

    Trying to run the emerge shuts down in a few seconds without obvious
    error messages. The blocks are...

    [blocks b ] <=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1 ("<=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [blocks b ] <dev-libs/gobject-introspection-1.68.0 ("<dev-libs/gobject-introspection-1.68.0" is blocking dev-libs/gobject-introspection-common-1.68.0)
    [blocks b ] >perl-core/Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r999 (">perl-core/Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r999" is blocking virtual/perl-Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r2)
    [blocks b ] =x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2 ("=x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)

    On a hunch, I tried "emerge -pv xorg-server" and got more errors...

    These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

    Calculating dependencies... done!
    [ebuild N ] gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3::gentoo 0 KiB
    [ebuild r U ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo [1.20.10-r2:0/1.20.10::gentoo] USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test% -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -xnest -xvfb (-libressl%) (-
    wayland%)" 5,003 KiB
    [blocks b ] =x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2 ("=x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [ebuild r U ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-libinput-1.1.0::gentoo [0.30.0::gentoo] 372 KiB
    [blocks B ] <=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1 ("<=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [blocks B ] <=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.98 ("<=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.98" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)

    Total: 3 packages (2 upgrades, 1 new), Size of downloads: 5,375 KiB
    Conflict: 3 blocks (2 unsatisfied)

    * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
    * installed at the same time on the same system.

    (x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=x11-apps/xinit-1.3.3-r1 required by (x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -xnest -
    xvfb"

    (gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    gui-libs/display-manager-init required by (x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -
    xnest -xvfb"

    (sys-apps/sysvinit-2.97-1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.86-r6 required by (sys-apps/openrc-0.42.1-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="ncurses netifrc (split-usr) unicode -audit -bash -debug -newnet -pam (-prefix) (-selinux) -static-libs -sysv-utils"



    I'm no pro at this but I think if you update xinit and sysvinit first it
    will clear that block.  It could be the other way around tho.  If init packages first doesn't work, try the display-manager-init first. 
    Sometimes emerge spits things out backwards. 

    One could remove those two *init packages but if you are actually
    running that install, it could cause issues.  If done while chrooting
    in, it should be safe. 

    One of those methods *should* work.  In theory.  ;-)

    Dale

    :-)  :-)

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to Neil Bothwick on Tue Sep 14 10:20:01 2021
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 08:22:07AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote

    Do a world update first, but you'll probably find you still need some of
    them afterwards.

    "emerge -pv --changed-use --deep --update @world" gives me...

    Total: 378 packages (299 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB
    Conflict: 4 blocks

    Trying to run the emerge shuts down in a few seconds without obvious
    error messages. The blocks are...

    [blocks b ] <=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1 ("<=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [blocks b ] <dev-libs/gobject-introspection-1.68.0 ("<dev-libs/gobject-introspection-1.68.0" is blocking dev-libs/gobject-introspection-common-1.68.0)
    [blocks b ] >perl-core/Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r999 (">perl-core/Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r999" is blocking virtual/perl-Scalar-List-Utils-1.500.0-r2)
    [blocks b ] =x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2 ("=x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)

    On a hunch, I tried "emerge -pv xorg-server" and got more errors...

    These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

    Calculating dependencies... done!
    [ebuild N ] gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3::gentoo 0 KiB
    [ebuild r U ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo [1.20.10-r2:0/1.20.10::gentoo] USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test% -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -xnest -xvfb (-libressl%) (-
    wayland%)" 5,003 KiB
    [blocks b ] =x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2 ("=x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.10-r2" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [ebuild r U ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-libinput-1.1.0::gentoo [0.30.0::gentoo] 372 KiB
    [blocks B ] <=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1 ("<=x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)
    [blocks B ] <=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.98 ("<=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.98" is blocking gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3)

    Total: 3 packages (2 upgrades, 1 new), Size of downloads: 5,375 KiB
    Conflict: 3 blocks (2 unsatisfied)

    * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
    * installed at the same time on the same system.

    (x11-apps/xinit-1.4.1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=x11-apps/xinit-1.3.3-r1 required by (x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -xnest -
    xvfb"

    (gui-libs/display-manager-init-1.0-r3:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    gui-libs/display-manager-init required by (x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.13-r1:0/1.20.13::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal (-selinux) -systemd -test -unwind -xcsecurity -xephyr -
    xnest -xvfb"

    (sys-apps/sysvinit-2.97-1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.86-r6 required by (sys-apps/openrc-0.42.1-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="ncurses netifrc (split-usr) unicode -audit -bash -debug -newnet -pam (-prefix) (-selinux) -static-libs -sysv-utils"

    --
    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to Dale on Tue Sep 14 15:40:02 2021
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 03:33:14AM -0500, Dale wrote

    I'm no pro at this but I think if you update xinit and sysvinit first it
    will clear that block. It could be the other way around tho. If init packages first doesn't work, try the display-manager-init first.
    Sometimes emerge spits things out backwards.

    One could remove those two *init packages but if you are actually
    running that install, it could cause issues. If done while chrooting
    in, it should be safe.

    One of those methods *should* work. In theory. ;-)

    Thabk you very much. Emerging xinit broke the icejam. Now it's
    "only" a matter of...

    Total: 377 packages (298 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB

    ...wish me luck.

    --
    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Tue Sep 14 17:40:01 2021
    Walter Dnes wrote:
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 03:33:14AM -0500, Dale wrote
    I'm no pro at this but I think if you update xinit and sysvinit first it
    will clear that block. It could be the other way around tho. If init
    packages first doesn't work, try the display-manager-init first.
    Sometimes emerge spits things out backwards.

    One could remove those two *init packages but if you are actually
    running that install, it could cause issues. If done while chrooting
    in, it should be safe.

    One of those methods *should* work. In theory. ;-)
    Thabk you very much. Emerging xinit broke the icejam. Now it's
    "only" a matter of...

    Total: 377 packages (298 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB

    ...wish me luck.



    Glad to help.  I get a lot of help from this list so nice to give back a little.  ;-)

    Happy compiling.  Keep the thing cool. 

    Dale

    :-)  :-) 

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  • From Walter Dnes@21:1/5 to Dale on Tue Sep 14 22:00:02 2021
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 10:35:25AM -0500, Dale wrote
    Walter Dnes wrote:

    Total: 377 packages (298 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB

    ...wish me luck.



    Glad to help. I get a lot of help from this list so nice to give back a little. ;-)

    Happy compiling. Keep the thing cool.

    time emerge --changed-use --deep --update @world

    ...gave me...

    * IMPORTANT: 40 config files in '/etc' need updating.
    * See the CONFIGURATION FILES and CONFIGURATION FILES UPDATE TOOLS
    * sections of the emerge man page to learn how to update config files.

    * IMPORTANT: 4 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
    * Use eselect news read to view new items.

    * After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with
    * emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information.

    real 293m20.427s
    user 366m20.734s
    sys 71m22.050s

    I also noticed a whole slew of perl packages updating when I ran
    "emerge -pv", so I followed up with "perl-cleaner --reallyall", which
    went through a bunch of packages. Lesson learned, update the notebook
    more often.

    --
    Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
    I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Walter Dnes on Wed Sep 15 03:20:01 2021
    Walter Dnes wrote:
    On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 10:35:25AM -0500, Dale wrote
    Walter Dnes wrote:
    Total: 377 packages (298 upgrades, 52 new, 2 in new slots, 25 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 1,408,922 KiB

    ...wish me luck.


    Glad to help. I get a lot of help from this list so nice to give back a
    little. ;-)

    Happy compiling. Keep the thing cool.
    time emerge --changed-use --deep --update @world

    ...gave me...

    * IMPORTANT: 40 config files in '/etc' need updating.
    * See the CONFIGURATION FILES and CONFIGURATION FILES UPDATE TOOLS
    * sections of the emerge man page to learn how to update config files.

    * IMPORTANT: 4 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
    * Use eselect news read to view new items.

    * After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with
    * emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information.

    real 293m20.427s
    user 366m20.734s
    sys 71m22.050s

    I also noticed a whole slew of perl packages updating when I ran
    "emerge -pv", so I followed up with "perl-cleaner --reallyall", which
    went through a bunch of packages. Lesson learned, update the notebook
    more often.



    That's one downside to Gentoo, it doesn't like being stale.  As you just experienced, not updating Gentoo creates a time consuming and often
    confusing process to get back up to date.  If I were to want to install something that I couldn't keep up to date, update at least once a month,
    I'd use some other distro for that machine.  Going 3 months or more can
    lead to enough problems but going a year or so is a big problem. 
    Depending on what all has changed, it can even be faster to reinstall
    than update. 

    If I were advising a new person trying to Gentoo, I'd recommend going no
    more than a month between updates.  If that person can't upgrade at
    least once every three months, I'd suggest another distro.  At some
    point, it just becomes to much trouble. 

    That's not a knock at the devs either.  It's just the way Gentoo is
    since it follows upstream so closely.  In all honesty, way back, it was
    even harder to upgrade a machine way out of date.  The devs who code
    emerge have made a lot, make that huge, progress in making emerge find
    ways around blocks and such.  Still, regular updates is easier in my
    opinion than waiting to long. 

    I have to admit tho, if I had a laptop which comes with cooling issues
    plus being slower than a desktop, I'd likely go to once a month updates
    unless I could compile on my desktop then move the binaries over to the laptop. 

    Glad you got it going and I could help in some small way. 

    Dale

    :-)  :-) 

    P. S. I've been learning Kicad and even ordered some circuit boards. 
    It's getting dangerous over here.  :/

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