• yaboot installation media

    From Ben Westover@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 01:10:01 2022
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  • From Ben Westover@21:1/5 to lkcl on Fri Mar 25 01:30:02 2022
    To: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org

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  • From lkcl@21:1/5 to Ben Westover on Fri Mar 25 01:40:01 2022
    try these
    https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/yaboot-howto/ http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-2.html



    On March 25, 2022 12:00:36 AM UTC, Ben Westover <kwestover.kw@gmail.com> wrote: >Hello,

    I haven't been able to get any GRUB installation media to work on my >PowerMac G4. I've tried Debian, Gentoo, and Arch Linux, and every time
    it doesn't recognize GRUB at all.

    it would not surprise me if the default for grub is now EFI and of course there is a snowball in hell's chance EFI was around for G4s. the BIOS was based on BSD.

    l.

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  • From Jeffrey Walton@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 02:30:01 2022
    On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:28 PM Ben Westover
    We're using grub-ieee1275, IEEE-1275 being the specification for Open Firmware. There is no issue getting GRUB to run on my G3, and most
    others are having success on their machines, but my G4 just refuses to recognize GRUB in any way, only yaboot.

    It's kind of odd that things are working for you on G3's, and others
    have things working on G5's.

    Maybe you should try to reset the nvram? From the OF prompt, I believe
    the commands are reset-nvram and reset-all.

    Jeff

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  • From Ben Westover@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 02:50:01 2022
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  • From Ken Cunningham@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 03:10:01 2022
    A previous blessed ISO (Apr 17 2021) booted my IMac G4 without any troubles.

    Then I just let all the defaults have their way with the machine, and wound up with a beautiful GRUB-booting system running debian 11 that has been running ever since.

    So there is no specific “G4” problem with GRUB….

    Ken

    On Mar 24, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Ben Westover <kwestover.kw@gmail.com> wrote:

    In case it's useful, here's the exact system I have: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350.html

    It's running Open Firmware 3.1.1 (1.2f2 BootROM). This is what it came with, and I was unable to find any upgrades online for this particular model.

    --
    Ben Westover

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Ben Westover on Fri Mar 25 06:40:01 2022
    Hello Ben!

    On 3/25/22 01:00, Ben Westover wrote:
    I haven't been able to get any GRUB installation media to work on my PowerMac G4.
    I've tried Debian, Gentoo, and Arch Linux, and every time it doesn't recognize
    GRUB at all. Even attempting to boot manually from Open Firmware just hangs. In all situations where I've tried, this issue has been solved with yaboot.

    GRUB is known to work very well on PowerMac G4 and in my experience, it is extremely
    unlikely that you happen to one that single G4 Mac that does not work with GRUB.

    What is more likely is that you have bad memory modules in your machines and Yaboot
    just happens to use different memory regions which is why it's not affected by the
    problem.

    I would suggest running a memory tester to check your RAM's health or replace all
    modules with known good ones. Also, make sure that the machine has reasonable amounts of memory.

    I tried to create some yaboot install media, but I've seen that it would require
    patching debian-installer and I'm not sure where to start with that. If anyone
    could help in this process of creating install media that uses yaboot instead of
    GRUB, it would help me out tremendously.

    You can either use the last stable installation images for PowerPC:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.11.0/powerpc/iso-cd/

    and then upgrade from Wheezy to unstable but that's not going to be easy.

    Or, you can use one of the older ISO images for PowerPC which were still
    based on Yaboot:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/9.0/powerpc/iso-cd/ https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/10.0/powerpc/iso-cd/ https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ (anything before May 2019 should be Yaboot)

    If you use these older images, you will run into problems with the signing
    key at the installation step "Select and install software", so just skip this and install the system offline.

    Once the system has booted, you should download the latest Debian Ports
    keyring package and install it with dpkg:

    # wget http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/pool/main/d/debian-ports-archive-keyring/debian-ports-archive-keyring_2022.02.15_all.deb
    # dpkg -i debian-ports-archive-keyring_2022.02.15_all.deb

    then run:

    # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade

    Reverting the installer system back to Yaboot is not an option for us since that would bring much more problems than it would solve. In particular, Yaboot is no longer maintained upstream, does not work with modern filesystems and does not allow debian-cd and debian-installer code to be shared with other architectures as can be done with GRUB.

    But first, you should really check your memory modules and upgrade your memory if necessary.

    Adrian

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  • From Ben Westover@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Fri Mar 25 12:50:01 2022
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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Ben Westover on Fri Mar 25 13:10:01 2022
    Hello!

    On 3/25/22 12:48, Ben Westover wrote:
    What is more likely is that you have bad memory modules in your machines and Yaboot
    just happens to use different memory regions which is why it's not affected by the
    problem.

    Hmmm… this computer came from my High School's IT department, so its RAM was upgraded
    by High Schoolers and may very well be bad. I just never thought it was because I never
    ran into issues on OS X or the 2019 snapshot of Debian I got installed with yaboot.

    Bad memory modules can actually result in such weird behavior. We've seen similar reports
    before.


    I would suggest running a memory tester to check your RAM's health or replace all
    modules with known good ones. Also, make sure that the machine has reasonable
    amounts of memory.

    I believe I have 384 MB. What program should I use for this?

    You can either use the last stable installation images for PowerPC:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.11.0/powerpc/iso-cd/

    and then upgrade from Wheezy to unstable but that's not going to be easy.

    Why Wheezy when Jessie is available? Is that image not stable?

    You're right, of course. I was checking in the wrong folder which is why I missed that Jessie was also still released for PowerPC.

    To my excuse, Jessie was release seven years ago ;-).

    Or, you can use one of the older ISO images for PowerPC which were still
    based on Yaboot:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/9.0/powerpc/iso-cd/
    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/10.0/powerpc/iso-cd/
    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ (anything before May 2019 should be Yaboot)

    Yeah, I've already managed to get the April 20 2019 image running. Upgrading to the latest sid is a nightmare though; I'll have to go in small steps utilizing
    snapshot.debian.org if this is the case.

    You can also create a fresh chroot from unstable using debootstrap and that pivot
    the root file systems.


    Reverting the installer system back to Yaboot is not an option for us since >> that would bring much more problems than it would solve. In particular, Yaboot
    is no longer maintained upstream, does not work with modern filesystems and >> does not allow debian-cd and debian-installer code to be shared with other >> architectures as can be done with GRUB.

    Yeah, I've already been made well aware of this. I'm not asking for debian-installer
    to switch back to yaboot, many people are having success with GRUB; I was just asking
    for assistance in creating my own special 2022 yaboot image.

    Creating custom images takes quite some work. An outdated guide can be found here:

    https://wiki.debian.org/PortsDocs/CreateDebianInstallerImages?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryPorts%5Cb%29

    Adrian

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Ben Westover on Sat Mar 26 09:10:01 2022
    Hello Ben!

    On 3/25/22 21:48, Ben Westover wrote:
    A thank you goes out to all the people who have attempted to help me.
    In all the excitement of this endeavor, my G4's motherboard has died.

    I'm not surprised.

    Based on previous discussion, I believe the culprit in its failure to
    load GRUB was the system's memory. Upon closer inspection of the machine during its autopsy, I found that the memory was mixed and matched with all four sticks having different capacities, speeds, and brands.

    That's almost never a good idea.

    Seemingly the only PowerMac in the world that fails to boot GRUB has officially kicked the bucket.

    I think you should be able to resurrect the machine. Either the capacitors
    in the power supply hav gone bad or the ones on the mainboard. In both cases, it should be possible to replace them [1].

    Adrian

    [1] https://lowendmac.com/mail/07/0626.html

    --
    .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
    : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org
    `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de
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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Sam Imberman on Sun Mar 27 22:40:01 2022
    Hello Sam!

    On 3/27/22 22:14, Sam Imberman wrote:
    I am using the image from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/ , which I burnt on a USB stick with "dd if=./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M"

    Please don't use these images, these are broken. Use the latest ones:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-24/

    As for booting from a USB pen drive, I haven't collected enough information
    for that yet, so I cannot give you a definitive guide. There have been reports by some users about successful reports from USB media though.

    Adrian

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  • From Gabriel Paubert@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Walton on Sun Mar 27 22:40:01 2022
    On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 04:17:35PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
    On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 4:15 PM Sam Imberman <simberman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi,
    I'm actually having more or less the same problem with my Powerbook G4 Aluminum.
    I am using the image from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/ , which I burnt on a USB stick with "dd if=./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M"
    When I boot the machine while holding "option", the USB stick is not found.

    I don't know about the G4's, but I know about the G5's. You cannot
    boot a G5 from USB. You have to burn a CD and boot from the CD.

    That's going to be a problem, on both my Pismo and my 17" PB G4 (latest version), the CD drive is dead.

    What's the alternative? I have a firewire 1.8" disk (~5GB capacity)
    somewhere, I just need some time to locate it.

    Cheers,
    Gabriel


    Jeff


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  • From Sam Imberman@21:1/5 to glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de on Sun Mar 27 22:20:01 2022
    Hi,
    I'm actually having more or less the same problem with my Powerbook G4 Aluminum.
    I am using the image from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/ ,
    which I burnt on a USB stick with "dd
    if=./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M"
    When I boot the machine while holding "option", the USB stick is not found.
    If I try to boot from Open Firmware, I try "boot usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img"
    and the error after quite a long pause is "can't OPEN: usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img Can't open device or file"
    Of course I can't rule out the possibility that I'm using Open Firmware
    wrong, after some searches of this list and on the Internet I didn't specifically find a description of the boot line and I'm really not an OF wizard.
    But there appears to be a drive at /usb@1b/disk@1 and usb1 seems to be
    aliased to that usb@1b so I think I did it right.
    Any ideas that I could try next?
    Thanks!
    Sam


    On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 4:04 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz < glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

    Hello Ben!

    On 3/25/22 21:48, Ben Westover wrote:
    A thank you goes out to all the people who have attempted to help me.
    In all the excitement of this endeavor, my G4's motherboard has died.

    I'm not surprised.

    Based on previous discussion, I believe the culprit in its failure to
    load GRUB was the system's memory. Upon closer inspection of the machine during its autopsy, I found that the memory was mixed and matched with
    all
    four sticks having different capacities, speeds, and brands.

    That's almost never a good idea.

    Seemingly the only PowerMac in the world that fails to boot GRUB has officially kicked the bucket.

    I think you should be able to resurrect the machine. Either the capacitors
    in the power supply hav gone bad or the ones on the mainboard. In both
    cases,
    it should be possible to replace them [1].

    Adrian

    [1] https://lowendmac.com/mail/07/0626.html

    --
    .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
    : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org
    `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de
    `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913



    --
    Sam

    <div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div>I&#39;m actually having more or less the same problem with my Powerbook G4 Aluminum.</div><div>I am using the image from <a href="https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/">https://cdimage.
    debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/</a> , which I burnt on a USB stick with &quot;dd if=./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M&quot;</div><div>When I boot the machine while holding &quot;option&quot;, the USB stick is
    not found.<br></div><div>If I try to boot from Open Firmware, I try &quot;boot usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img&quot; and the error after quite a long pause is &quot;can&#39;t OPEN: usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img Can&#39;t open device or file&quot;</div><div>Of course I
    can&#39;t rule out the possibility that I&#39;m using Open Firmware wrong, after some searches of this list and on the Internet I didn&#39;t specifically find a description of the boot line and I&#39;m really not an OF wizard.</div><div>But there appears
    to be a drive at /usb@1b/disk@1 and usb1 seems to be aliased to that usb@1b so I think I did it right.</div><div>Any ideas that I could try next?</div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Sam<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"
    class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 4:04 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz &lt;<a href="mailto:glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de">glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-
    left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Ben!<br>

    On 3/25/22 21:48, Ben Westover wrote:<br>
    &gt; A thank you goes out to all the people who have attempted to help me.<br> &gt; In all the excitement of this endeavor, my G4&#39;s motherboard has died.<br>

    I&#39;m not surprised.<br>

    &gt; Based on previous discussion, I believe the culprit in its failure to<br> &gt; load GRUB was the system&#39;s memory. Upon closer inspection of the machine<br>
    &gt; during its autopsy, I found that the memory was mixed and matched with all<br>
    &gt; four sticks having different capacities, speeds, and brands.<br>

    That&#39;s almost never a good idea.<br>

    &gt; Seemingly the only PowerMac in the world that fails to boot GRUB has<br> &gt; officially kicked the bucket.<br>

    I think you should be able to resurrect the machine. Either the capacitors<br> in the power supply hav gone bad or the ones on the mainboard. In both cases,<br>
    it should be possible to replace them [1].<br>

    Adrian<br>

    &gt; [1] <a href="https://lowendmac.com/mail/07/0626.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lowendmac.com/mail/07/0626.html</a><br>

    -- <br>
     .&#39;&#39;`.  John Paul Adrian Glaubitz<br>
    : :&#39; :  Debian Developer - <a href="mailto:glaubitz@debian.org" target="_blank">glaubitz@debian.org</a><br>
    `. `&#39;   Freie Universitaet Berlin - <a href="mailto:glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de" target="_blank">glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de</a><br>
      `-    GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546  0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913<br>

    </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Sam<br></div></div>

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  • From Jeffrey Walton@21:1/5 to simberman@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 22:20:01 2022
    On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 4:15 PM Sam Imberman <simberman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi,
    I'm actually having more or less the same problem with my Powerbook G4 Aluminum.
    I am using the image from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-18/non-free/ , which I burnt on a USB stick with "dd if=./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M"
    When I boot the machine while holding "option", the USB stick is not found.

    I don't know about the G4's, but I know about the G5's. You cannot
    boot a G5 from USB. You have to burn a CD and boot from the CD.

    Jeff

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  • From Sam Imberman@21:1/5 to kwestover.kw@gmail.com on Mon Mar 28 02:50:01 2022
    Hi,
    Thanks for the help everyone.
    I'm pretty confused now -- I burnt the March 24 image ( https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-24/debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso)
    as Adrian suggested.
    Following Ben's instructions (thanks!!!) I can't seem to mount the USB
    stick, and also I burnt the ISO to a CD-RW (wodim -eject -v dev=/dev/sr0 ./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso) and that isn't working either.
    The disc isn't found in the startup menu, and if I execute `boot cd:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf` in OF I have the error: "DISK-LABEL: read of
    block0 failed ATAPI-DISK: open of DISK-LABEL failed".
    I am led to believe one of two things is possible: 1) OF somehow can't read into the filesystem? 2) I am doing something trivial wrong?
    The disc is read successfully on the Linux machine I burnt it on, but I
    suppose that isn't saying much.
    Thanks
    Sam


    On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:22 PM Ben Westover <kwestover.kw@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello Sam,

    If I try to boot from Open Firmware, I try "boot
    usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img" and the error after quite a long pause is
    "can't OPEN: usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img Can't open device or file"
    Of course I can't rule out the possibility that I'm using Open Firmware wrong, after some searches of this list and on the Internet I didn't specifically find a description of the boot line and I'm really not an
    OF wizard.

    GRUB is located at /boot/grub/powerpc.elf most of the time. The command you're looking for is `boot usb1/disk@1:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf`.
    You can also see what's on it with the command `dir usb1/disk@1:,\`,
    adding directories at the end to go deeper.

    My G4 was unable to even recognize USBs in Open Firmware, but the fact
    that yours showed up is a good sign. That means it should be able to
    boot from the drive provided it can read the filesystem.

    I use variations of these commands on my G3 all the time with success,
    and some others have managed to get them to work on their G4s. The
    NetBSD installation guide for macppc[1] was a wonderful resource about
    all these Open Firmware commands (I believe it was even cited in the
    Debian Wiki as being a massive help).

    [1] https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.2/macppc/INSTALL.html

    Regards,
    --
    Ben Westover



    --
    Sam

    <div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div>Thanks for the help everyone.</div><div>I&#39;m pretty confused now -- I burnt the March 24 image (<a href="https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-24/debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso">https://
    cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-24/debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso</a>) as Adrian suggested.</div><div>Following Ben&#39;s instructions (thanks!!!) I can&#39;t seem to mount the USB stick, and also I burnt the ISO to a CD-RW (wodim
    -eject -v dev=/dev/sr0 ./debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso) and that isn&#39;t working either.</div><div>The disc isn&#39;t found in the startup menu, and if I execute `boot cd:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf` in OF I have the error: &quot;DISK-LABEL: read of
    block0 failed ATAPI-DISK: open of DISK-LABEL failed&quot;.</div><div>I am led to believe one of two things is possible: 1) OF somehow can&#39;t read into the filesystem? 2) I am doing something trivial wrong?</div><div>The disc is read successfully on
    the Linux machine I burnt it on, but I suppose that isn&#39;t saying much.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Sam<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:22 PM Ben Westover &lt;<a
    href="mailto:kwestover.kw@gmail.com">kwestover.kw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Sam,<br>

    &gt; If I try to boot from Open Firmware, I try &quot;boot <br>
    &gt; usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img&quot; and the error after quite a long pause is <br>
    &gt; &quot;can&#39;t OPEN: usb1/disk@1:,\\grub.img Can&#39;t open device or file&quot;<br>
    &gt; Of course I can&#39;t rule out the possibility that I&#39;m using Open Firmware <br>
    &gt; wrong, after some searches of this list and on the Internet I didn&#39;t <br>
    &gt; specifically find a description of the boot line and I&#39;m really not an <br>
    &gt; OF wizard.<br>

    GRUB is located at /boot/grub/powerpc.elf most of the time. The command <br> you&#39;re looking for is `boot usb1/disk@1:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf`.<br>
    You can also see what&#39;s on it with the command `dir usb1/disk@1:,\`, <br> adding directories at the end to go deeper.<br>

    My G4 was unable to even recognize USBs in Open Firmware, but the fact <br> that yours showed up is a good sign. That means it should be able to <br>
    boot from the drive provided it can read the filesystem.<br>

    I use variations of these commands on my G3 all the time with success, <br>
    and some others have managed to get them to work on their G4s. The <br>
    NetBSD installation guide for macppc[1] was a wonderful resource about <br>
    all these Open Firmware commands (I believe it was even cited in the <br> Debian Wiki as being a massive help).<br>

    [1] <a href="https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.2/macppc/INSTALL.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.2/macppc/INSTALL.html</a><br>

    Regards,<br>
    --<br>
    Ben Westover<br>
    </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Sam<br></div></div>

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  • From Johannes Brakensiek@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 09:20:01 2022
    Am Sonntag, dem 27.03.2022 um 16:17 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Walton:
    I don't know about the G4's, but I know about the G5's. You cannot
    boot a G5 from USB. You have to burn a CD and boot from the CD.

    Booting a G5 PowerMac 11,2 from USB works well, I don't know about the
    older ones.

    See this mail on how to: https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2021/01/msg00035.html

    The hacks from the powerprogress forum should not be necessary anymore.

    Johannes

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  • From Sam Imberman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 03:30:01 2022
    Hi,
    I can confirm that I was able to boot from the image from a USB key using
    the line from Ben Westover in the previous message.
    A CD-RW and two USB keys failed to work, it worked on the third USB key --
    who knows why.
    I have some slowness and error messages on boot ("ata1: SRST failed (errno=-16)") which I assume are because my IDE device is a CompactFlash
    card, but it all works fine after a long pause. I will dig into that issue
    at another time.
    Also, I chose all the defaults and the installation booted fine.

    This is a PowerBook G4 Aluminum 12" with a G4, model "PowerBook6,4".

    Thanks everyone!
    Sam

    On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:19 AM Johannes Brakensiek <ml@codingpastor.de>
    wrote:

    Am Sonntag, dem 27.03.2022 um 16:17 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Walton:
    I don't know about the G4's, but I know about the G5's. You cannot
    boot a G5 from USB. You have to burn a CD and boot from the CD.

    Booting a G5 PowerMac 11,2 from USB works well, I don't know about the
    older ones.

    See this mail on how to: https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2021/01/msg00035.html

    The hacks from the powerprogress forum should not be necessary anymore.

    Johannes



    --
    Sam

    <div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div>I can confirm that I was able to boot from the image from a USB key using the line from Ben Westover in the previous message.</div><div>A CD-RW and two USB keys failed to work, it worked on the third USB key -- who knows
    why.</div><div>I have some slowness and error messages on boot (&quot;ata1: SRST failed (errno=-16)&quot;) which I assume are because my IDE device is a CompactFlash card, but it all works fine after a long pause. I will dig into that issue at another
    time.<br></div><div>Also, I chose all the defaults and the installation booted fine.</div><div><br></div><div>This is a PowerBook G4 Aluminum 12&quot; with a G4, model &quot;PowerBook6,4&quot;.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks everyone!</div><div>Sam<
    </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:19 AM Johannes Brakensiek &lt;<a href="mailto:ml@codingpastor.de">ml@codingpastor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="
    margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Am Sonntag, dem 27.03.2022 um 16:17 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Walton:<br>
    &gt; I don&#39;t know about the G4&#39;s, but I know about the G5&#39;s. You cannot<br>
    &gt; boot a G5 from USB. You have to burn a CD and boot from the CD.<br>

    Booting a G5 PowerMac 11,2 from USB works well, I don&#39;t know about the<br> older ones.<br>

    See this mail on how to:<br>
    <a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2021/01/msg00035.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2021/01/msg00035.html</a><br>

    The hacks from the powerprogress forum should not be necessary anymore.<br>

    Johannes<br>

    </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Sam<br></div></div>

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  • From Ben Westover@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 01:10:01 2022
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    Hello,

    I've been able to get the G4 working again. The issue recognizing GRUB
    does not seem to be memory-related, as I tried each stick one at a time
    and was never able to boot to GRUB. This shows that unless they're all
    somehow faulty in the same exact way that manages to not affect normal operation, memory is not the issue.

    In other news, my G3 memory upgrade arrived yesterday, and the system
    was able to boot perfectly into the latest Debian and worked well.
    I will be using this machine to attempt to port Arch Linux to PowerPC.

    Does anybody have any more ideas to diagnose my G4's complete inability
    to recognize or boot GRUB?

    Thanks,
    --
    Ben Westover

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