I just tried installing the latest version of Debian Ports on my iMac G3 and well it fails to install GRUB. Falling back to April’s installation media (which I have on hand) that doesn’t have this problem that has seemingly cropped up again with the
latest batch of images.

Tried a workaround that involved manually installing yaboot and well that didn’t work.

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Hello!

On 9/19/21 00:24, Alex McKeever wrote:

I just tried installing the latest version of Debian Ports on my iMac G3
and well it fails to install GRUB. Falling back to April’s installation media (which I have on hand) that doesn’t have this problem that has seemingly
cropped up again with the latest batch of images.

Yes, that image doesn't work. The previous image does work, however.

The reason why the current image doesn't work is because it does not contain a manually build debian-installer package which is currently necessary because the hfsprogs-udeb [1] package has not been accepted into unstable yet.

So, please use the powerpc and ppc64 images from [2].

Adrian

[1] https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/hfsprogs_540.1.linux3-5.html
[2] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-04-17/

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On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 6:54 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

On 9/19/21 00:24, Alex McKeever wrote:

I just tried installing the latest version of Debian Ports on my iMac G3 and well it fails to install GRUB. Falling back to April’s installation media (which I have on hand) that doesn’t have this problem that has seemingly
cropped up again with the latest batch of images.

Yes, that image doesn't work. The previous image does work, however.

The reason why the current image doesn't work is because it does not contain a
manually build debian-installer package which is currently necessary because the hfsprogs-udeb [1] package has not been accepted into unstable yet.

So, please use the powerpc and ppc64 images from [2].

[1] https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/hfsprogs_540.1.linux3-5.html
[2] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-04-17/

Have you considered running a repo with the fixes that Debian does not
pick up or provide in a timely manner?

There's little sense waiting for Debian since Debian is the barrier in
the process. If Debian did not want to be a barrier, then they would
have done something by now. It probably won't change anytime soon.

A repo run by you to work around Debian's issues seems like a perfect
fix. You are active in the development and you are aware of the open
issues that need to be worked around.

A repo run by you would probably reduce mailing list messages since
things would start to "just work", which is what most users want.

Adding a repo to sources.list or apt.conf.d is really easy. Once a
user is aware they need to do it, there should be no more problems due
to packages and availability.

Jeff

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On 9/19/21 03:11, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Have you considered running a repo with the fixes that Debian does not
pick up or provide in a timely manner?

We already do that and we have been doing this for a long time.

There's little sense waiting for Debian since Debian is the barrier in
the process. If Debian did not want to be a barrier, then they would
have done something by now. It probably won't change anytime soon.

I'm fully aware of that. Thanks for explaining me Debian to me.

Adding a repo to sources.list or apt.conf.d is really easy. Once a
user is aware they need to do it, there should be no more problems due
to packages and availability.

This discussion is concerned about udeb packages for debian-installer. You
can add these packages through a repository to your system.

Adrian

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Good idea.


Le 19/09/2021 à 03:11, Jeffrey Walton a écrit :

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 6:54 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

On 9/19/21 00:24, Alex McKeever wrote:

I just tried installing the latest version of Debian Ports on my iMac G3 >>> and well it fails to install GRUB. Falling back to April’s installation >>> media (which I have on hand) that doesn’t have this problem that has seemingly
cropped up again with the latest batch of images.

Yes, that image doesn't work. The previous image does work, however.

The reason why the current image doesn't work is because it does not contain a
manually build debian-installer package which is currently necessary because >> the hfsprogs-udeb [1] package has not been accepted into unstable yet.

So, please use the powerpc and ppc64 images from [2].

[1] https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/hfsprogs_540.1.linux3-5.html
[2] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-04-17/

Have you considered running a repo with the fixes that Debian does not
pick up or provide in a timely manner?

There's little sense waiting for Debian since Debian is the barrier in
the process. If Debian did not want to be a barrier, then they would
have done something by now. It probably won't change anytime soon.

A repo run by you to work around Debian's issues seems like a perfect
fix. You are active in the development and you are aware of the open
issues that need to be worked around.

A repo run by you would probably reduce mailing list messages since
things would start to "just work", which is what most users want.

Adding a repo to sources.list or apt.conf.d is really easy. Once a
user is aware they need to do it, there should be no more problems due
to packages and availability.

Jeff

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On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 3:45 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

On 9/19/21 03:11, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Have you considered running a repo with the fixes that Debian does not
pick up or provide in a timely manner?

We already do that and we have been doing this for a long time.
...

Adding a repo to sources.list or apt.conf.d is really easy. Once a
user is aware they need to do it, there should be no more problems due
to packages and availability.

This discussion is concerned about udeb packages for debian-installer. You can add these packages through a repository to your system.

Oh, my bad. I was not aware this was the current state of affairs.

It is not documented at https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ppc64el/, https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac, etc.

Maybe it would be a good idea to clearly state it somewhere. A
prescriptive recipe would be most helpful. A prescriptive recipe
provides the exact steps someone should perform.

Jeff

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