Hi!

I think most parts are ready now upstream, for Debian AFAIUI the
missing piece is a newer glibc currently sitting in experimental.

If you want to get this added, it would be nice to do so before the
Debian release freeze, or you'll not be able to later add some of the
support to other packages or infrastructure in Debian if the version
of dpkg in Debian stable does not support it too. (I mean we can
always add it in a stable update, but I'd rather avoid it.)

For dpkg the usual procedure to add it is described here: <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#Q._Can_we_add_support_for_new_dpkg_architectures.3F>

So we'd need to make clear what ABI this is going to describe, etc.
And then agree on the arch name. My main concern as I've pointed out
elsewhere at least in [D] and [L] is the "arch" part in the name,
similar to other distributions such as Gentoo (AFAIR). Depending on
whether you'd want also an 32-bit arch, we might want to suffix with
64, etc.

[D] https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/pull/6
[L] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989125#15

Thanks,
Guillem

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Hi!

On Tue, 2022-11-01 at 19:45:11 +0800, 桑猛 wrote:

We hope that the arch name can use loongarch64, mainly based on the following considerations:
1. The current upstream compilers gcc, llvm, etc. use loongarch64.

That's part of the GNU triplet name, which is related but has never
needed to match the dpkg architecture.

2. The current upstream kernel uses loongarch64.

Same here.

3. At present, there is no special convention for the length of the

architecture name. If loong64 is used, it is easier to be confused
with the previously used loongarch64.

Well, length might be one aspect of this, as it ends up in filenames,
and metadata, etc, but the «arch» part is just redundant and wasteful
and gives no meaningful information. We had a similar situation with
aarch64 which was a terrible name, which we named as arm64 for the
dpkg architecture.

The following code in https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dpkg-architecture.1.html:

DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE)
DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)
[…]
ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE), $(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE))
confflags += --build=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)
else
confflags += --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) \
--host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)
endif
[…]
./configure $(confflags)

If you use loong64, it will be contrary to the loongarch64 logo used by
gcc, so we still want to use loongarch64 as the arch name。

This is not a very compelling argument TBH, many dpkg architectures,
more so the ones most used, have GNU triplet CPU names not matching at
all the dpkg architecture: aarch64 → arm64, x86_64 → amd64. We also
have stuff like powerpc64le → ppc64el (which changes both CPU name and endianness annotation).

Given that any such architecture will have to be bootstrapped from
zero for Debian, reusing an existing name is also not a very
compelling argument. If in addition, as Zhang Ning mentions, those
pre-existing architectures are also not even binary compatible, then
that's even a stronger argument against even considering reusing it at
all.

In any case, the loong64 name has already been used by other
distributions (Gentoo, ArchLinux, Slackware, etc.), so this is really
not unusual.

Thanks,
Guillem

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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 18:27:17 +0800, Zhang Ning wrote:

On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 11:04:21AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:

In any case, the loong64 name has already been used by other
distributions (Gentoo, ArchLinux, Slackware, etc.), so this is really
not unusual.

I was misleaded by Gentoo Loongarch maintainer, he told me it is
loong64, but actually, it's loong.
Archlinux and Slackware are downstream ports, not upstreamed yet.

My question is, is it necessary to use same name for all distos?

Not at all, to me those names are more a testament that other distros
have rejected the loongarch name. There's never been a requirement to
use the same name as either the GNU triplet or the names used in other distributions.

The currently documented preference is to append the bitness to the
arch name, which is something that tends to affect users, and I think
it's better to have it be explicit. This is something we have done
recently with newer ports (such as riscv64).

See <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#new-arch>.

When Loongson releases 32bit loongarch, then loong32 can be its dpkg name,
if we select loong for 64bit. first come takes the shorter one.

I think loong64 (and potentially loong32) would be both fine.

For the endianness, which tends to be more esoteric, it makes sense to
obviate it by default for the predominant or only endianness available.

Thanks,
Guillem

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)